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Higgy · (05-20-2009, 06:03 PM)

WTF?

Wii Will Rock U · (05-20-2009, 06:04 PM)

Originally Posted by Captain N:

Seriously, WTF? :lol :lol

Marvie_3 · (05-20-2009, 06:04 PM)

That crown is pretty sweet. Good luck with the cancer though. :lol

Ferrio · (05-20-2009, 06:10 PM)

As long as you don't wear them in California you should be fine.

Eteric Rice · (05-20-2009, 06:15 PM)

So first Nintendo becomes the cancer of gaming, now they're trying to give us real cancer. :lol

Operations · (05-20-2009, 06:18 PM)

Originally Posted by Ferrio:

As long as you don't wear them in California you should be fine.

:lol

Garryk · (05-20-2009, 06:18 PM)

Go irradiate them shorts and put 'em through the spin cycle :P

SovanJedi · (05-20-2009, 06:20 PM)

Is that Cancerpants warning for real? :O

Fuu · (05-20-2009, 06:21 PM)

Mario is definitely screwed after using so many starmen over the years.

Wii Will Rock U · (05-20-2009, 06:22 PM)

Originally Posted by Fuu:

Mario is definitely screwed after using so many starmen over the years.

:lol

Struct09 · (05-20-2009, 06:24 PM)

Good thing I don't live in CA, I can't get cancer from those boxers here

GoutPatrol · (05-20-2009, 06:26 PM)

Originally Posted by Steve Youngblood:

It may have mattered for some in Super Punch Out, but it definitely didn't matter in the NES game.

This, too, is my biggest detriment in the new game.

It mattered for most of the latter guys in SPO. Hage Kagero, Mad Clown, Hoy Quarlow, Dragon Chan are ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Steve Youngblood · (05-20-2009, 06:34 PM)

Originally Posted by GoutPatrol:

It mattered for most of the latter guys in SPO. Hage Kagero, Mad Clown, Hoy Quarlow, Dragon Chan are ones I can think of off the top of my head.

I thought it did, but I didn't play nearly as much Super Punch Out growing up as Mike Tyson's Punch Out. In the latter, which direction you dodged didn't ever matter even against Tyson/Mr. Dream. Furthermore, all the NES characters are just burned into my memory so strongly that I find myself in trouble because I'm trying to play them as if it's the old game with shiny new graphics. For instance, I actually struggled to realize that alternating jabs wouldn't allow me to hit Flamenco indefinitely. Also, I constantly kept trying to hit the Great Tiger in the stomach whenever he would uppercut.

Ferrio · (05-20-2009, 06:42 PM)

Originally Posted by Steve Youngblood:

I thought it did, but I didn't play nearly as much Super Punch Out growing up as Mike Tyson's Punch Out. In the latter, which direction you dodged didn't ever matter even against Tyson/Mr. Dream. Furthermore, all the NES characters are just burned into my memory so strongly that I find myself in trouble because I'm trying to play them as if it's the old game with shiny new graphics. For instance, I actually struggled to realize that alternating jabs wouldn't allow me to hit Flamenco indefinitely. Also, I constantly kept trying to hit the Great Tiger in the stomach whenever he would uppercut.

I had the same trouble, but mostly in just realizing dodging only right wasn't going to work anymore and trying to rewire ~20 years of habit in my brain.

HUELEN10 · (05-20-2009, 06:42 PM)

Originally Posted by Struct09:

Good thing I don't live in CA, I can't get cancer from those boxers here

:lol :lol :lol

Regulus Tera · (05-20-2009, 06:42 PM)

Originally Posted by koam:

is anyone here playing this as their first punch out game ever? Thoughts? Impressions?

This game rocks.

I beat Don Flamenco by decision. Somehow it feels like cheating. :(

HUELEN10 · (05-20-2009, 06:43 PM)

Originally Posted by Regulus Tera:

This game rocks.

I beat Don Flamenco by decision. Somehow it feels like cheating. :(

I have yet to beat him NOT by decision. Don't feel too bad.

Dartastic · (05-20-2009, 06:46 PM)

I do not like Bald Bull. I want to beat him. Fast. Grrrrr.

Shin Johnpv · (05-20-2009, 06:50 PM)

Originally Posted by Shinjitsu:

Can we stop with this "Ninty" shit already?

Be careful I asked the same thing in another thread, and well look at my customer user thing.

Mdk7 · (05-20-2009, 06:51 PM)

I've beaten the first circuit, holy shit it's so good to look and play.
I'm only afraid there's little content in it, i don't wanna finish it in a couple of days!

Glass Joe · (05-20-2009, 07:02 PM)

I put a couple of hours into it and am definitely liking it!

At first I was slightly underwhelmed because I was having a real easy time with it. I think I won every match with ease until Great Tiger... who reminded me of the good old days of getting my ass whooped over and over, heh. I'd gotten up to Soda Popinski and called it a night. (I'll admit Bear Hugger knocked me down a couple times till I remembered the duck trick).

