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sonycowboy
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(01-31-2005, 09:04 PM)
THQ Inc and Nintendo enter confidential licensing agreement for DS handheld #1

3:54PM

(THQI) 22.41 -0.15: Co states in today's 8-K that: "On January 25 Nintendo of America and THQI ("Registrant") entered into a Confidential License Agreement for the Nintendo DS handheld platform. The agreement grants the Registrant the right to use certain of Nintendo's intellectual property to develop, publish and distribute video games for the Nintendo DS handheld platform until Jan 25, 2008 in all countries in the Western Hemisphere in accordance with the terms of the agreement. Nintendo charges the Registrant certain amounts under its current pricing schedule, which prices includes including manufacturing as well as a royalty for the use of Nintendo's intellectual property. Nintendo has the right to approve each game..."
explodet
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(01-31-2005, 09:06 PM)
 
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So in a nutshell, THQ will be making DS games using Nintendo characters and settings?
Whoa.
TekunoRobby
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(01-31-2005, 09:06 PM)
 
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#3

Seems like THQ is going to do quite a few Nintendo games a-la NST.

Damn, three years is a nice solid deal.
DMczaf
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(01-31-2005, 09:07 PM)
 
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#4

Noooooooooooooooo!

cybamerc
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(01-31-2005, 09:07 PM)
#5

Ack... what the hell is Nintendo thinking? THQ is crap - always has been, always will be. You'd think Nintendo would've learned by now to not license out it's characters.
lexi
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(01-31-2005, 09:07 PM)
 
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#6

I predict a time when all games on Nintendo systems will feature Nintendo IP.
Bob White
(01-31-2005, 09:07 PM)
 
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#7

THQ sucks.
sonycowboy
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(01-31-2005, 09:08 PM)
#8

Originally Posted by explodet:
So in a nutshell, THQ will be making DS games using Nintendo characters and settings?
Whoa.

Basically, this is what Nintendo is doing with alot of publishers. EA, Namco, & Konami come to mind. What's funny is that the publishers ARE PAYING Nintendo for the right to do this. Nintendo truly is brilliant. They found yet another revenue stream for their IP.
Speevy
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(01-31-2005, 09:08 PM)
 
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#9

Big deal. I'm sick of Mario appearing in everybody's game other than Nintendo's own.
GDJustin
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(01-31-2005, 09:08 PM)
#10

I don't have a problem with this THQ's been a really god handheld publisher for a while now. A lot of licensed crap, but they've published a lot of good stuff from Sega and others, too.
jarrod
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(01-31-2005, 09:09 PM)
#11

Originally Posted by lockii:
I predict a time when all games on Nintendo systems will feature Nintendo IP.
You mean 1985?
CloudNL
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(01-31-2005, 09:09 PM)
#12

What is Nintendo thinking!?
Damn, I have enough of all those "Let's use Mario again!" type of games. Is Nintendo out of ideas?
sonycowboy
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(01-31-2005, 09:09 PM)
#13

Originally Posted by Speevy:
Big deal. I'm sick of Mario appearing in everybody's game other than Nintendo's own.

They should just build their IP's into the firmware and save developers the time
FoneBone
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(01-31-2005, 09:09 PM)
 
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#14

:-(
explodet
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(01-31-2005, 09:10 PM)
 
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#15

Originally Posted by sonycowboy:
Basically, this is what Nintendo is doing with alot of publishers. EA, Namco, & Konami come to mind.
Ah, I see - it's more a Soul Calibur 2/NBA Street kinda thing than full-blown games.
kaching
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(01-31-2005, 09:10 PM)
 
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#16

Now all they have to do is let these 3rd party pubs spend a little more for the license so they can use the Nintendo IP on other platforms and we'll have a scenario just as good as Nintendo going 3rd party ;)
TekunoRobby
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(01-31-2005, 09:10 PM)
 
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#17

Comeone, hold out some hope for THQ. They might be forced to make higher quality products since they are carrying Nintendo's bread and butter in their games. I know the possibility of them creating even worse games exists (considering the very strong property), but I doubt that'll be the case.
Wario64
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(01-31-2005, 09:10 PM)
 
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#18

Nintendo is getting closer to becoming a 3rd party. Soon they will sell their assets

It's already starting with NBA Street V3!
Bob White
(01-31-2005, 09:11 PM)
 
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Quote:
Damn, I have enough of all those "Let's use Mario again!" type of games. Is Nintendo out of ideas?

