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Hero of Legend
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(11-19-2009, 12:32 AM)
 
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OFLC reveals Sonic Classic Collection for DS, BBFC reveals its contents. #1

http://www.oflc.gov.au/www/cob/find....b!OpenDocument

http://aussie-nintendo.com/news/20456/



http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classi...a?OpenDocument

Originally Posted by BBFC:
n/a SONIC CLASSIC COLLECTION
n/a SONIC THE HEDGEHOG (GAME)
n/a SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 2 (GAME)
n/a SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 3 (GAME)
n/a SONIC & KNUCKLES (GAME)
n/a KNUCKLES IN SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 2 (GAME)
n/a KNUCKLES IN SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 3 (GAME)
00:00:45:00 SONIC CHRONICLES - THE DARK BROTHERHOOD (VIDEO)
00:03:05:00 THE HISTORY OF SONIC (VIDEO)
n/a SONIC ART (IMAGE GALLERY)
00:05:15:00 SONIC CLASSIC COLLECTION CREDITS
n/a GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE

Uhh, let's hope it turns out better than Sonic Genesis shall we? X( But Sonic Mega Collection and Sonic Gems Collection were awesome!
HUELEN10
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(11-19-2009, 12:34 AM)
 
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#2

I hope this one is actually MADE by Sega and not like STH Genesis for the GBA. I don't like the backbone collections one bit...

Too bad that there are no GG titles on that list. I would kill for Triple Trouble or Sonic 2 on DS, DSi, or PSP.
SecretBonusPoint
(11-19-2009, 12:35 AM)
 
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#3

But Sonic 3 & Knuckles was too big and difficult for them to fit onto the Sega Mega Drive Collection DVD/Blu ray. I don't understand how they managed to fit it onto a DS cart?!!??!

Originally Posted by HUELEN10:
I hope this one is actually MADE by Sega and not like STH Genesis for the GBA. I don't like the backbone collections one bit...

Too bad that there are no GG titles on that list. I would kill for Triple Trouble or Sonic 2 on DS, DSi, or PSP.

How about all 8-bit + 16-bit Sonic games including Sonic CD working flawlessly on PSP? Homebrew dat shit.
[Nintex]
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(11-19-2009, 12:37 AM)
 
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#4

Sega probably had these ready for the DSi Virtual Console that they and everyone in the world expected but it was never released.
Hero of Legend
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(11-19-2009, 12:38 AM)
 
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#5

Originally Posted by SecretBonusPoint:
How about all 8-bit + 16-bit Sonic games including Sonic CD working flawlessly on PSP? Homebrew dat shit.

8-bit games I'm with you on, but maybe CD's out because it originated from a CD and thus is too big to fit with the others? What was it's total size again compared to the Genesis games?

Originally Posted by [Nintex]:
Sega probably had these ready for the DSi Virtual Console that they and everyone in the world expected but it was never released.

That makes sense I suppose. :P
SecretBonusPoint
(11-19-2009, 12:42 AM)
 
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#6

Mega CD Sonic CD takes up i'd say about 150mb. I don't expect them to get that on DS since they havent even managed to get that onto any other services or compilations (Mega CD version, not fucked PC version). Was just saying, I own all the originals and homebrew PicoDrive emulator on PSP fulfills any portable Sonic needs I have at a quality that the "professionals" have yet to surpass.
HUELEN10
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(11-19-2009, 12:43 AM)
 
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#7

Originally Posted by SecretBonusPoint:
But Sonic 3 & Knuckles was too big and difficult for them to fit onto the Sega Mega Drive Collection DVD/Blu ray. I don't understand how they managed to fit it onto a DS cart?!!??!



How about all 8-bit + 16-bit Sonic games including Sonic CD working flawlessly on PSP? Homebrew dat shit.
First of all, it's DS Card not DS cart. Second of all, I have the superior PSP-3000, so that is not an option for me. Not that I would want it in the first place really, truth be told. I want an official release!
Originally Posted by SecretBonusPoint:
Mega CD Sonic CD takes up i'd say about 150mb. I don't expect them to get that on DS since they havent even managed to get that onto any other services or compilations (Mega CD version, not fucked PC version). Was just saying, I own all the originals and homebrew PicoDrive emulator on PSP fulfills any portable Sonic needs I have at a quality that the "professionals" have yet to surpass.
Lucky... :( Homebrew would be nice, but I don't want it if it means I have to give up the 3k's amazing screen. Nothing is worth giving up that screen for.
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(11-19-2009, 12:44 AM)
 
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#8

Might be worth it, if they aren't horrible ports like the GBA version of Sonic 1. I bought the Mega Collection+ for PS2 and the loading on it is horrible. I might get this one, if all the games are good ports.
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(11-19-2009, 12:45 AM)
 
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Originally Posted by [Nintex]:
Sega probably had these ready for the DSi Virtual Console that they and everyone in the world expected but it was never released.

