[BattleMonkey]

Me n' my dad are thinking of buying a high caliber revolver to shoot at the range. They're dead accurate, but not semi-automatic unfortunately.

Revolvers are nice really, always feel so smooth to fire compared to the extra movement you get from the slide on a semiauto.

[andycapps]

MAn, i never really had a stance on gun ownership until i read this thread. Now i wish i lived in the US for this reason (fuck allowing guns in the UK i'm not having some these absolute faggots running around with guns). More pictures of your guns!

Haha, contrary to some's opinion on here we don't walk around shooting everything that moves. Personally, I can't hunt. I don't want to kill a living thing, period. But, if it came down to killing someone if they broke into my house and were threatening my family, I would. For me, I have a gun mainly for home defense in case someone breaks in and isn't scared to death by our boxer (I don't think he'd bite anyone, but he has a loud bark and is huge). It's also just a lot of fun to go to the firing range and blow about $50 worth of ammo in about 20 minutes. :lol

Revolvers are nice really, always feel so smooth to fire compared to the extra movement you get from the slide on a semiauto.

Yeah, I like revolvers, especially some Smith and Wesson .357's that I've shot before. My dad has Ruger .357 and it's nice as well. Only thing I don't like is unless you cock the tricker, you've got a lot of trigger to pull. It's not hard if you're used to it, it's just not nearly as easy to do as having the gun automatically do the work for you on a semi-auto.


Has anyone seem videos of the Glock 23 being modded for full auto? Youtube full auto Glock 23 if you haven't. Pretty crazy. :lol

[MidnightRider]

some nice guns in here.

not to brag but nothing to my collection.

[Aselith]

some nice guns in here. not to brag but nothing to my collection.

Your words mean nothing until you post pictures.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

I'm actually pro-gun control.

That being said,

Remington 700
Remington 870
H&K USP 9mm
Kimber Tactical Entry II
Springfield SOCOM II

Why? Because guns are neat and the law says I can own them. However, we do need gun control. There is no Godly reason I should own.....well, anything below the first two. But I can, so I do.

[kingofrod]

If you want a really good cheap 1911, look up Rock Island Armory. From everyone that I've talked to that have bought them, they were really happy with it. Again, I would suggest to not get the GI version though.

Thanks to you and stidave, I really appreciate the help!

[Sallokin]

Went to the range today and fired a SCAR-H and an FS2000. Both are quite awesome. the FS2000 is the first bullpup rifle I've fired and I enjoyed it, but I think I'm honestly in love with the SCAR. Definitely one of the nicest rifles I've ever fired.

[RapidCancel]

Bumping this up again. Anything new with you guys? I just got my upper for my AR15! After installing the DD 7.0 Omega rail..here it is!




Just need to get a rear sight and the tan ladder covers and I'm finished!

[Zyzyxxz]

not much going on from my end, I'm thinking about getting in on that Civ Marksman Program so I can get the government to ship me a M1 Garand directly.

[Zyzyxxz]

If you want a really good cheap 1911, look up Rock Island Armory. From everyone that I've talked to that have bought them, they were really happy with it. Again, I would suggest to not get the GI version though.

Thank you sir!

I've wanted a 1911 forever but the insane prices for a plain jane 1911 are ridiculous.

[RapidCancel]

^^ I wouldn't mind a M1 myself...What is the Civ Marksman program?

[Zyzyxxz]

^^ I wouldn't mind a M1 myself...What is the Civ Marksman program?

http://www.thecmp.org/

basically you sign up with some kind of shooting club/organization and attend one event and then the government will directly sell you an M1 Garand without the need of a FFL

[RapidCancel]

^ That sounds pretty awesome. I've always wanted to take a shooting class of some sort, anything really..but never gotten around to it. Maybe whenever I get a lot of free time.

The RIA 1911 will be great, esp if you don't plan on doing anything to it. I used to see it go for $400 - $500. Dunno if the prices have been affected any, I think they've gained quite a lot of popularity.

[stldave2]

The RIA 1911 will be great, esp if you don't plan on doing anything to it. I used to see it go for $400 - $500. Dunno if the prices have been affected any, I think they've gained quite a lot of popularity.

I'd recommend a trigger job, but those are cheap!

