[liquidatedbrains]

oh you people and your over reactions.:lol 90% of you screaming "death to activision" are gonna be posting with your nightvision goggles on, on november 10th

/agree

[Lostconfused]

Fuck these guys. Trying to shame people into un-canceling their pre-orders by calling them teeth gnashing nerds? Come on. I'll save my money for a company that wants to develop a PC game.

yo sir might be interested in what Dice has to offer.

[gregor7777]

Whoa, Dice laid it the fuck down. :lol

[x3n05]

oh you people and your over reactions.:lol 90% of you screaming "death to activision" are gonna be posting with your nightvision goggles on, on november 10th

Nice assumption junior, and you know what they say about making those...

[Fredescu]

link?

zerk16's reply here: http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/li...7.page#3106950

I think there's another couple, but that's a good one.

Edit: oh, you meant the podcast not the DICE comments.

[Calcaneus]

It would have been bad enough if the writer didn't feel like he needed to insult people who don't like the move.

Whatevs, buy the PC games that do it right, fuck the ones that don't. That's basically the choice I'm left with, and MW2 fucked themselves over in that regard.

[cameltoe]

I'm gonna take all the copies of GI that I've gotten for free over the years, put them on a rack, then knock it the fuck over.

LOL

[AkuMifune]

Wow, so let's see here:

I thought IW sounded arrogant when they knocked Treyarch's WaW, which turned out way better than anyone expected, shame on them for looking childish.

I thought IW came across as assholes when they claimed they couldn't do co-op in the SP campaign because it would ruin the "cinematic experience". (lulz)

Now they look like even bigger jerks for dismissing the PC community completely, as if what they're creating is golden perfection that would be tainted by the filthy hands of PC gamers.

MW2 will probably be an amazing game that will sell millions of copies, but they've got Activisions arrogant greedy stink all over them. Whatever, it's not like I can bring myself to pass this up, I'm just hoping for some karmic retribution at some point.

[Fredescu]

These posts are the worst - people trying to project their own complacency and lack of backbone on others.

They won't be as bad as the posts when the sales figures come out. "see guys, you didn't make a difference, everyone bought the inferior product anyway" :smug:.

[Rayme]

Call of Duty games don't match you based on skill level. Ever. [...] just find any random game based on the play list you're in, and dump you into it.

MW1 on 360/PS3 does have skill-based matchmaking.

(It doesn't match based on your rank, though. Because anyone, given enough time, can level up. That's probably where the confusion is.)

[Haunted]

link?

For the podcast or the comments? :p

DICE comment on official forum.

Podcast, skip to 1h38 in.

[Jackl]

oh you people and your over reactions.:lol 90% of you screaming "death to activision" are gonna be posting with your nightvision goggles on, on november 10th

Nope, I'll be too busy playing either Dragon Age, L4D2, or Borderlands. Whoever wants my dollar more. Holidays going to be tight this year so I can only afford two at most.

Shitting on me is good way to help me choose.

[Foxtastical]

It would have been bad enough if the writer didn't feel like he needed to insult people who don't like the move. Whatevs, buy the PC games that do it right, fuck the ones that don't. That's basically the choice I'm left with, and MW2 fucked themselves over in that regard.

I've never, ever seen a hard news article insult a portion of its readership/audience. Well, I did once in a class where we were editing bad articles.

So yeah, how does this stuff go through the editorial process? For real, I don't get it. We'd have articles get bounced back and forth 4-5 times.

[legend166]

This is what happens when people pay $50 a year for P2P multiplayer.

[Cheeto]

MW2 will probably be an amazing game that will sell millions of copies, but they've got Activisions arrogant greedy stink all over them. Whatever, it's not like I can bring myself to pass this up, I'm just hoping for some karmic retribution at some point.

WHY!? What the fuck is so great about these games!?

[Calcaneus]

WHY!? What the fuck is so great about these games!?

I know, its not the only FPS out there by any means, nothing to totally betray your standards over.

[Lostconfused]

They won't be as bad as the posts when the sales figures come out. "see guys, you didn't make a difference, everyone bought the inferior product anyway" :smug:.

That's when you fire up Dragon Age on PC, or borderlands what have you, and immerse your self in an rpg for a few days until Left 4 dead 2 comes out.

[chubigans]

skip to 1hr 29. starts off reasonable enough, but quickly nose dives into "wait till you see our splash page come november, yo".

Are you seriously saying GiantBomb is towing the company line here? Do you really think that? Really?

I want you to remember how GiantBomb was created, and how one of it's members ended up there. Think really hard about that.

Maybe it's possible they don't care as much or have that deep an understanding of PC game communities than you do. Is it that hard to figure out?

[traveler]

Well, I just went and pre-ordered Dragon Age: Origins and L4D2 with the money I did have budgeted for MW2, just in case my backbone isn't as strong as I think it is. Now, even I do break down and decide to buy it, I won't be able to. :lol

[Flambe]

Man..