I think it's more Sega being Sega and blanketing the market in endless Sonic ports/collections.
Mama Robotnik
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Years later, and Sega still have yet to make a compilation with the quality, features, and content of Sonic Jam.

Level-specific time-attacks; new difficulty edits of game levels; tidy menu system; Sonic World; Actual Interesting Content.... Its like they don't remember making it!

The list of content is uninspired.
SecretBonusPoint
(11-19-2009, 12:52 AM)
 
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I find it weird they'd include a Dark Brotherhood video and no promotion of the 2D PLATFORMING GAMES in the Rush series that perhaps people might be more interested in instead of the worst DS Sonic available. Its looking likely we'll never get a Sonic Rush 3 at this point.
ZealousD
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(11-19-2009, 12:56 AM)
 
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#12

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KNUCKLES IN SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 3 (GAME)

AwakenedCloud
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(11-19-2009, 12:56 AM)
 
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$30 or under and I'm in, but with the rumored 'Sonic Anniversary' being possibly $100, I'm a bit worried.

Edit:Just reread the post and noticed Sonic Chronicles is just a vid on there. They'll keep it $30 or below.
HUELEN10
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(11-19-2009, 12:57 AM)
 
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Originally Posted by AwakenedCloud:
$30 or under and I'm in, but with the rumored 'Sonic Anniversary' being possibly $100, I'm a bit worried.
I'm not. Call me crazy, but if the rumored Sonic Anniversary truly is what some think it is, 100 USD is a BARGAIN, a fucking BARGAIN.
I AM JOHN!
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(11-19-2009, 12:57 AM)
 
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Originally Posted by SecretBonusPoint:
I find it weird they'd include a Dark Brotherhood video and no promotion of the 2D PLATFORMING GAMES in the Rush series that perhaps people might be more interested in instead of the worst DS Sonic available. Its looking likely we'll never get a Sonic Rush 3 at this point.
When is the last time something Sega did made sense?

Originally Posted by HUELEN10:
I'm not. Call me crazy, but if the rumored Sonic Anniversary truly is what some think it is, 100 USD is a BARGAIN.
What is it, supposedly?
Jangaroo
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(11-19-2009, 12:57 AM)
 
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#16

Originally Posted by Mama Robotnik:
Years later, and Sega still have yet to make a compilation with the quality, features, and content of Sonic Jam.

Level-specific time-attacks; new difficulty edits of game levels; tidy menu system; Sonic World; Actual Interesting Content.... Its like they don't remember making it!

The list of content is uninspired.
Sonic Jam is the only Sonic compilation I've ever bought. I still prefer sticking with the good ol' Genesis cartridges, but the content packed into Sonic Jam is amazing.
Conrad Link
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(11-19-2009, 12:58 AM)
 
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#17

As a big fan of the Mega Drive Sonic games and a big fan of the DS I will look forward to and buy this.

Thanks Sega.

Also I have to lol at the Sonic 3 + Knuckles thing, thats my fav game in the series and I argued against the crap PS360 compilation junk not having it. I still haven't got that crap, no excuse not to have it on there and people just lapped it up saying ZOMG DOESNT MATTER! :|

Will buy this AND the VC Sonic & Knuckles when they hit.

Last edited by Conrad Link : 11-19-2009 at 01:01 AM.
Lindsay
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(11-19-2009, 01:07 AM)
 
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#18

Will probably buy at the right price if it corrects the horrendous input lag from the SUGC...
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(11-19-2009, 01:13 AM)
 
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Originally Posted by HUELEN10:
I'm not. Call me crazy, but if the rumored Sonic Anniversary truly is what some think it is, 100 USD is a BARGAIN, a fucking BARGAIN.
SHUT. UP.
YagizY
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(11-19-2009, 01:14 AM)
 
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#20

So what exactly was wrong with Sonic Genesis Collection? Seems their is some hate in this thread. I was interested in picking it up.
Combichristoffersen
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(11-19-2009, 01:16 AM)
 
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#21

Originally Posted by I AM JOHN!:
What is it, supposedly?

HD remakes of Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Shuffle.