No, they are innovating the industry with mario's blood.
lexi
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(01-31-2005, 09:11 PM)
 
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#20

This could be cool if it wasn't just Mario. Nintendo have a bevy of franchises that could do with some whoring!
TekunoRobby
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(01-31-2005, 09:12 PM)
 
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#21

Originally Posted by lockii:
This could be cool if it wasn't just Mario. Nintendo have a bevy of franchises that could do with some whoring!
Damn straight, where the hell is my Pikmin DS. THQ could whore that one out, I wouldn't mind. :)
FoneBone
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(01-31-2005, 09:12 PM)
 
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#22

Originally Posted by lockii:
This could be cool if it wasn't just Mario. Nintendo have a bevy of franchises that could do with some whoring!
...Except that I wouldn't trust THQ with any of them.
sonycowboy
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(01-31-2005, 09:12 PM)
#23

Originally Posted by lockii:
This could be cool if it wasn't just Mario. Nintendo have a bevy of franchises that could do with some whoring!

The PR says nothing about Mario specifically. It could be whatever Nintendo & THQ agree upon.

And again, it's not THQ making Mario games, it's licensing the IP to use in THQ games, just as was done with Soul Calibur, NBA Street V3, Fight Night, DDR, etc.
nubbe
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(01-31-2005, 09:13 PM)
 
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#24

I think we all heard Reggie wrong on E3...
He actually said "Kissing ass and giving names" :p
Ristamar
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(01-31-2005, 09:13 PM)
#25

Didn't THQ publish the wrestling games on the N64?
Ninja Scooter
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(01-31-2005, 09:13 PM)
 
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#26

WWE Smackdown featuring Kin Corn Karn and King Slender!

ManaByte
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(01-31-2005, 09:14 PM)
 
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#27

Anyone else dread a Spongebob Squarepants cart racer with Nintendo characters as guest-stars?
explodet
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(01-31-2005, 09:14 PM)
 
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#28

So who'd win in a fist fight - Kirby or Spongebob?

Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter:
WWE Smackdown featuring Kin Corn Karn and King Slender!
Starman > you
Sync M
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(01-31-2005, 09:15 PM)
#29

Does THQ still have an active agreement with Microsoft Game Studios? I could see some RARE/Nintendo games come out of this.
Link316
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(01-31-2005, 09:15 PM)
 
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#30

Originally Posted by sonycowboy:
Basically, this is what Nintendo is doing with alot of publishers. EA, Namco, & Konami come to mind. What's funny is that the publishers ARE PAYING Nintendo for the right to do this. Nintendo truly is brilliant. They found yet another revenue stream for their IP.

its also kinda sad at the same time cause this seems like the only way to get the Nintendo fanbase to try 3rd party games
jarrod
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(01-31-2005, 09:17 PM)
#31

Originally Posted by GDJustin:
A lot of licensed crap, but they've published a lot of good stuff from Sega and others, too.
Uh, take a look at what games came about (from THQ management) thanks to the Sega deal...

-Altered Beast: Guardians of the Realm (3D6 Games)
-Crazy Taxi: Catch a Ride (Graphic State Games)
-Jet Grind Radio (Vicarious Visions)
-Phantasy Star Collection (Digital Eclipse)
-Revenge of Shinobi (3D6 Games)
-Sega Arcade Gallery (Bits Studios)
-Space Channel 5: Ulala's Cosmic Attack (Art Company)
-Super Monkey Ball Jr (Realism)
-Virtua Tennis (Altron)

...I'm not getting my hopes up. At least 3D6 Games died so THQ can't contract out any software abortions there. :/
Shiggy
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(01-31-2005, 09:18 PM)
 
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#32

Originally Posted by Sync M:
Does THQ still have an active agreement with Microsoft Game Studios? I could see some RARE/Nintendo games come out of this.

