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Well, started my new office job this week, and I've already been the target of criticism and ridicule from my manager and a few of my co-workers.

Apparently, they take DDF (Dress Down Friday) very seriously, and so when I elected to come to work today in a business outfit (in an attempt to look good to the top brass), my work area was under assault by angered co-workers urging me to dress down on Fridays from now on, or else -- according to them -- the department heads might take notice and dismiss the dumb ritual altogether.

Then my manager stumbles into my spot, concerned that I wasn't being a "team player."

I like wearing a nice shirt, tie, and dress shoes. It's called looking like a professional, and not like some slack-jawed mongrel.

I'm wondering, however: Am I jeopardizing myself and my job security by not playing along?
dallow_bg
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(10-31-2008, 05:10 PM)
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Just do it.
Arde5643
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(10-31-2008, 05:10 PM)
Holy shit, wow - that is pretty stupid.

I guess it's very different from where I work in LA. Everyone pretty much just dress as they want to (within limits of course).

If I have to hazard a guess, the place probably just started experimenting with casual dress to improve employee morale.
HamPster PamPster
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(10-31-2008, 05:11 PM)
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I hate people like you

I also hate people like your coworkers

In fact, I might just hate everyone
JCtheMC
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(10-31-2008, 05:11 PM)
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Sounds like a great place to work.
Anton Sugar
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Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

DDF (Dress Down Friday)

I like wearing a nice shirt, tie, and dress shoes. It's called looking like a professional, and not like some slack-jawed mongrel.

Didn't you get the memo?

You sound kind of elitist here.
Borgnine
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(10-31-2008, 05:13 PM)
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Write a company wide email expressing your dissatisfaction. Make sure you click the high importance exclamation icon so they know you're not fucking around.
bill0527
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(10-31-2008, 05:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

Well, started my new office job this week, and I've already been the target of criticism and ridicule from my manager and a few of my co-workers.

Apparently, they take DDF (Dress Down Friday) very seriously, and so when I elected to come to work today in a business outfit (in an attempt to look good to the top brass), my work area was under assault by angered co-workers urging me to dress down on Fridays from now on, or else -- according to them -- the department heads might take notice and dismiss the dumb ritual altogether.

Then my manager stumbles into my spot, concerned that I wasn't being a "team player."

I like wearing a nice shirt, tie, and dress shoes. It's called looking like a professional, and not like some slack-jawed mongrel.

I'm wondering, however: Am I jeopardizing myself and my job security by not playing along?

They aren't going to fire you for an action like this.

However, knowing beautiful corporate America like I do, they will find other ways to get you. If you really want that job, you better never show up even 2 minutes late for work. They'll start to find little things that you're doing wrong and write you up for it. Little things that get overlooked when your co-workers do the same thing. After enough time goes by, if you haven't given them enough ammunition to straight-up fire you, they will start to make your life hell by doubling your work, isolate you from everyone else and office events, and make your life a general living hell until you get to the point you want to quit.

If you get branded as not being a team player right off the bat, its very hard to shake that image. Typically, when people make their minds up about you, its impossible to change that image no matter how hard you try.
so_awes
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(10-31-2008, 05:14 PM)
do not fold! if you fold then they will step on you forever.

if one of them keep bothering you about it, tell that person you slept with his/her mom.
Zoltrix
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(10-31-2008, 05:14 PM)
I'd continue with the suit just to spite them.
Ganhyun
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(10-31-2008, 05:15 PM)
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Yes, as a previous poster said, this was probably a ritual enacted for employee morale.

So you coming in all dressed up does a few things:

1. makes them look bad compared to you.
2. Makes you look like a loner/all about me guy
3. Makes top brass possibly reconsider the custom.

But honestly man, do the DDf thing. Otherwise, if it gets canceled, you'll get the blame and likely have bad things start happening to you or your stuff.