It's rumoured to be a collection of all Sonic games, possibly up to and including some previous gen games
OMG Aero
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(11-19-2009, 01:19 AM)
 
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#22

I could totally see myself picking this up after launch for £10-£15 considering it's a good port and has the proper game menus instead of that backbone stuff.
Originally Posted by HUELEN10:
I'm not. Call me crazy, but if the rumored Sonic Anniversary truly is what some think it is, 100 USD is a BARGAIN, a fucking BARGAIN.
What's Sonic Anniversary?
SecretBonusPoint
(11-19-2009, 01:20 AM)
 
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#23

In this topic Huelen suggests he'd be ecstatic to buy games he probably owns multiple times already, again, for $100, and it would be a bargain. You really are batshit crazy, dude.
HUELEN10
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(11-19-2009, 01:21 AM)
 
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Originally Posted by I AM JOHN!:
What is it, supposedly?
Quote:
Sonic Anniversary
Could put out collectors edition with all old sonic games on one BD disc.
“Best of Sonic” for around $99.
SCEA would love PSN exclusive power ups/different game modes
Many people take this to believe that it means Every main megadrive, 8-bit, dreamcast, and GCN Sonic. This would mean Sonic 1-3 & Knuckles, Sonic CD, Sonic 1&2 8-bit, Sonic and Tails 1&2, Sonic Adventure 1&2, Sonic 3D Blast, Sonic Heroes and Shadow The Hedgehog. Add it all up, and you have no less than 14 games totaling for less than 8 bucks a piece. 8 USD is what a megadrive game costs on VC, which is like perfect emulation. Not only that, but some people think such a collection would also include Sonic Advance 1-3 as well. For less than 8 USD a game, I don't see how it is not a bargain.
Originally Posted by jooey:
SHUT. UP.
Do the math. 100 USD may seem steep, but look at the quantity. Besides, nothing has been confirmed or announced, just that leaked doc.
Originally Posted by SecretBonusPoint:
In this topic Huelen suggests he'd be ecstatic to buy games he probably owns multiple times already, again, for $100, and it would be a bargain. You really are batshit crazy, dude.
Unless it I got it used for cheaper, I wouldn't buy it. As you have said, I own most, if not all of those games. I do see one plus though, the 3D games in 720p, and the older games being able to be played with no upscale lag, or other BS. Imagine if such a collection had the care that the Sega AGES 2500 series in japan has. 720p output, but also the ability to connect to an older TV for the real deal! I am not saying I would get such a thing, but the prospect is very nice if you think about it.

I stand by my words. A 100 USD PS3 collection, if it would be anything like what some think it might be (Games up to GCN in 720p), would be a bargain.
Surgeon Rocket
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(11-19-2009, 01:22 AM)
 
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Originally Posted by Combichristoffersen:
HD remakes of Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Shuffle.

It's rumoured to be a collection of all Sonic games, possibly up to and including some previous gen games
I know you were joking, but I'd love Sonic Shuffle in HD.
AwakenedCloud
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(11-19-2009, 01:30 AM)
 
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Originally Posted by HUELEN10:
Many people take this to believe that it means Every main megadrive, 8-bit, dreamcast, and GCN Sonic. This would mean Sonic 1-3 & Knuckles, Sonic CD, Sonic 1&2 8-bit, Sonic and Tails 1&2, Sonic Adventure 1&2, Sonic 3D Blast, Sonic Heroes ANDShadow The Hedgehog. Add it all up, and you have no less than 14 games totaling for less than 8 bucks a piece. 8 USD is what a megadrive game costs on VC, which is like perfect emulation. Not only that, but some people think such a collection would also include Sonic Advance 1-3 as well. For less than 8 USD a game, I don't see how it is not a bargain.

Seems kinda shallow after they released this. http://impulsegamer.com/wordpress/?p=3150. To be fair it's only available in Australia, but it has most of the gamecube games and the gamegear ones on SADX.
SecretBonusPoint
(11-19-2009, 01:32 AM)
 
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Originally Posted by AwakenedCloud:
Seems kinda shallow after they released this. http://impulsegamer.com/wordpress/?p=3150. To be fair it's only available in Australia, but it has most of the gamecube games and the gamegear ones on SADX.

