Official PS3 Audio Thread - List of Games Supported

[Dyne]

My questions have been answered. But in case you didn't know:



For people using Digital Optical (toslink) for PS3 audio:

IF YOU WANT DTS SUPPORT FOR CERTAIN GAMES, YOU NEED TO GO INTO THE PS3 AUDIO SETTINGS AND UNCHECK "DOLBY DIGITAL."

What games? See the list below as we are currently compiling a list of all games that support DTS.

Why?
People report that DTS usually has a higher bitrate (meaning it is less lossy) than Dolby Digital - so depending on your system, DTS should sound better.


For people using HDMI audio with Linear PCM selected:

As we've found out, you lucky bastards get Linear PCM audio out of most games (but not all of them).

PS3 has to mix the audio in PCM and then encode it into DTS stream if that's your output selection. So in all cases, if you can use PCM 5.1, that's the way to go. DTS format won't make it better... In other words, if a game supports DTS, it should be able to output in PCM 5.1 and the quality should be similar. The fact that you have to unselect DD5.1 in order to get DTS sounds like games are checking supported output format in the wrong order or something to me...

As well, we quickly found out that there exists no definitive list of games that shows what supports LPCM 7.1 and DTS. Let's change that! Let's list them all. Come on, GAF, if you have a receiver hooked up to your PS3 with at least optical, help us out by finding out which games support what audio formats!

We are startled by the news that the recent reprint of LittleBigPlanet did not show DTS support on the back of the box. Why? Does Sony not care about DTS? It was printed on the original, recalled box!

What we want from future games: For every game to handle DTS/DD exactly like Uncharted. You must SAY it's supported on the back of the box if it's supported, and have a "DolbyDigital/DTS" option in the main options. Even better, have it switch to DTS if that's the best your receiver can handle (or leave it as DD if it doesn't.)

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GAMES THAT SUPPORT DTS:

Battlefield: Bad Company
Bioshock
Burnout Paradise
Dead Space
Eternal Sonata
FaceBreaker
Fifa Soccer 08
Fifa Soccer 09
Fifa Street 3
Fight Night: Round 3
Fracture
Guitar Hero: World Tour
LittleBigPlanet
Madden 08
Madden 09
Mirror's Edge
Motorstorm 2
NBA Live 07
NBA Live 08
NBA Live 09
NBA Street Homecourt
NCAA Basketball 09
NCAA March Madness 08
NHL 08
NHL 09
Pure
Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction
Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty
Resistance
Resistance 2
Smackdown vs. Raw 2009
Tiger Woods 08
Tiger Woods 09
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Valkyria Chronicles
Wipeout HD

*Every EA title since NBA 07 has apparently had DTS but this is unconfirmed. Do you own an EA game released after NBA 07 that you don't see listed? Would you kindly do the gaming community a favour check whether it has DTS, and reply here with the results? Thanks!

Edit: Further research yields that apparently SSX3 on PS2 supported DTS. Has every EA PS3 game supported DTS?

Edit2: Rock Band 1 and 2 do not support DTS. They are not EA, they are technically published by MTV Games. (What a shame, Rock Band would be phenomenal in DTS.)

Edit3:

RETRO GAMING DTS GOODNESS:

PS2 supports DTS on:

Grand Theft Auto: Vice City*
SSX Tricky*
SSX3*

Note: Guenther has kindly pointed out that these PS2 games support DTS 4.0, not 5.1.



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GAMES THAT SUPPORT LPCM 7.1 (from official Playstation boards)