Edit: Like Bill0527 said. They will do things like that.
ShOcKwAvE
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(10-31-2008, 05:15 PM)
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My client (see avatar) has DDF.
btkadams
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(10-31-2008, 05:16 PM)
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just dress down a bit? dont wear suit or tie. wear dockers and a dress shirt.
Amon37
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(10-31-2008, 05:16 PM)

Originally Posted by NintendosBooger


I like wearing a nice shirt, tie, and dress shoes. It's called looking like a professional, and not like some slack-jawed mongrel.

Hello high and mighty.

I like dressing nice too, but on Friday it is nice to wear some jeans and more comfortable shoes.

Quit being a douchebag, I can see why your co-workers and manager already hate you.

Originally Posted by Mr. Snrub

Didn't you get the memo?

You sound kind of elitist here.

I sound like an elitist because I choose not to observe a new, stupid tradition that presidents and CEOs grudgingly put into place? What competent company boss doesn't want his/her employee to come to work dressed professionally, if not openly at least secretly?
Ferrio
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(10-31-2008, 05:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

I'm wondering, however: Am I jeopardizing myself and my job security by not playing along?

Don't rock the boat. Wait till you've worked there awhile first. Office politics are a BITCH, and you starting shit right from the start is no good.

I sound like an elitist because I choose not to observe a new, stupid tradition that presidents and CEOs grudgingly put into place? What competent company boss doesn't want his/her employee to come to work dressed professionally, if not openly at least secretly?

YES HOLY SHIT. I'm already hating you too. You just got hired dude and you're wanting to already step on people to look better.
dallow_bg
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(10-31-2008, 05:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by btkadams

just dress down a bit? dont wear suit or tie. wear dockers and a dress shirt.

But that would make you look like a slack-jawed mongrel.
Davidion
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(10-31-2008, 05:18 PM)
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Where do you work? Sounds like the place is packed with assholes.

The idea that just because you're given the option to dress down mean you should have to is functionally retarded.

That having been said, it might pay to play along for the time being.
Az
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(10-31-2008, 05:19 PM)
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They are overreacting a bit, since you are a new guy.

And you should dress down since its an accepted thing at your workplace. You refusing to dress down its going to make you look like you think you are more important than your
co-workers. You being all dressed up doesn't mean that you perform better.

I actually prefer DDF, I am more relaxed at work and have more fun doing my stuff.
bill0527
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(10-31-2008, 05:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

I sound like an elitist because I choose not to observe a new, stupid tradition that presidents and CEOs grudgingly put into place? What competent company boss doesn't want his/her employee to come to work dressed professionally, if not openly at least secretly?

What the company boss wants is a bunch of lemmings who will make him look good.

Not a bunch of lemmings and an outsider who doesn't want to play along with the rest of the lemmings and makes everyone disgruntled.

Is this your first office job?
Ganhyun
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(10-31-2008, 05:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

I sound like an elitist because I choose not to observe a new, stupid tradition that presidents and CEOs grudgingly put into place? What competent company boss doesn't want his/her employee to come to work dressed professionally, if not openly at least secretly?


While many probably do not want things like Casual or Dress Down Friday in place, most competent upper management realize that things like this do help employee morale. Not sure how big a place you work at, but imagine if this gets canceled, and you get branded the reason why. Your life will be hell for every day you work there from that point forward. Possibly after depnding on how vindictave some of your co-workers are.
bgassassin
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(10-31-2008, 05:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

Apparently, they take DDF (Dress Down Friday) very seriously, and so when I elected to come to work today in a business outfit (in an attempt to look good to the top brass),

There's your problem. Stick out based on your work ethic.

Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

I'm wondering, however: Am I jeopardizing myself and my job security by not playing along?

Yes. You are giving people a reason to complain about anything else you do no matter how minuscule.

Dallow, because of your username I must kill you now. :D
fallengorn
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(10-31-2008, 05:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Borgnine

Write a company wide email expressing your dissatisfaction. Make sure you click the high importance exclamation icon so they know you're not fucking around.

Don't forget to request read receipts to the message.
Ghost
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(10-31-2008, 05:21 PM)
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you knew it was dress down Friday so you dressed up?


Yeah, I hate you too.
Cereal
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(10-31-2008, 05:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

I sound like an elitist because I choose not to observe a new, stupid tradition that presidents and CEOs grudgingly put into place? What competent company boss doesn't want his/her employee to come to work dressed professionally, if not openly at least secretly?