The 1911 does seem to be en vogue right now. I can't wait until it gets colder out, slim fit clothes and a 1911 don't mesh!

[RapidCancel]

^ Couldn't agree more...even though the gun is nice and slim, the full size is still way too big. I usually carry mine inside my messenger bag :lol

[Lionheart1827]

I'm still in the process of getting my pistol application and materials in order. Just need one more signature from a reference and get my app notarized then I can finally begin the long ass process of getting the license.

Got:
Application filled out with 3 references signed(need one more)
3 notarized separate affadvits for each reference(need one more)
copy of birth cert
driver abstract(for speeding about a year ago)
10 dollar check
tax bill(proof of residence)

Pretty much I got half the hard part done, the other half is just waiting months. :(

BTW I'm always scared this thread will fall behind and never get bumped again. :lol

[jason10mm]

Damn, what state/country do you live in with those kind of requirements for a pistol permit? Even HAWAII isn't that bad, and they are are tough as it gets without an outright ban.

FWIW, the CMP is no longer a direct government agency, they are now a private company. The way it works is you demonstrate membership in a shooting club (couple different ways to do this; be military, join a club, have a C&R license, etc) because their charter is to promote civilian marksmanship. Then you go through a background check. If it clears, there are a couple different types of weapons they offer. I have a M1 Garand and a 1903 Springfield from them. Always wanted that Kimber precision .22 they sell as well.

And ChiTownBuffalo, how can you possibly think you deserve to have a long range high power sniper rifle (the Rem 700) and a close range high power blaster (the 870) but NOT a couple of little pistols and a semi-automatic rifle? I'm interested in your reasoning. The ones you think you shouldn't have are the LEAST dangerous weapons you own!

[ChiTownBuffalo]

I dunno, I just don't think its necessary for people to own handguns. If you practice shooting, are a good shot and take your time to shoot, all you need is a rifle and shotgun for home defense.

That being said, I really like handguns. But the City of Chicago says I can't have them in my house.

[dmann]

So I'm finally in a position to purchase a gun. Check this sweet thing out. It's perfect for what I want, a small weapon easily concealed for those late nights coming out of the casino. It shouldn't be more than $800 after the gun, bullets, holster, concealed permit, and registration. Anyone one own one and have any thoughts they would like to share?

Good gun, I carry a Glock 27 (.40 cal). I purchased mine for $375 used w/ 2 magazines with extender grip on each one.

I keep a Remington 870 Express, and SIG P226 at home for defense.

[jason10mm]

I dunno, I just don't think its necessary for people to own handguns. If you practice shooting, are a good shot and take your time to shoot, all you need is a rifle and shotgun for home defense. That being said, I really like handguns. But the City of Chicago says I can't have them in my house.

Isn't necessary for EVERYONE, or just you? If that is how you feel, then why do you own any (and I salute your choice, BTW, Kimber FTW!)? What about old ladies who can't handle a shotgun? Shouldn't they be able to defend themselves? What about folks in wheelchairs, or who only have one arm? Handguns serve many uses, they are just a tool.

Do you think it is wrong for the city of Chicago to unilaterally ban an inanimate object with no will of its own? Last I checked, parts of Chicago is a gang laden hellhole with plenty of guns, thus the law only restricts honest citizens like yourself, not the criminals. Does that make any sense? You say you like them, and they are LEGAL in most of the US, so why restrict them in one city?

On a lighter note, who here has gotten their wife/SO a pink gun as a means of sneaking yet another lead slinger into the house? It still shoots and that is all that matters, right? :)

[dmann]

On a lighter note, who here has gotten their wife/SO a pink gun as a means of sneaking yet another lead slinger into the house? It still shoots and that is all that matters, right? :)

My wife actually purchased a S&W .357 Special with a pink handle. I was surprised when she brough it home, the damn thing shoots pretty well.

[Willectro]

I dunno, I just don't think its necessary for people to own handguns. If you practice shooting, are a good shot and take your time to shoot, all you need is a rifle and shotgun for home defense. That being said, I really like handguns. But the City of Chicago says I can't have them in my house.