Jacking the price up. I was kinda put out by this, but fuck I buy PS3 games all the time so whatever, I'd get my money's worth.

Dedicated servers gone. This was a kick to the nuts, but I've enjoyed CoD's single player a lot and maybe it wouldn't be so bad.

But this? Should've kept your mouths closed

[Zefah]

So they are basically saying that mods are pointless. Aren't some of the modes in CoD4 based on mods? Pretty sure I remember IW saying that they put in hardcore mode because the realistic mod (I don't know the name of the mod) was so popular in earlier CoD games on PC. And Search & Destroy is obviously inspired by CS, which was a mod to begin with.

Pretty much all competitive modes besides basic deathmatch originated from mods.

[AkuMifune]

WHY!? What the fuck is so great about these games!?

In my opinion, not much actually. It's more of a cultural watershed because so many people will be playing the MP. There's a good chance it will be the most popular MP game on either platform, ever, and it's fun to be part of something so massive and mindless. You know, like a riot or a religion. :D

[ZombieSupaStar]

WHY!? What the fuck is so great about these games!?

the heavy scripting makes the game very cinematic, id say its the hl style taking to the Xtreme, altho I think hl2 is a much more polished and fun experience than CoD4, but that universe is a bit more subtle and not so much HURF RAMBO!, so it naturally appeals abit less to mainstream gamers.

They won't be as bad as the posts when the sales figures come out. "see guys, you didn't make a difference, everyone bought the inferior product anyway" :smug:.

oh itll be the same as the old, if you dont like america then leave!, but then if you actually do the butthurt ramps up 500%.

In my opinion, not much actually. It's more of a cultural watershed because so many people will be playing the MP. There's a good chance it will be the most popular MP game on either platform, ever, and it's fun to be part of something so massive and mindless. You know, like a riot or a religion. :D

play WoW, it has a playerbase that dwarfs CoD

[Kibbles]

zerk16's reply here: http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/li...7.page#3106950 I think there's another couple, but that's a good one. Edit: oh, you meant the podcast not the DICE comments.

Wow, read zerks comments,

and then this

So DICE's logic in a nutshell: "Because we screwed over our PC fanbase, now we have to screw over our console fanbase to make things even

You know, I love DICE, but after reading zerk's comments... I can't help but feel they are screwing over the console users. MW2 is screwing over PC users and DICE is screwing over console users. Yay? I'm not boycotting them or anything, I understand most of their points, but they should try and make an effort instead of touting it like it's something to be proud of.

[Salacious Crumb]

That giant bomb podcast was embarrassing. PC gamers are so under represented in mainstream games media. I wish the GFW guys were still around.


......I hope Idle Thumbs rips this to shreds.

[ZombieSupaStar]

This made me lol, because the PC has higher resolution, it gets prone and console doesn't. :lol

well half the pixels means a guy prone in the distance goes from like OOO to ooo, unless it had aimbot autoaim, im assuming itd be pretty hard to hit them.

[Draft]

Are you seriously saying GiantBomb is towing the company line here? Do you really think that? Really?

Toeing.

[Lostconfused]

Wow, read zerks comments, and then this You know, I love DICE, but after reading zerk's comments... I can't help but feel they are screwing over the console users. MW2 is screwing over PC users and DICE is screwing over console users. Yay?

Well if you read the full post you would see that this is not pure speculation on the part of Dice. I am inclined to believe them when they say that during their play tests prone lead to too much camping and slowed down the game too much thus making it less fun.

[Zzoram]

That giant bomb podcast was embarrassing. PC gamers are so under represented in mainstream games media. I wish the GFW guys were still around. ......I hope Idle Thumbs rips this to shreds.

Basically. Every time anyone talks about PC, they either sound like idiots pretending to know what they are talking about, or they have nothing to say because they just don't know anything about it.

Idle Thumbs is pretty good with PC though, and has become my favourite podcast.

[Fredescu]

You know, I love DICE, but after reading zerk's comments... I can't help but feel they are screwing over the console users. MW2 is screwing over PC users and DICE is screwing over console users. Yay?

They're not removing any features that already existed in previous versions and they gave very good gameplay reasons for the difference in feature sets between the console and PC version of the sequel. It's not even close to the same as the IW issue.

[Zzoram]

well half the pixels means a guy prone in the distance goes from like OOO to ooo, unless it had aimbot autoaim, im assuming itd be pretty hard to hit them.

Ya, it seems the issue is low resolution makes it hard to see or shoot prone guys on console.

[Kibbles]

They're not removing any features that already existed in previous versions and they gave very good gameplay reasons for the difference in feature sets between the console and PC version of the sequel. It's not even close to the same as the IW issue.

Don't get me wrong, I could care less for prone, I'm glad it's gone. However other features like player count is disappointing. They said the console versions of the game run off dedicated servers too, and OXM said a while back that BFBC2 would have 40 player online. DICE have since set that back to 24. Shame. It works well for Rush, but not for conquest.