Do you want to be happy at work? Because you're not going to be happy if everyone around you thinks you're a dick and shuns you. Unless you have a super isolated role, not being a team player is going to bite you in the ass quick.

Plus, DDF's are awesome. There's nothing unprofessional about them. It's called business casual. Think what you'd wear to play golf with a client/boss and go with that.
Xdrive05
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(10-31-2008, 05:21 PM)
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Really, man, it's not all that hard to have to make yourself look like us lowly mortals once a fucking week...

God I hate you. And I hate your mom for making a punk ass instead of a team player. And your dad's dead so who cares about him.

Seriously though, just do what they say and roll with it. :-) Because now you're gonna have to go the extra mile and win them all back over. Also, think of this as an opportunity to score on future job interviews. "So tell me about one time you fucked up..." "Well. At my last job I was just too professional for the rest to keep up!"
Ether_Snake
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(10-31-2008, 05:21 PM)
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Sounds like the kind of place that is run by under-performing employees and managers who all hold hands to pretend everything is going fine and shrug all problems under the carpet until the company's CEO trips on it, and then they'll fire you because you're the only one who's actually doing a good job and not just pretending, which would be a threat to them.
Sol..
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(10-31-2008, 05:22 PM)
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While this shit is silly, and almost exactly the reason why i can't imagine doing a office job. They are right, going against the grain on something so small makes you look like a emo jackass and on top of that it may actually jeopardize the day...which i'd imagine is comforting to alot of your coworkers.

So at the end of the day....you end up looking like the guy someone will probably attempt to stomp out with flip flops on in the parking lot after work.
BlackMage
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(10-31-2008, 05:22 PM)

Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

I sound like an elitist because I choose not to observe a new, stupid tradition that presidents and CEOs grudgingly put into place? What competent company boss doesn't want his/her employee to come to work dressed professionally, if not openly at least secretly?

I hope you get fired.
jooey
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(10-31-2008, 05:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

What competent company boss doesn't want his/her employee to come to work dressed professionally, if not openly at least secretly?

I take it your new office job is also your first?
fatigues_gasolini
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(10-31-2008, 05:23 PM)
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I see you going far at this job. </sarcasm>

Just do it dude. Top brass probably dont give two shits about what you look like. You are now on everybody's radar, and they will make your life a living hell.
Stinkles
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(10-31-2008, 05:24 PM)
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:lol

I smell a huge weirdo.
Sol..
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(10-31-2008, 05:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by BlackMage

I hope you get fired and then picked out by nintendo and flung into a wet napkin stuck to a used condom.

fixed
Diablos
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(10-31-2008, 05:25 PM)
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What the hell? Why would someone get mad at you for wearing a professional outfit on dress-down day? Of all the things to get upset at an employee about... :lol
ToxicAdam
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(10-31-2008, 05:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

my work area was under assault by angered co-workers


Haha. You're a drama queen.


If you want to impress higher ups, you do it by stealth tactics and behind the scenes subversion. Not partaking in DDF is just a clumsy, highly visible attempt by yourself and your co-workers are calling you out on it.
btkadams
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(10-31-2008, 05:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by dallow_bg

But that would make you look like a slack-jawed mongrel.

maybe the OP needs to get nicer casual clothes? retire your free science centre t-shirt and walmart jeans. not that any of those are bad but an elitist might feel himself a slack-jawed mongrel wearing them.
Feral Youth
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(10-31-2008, 05:26 PM)

Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

Well, started my new office job this week, and I've already been the target of criticism and ridicule from my manager and a few of my co-workers.

Apparently, they take DDF (Dress Down Friday) very seriously, and so when I elected to come to work today in a business outfit (in an attempt to look good to the top brass), my work area was under assault by angered co-workers urging me to dress down on Fridays from now on, or else -- according to them -- the department heads might take notice and dismiss the dumb ritual altogether.

Then my manager stumbles into my spot, concerned that I wasn't being a "team player."