Kinda hard to fit a shotgun in a drawer, etc. I just don't get that standpoint. All 3 are equally as dangerous in the wrong hands. If you truly want to own a gun for 'home defense', then a handgun is the most logical choice. It's built for one, and only one purpose which is dropping people within short ranges. Now obviously people target shoot with them, etc. But it would be a real stretch (and some people claim they do) to say that you use handguns for hunting. :lol

[jason10mm]

I dunno, the longer barreled revolvers are excellent for hunting, particularly in heavy brush where a rifle might get hung up. Ever shoot the S&W 500? Accurate has hell and that beast will drop anything on the planet! The .22 Buckmarks and Ruger 10/22s are good squirrel blasters as well. I've met folks who went hunting with Shaquille O'neal, said he used a Desert Eagle :)

[JayDubya]

I think you're correct about shotguns for home defense, but so is the guy who said you can't put a shotgun in a drawer or a small bedsafe.

And you can't practically carry a shotgun for personal defense outside of the home, even if you would want to (which you shouldn't) or you were allowed to (you usually aren't).

Which is where a CCW handgun fits the bill nicely.

[andycapps]

I dunno, I just don't think its necessary for people to own handguns. If you practice shooting, are a good shot and take your time to shoot, all you need is a rifle and shotgun for home defense. That being said, I really like handguns. But the City of Chicago says I can't have them in my house.

A rifle for home defense? Good lord.. that'd be ridiculous. Shoot the burglar and have the bullet travel another mile or so and endanger other, innocent people. No thanks. And shotgun for home defense? Yeah if it's one of the compact ones, no thanks if it's a hunting shotgun. But I prefer a handgun, much smaller and less likelihood of making a literal mess if I needed to use it.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

My shotgun is a Remington 870, with an 18 inch barrel, I have a 2 shell addition. So I have 8 shells, It is stacked 2 rock salt, 2 birdshot, 3 buckshot, 1 slug. It's more than enough for home defense. I don't need to keep it in a drawer, I keep it in a panic box which is attached to the bottom of my bed.

I'm fully under the impression of racking a shot in the dark will more than likely make someone leave my premises. And I'm not really feeling like killing someone until I have to.

As for the rilfe, I dunno, I grew up in the country. Wasn't that unusual for people to have rifle for home defense as well. Is the Remington 700 a good home defense rifle? Heck no. I just like having it.

As far as owning handguns, I am not allowed to have handguns in the city of Chicago. Is the rule annoying? Meh. I guess so, but I am also a gun control advocate, I jhad handguns because I liked them and I could legally have them, prior to my move to Chicago.

I work in an field where it would behoove me to be above reproach when it came to matters such as having handguns illegally in my home.

Also, i beleive the shotgun is the superior home defense weapon. Point and shoot. No need to precision aim. Especially given how freaking adrenaline rushed someone may be when defending their home.

[jason10mm]

Dammit Jaydubya, why did you have to post in this thread? Now those folks on the walmart ammo thread are REALLY gonna think we are the same person :)

ChiTownBuffalo, I respect your choices, especially where you live. I just hope your desire for SOME gun control doesn't bite you when it becomes TOTAL gun control.

BTW, where do you get rock salt shotgun shells? I've heard of them, but have never actually seen any for sale anywhere. Make them yourself?

I have an 870 as well, pimped that sucker out with a collapsible stock, pistol grip, red dot sight, ammo carrier on the receiver, and surefire foreend. Did it all in my younger years and find it a PITA to shoot. Would change it back to the simple config except I spent all that money and don't want to waste it :P

Prefer the mossberg anyway, as I am a lefty.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

ChiTownBuffalo, I respect your choices, especially where you live. I just hope your desire for SOME gun control doesn't bite you when it becomes TOTAL gun control.

I wish I had gotten a Mossberg 500 now too.

As far as gun control. I think there needs to be tighter regulation on who can buy what. I think if you're a law abiding citizen, I don't have too much of a problem of what one can purchase. But if you've had a past history of crime, mental issues which show a tendency towards impulse control issues or violent behavior, I'm not so keen on you owning a firearm. I think all firearm owners should HAVE to pass a class before being allowed to own a firearm of any kind.