I must say, when I heard Aran Ryan was in the game, I thought "what a waste." There were some bland characters in Super Punch Out, but he was probably the LEAST memorable. Fortunately he's basically a completely new character, and one of the coolest in the series! He's like, no... he IS Brad Pitt from the movie Snatch. It took me a while, but I finally figured him out and it felt great doing so.

My only fear is that I'm through most of the roster and have only put a couple hours into the game. Word of title defense makes me more optimistic.

Initial impressions:

+ Beautiful cel shaded characters brought to life with all of the personality I imagined them having as a kid.

+ Punch-Out!!! done right for the modern age, without sacrificing what makes it special.

+ More of a re-make of Punch-Out!!! than Super Punch-Out!!!, with the heart system back (although Super Punch-Out's mechanics WERE truer to the original arcade machine)

- I wish there were subtitles in between rounds to translate what your opponents are saying... though I'm at least glad they brought back what they did.

- I know that it's basically a remake, but a few more NEW characters thrown in the mix would have been welcome.

- This is probably a minority opinion, but I would have liked it if you were punished for losing. You can always restart where you left off. Especially with the new exhibition / hologram mode to tweak your strategies, the old system extended replay value and would now not be nearly as frustrating as before... I always felt the old way gave oppenents a certain mystique (as in, OMG I got to Super Macho Man!!!) and gave the "circuits" their own identity. Either having limited continues or being ranked down like in the past (until forced retirement) is something that I would have liked to see.

bdizzle · (05-20-2009, 07:05 PM)

is there anyway to change the controls for left handers? playing with the wiimote in my right hand is extremely awkward... :(

AndresON777 · (05-20-2009, 07:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Mdk7:

I've beaten the first circuit, holy shit it's so good to look and play.
I'm only afraid there's little content in it, i don't wanna finish it in a couple of days!

Yeah how long is the game 50 bucks seems like a big investment with all the other games coming out.

Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv:

Be careful I asked the same thing in another thread, and well look at my customer user thing.

:lol

rhino4evr · (05-20-2009, 07:11 PM)

Originally Posted by ChrisGoldstein:

Yeah how long is the game 50 bucks seems like a big investment with all the other games coming out.

:lol

besides Infamous, what other critically acclaimed game is coming out soon? Don't day Bionic Commando.

The game will be as long as it takes you to master each fighter. I hear it gets pretty difficult.

Struct09 · (05-20-2009, 07:21 PM)

Originally Posted by ChrisGoldstein:

Yeah how long is the game 50 bucks seems like a big investment with all the other games coming out.

13 regular career fights, probably take you ~4-6 hrs your first time through
13 title defense fights, will take you a lot longer than the regular fights
78 exhibition challenges, these will take a really long time to get

And then there's content surrounding a secret fighter, which adds more to the above.

The game is much more beefy than you would think.

tengiants · (05-20-2009, 07:21 PM)

Originally Posted by ChrisGoldstein:

Yeah how long is the game 50 bucks seems like a big investment with all the other games coming out.

:lol

About an hour long.

Wii Will Rock U · (05-20-2009, 07:23 PM)

GOT IT! :D

Picked up the nunchuck bundle at the Target next to the Kids Health Club I work at and brought it to wok since the kids I work with get to play Wii after they finish their weight curcuits and cardio exercises. I'm requiring the kids to use the motion contorls though otherwise it's not an exercise, :lol

We'll see how the kids like it!

DeathbyVolcano · (05-20-2009, 07:29 PM)

So I have trouble with Great Tiger yet 1st Round destroy Soda Popinski? I am an odd Punch-Out!! player.

koam · (05-20-2009, 07:30 PM)

Last fight was disappointing as hell. even Nick Bruiser was harder than this.

SpacePirate Ridley · (05-20-2009, 07:54 PM)

OMG Piston Honda II is reading a manga:lol :lol :lol

Struct09 · (05-20-2009, 08:05 PM)

Originally Posted by koam:

Last fight was disappointing as hell. even Nick Bruiser was harder than this.

I assume you mean the last fight of regular career? Start up Title Defense, Glass Joe wants to have a word with you.

dcdobson · (05-20-2009, 08:18 PM)

Got all the way through Soda Popinski last night. In my opinion, he's been by far the hardest fighter. Thank God for the exhibition mode.

Mdk7 · (05-20-2009, 08:31 PM)

The gameplay is so good... even if it's not a proper evolution of Punch-Out (it's clearly NOT designed around the motion control) it's really a blast to play.

-PXG- · (05-20-2009, 08:35 PM)

Is it me, or is this game harder than the first one on the NES?

SpacePirate Ridley · (05-20-2009, 08:38 PM)

We need to start doing a neogaf guide for the boxer achievements. Some of the are fucking hard. Only have completed Glass Joe's and Von Kaiser's.

Originally Posted by -PXG-:

Is it me, or is this game harder than the first one on the NES?

It is.

Vinci · (05-20-2009, 08:44 PM)

Originally Posted by SpacePirate Ridley:

It is.

Huh? Seriously?

I'm waiting. Waiting. Waiting.

Damn it.