No, they only had an agreement for those 4 GBA games, I don't think THQ will make another agreement with them, they weren't allowed to advertise (they didn't do that) the games and the sales were really bad...
lexi
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(01-31-2005, 09:18 PM)
 
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#33

Wait wait, 3rd parties are paying for the right to use Nintendo IPs? Are they really that valuable? Konami releases hardly anything for Gamecube yet they jump at the chance to pay royalties to make a Mario game? I must be missing something.
koam
(01-31-2005, 09:19 PM)
 
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#34

Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter:
WWE Smackdown featuring Kin Corn Karn and King Slender!


My thoughts exactly.. BRING BACK STARMAN
Bob White
(01-31-2005, 09:20 PM)
 
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#35

Quote:
its also kinda sad at the same time cause this seems like the only way to get the Nintendo fanbase to try 3rd party games

That's a huge problem people dont seem to see for some reason. More people buying non nintendo games is cool, but if seeing mario in every game is what nintendo gamers want, nintendo as a company is screwed. Maybe it's for the best though. Shit, nintendo is making money so i guess it's all good.

I hope all of this whoring ends up with mario in a guilty gear. Now, that would be badass.
jarrod
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(01-31-2005, 09:20 PM)
#36

Originally Posted by Link316:
its also kinda sad at the same time cause this seems like the only way to get the Nintendo fanbase to try 3rd party games
Er, this hasn't really been a problem on Nintendo handhelds. The fanbase just needs worthwhile 3rd party efforts and they buy them, same as with NES or SNES. Look at the huge sales of Rockman.EXE, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Yu-Gi-OH!, Sonic, Namco Museum, etc on GBA.
M3wThr33
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(01-31-2005, 09:20 PM)
#37

Granted, it IS Nintendo whoring themselves out, but what's the end result?
More unique settings for characters that Nintendo doesn't have time for. They're busy working on Mario 128, the new Zelda, King of Swing, countless hidden magical DS titles and other games. It's hard to believe people are complaining about more Nintendo characters being out there.
Look at this way, once Nintendo has their characters in a game, they have a vested interested in it, meaning they have more control over the quality. By tying their characters in, they can have more influence and ensure the game turns out better than it would with THQ doing it on their own. Nintendo has no issue with Little Mac in Fight Night Round 2, provided the game doesn't suck. They want to protect their IP so they can continue doing this.

End result: More Mario and THQ releases higher quality titles.
sonycowboy
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(01-31-2005, 09:21 PM)
#38

Originally Posted by jarrod:
Uh, take a look at what games came about (from THQ management) thanks to the Sega deal...

-Altered Beast: Guardians of the Realm (3D6 Games)
-Crazy Taxi: Catch a Ride (Graphic State Games)
-Jet Grind Radio (Vicarious Visions)
-Phantasy Star Collection (Digital Eclipse)
-Revenge of Shinobi (3D6 Games)
-Sega Arcade Gallery (Bits Studios)
-Space Channel 5: Ulala's Cosmic Attack (Art Company)
-Super Monkey Ball Jr (Realism)
-Virtua Tennis (Altron)

...I'm not getting my hopes up. At least 3D6 Games died so THQ can't contract out any software abortions there. :/


Again,

This isn't a co-publishing deal like that. Nintendo will still publish and develop their own games.
Chittagong
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(01-31-2005, 09:29 PM)
 
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#39

Platform licencing agreements are confidential, obviously. With them Nintendo gives the pub/dev access to device-specific IP - and this can or cannot include other types of IP than Princess Daisy. Additionally Nintendo has the right to approve (certification) and manufacture the goods while THQ pays the platform fee.

Sorry to ruin the bitching party, but that sounds like a pretty normal licence agreement for creating content on a closed platform. Reading the quote, I don't see much evidence on THQ creating their usual crapfests but with Nintendo characters.

THQ probably did the launch games with a special agreement to see if the platform flies, and now formalizes for long term.
Kulock
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(01-31-2005, 09:30 PM)
 
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Ugh... why do all these companies keep making deals with THQ when all THQ produces is crap? The only things they've ever gotten props for are usually engines plundered from someone else (such as Yuke's grappling engines encased in a WWE shell). I hate THQ's productions and I wish other companies would stop dealing with them. And now Nintendo is trusting them not to run their IPs into the ground with terrible games? A foolish move.
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(01-31-2005, 09:30 PM)
 
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#41

If you think EA paid Nintendo a dime for use of its franchise characters, I think you'd be mistaken.

