Sony doesn't Fight Gamesharing, New TOS has a typo

[netguy503]

Bad news for all traders and users with multiple PS3s, SCE have changed their Terms of Service to allow only up to 3 PS3s on one account.

Traders beware, you can only share games on up to three PS3s now, users with share groups will also be affected.

Users with >3 systems activated should be safe, however if one system is deactivated, it can no longer be activated again.

Quote from the TOS:

In-game items or content that you have purchased may be downloaded from PlayStation®Store. Pursuant to the particular terms of use that govern a specific in-game item or content you have purchased, you may use that item or content on up to three (3) different PlayStation®3 systems that have been activated for your account. You may deactivate or activate specific PlayStation®3 systems, as long as the maximum activated number of PlayStation®3 systems for your account at any given time is three (3).

* The first category, called Network Content, can only be accessed by one activated PlayStation®3 system per day and only by the account through which the Network Content was purchased. Network Content cannot be used on two different PlayStation®3 systems within a twenty-four (24) hour period.

* The second category, called Local Content, once installed on a PlayStation®3 system by the account that purchased it, can be accessed by other accounts on that same PlayStation®3 system.

[Wario64]

This is retroactive for past purchased games too?

[OwNii]

Nowai.. :'(

[Prezhulio]

hmm the only thing i've gameshared (not even sure if this counts) is the gow3 demo. i feel like a lot of people are going to be upset about this though.

[DCharlie]

SHARE YOUR GAMES WITH FRIENDS ITS AN AWESOME FEATURE UP TO 5 PEOPLE!

now 3, you have all been using and abusing our system! who gave you this idea you were supposed to share the games?!? oh that's right:

SCEA’s President Jack Tretton even condones game sharing: “You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment,” said Tretton. “We want to get the game in as many hands as possible.” “It’s not about generating profits at each and every interaction with the consumer,” he said. “I think that really offsets the argument that says, ‘Wow, that’s a really pricey system.’”

yes yes i know, Tretton mispoke and we shouldn't hold the words of presidents of large companies to their heads like a gun. It was an honest mistake, he didn't mean to increase hype and help defuse the price argument, he just got it wrong and now we all have to play by the rules of using it the right way that they didn't bother telling us.

[-PXG-]

This is retroactive for past purchased games too?

Good question.

[Snuggler]

Dang. At this point I don't even have anyone other accounts activated on my PS3, so this doesn't really effect me, but there are a couple people that I've allowed to "borrow" my content.

Is there any way to deactivate MY account from someone else's PS3?

[Byakuya769]

This is retroactive for past purchased games too?

Users with >3 systems activated should be safe, however if one system is deactivated, it can no longer be activated again.

Reading's fundamental, WHOOOOOOOOO!

[SuperÑ]

I knew there was a reason why i did not gameshare...

I'm so poor i didn't even have the fifth part of the cost of the game :(

[Nuclear Muffin]

Damn that sucks, the worst thing is that you can't get it back. :(

Hopefully you can still get your activations back if you contact them directly. I don't want to lose all my stuff if my system breaks (again)

Edit: I read it wrong. You don't lose your activations, its just that you can't activate your account on someone else's machine more than once, should you choose to deactivate it.

Good, so it won't affect you if your machine breaks then. Its a fair enough compromise, considering that developers were getting concerned about people abusing the system.

[IPoopStandingUp]

Did this go into effect yet?

[snap0212]

Good question.

I don't think it affects them. You didn't agree to the new TOS when you bought them. When we bought the games, we agreed to their TOS from XXX where you were allowed to have your games running on five systems.

[Fuzzy]

I've only ever shared with my brother and my cousin.

[DigiMish]

Don't see much of a point in limiting to 1 less account. Either have it as originally or not at all.

[BlazingDarkness]

shitty

[Lord Error]

Oh man... This sucks so badly for me, as I've literally lost two accounts in a way that's completely unknown to me, and two of my friends have two accounts, while I have the fifth one. So if this PS3 ever gets replaced, I won't be able to activate a new one, unless I tell both friends to deactivate theirs. Sony really needs some remote deactivation Itunes style, where you can deactivate all the activated accounts, and then reactivate just those that you want.

Now that I think maybe this three activation rule has been there for a long time, and I didn't actually lose any accounts. It's just that I have all three already activated.

This means that, if a game is purchased, it can only be downloaded once every 24h, meaning games can’t be shared immediately.

I think this means that the game can only be started on another machine after a wait period of 24h after it's been started already on another machine - even if they are both activated. I don't think it affects downloading.