As a matter of personal taste, I'm not real high on the type of guy who has the assualt rifle with the C Mag, and has the philosophy of volume of firepower over precision. *edit* I see no reason why anyone outside of military or law enforcement should need to own a submachine gun. That's my one thing. I don't have a problem with assualt rifle ownership, I own a SOCOM II, but something about the compact, concealable, high volume of fire nature of a submachine gun, just doesn't sit right with me.

Yeah, I wish I had the Kimber in my house. But I can't. So the shotty is a good compromise. And its simple and direct enough that the if the gf is home alone and God fordbid someone gets in, she can deal with business.

Ideally, I'd get my hands on some flash bangs too, so I could disorient said intruder, and then shoot them with rock salt.

As for protection out on the street. Meh, I don't go anywhere skecthy or go places where I would need to carry a handgun. Honestly, the only "crime" I've dealt with here so far, is a bunch of loud, drunk, popped collar types. No gi jiujitsu and just laughing and going home has helped me out alot more with that than a firearm would.

[jason10mm]

I dunno man, that SOCOM II in the hands of a guy who can make her sing is WAY more lethal than any submachine gun. 20 rounds of 7.62 FTW!

I have a regular M1a, would LOVE to get a SOCOM, but damned if those things aren't expensive. AKs and AR-15s are much cheaper.

Right now no felon or certified mentally disabled guy can legally get a gun, and by the time you jump through the hoops to get a Class 3 full auto firearm you might as well be a cop or soldier. Our system works if they would just lock up the violent types and let out all the stoner pot-heads.

Would make Saturday nights a lot easier on the cops, that is for sure!

"10-4, we gotta a report about a domestic disturbance."

"Roger, checking it out."

"Base, that report is a no go. Guy said he was going to hit his wife because they were out of cheetos, but then he fell asleep. False alarm, over."

[ChiTownBuffalo]

I traded an Olympic Arms CAR-15 and a Chinese Type 56 for the SOCOM II, plus cash.

I was throughly happy though.

My thing with the submachine guns is, your homocidal idiot typically isn't going to run around with a something like that. He's gonna roll with a shitty Tec-9, Mac 11 or similar knockoff.

I'm glad I don't have teh CAr-15 anymore, as 5.56 is pretty pricey now.

[eznark]

Sister in law made her husband get rid of a few handguns. Since I've been looking at Springfield's he let me have this XD 40. Hoping to get out to the range today to see what I'll give him for it. Any opinions on fair price?

[andycapps]

Sister in law made her husband get rid of a few handguns. Since I've been looking at Springfield's he let me have this XD 40. Hoping to get out to the range today to see what I'll give him for it. Any opinions on fair price?

Somewhere in the $400 range maybe. How many extra clips he has may bump up the price a bit. Good gun though, from what I hear.

[eznark]

Don't the brand new XDm's go for $550-600 ish. No way I'm giving him $400 for a 4 year old gun when I can get a new and improved model for slightly over.

Of course, if I like this I'll just end up picking up an XDm anyway.

[dmann]

If you were to buy that gun at a gun shop used with (5) magazines, it would run you around $400 - 450, maybe more. Doesn't matter if its 4 years old, as long as the gun is in good condition, it will hold its value.

[eznark]

Sure, but when new/improved models exist, it doesn't make much sense as a buyer to go with the XD to save $150 bucks.

I doubt he'll want more than a couple hundred bucks for it anyway.

[wsippel]

One of the best, most precise guns ever made - it's really expensive, though:

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[andycapps]

Sure, but when new/improved models exist, it doesn't make much sense as a buyer to go with the XD to save $150 bucks. I doubt he'll want more than a couple hundred bucks for it anyway.

Haha, you asked for a reasonable price. $400 ish for the gun and that many mags is a fair price, but if you could get him into the $300 range you'd be getting a steal. Call up a local gun shop to see if they have any used models in stock or how much a 4 year old XD would run if they did. Then about $25-50 less than that would be fair price, I'd think.

[eznark]

Haha, you asked for a reasonable price. $400 ish for the gun and that many mags is a fair price, but if you could get him into the $300 range you'd be getting a steal. Call up a local gun shop to see if they have any used models in stock or how much a 4 year old XD would run if they did. Then about $25-50 less than that would be fair price, I'd think.