This could come back to bite Nintendo in the ass because it could dillute and lower the brand value of it's franchises (especially Mario) if the games that are released are turds. Hopefully Nintendo keeps tight control and turns back the crap, but the more they outsource, the harder that becomes.
radioheadrule83
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(01-31-2005, 09:31 PM)
 
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#42

Key words in this announcement:

Certain. Certain Nintendo IP can be used.
Develop, Publish and Distribute. As insanely good for THQ as it would be, if it meant they could publish Nintendo-made games like they do with SEGA, THQ would do very well out of this.As for designing, publishing and distributing their own - well thats even better for them.
Nintendo has the right to approve each game. There is bound to be one or two turds that slop out of this deal that simply can't be polished, but these words oughta ensure some quality control.

I think it's a great outgoing move. It frees Nintendo teams up, suckers up to THQ and gives them a helping hand, and there'll be more games on this particular Nintendo platform because of this deal.

If it's shit, you don't buy it.

In fact, I'm starting to wonder what could possibly be bad about this deal.
jarrod
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(01-31-2005, 09:35 PM)
#43

Originally Posted by sonycowboy:
Again,

This isn't a co-publishing deal like that. Nintendo will still publish and develop their own games.
Ah, well then nevermind. Crisis averted. :)
Chittagong
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(01-31-2005, 09:37 PM)
 
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#44

Originally Posted by radioheadrule83:
Key words in this announcement:

Certain. Certain Nintendo IP can be used.
Develop, Publish and Distribute. As insanely good for THQ as it would be, if it meant they could publish Nintendo-made games like they do with SEGA, THQ would do very well out of this.As for designing, publishing and distributing their own - well thats even better for them.
Nintendo has the right to approve each game. There is bound to be one or two turds that slop out of this deal that simply can't be polished, but these words oughta ensure some quality control.

I think it's a great outgoing move. It frees Nintendo teams up, suckers up to THQ and gives them a helping hand, and there'll be more games on this particular Nintendo platform because of this deal.

If it's shit, you don't buy it.

In fact, I'm starting to wonder what could possibly be bad about this deal.

Certain - includes also copy protection, APIs etc and stuff that normally falls under platform licence agreement. IP is more than character or brand.

Develop, publish, distribute - like with all third party content on Nintendo platforms. For example, EA develops, publishes and distributes Sims Bustin Out.

Nintendo has the right to approve each game - it's been this way since the eighties. Platform owners always retain the right to approve each game to ensure that it follows standard game requirements and will not give their platform a bad name. Some times more successful, sometimes less.

BELIEVE ME, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A PERFECTLY NORMAL THIRD-PARTY AGREEMENT WITH NINTENDO.
Rocket Punch
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(01-31-2005, 09:38 PM)
 
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#45

You're all acting as if Nintendo is gonna let just any game featuring Mario be relased. If they are good games I will be interested. If they arent's I won't. It's as simple as that. Like radioheadrule mentioned this will hopefully free up the folks at EAD for new games.

In case you haven't noticed, Nintendo has been doing this all this generation with a number of titles. They know there is a market for said games but at the same time they don't want to be burdened with developing sequel after sequel so they do the next best thing, which is put said IPs and game concepts and ideas in capable hands and give them free reign to handle the characters and games within Nintendo's quality controls. Exaclty what is wrong with this?

Last edited by Rocket Punch : 01-31-2005 at 09:48 PM.
nubbe
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(01-31-2005, 09:40 PM)
 
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#46

It's hard too think how third parties would dismiss to pay cash to use Nintendo's characters when you see how well Soul Calibur did on Gamecube thanks to Link.
Their IP value seems to be vastly underestimated here… and yet everyone wants Nintendo to make games for competing platforms.
Shiggy
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(01-31-2005, 09:40 PM)
 
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#47

I heard they'll release a beat'em'up called Pikmin vs. Spongebob
Borys
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(01-31-2005, 09:42 PM)
 
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#48

:(

Quick! Somebody post the "Will whore mascots for money - Reginald Fils-Aime" pic!
Chittagong
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(01-31-2005, 09:45 PM)
 
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#49



I never learn.
Kobun Heat
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(01-31-2005, 09:51 PM)
 
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#50

Chittagong, forget it. GAF learned the words "intellectual property" just last year and now they think they're lawyers.
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