[chubigans]

Toeing.

I like my spelling better. Gets the point across more clearily.

[Druz]

I'm gonna take all the copies of GI that I've gotten for free over the years, put them on a rack, then knock it the fuck over.

Seriously though.. "We just want people to be able to play it lololol" is sickening. Like booting up a PC game is fucking rocket science. The only thing that ruined the PC CODs was the horrible choice to use Punkbuster.

[jaundicejuice]

Yeah... nerds and ad sellers... Whoever wrote that article seems to really be eating it all up, but it's not only his opinion I have an issue with, it's the way he expressed it. We need more a lot more gaming journalists who know how to write an article in a professional manner, taking into consideration both sides' argument and leaving it open rather than trying to force their opinion across. As the article reads, it questions both GI's motive and bias. Poor. Just poor.

I couldn't agree more with the bolded. I wish that the enthusiast press would really question who benefits the most from this decision, it clearly isn't the end user. Sadly I think most will just take the same tone as Game Informer's advertorial, can't wait to see more pejoratives thrown at people because they have a legitimate complaint. How many times do you think will entitlement be thrown around?

[Draft]

I like my spelling better. Gets the point across more clearily.

That's not really how writing works.

[ZombieSupaStar]

Seriously though.. "We just want people to be able to play it lololol" is sickening. Like booting up a PC game is fucking rocket science. The only thing that ruined the PC CODs was the horrible choice to use Punkbuster.

:whipwhip

[ghst]

Seriously though.. "We just want people to be able to play it lololol" is sickening. Like booting up a PC game is fucking rocket science. The only thing that ruined the PC CODs was the horrible choice to use Punkbuster.

/magic recharging health.

[Calcaneus]

I like my spelling better. Gets the point across more clearily.

So they are towing the line? Where are they putting it?

[EmCeeGramr]

GiantBomb is pulling a company fishing line behind their boat.

[Jackl]

I like how the entire issue why dedicated servers and server browsing aren't in because of CHEATERS AND PIRATES.

Maybe someone else can come up with some hard numbers, but a quick google shows that CoD4 PC sold roughly 2million copies. 2million is considered bad now? Or is it because those 2million can't be suckered into buying map packs? While drawing players bit by bit from the other 8 million copies sold on consoles away from their nickle and dime shops and substandard quality.

[ZombieSupaStar]

I couldn't agree more with the bolded. I wish that the enthusiast press would really question who benefits the most from this decision, it clearly isn't the end user. Sadly I think most will just take the same tone as Game Informer's advertorial, can't wait to see more pejoratives thrown at people because they have a legitimate complaint. How many times do you think will entitlement be thrown around?

Dude the vast majority (not all!) are just slobbering fan boys that get wood over talking with developers, they suckle any teet they can and hope they can con their way into their dream job of game development. Either that or they have to swallow their pride on their personal stance towards something, and put on a facade less they get gerstmann'd, the only saying is kinda true, there are only 2 times when you really have power to tell someone to piss off, when you have nothing to lose, or youre so damn high up that you cant be touched.

[derder]

Seriously though.. "We just want people to be able to play it lololol" is sickening. Like booting up a PC game is fucking rocket science. The only thing that ruined the PC CODs was the horrible choice to use Punkbuster.

where is that from?

[Ysiadmihi]

Ew at the Giant Bomb stuff. More reason to hate that site/podcast.

[ZombieSupaStar]

where is that from?

i think that is whippinsean body splashing a bed of game informers, how did you not know this?

[Druz]

/magic recharging health.

Well I'm talking more along the lines of ease of use. Punkbuster kicking you out for error code# 2387234DGHsehsdf34785. Recharging health is a different beast

i think that is whippinsean body splashing a bed of game informers, how did you not know this?

Pretty sure its EGMs

[jim-jam bongs]

That's when you fire up the definitive version of Dragon Age on PC, or the definitive version of Borderlands (on PC) what have you, and immerse your self in an rpg for a few days until the definitive version of Left 4 dead 2 comes out.

Fixed. Activision has become a fantastic marketer for games made by other people!

[chubigans]

That's not really how writing works.

And yet I can shape words better than what they originally were. I bet you wish you had that kind of talent.

[Draft]

And yet I can shape words better than what they originally were. I bet you wish you had that kind of talent.

OK, you made a mistake, you are a little embarrassed, we can drop this. Just remember in the future it's toe the line.

[traveler]

Also, WTF is up with the comments on that article?

Good for IW. Don't take the heat right. And with dedicated servers they are just one step closer to having PC vs. X-Box (for those who think they can handle mouse vs. sticks). I think this is a good move.

pc gamer has been spoiled. Console gamers has played cod 4 whit out dedicated servers and stuff and we are just fine.

:lol :lol :lol

Yep. This makes sense, and the points put forward are valid. But that doesn't change the fact that there are going to people that can't handle change and want it to remain the same because the previous way was better for a SMALL portion of the populace, and this will be better for the MAJORITY.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

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