1942 Joint Strike - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
All Pro Football 2k8 - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Black Site Area 51 - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Blazing Angels - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Bionic Commando - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Call of Duty 4 - 7.1
Clive Barkers: Jericho - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
College Hoops 2k8 - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Conflict: Denied Ops - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
The Darkness - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Dark Sector - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Dirt - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Folklore - 7.1 (Craiji)
Genji - 7.1 (Craiji)
Grid - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
GT5 Prolouge - 7.1 (InfamousM)
Haze - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Heavenly Sword - 7.1
Hail To The Chimp - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Hot Shots Golf 7.1 (Craiji)
Iron Man - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Kane & Lynch: Dead Men - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Lair - 7.1 (un4gvn2) THX Certified
MLB 08 The Show - 7.1 THX Certified
MLB 2k7 - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
MLB 2k8 - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Monster Madness: Grave Danger - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Motorstorm - 7.1 (Iceman-X)
NBA 08 - 7.1 (un4gvn2) THX Certified
NBA 2k8 - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Nhl 2k8 - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Oblivion - 7.1 (Craiji)
Overlord: Raising Hell - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Rachet & Clank TOD - 7.1 (Stook00)
Resistance Fall Of Man - 7.1 THX Certified
Robert Ludlum's: The Bourne Conspiracy - 7.1 (un4gvn2) THX Certified
Sega Rally Revo - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Siren: Blood Curse - 7.1 (Craiji)
Timeshift - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Top Spin 3 - 7.1 (nnyanks)
Turok - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Uncharted Drakes Fortune - 7.1 (alisound)
Virtua Fighter 5 - 7.1 (Iceman-X)
Virtua Tennis 3 - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Wall-E - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Warhawk - 7.1 THX Certified

PSN Game Titles:
Calling All Cars - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Cash Guns Chaos - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Go Sports Skiing - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Go Sports Skydiving - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
GT5 Prolouge - 7.1 (InfamousM)
Nucleus - 7.1 (Iceman-X)
Pain - 7.1 (InfamousM) THX Certified
Snakeball - 7.1 (un4gvn2)
Super Stardust HD - 7.1 (alisound)
Warhawk - 7.1 THX Certified

These games have been tested out by self and others who claim the titles are 7.1 LPCM I will be keeping this thread updated... (NOTICE to others. While the PS3 by default will active a 7.1 LPCM on your receiver while playing many games, this doesn't mean that the game will playback 7.1 LPCM Walk over to those rear speakers and listen. Nothing is being output. Please be sure to have any soundfields deactivated before posting.) (Also be advised that while these games will playback in 7.1 LPCM during single player mode, online game playing is not guaranteed to produce 7.1 LPCM during gameplay. And while in some games 7.1 is heard during cute scenes; if 7.1 is not heard during gameplay these games are noted as not producing 7.1 and will NOT be listed as 7.1 titles.)

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To do: Figure out the bitrate of a given multiplatform game with Dolby Digital 5.1 on both Xbox 360 and PS3. Our current hypothesis is that the bitrate is usually higher on PS3?

[dallow_bg]

Developer's fault, there should always be an audio option for this sort of thing ala Uncharted.

I think it's this way for Dead Space as well.

You have to uncheck DD from the audio settings to get the game to output DTS.

If you leave it off though, you'll just get stereo from games with non-DTS.

[h3ro]

Forgive me if this has been done before, but I have a couple questions about DTS on the PS3. Last night I turned off Dolby Digital 5.1 in the Audio Settings on my PS3, and played Valkyria Chronicles. I noticed a heck of a difference. I also played the NCAA basketball 09 demo and the crowd came alive for me. I know that there's not a whole lot of difference between DD and DTS, but DTS has MUCH better clarity and bass output on my Yamaha system. Anyways, my questions were: 1. What will happen if I leave Dolby Digital off? Will the PS3 fake a DTS signal or will it only output Stereo when a game/movie doesn't support it? 2. Whose fault is it that DTS doesn't turn on automatically? Each developer? The only game I know that lets you change it in the game options is Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, but my experience is pretty limited. 3. If Question 1 is that it puts DD into Stereo, is there any way Sony can issue a patch to force the game to output in DTS when it boots up? Or will each developer have to patch it? Or is this problem impossible to touch and we just have to keep turning it on and off in the audio settings in the XMB?

If you leave DD off, then if the game supports it, you'll get DTS, if not, regular stereo 2.0. In terms of fault, its 50/50. Sony's fault for not letting us stratify the outputs by choice, developers for not letting us choose the output (Uncharted let us do this, as you noted). I really hope they add this feature in a future FW update.

