YESSSS x2! AVATAR trailer #2 is NOW LIVE!!!! (mark ALL spoilers) - Page 4

Kagari · (02-07-2009, 08:47 AM)

Originally Posted by Scullibundo:

Lately? I've been doing it since the beginning of 06.

I'll do it for myself and those who are interested (of which there are many despite the detractors). I do it because I really do think this movie will be a game-changer in a big big way and that this is absolutely the film to watch.

A game changer? The real question is, will it outsell Titanic? I think not.

Scullibundo · (02-07-2009, 08:54 AM)

Originally Posted by Kagari:

A game changer? The real question is, will it outsell Titanic? I think not.

I don't think anything will outgross Titanic for a long long time. I highly doubt this will.

megateto · 10:27 AM

I know, I know

.

Thanks to your threads I even got to know about the RED cameras: once you begin to dig into the realms of digital and 3D -or stereo, as our man likes to call it-, you have to read a lot. By the way, I was told by one set decorator of Steven Soderbergh's Che that his RED camera got hot like hell while filming in Spain, they had to put frozen plastic bags to keep it cool.

Titanic? Not a chance. Although I don't remember if Cameron said he would release a 2D version or not.

Scullibundo · (02-07-2009, 11:05 AM)

Speaking of Soderbergh...

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Soderbergh liked what he saw - a lot.

“Yeah, I went to the set,” said Steven Soderbergh, when Total Film quizzed him recently. “I can tell you that shit was mindblowing. The shit I saw was crazy. Like, craaaazy.I I think it’s gonna be gigantic. It’s gonna be another one of those benchmarks. There’s gonna be Before that movie and After.”

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/ex...-avatar/page:5

xabre · (02-07-2009, 11:55 AM)

But it only runs at 24fps. It should run at 48fps.

Dan · (02-07-2009, 12:03 PM)

Originally Posted by megateto:

Thanks to your threads I even got to know about the RED cameras: once you begin to dig into the realms of digital and 3D -or stereo, as our man likes to call it-, you have to read a lot. By the way, I was told by one set decorator of Steven Soderbergh's Che that his RED camera got hot like hell while filming in Spain, they had to put frozen plastic bags to keep it cool.

Hot like hell is an understatement in my experience.

Rindain · (02-07-2009, 12:10 PM)

Originally Posted by xabre:

But it only runs at 24fps. It should run at 48fps.

Sony's CineAlta FD950's (which were used on Avatar) can run at 48 fps. Cameron and Vince Pace did tests at this frame rate (in stereo 3D too) and said it looked absolutely mindblowing.

However they couldn't shoot Avatar this way because current digital projectors can't run that fast in 3D without modifications.

Now, from what I understand, Cameron still plans to shoot Avatar 2 and/or Battle Angel at 48 fps.

xabre · (02-07-2009, 12:28 PM)

Originally Posted by Rindain:

However they couldn't shoot Avatar this way because current digital projectors can't run that fast in 3D without modifications.

They still could of shot it in 48fps to future proof it while converting back to 24fps in the meantime.

Rindain · (02-07-2009, 12:46 PM)

Originally Posted by xabre:

They still could of shot it in 48fps to future proof it while converting back to 24fps in the meantime.

Good point. Maybe there were cost / bandwidth issues they still had to work out?

Scullibundo · 01:45 PM

Because a modification would need to be made to all digital projectors. They actually have the capability though.

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Our current generation of digital projectors can currently run up to 144 frames per second, and they are still being improved. So right now, today, we could be shooting 2-D movies at 48 frames and running them at that speed. This alone would make 2-D movies look astonishingly clear and sharp, at very little extra cost, with equipment that's already installed or being installed. I've run tests on 48 frame per second stereo and it is stunning. The cameras can do it, the projectors can (with a small modification) do it.

So why aren't we doing it, as an industry? Because people have been asking the wrong question for years. They have been so focused on resolution, and counting pixels and lines, that they have forgotten about frame rate. A 2K image at 48 frames per second looks as sharp as a 4K image at 24 frames per second ... with one fundamental difference: the 4K/24 image will judder miserably during a panning shot, and the 2K/48 won't.

If every single digital theater was perceived by the audience as being equivalent to Imax or Showscan in image quality, which is readily achievable with off-the-shelf technology now, running at higher frame rates, then isn't that the same kind of marketing hook as 3-D itself? Something you can't get at home. An aspect of the film that you can't pirate.

Of course, the ideal format is 3-D/2K/48 fps projection. I'd love to have done 'Avatar' at 48 frames. But I have to fight these battles one at a time. I'm just happy people are waking up to 3-D.

Maybe on "Avatar 2."

megateto · (02-07-2009, 01:46 PM)

Originally Posted by Dan:

Hot like hell is an understatement in my experience.

So it really is that bad? Did it seem fixeable to you?

She gave a very vague answer, she's not that much into technical things.

Scullibundo · (02-12-2009, 02:49 AM)

Interview with Laz Alonso where he talks a little bit about his experience shooting AVATAR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGhKL....blogspot.com/

Kagari · (02-12-2009, 02:53 AM)

Where the fuck is my teaser?