SADX also features every single Game Gear Sonic game, spinoffs included, as unlockables back when such things were given out free. Before the devil that is selling roms as full DD games took hold.
HUELEN10
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(11-19-2009, 01:51 AM)
 
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Originally Posted by AwakenedCloud:
Seems kinda shallow after they released this. http://impulsegamer.com/wordpress/?p=3150. To be fair it's only available in Australia, but it has most of the gamecube games and the gamegear ones on SADX.
True. I will amend one thing though, I was talking about a console collection and was comparing prices to other console releases. For the following, I will use VC prices since it's arguably the best emulation this gen. (For example, Sonic for MD is more faithful on Wii than the XBLA release, this is a fact)
Genesis games are 8 USD and Master system games are 5 USD.
Sonic 1-3 & knuckles are 32 USD total on the service, and Sonic 1 & 2 as well as Sonic & Tails 1 & 2 (assuming the 2nd one would be released) would be 20 USD total. We are already past 50 USD.

Let's add Sonic 3D Blast, the MD one since that's the one Sega releases most often. We are now up to 60 USD. Remember that up till now, we have been using VC prices since that's where the best console versions currently are. Now, let's just assume that the Adventure style games would go on an HD current-gen download service. I think 10 USD would be a typical low-end price for such a thing. So we could assume that Sonic Adventure 1, 2, Sonic Heroes, and Shadow would be 40 USD We are now at 100 USD, and we still haven't included Sonic CD. This would be a physical release, playable on your DS3 controller, in an HD resolution. What about the GBA games? What about any other bonuses? Is the price high? Consider God of War collection on PS3, 2 PS2 games in 720p for 40 USD (I am not comparing the games themselves, or their quality, just merely the price). It seems like a fair price. If a Sonic collection, like the one that I am talking about, were to be released, would 100 USD be a bad price? It's a high price, but still a bargain comparing other current-gen console releases and keeping in mind that this is tangible, something not all re-releases can boast. Could the price be lower, hell yeah. Would we be getting ripped off? Only if you think current prices are a ripoff, which in the case of VC pricing for MS and MD games, I don't. That's just my own opinion on the matter and nothing more.
Originally Posted by SecretBonusPoint:
SADX also features every single Game Gear Sonic game, spinoffs included, as unlockables back when such things were given out free. Before the devil that is selling roms as full DD games took hold.
Not every game. Also, it was a very nice freebie. Too bad the actual remake of Sonic Adventure sucked aka, Sonic is Jesus and can walk on water.
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(11-19-2009, 02:50 AM)
 
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#29

Yessss!

As long as they're decent versions (please be so), I'm all over this. Portable Sonic 2 is too good!
andymcc
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(11-19-2009, 03:17 AM)
 
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Originally Posted by SecretBonusPoint:
In this topic Huelen suggests he'd be ecstatic to buy games he probably owns multiple times already, again, for $100, and it would be a bargain. You really are batshit crazy, dude.

$100 dollars and your sanity is the cost of being a hardcore sonic fan.
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(11-19-2009, 07:47 AM)
 
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#31

Nice
dark10x
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(11-19-2009, 02:10 PM)
 
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#32

Already have perfect emulation on the PSP with a superior screen, so it's hard to get excited.
Tyrant_Onion
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(11-19-2009, 02:22 PM)
 
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#33

O Sonic CD, where art thou?
Hero of Legend
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(12-01-2009, 04:37 PM)
 
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Announced!

http://www.sega.co.uk/news/?n=3661

Originally Posted by SEGA:


LONDON & SAN FRANCISCO (XX November, 2009) -- SEGA Europe Ltd and SEGA of America, Inc. today announced that, for the first time ever, the original games from legendary gaming icon, Sonic The Hedgehog™ will be coming to the Nintendo DS™ system early 2010. Sonic Classic Collection™ gathers together the first four Sonic The Hedgehog adventures - Sonic The Hedgehog, Sonic The Hedgehog 2, Sonic The Hedgehog 3 and Sonic & Knuckles - introducing some of the most influential Sonic titles to a whole new generation of gamers exclusively for the DS.

Sonic Classic Collection allows fans both old and new to speed through the much loved zones of the four original Mega Drive adventures, in a bid to collect the chaos emeralds and save the world. Optimised to take full advantage of the Nintendo DS system, Sonic Classic Collection will feature a new save anywhere feature, a first in this original series, meaning that the games can be enjoyed anywhere, anytime! Gamers will also be given the chance to expand their knowledge with a wealth of extras including video and collectable pictures that are sure to be fan favourites.

“The phenomenal successes of the original Sonic games are the pillar of today’s Sonic brand recognition” commented Gary Knight, European Marketing Director SEGA Europe. “Sonic Classic Collection for DS will allow a new audience to enjoy a timeless collection of games, whilst older Sonic fans can revel in the nostalgia of playing their favourite Sonic titles. It’s a perfect amalgamation of heritage and new generation entertainment”

Sonic Classic Collection for the Nintendo DS™ system will hit stores in March 2010.
goomba
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(12-01-2009, 04:41 PM)
 
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#35

Sega really should cash in on the New Super Mario Brothers Wii hype.