Burnout Paradise is another game that has an excellent DTS mix. Unfortunately, the game used to default to DTS, regardless of whether you had DD checked off or not, but after the Bikes pack, it now defaults to DD5.1. Apparently there was a small issue that caused some not to get sound if they had both DTS and DD checked off. Damn them.

I just leave DD5.1 checked off for now as the games I'm playing right now all support DTS (LBP, Dead Space, Burnout and Uncharted occasionally)...

[AndyD]

DTS is supported on fewer TVs/receivers than Dolby Digital. So they are more likely to default to DD than DTS.

I think its up to developers, much like Uncharted to option it on.

[JudgeN]

Question since we talking about audio. I have all things checked in PS3 settings and using an HDMI cable. When I'm playing uncharted my onkyo 605 says multichannel LPCM, does that mean uncompressed audio? Is DTS better?

[Dyne]

Thanks for the quick replies, guys.

What the heck, I'll get Stereo for non-DD content? That blows.

Well if Sony doesn't do anything about it, at least they can add the option of a quick-DTS icon in the Game cross on the XMB. Then we can switch it whenever we want.

[bryehn]

Nice timing, I was wondering just today why LBP and Valkyria weren't outputting in DTS for me.

Seems odd that it doesn't just default to the highest quality available. Gonna be a pain in the arse to switch DD on/off when I pop in Mirror's Edge over the weekend.

Question since we talking about audio. I have all things checked in PS3 settings and using an HDMI cable. When I'm playing uncharted my onkyo 605 says multichannel LPCM, does that mean uncompressed audio? Is DTS better?

DTS is still compressed, though far less than DD. LPCM is the way to go if you can.

[AndyD]

Question since we talking about audio. I have all things checked in PS3 settings and using an HDMI cable. When I'm playing uncharted my onkyo 605 says multichannel LPCM, does that mean uncompressed audio? Is DTS better?

Yes. No.

So which games support DTS?

[Dyne]

Nice timing, I was wondering just today why LBP and Valkyria weren't outputting in DTS for me. Seems odd that it doesn't just default to the highest quality available. Gonna be a pain in the arse to switch DD on/off when I pop in Mirror's Edge over the weekend.

As I understand it, all EA games support DTS? Mirrors Edge should support it. Maybe I'm wrong.

Also, JudgeN, you lucky bastard. I wish I could get more than 2 channels of uncompressed audio on my system. I'll have to upgrade soon.

[bryehn]

As I understand it, all EA games support DTS? Mirrors Edge should support it. Maybe I'm wrong.

No logo on the box, but I'll give it a shot anyways.

[junker]

Developer's fault, there should always be an audio option for this sort of thing ala Uncharted. I think it's this way for Dead Space as well. You have to uncheck DD from the audio settings to get the game to output DTS. If you leave it off though, you'll just get stereo from games with non-DTS.

Wait, Dead Space had DTS?

Damn, Burnout Paradise defaulted to DTS until the bike updates changed it. This is annoying.

[PjotrStroganov]

Even Sony games don't automatically revert to DTS. At least not Wipeout HD.

[h3ro]

Wait, Dead Space had DTS?

Yep. And its glorious. My main reason for playing on the Triple over 360.

[FlyinJ]

Holy crap, you've got to be kidding me!

Uncharted and Super Stardust are the only game that I've gotten DTS output on. I just assumed all the other games were DD5.1. Which I also found odd, because DTS is mentioned in the manual and on the box for Valkaryia Chronicles.

You have to UNCHECK DD5.1 and only have DTS checked to get DTS? How fucking retarded is that?

Is there a definitive list of games that support DTS?

And why in the hell doesn't it look at your settings, look at what the game supports, and pick the best one? I mean, come the hell on. Also, I'm pretty sure I never implicitly told Super Stardust to use DTS, it just did it automatically.

[Dyne]

Holy crap, you've got to be kidding me! Uncharted and Super Stardust are the only game that I've gotten DTS output on. I just assumed all the other games were DD5.1. Which I also found odd, because DTS is mentioned in the manual and on the box for Valkaryia Chronicles. You have to UNCHECK DD5.1 and only have DTS checked to get DTS? How fucking retarded is that? Is there a definitive list of games that support DTS? And why in the hell doesn't it look at your settings, look at what the game supports, and pick the best one? I mean, come the hell on. Also, I'm pretty sure I never implicitly told Super Stardust to use DTS, it just did it automatically.