Dan · (02-12-2009, 02:58 AM)

Originally Posted by megateto:

So it really is that bad? Did it seem fixeable to you?

She gave a very vague answer, she's not that much into technical things.

You mean by Red with future versions of the camera? I'd hope so, but I have little idea about how technology's moving to offer better cooling options.

Our camera appeared to overheat and crash once, but after resting for a bit booted back up alright. I mean, for the most part the heat didn't affect anything, but it can be unnerving, especially after it crashes once.

Jtwo · (02-12-2009, 02:59 AM)

Is it like literally 197 cameras?
Or like kinda sorta 197 cameras?

tino · (02-12-2009, 04:06 AM)

Originally Posted by Scullibundo:

Speaking of Soderbergh...

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/ex...-avatar/page:5

After so many years, I finally see a picture of the alien race. I have always been a believer in Cameron, always. NOW MY HYPE ENGINE HAS ENTERED THE TURBO ZONE.

I hope that butch mexican woman whose name shell not be mentioned won't fuck things up.

half a moon · 04:29 AM

I'm not a film maker, but I actually thought about using a lot of cameras and the advantages. Full 360 films, that kind of shit. I didn't realize what he's doing until now.

My interest has risen a lot.

Scullibundo · (02-14-2009, 11:27 PM)

Mattel have been chosen to produce the toyline for AVATAR.

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“Mattel’s AVATAR toy line will feature heroes, creatures and vehicles straight from the blockbuster film. Each action figure or vehicle will come with a 3D web tag, bringing a new level of interactivity to Mattel’s newest action play line. Utilizing a computer’s webcam, consumers can “scan” the web tag, unlocking special content unique to the product, like bio information on action figures and creatures, virtually on a home computer.”

jett · (02-14-2009, 11:42 PM)

Originally Posted by Scullibundo:

Mattel have been chosen to produce the toyline for AVATAR.

yay.

GhaleonEB · (02-14-2009, 11:43 PM)

.....

Kagari · (02-17-2009, 04:24 AM)

So I just realized that James Horner is doing the score for this movie (should have figured...)... That makes me more interested now ;O

Blader5489 · (02-17-2009, 04:27 AM)

wtf is wrong with you people

If there's no teaser, stop bumping this thread!

(and yes, I realize the irony that by complaining about this thread being bumped, I have bumped it. but it was already on the 1st page so that doesn't matter.)

Kagari · (02-17-2009, 04:27 AM)

Originally Posted by Blader5489:

wtf is wrong with you people

If there's no teaser, stop bumping this thread!

The fact that the movie is out this year and there has been no teaser yet is quite concerning...

Darko · (02-17-2009, 04:29 AM)

Originally Posted by Scullibundo:

Mattel have been chosen to produce the toyline for AVATAR.

.... teaser? no? dont fucking post it here then.

ElectricBlue187 · (02-17-2009, 04:58 AM)

Originally Posted by Teh Hamburglar:

I have no fcking idea what AVATAR is.

nobody knows! oscar confirmed

G-Fex · (02-17-2009, 05:21 AM)

Originally Posted by Kagari:

The fact that the movie is out this year and there has been no teaser yet is quite concerning...

It's LULZ worthy!

layzie1989 · (02-17-2009, 05:28 AM)

if the movie is in 3d how the hell will the teaser even be able to represent the movie?

I WANT A TEASER GOD DAMNIt

Scullibundo · (02-17-2009, 06:20 AM)

Originally Posted by layzie1989:

if the movie is in 3d how the hell will the teaser even be able to represent the movie?

I WANT A TEASER GOD DAMNIt

Attached to Monsters vs Aliens perhaps?

And it's still over 10 months away. No teaser isn't really that concerning.

jett · (02-17-2009, 06:33 AM)

Originally Posted by layzie1989:

if the movie is in 3d how the hell will the teaser even be able to represent the movie?

I WANT A TEASER GOD DAMNIt

If the movie doesn't work without the useless 3D garbage then James Cameron has failed. Personally I KNOW I won't be bothering to spend the extra money to watch it in 3D. Fuck that gimmick. 2D FO LIFE

Jtwo · (02-17-2009, 06:42 AM)

Originally Posted by layzie1989:

if the movie is in 3d how the hell will the teaser even be able to represent the movie?

The movie is still going to have a widespread 2d release.

Scullibundo · (02-17-2009, 06:47 AM)

Originally Posted by jett:

If the movie doesn't work without the useless 3D garbage then James Cameron has failed. Personally I KNOW I won't be bothering to spend the extra money to watch it in 3D. Fuck that gimmick. 2D FO LIFE

He has already echoed his thoughts that if the movie doesn't work in 2D then it won't be worth much in 3D.

Kagari · (02-17-2009, 06:51 AM)

More importantly, when can I see this: http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie/j...n%27s-sanctum/

Scullibundo · (02-17-2009, 06:56 AM)

Originally Posted by Kagari:

More importantly, when can I see this: http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie/j...n%27s-sanctum/

I'm sure you meant to link to Battle Angel.