Put out a multiplayer sidescroller 'New Sonic and his shitty friends' and print money.
Balb
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(12-01-2009, 04:43 PM)
 
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#36

How many times are they going to repackage the same games? They've really decreased the value of the Sonic franchise in my opinion.
Aru
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(12-01-2009, 04:52 PM)
 
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LONDON & SAN FRANCISCO (XX November, 2009) -- SEGA Europe Ltd and SEGA of America, Inc. today announced

Hi there, Backbone Entertainment, long time no see :/
Hero of Legend
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(12-01-2009, 04:55 PM)
 
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#38

Originally Posted by Aru:
Hi there, Backbone Entertainment, long time no see :/

Backbone actually never did the Nintendo console collections.

They only worked on the Sega collections that starred Sonic.

Edit: VR-1 Japan, Inc. helped with Mega Collection, and COMOLINK Inc. helped with Gems and Mega Collection Plus.
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Save states? Guess its emulation then. Wonder how they're going to deal with the reduced resolution? Lots of potential for fuckups there.
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(12-01-2009, 04:59 PM)
 
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Originally Posted by Balb:
How many times are they going to repackage the same games? They've really decreased the value of the Sonic franchise in my opinion.

Well the greatest games of all time should be available to as many people on as many formats as possible, no?
Kulock
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(12-01-2009, 05:00 PM)
 
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#41

First time for Save Anywhere? That's just... completely wrong. Like flat-out, unless I'm missing something.
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(12-01-2009, 05:03 PM)
 
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#42

I like this but I want a Mega Man one for the DS.
Diablohead
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(12-01-2009, 05:04 PM)
 
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#43

Originally Posted by Hero of Legend:
March '10 hm, should be half price by the end of summer, excellent present for my little brother :)
HUELEN10
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(12-01-2009, 05:44 PM)
 
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#44

I hope it isn't backbone...
I AM JOHN!
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(12-01-2009, 05:49 PM)
 
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#45

Originally Posted by Hero of Legend:
Backbone actually never did the Nintendo console collections.

They only worked on the Sega collections that starred Sonic.

Edit: VR-1 Japan, Inc. helped with Mega Collection, and COMOLINK Inc. helped with Gems and Mega Collection Plus.
Doesn't change the fact that if this announcement is coming out of Sega Europe and America, it's probably their initiative which means it's probably Backbone.

Sega, make yourself useful for once and remake Sonic Jam.
Hero of Legend
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(12-01-2009, 05:51 PM)
 
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#46

Originally Posted by I AM JOHN!:
Doesn't change the fact that if this announcement is coming out of Sega Europe and America, it's probably their initiative which means it's probably Backbone.

Sega, make yourself useful for once and remake Sonic Jam.

I don't understand the reason for that assumption, considering Backbone is Canadian.

Or is it because it's a western-based announcement as opposed to a Japanese one?

Don't forget that the Storybook series and Unleashed were announced in NA first, as was Zero Gravity I think.
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(12-01-2009, 05:53 PM)
 
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#47

Originally Posted by HUELEN10:
First of all, it's DS Card not DS cart.
Is there a meaningful difference here, or are you just being pedantic?
Aru
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Originally Posted by Hero of Legend:
I don't understand the reason for that assumption, considering Backbone is Canadian.

Or is it because it's a western-based announcement as opposed to a Japanese one?

Don't forget that the Storybook series and Unleashed were announced in NA first, as was Zero Gravity I think.

SMC and SMUC were developed by Backbone, announced by Sega NA/EU and never released in Japan (not sure about this).

Originally Posted by rockman zx:
I like this but I want a Mega Man one for the DS.

This. Or for the PSP.
Since MMPU and MMHX bombed, they never released sequels :(

The Megaman Collections (classic and X series) were never released in Europe :/
I'd like to play all of them.

Classic Collection on DS and X Collection on PSP please (or at least every game in DD PS1 Classics)
Hero of Legend
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(12-01-2009, 05:56 PM)
 
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#49

Originally Posted by Aru:
SMC and SMUC were developed by Backbone, announced by Sega NA/EU and never released in Japan (not sure about this).

Sonic Mega Collection wasn't by Backbone (unless SMC means something else). And what's SMUC?
cjelly
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(12-01-2009, 05:57 PM)
 
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#50

4 games?

What the hell is the point?
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