Yeah, it's retarded. I hope somebody has taken notice of this issue because it needs to be rectified like yesterday. How can we make a shift to uncompressed audio support when we don't even support a well-known encoding scheme like DTS?

Also, I've seen a list. I'm trying to find it right now. I'll keep you posted.

[PjotrStroganov]

Yep. And its glorious. My main reason for playing on the Triple over 360.

So there is a difference? If the source material is the same, the output shouldn't really matter.

[sinnergy]

It all depends on your receiver and speakers.. there is not mucht difference between DD 5.1 (+) or DTS 5.1

Your sound is only as good as your setup. Personally here at my home, DTS is a bit more lifelike and DD has more Bass. (and tested at a freind 5000 euro + set, not much difference either)

It also has to do with how the track is mastered.

[polyh3dron]

What about Mirror's Edge, does it have DTS?

[Dyne]

So there is a difference? If the source material is the same, the output shouldn't really matter.

I haven't played it, but it seems like DTS is always on par with the mix. You never have to turn it up or down - whatever volume you set it at it's perfect. And the bass output is clear and accurate for me, as opposed to the thump thump of DD that I occasionally get.

[Gouty]

Let me get the HDMI question straight. I’ve got all the boxes checked and when I play Uncharted my receiver says Multi-channel in. So does that mean I’m just getting a DD signal converted to LPCM and that I’d be better off unchecking the DD box?

[Dyne]

Let me get the HDMI question straight. I’ve got all the boxes checked and when I play Uncharted my receiver says Multi-channel in. So does that mean I’m just getting a DD signal converted to LPCM and that I’d be better off unchecking the DD box?

What do you have your audio settings set to? Linear PCM or Bitstream?

That's the setting that basically says, bundle it up in Linear PCM before sending to the receiver, or just send the signal untouched. Or I might be completely wrong. But that might give you an idea of what's going on.

[shouamabane]

I noticed the DTS logo on the back of the MotorStorm 2 box.

[Famicom]

Unbelieable. Had no idea most of the games in this thread even had a DTS track because of this.

[xero273]

I noticed the DTS logo on the back of the MotorStorm 2 box. I can't find an in-game option to use DTS.

If in-game options doesn't have that, then you need to disable dolby digital in your PS3 options and leave dts checked. DTS should work after you do this.

[Gouty]

I've got mine set for Linear PCM. I just assumed like with the movies on Bluray that if I had this as my output that I'd get the best audio the game offered and that it was then just being convereted PCM. Guess not.

[Dyne]

I've got mine set for Linear PCM. I just assumed like with the movies on Bluray that if I had this as my output that I'd get the best audio the game offered and that it was then just being convereted PCM. Guess not.

I think it might be spreading stereo over 5 channels in your case, because as far as I know, Uncharted doesn't support uncompressed. I really need to get an HDMI receiver though, there's a whole magical world of uncompressed audio I need to experience.

[Gouty]

oops, sorry, I read that wrong.

I thought you said Uncharted didn't support DTS, not uncompressed

[Lord Error]

Dead Space in dts sounds amazing. I knew there had to be some problem somewhere for all the games that actually support dts all of a sudden start favoring DD5.1 if you have both checked in the settings. LBP, Dead Space, Burnout all have this problem where you have to uncheck DD5.1 from the settings to get them to output dts.

[Dyne]

Yeah? Sorry if I'm confusing, I'm posting at work. Hahaha. I had to edit my post because I said DTS initially.

Anyways, yes, apparently you should be using Linear PCM and have everything checked, but the rules of DD/DTS checking and unchecking still apply to you, unfortunately.

[shouamabane]

If in-game options doesn't have that, then you need to disable dolby digital in your PS3 options and leave dts checked. DTS should work after you do this.

Thanks. It sounds great. Looking forward to a list.

[Brandon F]

I am so lost on the topic of audio. My receiver supports everything and I have HDMI going, but when faced with the choice of audio in Uncharted(DD5.1, DTS 5.1, LPCM 5.1) I am a fucking retard.