-PXG- · (05-20-2009, 08:45 PM)

Originally Posted by SpacePirate Ridley:

We need to start doing a neogaf guide for the boxer achievements. Some of the are fucking hard. Only have completed Glass Joe's and Von Kaiser's.

It is.

I haven't played at all today, but I'm gonna knock that motherfucker bact to Mumbai. Great Tiger can go suck a dick. I hate him.

joaomgcd · 08:52 PM

Is it common knowledge that you can basically memorize the various boxers' moves order and react accordingly?

For instance, on Sandman, you can win the first knockdown (on every round) every time if you know he'll do:
2 punches you can dodge quickly
1 "stand still" punch you can get a star on if you punch his face
1 punch you can dodge quickly
1 "stand still" punch you can get a star on if you punch his face
2 punches you can dodge quickly
1 "stand still" punch you can get a star on if you punch his face
3 punches you can dodge quickly
1 "stand still" punch you can get a star on if you punch his face
1 punch you can dodge quickly

I think you get the KO after that and have full stars for the next round which I think he starts with the night-night punch...

So is this just a game of memory?

Glix · (05-20-2009, 08:47 PM)

Originally Posted by Struct09:

I assume you mean the last fight of regular career? Start up Title Defense, Glass Joe wants to have a word with you.

This.

I got my ass handed to me a bunch of times. I was shocked!

Steve Youngblood · (05-20-2009, 08:51 PM)

Originally Posted by Vinci:

Huh? Seriously?

I'm waiting. Waiting. Waiting.

Damn it.

Even the regular mode seems much more difficult to me. Then again, it's hard for me to think back to how difficult the game was when I first played it ~20 years ago. But in that time, I've played so much of the NES game that the patterns of the fighters have become second nature. No matter how long I go without playing that one, I can effortlessly beat everyone in the game aside from Tyson/Dream just because I've played through it hundreds of times over the span of two decades.

I'm finding that my memorization of the old patterns is a strong detriment in this one.

Struct09 · (05-20-2009, 08:53 PM)

Originally Posted by joaomgcd:

Is it common knowledge that you can basically memorize the various boxers' moves order and react accordingly?

...

So is this just a game of memory?

Yes. Did you play the original Punch-Out games?

joaomgcd · (05-20-2009, 08:55 PM)

Originally Posted by Struct09:

Yes. Did you play the original Punch-Out games?

I played it as a kid. Never did I realize the moves had a predetermined order! :lol Shame on me.

Struct09 · (05-20-2009, 08:57 PM)

Originally Posted by joaomgcd:

I played it as a kid. Never did I realize the moves had a predetermined order! :lol Shame on me.

:)

It's one of the things that separates Punch-Out from other boxing games. They belong more in the puzzle genre than they would in the sports genre.

koam · (05-20-2009, 08:58 PM)

Originally Posted by joaomgcd:

Is it common knowledge that you can basically memorize the various boxers' moves order and react accordingly?

For instance, on Sandman, you can win the first knockdown (on every round) every time if you know he'll do:
2 punches you can dodge quickly
1 "stand still" punch you can get a star on if you punch his face
1 punch you can dodge quickly
1 "stand still" punch you can get a star on if you punch his face
2 punches you can dodge quickly
1 "stand still" punch you can get a star on if you punch his face
3 punches you can dodge quickly
1 "stand still" punch you can get a star on if you punch his face
1 punch you can dodge quickly

I think you get the KO after that and have full stars for the next round which I think he starts with the night-night punch...

So is this just a game of memory?

No not really. You need to memorize how to dodge certain moves but boxers tend to vary shit up.

Joe Shlabotnik · (05-20-2009, 09:04 PM)

Originally Posted by koam:

No not really. You need to memorize how to dodge certain moves but boxers tend to vary shit up.

Correct, some (maybe most) patterns can be memorized but the boxers do vary their attacks. Sandman does seem to open with the same pattern all the time but he always switches things up afterward.

Their attacks can also change based on whether you (or they) dodge/get hit/knocked down.

Eteric Rice · (05-20-2009, 09:11 PM)

Just had my ass handed to me by Don Flamingo. LOL

To add to the above discussion. Sometimes they change the direction that they punch, too.

koam · (05-20-2009, 09:16 PM)

How do you beat von kaiser the second time? I can't dodge that punch he does when he gets up.

markatisu · (05-20-2009, 09:36 PM)

I am stuck at Soda Popinski, what are his signs? I always move the wrong way and pay the price

Space A Cobra · (05-20-2009, 09:58 PM)

Originally Posted by koam:

How do you beat von kaiser the second time? I can't dodge that punch he does when he gets up.

You just dodge to the left or the right. First knock down you need to dodge to the right. Second knock down you need to dodge to the left.

From there you just need to get the timing and not panic. Wait to see what side of the screen he's on right before he does his super attack, then move in the opposite direction quickly. Once you have it down it's easy.

Wii Will Rock U · (05-20-2009, 10:53 PM)

Originally Posted by markatisu:

I am stuck at Soda Popinski, what are his signs? I always move the wrong way and pay the price

Same situation only I don't know how to stop him from re-gaining energy in his bottle. Otherwise, I get his patterns.