I like wearing a nice shirt, tie, and dress shoes. It's called looking like a professional, and not like some slack-jawed mongrel.

I'm wondering, however: Am I jeopardizing myself and my job security by not playing along?



Just lose it.

Go postal.

Fuck everybody up.

Put yourself in the papers.

Or just tell them you didn't realise, and then next week dress down, and prove to everybody what a pussy you are.

They'll have you on crack in a week, and you'll be fucking the caretakers whore wife the next.
fatigues_gasolini
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(10-31-2008, 05:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Diablos

What the hell? Why would someone get mad at you for wearing a professional outfit on dress-down day? Of all the things to get upset at an employee about... :lol


Unfortunately, many offices are like high schools, with cliques and groups. You do the wrong thing you feel peoples wrath.
eznark
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(10-31-2008, 05:27 PM)
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you sound like a prick
Bii
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(10-31-2008, 05:27 PM)
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Why not just dress down a bit? You can still look professional just by changing one component of your outfit. Instead of wearing a dress shirt, wear a polo untucked with your slack and dress shoes. Or wear a pair of all white or black sneakers to go along with your slacks/dress shirt. In other words, semi-formal is the way to go if you don't want a too casual look in the office.

How your boss/co-workers reacted to your attire is stupid but the last thing you want to give them to talk about is something "negative" about you.
pewye
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(10-31-2008, 05:29 PM)

Originally Posted by HamPster PamPster

I hate people like you

I also hate people like your coworkers

In fact, I might just hate everyone

what the hell :lol
Borgnine
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(10-31-2008, 05:29 PM)
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By joining this huge faceless corporation you've already sold your soul in the name of making lots of money, but suddenly your James fucking Dean when it comes to conforming to their standards?
Ceres
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(10-31-2008, 05:30 PM)

Originally Posted by Borgnine

Write a company wide email expressing your dissatisfaction. Make sure you click the high importance exclamation icon so they know you're not fucking around.

Don't forget the read receipt.

And if it was just today, tell them you're being a "holier than thou douche" for Halloween.
C.Dark.DN
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(10-31-2008, 05:31 PM)
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Non-participation is a huge display of not being a team player... :lol Teamwork is important.
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(10-31-2008, 05:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by eznark

you sound like a prick

no u



Seriously OP, swallow your pride and just play along. Follow the advice here and just tell people you didn't know.

There are many places to exert your individuality, the office (particularly YOURS) doesn't seem like such a place to do it.
If it's really DDF, then why do they prohibit employees from wearing sweats and shorts, even on Fridays? I mean, why stop with jeans?

Fuck you guys and fuck your suggestions. I'm not letting anyone tell me, either directly or indirectly, to dress to their level.
LCfiner
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(10-31-2008, 05:32 PM)
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Yeah, you sound like a snob "ooh, look at me. i dress professionally". who gives a fuck? your coworkers?

yeah, dress down fridays can be silly, but if everyone else is wearing jeans on one day, maybe you should do it,instead of complaining to us about how it's a stupid tradition. and, in the same breath, talking about how you want to impress the bosses by wearing a suit. seriously?

impress them with your work, not your fucking clothes.

I swear, you come off like a huge brat and a condescending asshole.
Gallbaro
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(10-31-2008, 05:33 PM)
I would get the hell out of that workplace if all they do is bicker about like chickens.
Ferrio
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(10-31-2008, 05:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by NintendosBooger

If it's really DDF, then why do they prohibit employees from wearing sweats and shorts, even on Fridays? I mean, why stop with jeans?

Fuck you guys and fuck your suggestions. I'm not letting anyone tell me, either directly or indirectly, to dress to their level.

Way to fight the power.

Might wanna start looking for a new job, because with your attitude there's a good chance you'll piss off way too many people to hold the one you got now.
cilonen
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(10-31-2008, 05:33 PM)
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Get progressively more formal every day next week. Smart suit on Monday, three-piece on Tuesday, dinner jacket Wednesday then top hat & tails on Thursday. Then come in on Friday in a red velvet smoking jacket and brogues. You are dressing down, and you'll still look way the fuck more stylish than them.

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