I was just curious because I don't want to be a jerk about it. He's getting rid of it because my sister in law is kind of a bitch, don't want to compound the problem for him.

I'm honestly not even sure he'll make me give him anything for it. He just gave it to me yesterday and said we'd work something out.

[Drastic]

IMO, a sawed-off 12 gauge is excellent for home protection. Your aim doesn't have to be perfect and if it doesn't knock them down, the bang is louder than a handgun and will more likely incite fear and flight.

If it's 4am, dark and I'm maybe a bit disoriented, I'd rather have a 12 gauge for these reasons.

Second choice and available as backup is a revolver. They fire the round, every time you pull the trigger. No worries about smokestacking or weak magazine springs.

[BattleMonkey]

IMO, a sawed-off

Problem is then getting caught with a sawed-off.

[Lionheart1827]

Damn, what state/country do you live in with those kind of requirements for a pistol permit? Even HAWAII isn't that bad, and they are are tough as it gets without an outright ban.

Long Island, NY.

You should go see what its like in NYC, its like that for long guns as well.

[Drastic]

Problem is then getting caught with a sawed-off.

How would you get caught with it? If authorities find this weapon in my home, I have bigger issues than having possession of it. And I can always get another.

[Yoritomo]

I'd recommend a trigger job, but those are cheap! The 1911 does seem to be en vogue right now. I can't wait until it gets colder out, slim fit clothes and a 1911 don't mesh!

Actually I've found carrying a shorter barrelled 1911 quite comfortable due to the slimmer single stack magazines. It's the width that kills when carrying for long periods of time. Primarily the width at the butt of the gun.

[Yoritomo]

Kinda hard to fit a shotgun in a drawer, etc. I just don't get that standpoint. All 3 are equally as dangerous in the wrong hands. If you truly want to own a gun for 'home defense', then a handgun is the most logical choice. It's built for one, and only one purpose which is dropping people within short ranges. Now obviously people target shoot with them, etc. But it would be a real stretch (and some people claim they do) to say that you use handguns for hunting. :lol

There's also the matter of kids. I would agree that a shotgun makes a good home defense weapon however making it inaccesible to children also makes it inaccesible to you in a short period of time.

Handguns are easier to secure from children while still being quickly accessible. I agree with you.

[Lionheart1827]

Ahh the thread bounced back up woo.

Sent my application out last week. Hopefully in a few weeks I'll get my interview and wait the longggggg wait.

[Cindres]

How would you get caught with it? If authorities find this weapon in my home, I have bigger issues than having possession of it. And I can always get another.

Sawed offs are illegal? How come?

[Lionheart1827]

Sawed offs are illegal? How come?

I could imagine since its easily concealed, but I dont know the legality of states other than my own(NY) which is pretty damn strict.

[Musashi Wins!]

Sawed offs are illegal? How come?

I think it's concealment, but they are illegal (I think) in most states.

I have a Mossberg 500 for home protection. I've owned a lot of guns, but it's the most imposing looking firearm I've owned. Unfortunately, that wouldn't probably be enough if I ever had to use it.

[BattleMonkey]

Yes sawed off shotguns are illegal in many if not most states.

How would you get caught with it? If authorities find this weapon in my home, I have bigger issues than having possession of it. And I can always get another.

Your recommending it for home defense.... if you use it for that purpose, the cops are going to find the shot gun. Unless you plan on hiding the body and hopefully no neighbors heard anything.

Your not going to shoot someone and hide the weapon. The guy just fell over will little pellet wounds..... no idea what happened officer.

[Willectro]

Sawed offs are illegal? How come?

No 'real' legal use.

For instance handguns, one could argue, could be used for sporting purposes (target shooting, etc), and in some cases for defense. Sawed-off shotguns don't really have any use other than the concealment of a shotgun for use over very small distances. Which I would hazard a guess is more than 99% of the time for crime.

Guns generally fall into categories based on barrel lengths. In Canada at least (and I'm sure a few states most likely), certain rifles are allowed under a certain tier of license and one of the main factors is barrel/overall length. Think about if you are the government making the laws. Why would people realistically need sawed offs? I'm the first person to say that one firearm is as dangerous as the next, and I can definitely see both sides of the argument.