Tell me what I should set up!!!

[Mejilan]

Wow, I didn't even know that PS3 games had DTS support. I'm pretty sure my receiver allows it, since I always enable the option on DVDs and suffer no audio issues. Too bad the PS3's in-game implementation is so fucking retarded. I suppose I'll have to start experimenting.

[Dyne]

I am so lost on the topic of audio. My receiver supports everything and I have HDMI going, but when faced with the choice of audio in Uncharted(DD5.1, DTS 5.1, LPCM 5.1) I am a fucking retard. Tell me what I should set up!!!

I'm going off the assumption that Uncharted doesn't support uncompressed.

If you have HDMI audio (and not HDMI video exclusively) you should set your settings to Linear PCM. Then, in Audio setup, check everything off (sidenote: PCM tracks over 88Hz: check your receiver manual, you may blow your speakers if it's set too high.)

If you want DTS, a better audio track, you have to uncheck Dolby Digital from the PS3's audio setup. When you go back to Dolby Digital content, you have to recheck it.

EDIT: Holy shit ignore me. Read this.

Uncharted, Resistance, Dirt, Folklore, LAIR, Ratchet and Clank, GT5 Prolouge, Heavenly Sword all have 7.1 lossless.

That means you don't need to uncheck shit for Uncharted. It supports 7.1 channels of uncompressed audio. Set your audio options to Linear PCM and check everything off and enjoy! (Unless the two extra tracks don't work in 5.1, but I assume the receiver mixes them down easily.)

[Winterblink]

Wow, I didn't even know that PS3 games had DTS support. I'm pretty sure my receiver allows it, since I always enable the option on DVDs and suffer no audio issues. Too bad the PS3's in-game implementation is so fucking retarded. I suppose I'll have to start experimenting.

The first time I noticed it was in Battlefield: Bad Company. And ho-lee-sheeeeet does that make a massive difference. :) So much more depth to the surround soundfield, and much more effective punch on the low frequency end.

[JudgeN]

I am so lost on the topic of audio. My receiver supports everything and I have HDMI going, but when faced with the choice of audio in Uncharted(DD5.1, DTS 5.1, LPCM 5.1) I am a fucking retard. Tell me what I should set up!!!

You want LPCM 5.1

[Teetris]

Every PS3 game needs DTS. Lately I've seen more and more first party titles supporting it. Resistance 2 being the latest. I hope Killzone 2 supports it too. Anyone from the beta can share this?

[TheExodu5]

So there is a difference? If the source material is the same, the output shouldn't really matter.

I don't understand what you mean.

DD/DTS are not outputs, they are encoding schemes. There would be separate DD and DTS sources on the game disc. Both would be encoded from uncompressed sources. It matters.

I think it might be spreading stereo over 5 channels in your case, because as far as I know, Uncharted doesn't support uncompressed. I really need to get an HDMI receiver though, there's a whole magical world of uncompressed audio I need to experience.

Uncharted does support Uncompressed. It's in the audio options.

[Lord Error]

I am so lost on the topic of audio. My receiver supports everything and I have HDMI going, but when faced with the choice of audio in Uncharted(DD5.1, DTS 5.1, LPCM 5.1) I am a fucking retard. Tell me what I should set up!!!

DD5.1 < DTS < LPCM

I don't know if Uncharted supports LPCM 7.1, but the game does switch to DTS by itself if you have both DD5.1 and DTS checked in the settings. It's one of the games that do that, whereas several others (that I mentioned above) won't. So for Uncharted, just have everything checked and the game will know what to do. Same with SSDHD. For those others, you have to manually disable DD5.1.

Too bad the PS3's in-game implementation is so fucking retarded. I suppose I'll have to start experimenting.

It's completely inconsistent from game to game. Some do switch to dts automatically, some you have to force to.

[Philthy]

Dead Space in dts sounds amazing. I knew there had to be some problem somewhere for all the games that actually support dts all of a sudden start favoring DD5.1 if you have both checked in the settings. LBP, Dead Space, Burnout all have this problem where you have to uncheck DD5.1 from the settings to get them to output dts.