Kagari · (02-17-2009, 06:58 AM)

Originally Posted by Scullibundo:

I'm sure you meant to link to Battle Angel.

Well, I do want to see that whenever it comes out too... but I really did like Cameron's documentaries. I wish they'd release the live Discovery one he did in 2005 on video.

Scullibundo · (02-17-2009, 07:02 AM)

Originally Posted by Kagari:

Well, I do want to see that whenever it comes out too... but I really did like Cameron's documentaries. I wish they'd release the live Discovery one he did in 2005 on video.

Yeah but The Dive isn't directed by Cameorn, he's only writer/producer. He was rumoured to be directing it a while ago, but I'm pretty sure he handed it off. I doubt he would move onto something else with Battle Angel so far along the prep timeline.

Kagari · (02-17-2009, 07:05 AM)

Oh, never mind... I guess you can buy it directly from Discovery

~Kinggi~ · (02-17-2009, 07:30 AM)

I cant wait for this. Cameron has been planning this forever.

Scullibundo · (02-17-2009, 09:30 PM)

Reason we don't have a teaser yet.

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Michael here - Over the last few days I heard from a couple sources that James Cameron has been reviewing (and summarily rejecting) teaser after potential teaser for Avatar. One mentioned that Fox has delivered six potential trailers, all of which were turned down.

So, when will we see the first teaser? Let us review some of the possibilities...

Monsters Vs. Aliens

Other than Cameron himself, Jeffrey Katzenberg has been perhaps the most ardent evangelist for 3-D. Not only will Monsters Vs. Aliens be a big event in itself, but I can see Cameron placing the first Avatar footage in front of Katzenberg's film as a way of paying respect to the work Katzenberg has done for the 3-D cause. Also, MvA releases only 4 days before ShoWest. I would expect that if Cameron is planning on showing something in Vegas, then he would rather have the first public glimpse be an official 3-D teaser in front of MvA, rather than blurry 2-D spy footage leaked to the internet from Showest.

X-Men Origins: Wolverine

If we don't see the teaser in front of MvA, then Wolverine is the next likely possibility. I'm sure Fox would love the extra business that the Avatar teaser would bring. Also, releasing at this point would also get the trailer in front of Star Trek and Terminator: Salvation, both of which star Avatar actors and are sure to draw huge crowds. However, would Cameron want the public's first impression of Avatar to be 2-D?

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

A 2-D trailer could release in front of Transformers 2 on June 24. There's a good chance Transformers 2 will be the biggest film of the summer, so it would be a wise place to show off the biggest film of the year.

http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/0...r-trailer.html

braimuge · (02-17-2009, 09:35 PM)

fuckin' hell. When will this thing come out.

It's probably gonna be the biggest flop in all of Hollywood History

Scullibundo · (02-17-2009, 09:38 PM)

Originally Posted by braimuge:

fuckin' hell. When will this thing come out.

It's probably gonna be the biggest flop in all of Hollywood History

That's what they said about Cameron's last movie.

Vinci · (02-17-2009, 09:40 PM)

Originally Posted by Scullibundo:

I don't think anything will outgross Titanic for a long long time. I highly doubt this will.

Actually, the highest grossing movie of all time is Gone With the Wind. So long as you consider inflation.

braimuge · (02-17-2009, 09:42 PM)

Originally Posted by Scullibundo:

That's what they said about Cameron's last movie.

If this works out, then I can't wait for Battle Angel. Will be the best adaptation of an Anime/Manga, ever.

Wes · (02-17-2009, 09:45 PM)

I expect some kind of tease with Transformers even if one does appear sooner.

Kagari · (02-17-2009, 09:50 PM)

Originally Posted by Scullibundo:

That's what they said about Cameron's last movie.

That they did, and look how that turned out.

Originally Posted by Vinci:

Actually, the highest grossing movie of all time is Gone With the Wind. So long as you consider inflation.

Psh, no one cares about adjusting for inflation. Titanic still wins ;D

Vinci · (02-17-2009, 09:52 PM)

Originally Posted by Kagari:

Psh, no one cares about adjusting for inflation. Titanic still wins ;D

I care. Damn it. I hated Titanic.

Kagari · (02-17-2009, 09:53 PM)

Originally Posted by Vinci:

I care. Damn it. I hated Titanic.

:(

Darko · (02-17-2009, 10:03 PM)

Originally Posted by Scullibundo:

That's what they said about Cameron's last movie.

I like Cameron, but I too think this will be a huge flop.
Unless Celine Dion is on the soundtrack, then maybe it has a chance.

lol

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Kagari · (02-17-2009, 10:15 PM)

Originally Posted by Darko:

I like Cameron, but I too think this will be a huge flop.
Unless Celine Dion is on the soundtrack, then maybe it has a chance.

lol

I'm still hesitant about it. It really doesn't have a lot going for it aside from Cameron's name, new technology, whatever.
At least Titanic was based on a real event that remains a popular subject even today.