Christ. Sony needs to get on this and let us specify output priorities in our preferences.

Seriously. This is so messed up.

[Dyne]

Uncharted does support Uncompressed. It's in the audio options.

Yeah, I just read that over at AVS Forum. That's awesome. I kind of want an HDMI receiver now.

[Lord Error]

And why in the hell doesn't it look at your settings, look at what the game supports, and pick the best one? I mean, come the hell on. Also, I'm pretty sure I never implicitly told Super Stardust to use DTS, it just did it automatically.

h3ro mentioned it above - there's some bug in the whole implementation I guess. It seems to be safer to favor DD5.1 for whatever reason or else some people don't get any sound.

[shouamabane]

Well, for a start, the following demos have DTS support:

Eternal Sonata
Valkyria Chronicles
Mirror's Edge

[TheExodu5]

Yeah, I just read that over at AVS Forum. That's awesome. I kind of want an HDMI receiver now.

Ahh don't worry about it, I'd say. I've got an expensive ass setup here ($30K, give or take...courtesy of my audiophile dad). I'd say the gains from DTS to Uncompressed are fairly minimal. The gains from DD to DTS are greater, IMO. I do use uncompressed, because I can (Denon 3808-CI), but I wouldn't say it's worth the investment of a whole new receiver. Cue the uncompressed zealots.

[dankir]

You want LPCM 5.1

Correction he wants, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD and LPCM up to 7.1

My PS3 games that take advantage of it sound even better. And of course the Blu Ray and HD DVDs I play on my LG BH200 sound amazing.

[Gouty]

Ahh don't worry about it, I'd say. I've got an expensive ass setup here ($30K, give or take...courtesy of my audiophile dad). I'd say the gains from DTS to Uncompressed are fairly minimal. The gains from DD to DTS are greater, IMO. I do use uncompressed, because I can (Denon 3808-CI), but I wouldn't say it's worth the investment of a whole new receiver. Cue the uncompressed zealots.

I couldn't agree more. I have the exact same receiver. The jump from DD to DTS is pretty big. I just go lossless for the shits and the giggles

[PixelJunkie]

DTS is still compressed, though far less than DD. LPCM is the way to go if you can.

That's the biggest difference is DTS is a fair amount less compressed than Dolby, although actually telling the difference between the two maybe next to impossible DTS usually sounds better to me (just in my head I guess).

Dolby surround has always seemed muffled to me though.

[DarkJC]

In theory if you have your PS3 do the decoding and always output an uncompressed LPCM track to your receiver, then all of this doesn't matter I think. So if you have the option to do that, it's probably the best way to go. The only thing you forgo is the DD/DTS lights lighting up on your receiver.

Edit: Actually maybe I'm confusing this with the option for Blu-ray movies. Is there an option like this for games as well or how does it decide what to output?

[Dyne]

Ahh don't worry about it, I'd say. I've got an expensive ass setup here ($30K, give or take...courtesy of my audiophile dad). I'd say the gains from DTS to Uncompressed are fairly minimal. The gains from DD to DTS are greater, IMO. I do use uncompressed, because I can (Denon 3808-CI), but I wouldn't say it's worth the investment of a whole new receiver. Cue the uncompressed zealots.

Hahah, thanks for the input. :) Yeah, I'm really hesistant because the receiver I bought is really good at everything BUT uncompressed. I do watch a lot of Blu-rays, so it is tempting, but I don't think I'll get an HDMI receiver until more games support it.

[Gouty]

That's what I'm wondering. How do I know what sound this machine is choosing if my receiver just states multi channel in? With movies, I get to choose so there isn't any confusion. Games however.

[PjotrStroganov]

I don't understand what you mean. DD/DTS are not outputs, they are encoding schemes. There would be separate DD and DTS sources on the game disc. Both would be encoded from uncompressed sources. It matters.

I always thought that the sound was decoded to DD5.1 or DTS from one sample.


Anyway, with your example it still (partly) depends on the bitrate of both. They can be the same. I don't know if this is the case with PS3 games, but I guess it depends on the dev and game.