[Kobun Heat]

Wow, I had this all ready to paste:

If a player logs into his PlayStation 3 account on a friend's system, he can download any game he has already purchased. "You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment," said Tretton. "We want to get the game in as many hands as possible." "It's not about generating profits at each and every interaction with the consumer," he said. "I think that really offsets the argument that says, 'Wow, that's a really pricey system.'" Sony's Online Free-For-All, October 2006

And then in comes WhiteAce! You win this round, sir.

[SmokyDave]

Great. This is where a bunch of smug fuckers get to point out that game sharers used content in a manner that was endorsed by the content provider and now they're shafted. Woo-hoo.

Doesn't affect me, only share with one person.

[nskinnear]

booooooo :(

[CrushDance]

First $32 PS2 memory cards, and now this. When will Sony learn?

[-PXG-]

Well, this doesn't effect me, since all of my games are mine and not shared.

[slider]

People will bitch but all things considered it's totally understandable. All except that Tretton quote (I'll have to look up the original ToS having never shared).

[Lafiel]

I blame the people who abused the feature.>_<

[jett]

Thankfully I never gameshared with anyone.

I cannot believe are bitching about this. You can still ripoff Sony people, just not as badly as before. :P

[Brazil]

Good.

[Kobun Heat]

I blame the people who abused the feature.>_<

Aren't you reading?

[DCharlie]

Great. This is where a bunch of smug fuckers get to point out that game sharers used content in a manner that was endorsed by the content provider and now they're shafted. Woo-hoo.

well, it'll be closely followed by a raft of people screaming "you are all no better than pirates and Sony are in the right and it was clear Tretton made a mistake!" apologists so this should be an awesomelongthread. ;)

I blame the people who abused the feature

<billhicks>
Sony are like Jack Palance in the movie Shane, throwing the pistol at the sheep herder's feet: "Pick it up." "I don't wanna pick it up mister, you'll shoot me." "Pick up the gun." "Mister, I don't want no trouble, huh. I just came down town here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about 10 rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, mister." "Pick up the gun." Boom, boom. "You all saw him. He had a gun." </billhicks>

[DMeisterJ]

I blame the people who abused the feature.>_<

It was probably Costanza.

[MrPliskin]

Good for Sony. The abuse going on was ridiculous. Now developers have a better chance to actually make more money.

well, it'll be closely followed by a raft of people screaming "you are all no better than pirates and Sony are in the right and it was clear Tretton made a mistake!" apologists so this should be an awesomelongthread. ;)

Tretton didn't make a mistake. He used the TOS for DD as a selling point. Unfortunately, people used this loop hole and abused the system to the freaking extreme. So really, people who game share have no one to blame but themselves.

It was never about sharing games. It was always about being a DRM system, and I would assume this probably came as a reaction to developer pressure rather than Sony wanting to change their ways.

[Marty Chinn]

Don't see much of a point in limiting to 1 less account. Either have it as originally or not at all.

It's actually two less.

[CrushDance]

well, it'll be closely followed by a raft of people screaming "you are all no better than pirates and Sony are in the right and it was clear Tretton made a mistake!" apologists so this should be an awesomelongthread. ;)

That's cute DCharlie.

[Crisis]

So we can't play games that have been gameshared on two different systems for up to 24 hours?

[Razorskin]

Let's all just blame Costanza for this.

[Kobun Heat]

well, it'll be closely followed by a raft of people screaming "you are all no better than pirates and Sony are in the right and it was clear Tretton made a mistake!" apologists so this should be an awesomelongthread. ;)

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

Balls. Oh wells i traded with a few random gaffers but i got a couple of friends i will just have stick with now.

[AndyD]

Will the different types of content be labeled as such pre purchase?

So whoever loses his/her PS3 first and second in a current group of 5 is done for At least thats how I read it. If you have 5, you're fine but you wont be able to reactivate if you deactivate past the limit of three.

That said, i think this will decrease my spending on there. Pixeljunk Shooter and that's about it on the horizon for me.

At least most games have demos nowadays so that while we wont be wontonly buying everything because its so cheap after sharing, at least we will be able to try before we buy.

[Alts]

Didn't the original ToS state that "gamesharing" could only be used on consoles owned by the original licensee? I'm pretty sure Tretton's quote runs counter to the actual text of the ToS.

[ravien56]

I'm confused...is this already in effect? Also, so if your sharing with 4 other people, you'll be good? But then if one of them deactivates, hes completely locked out? Also, so its not at all a 5 share system now, so now if my ps3 breaks down 3 times and I don't deactivate, I'm fucked?

[SmokyDave]

Thankfully I never gameshared with anyone. I cannot believe are bitching about this. You can still ripoff Sony people, just not as badly as before. :P

I, as a PSP Go owner, can rip Sony off?

Nice.

[Chromax]

I hope this means Pixeljunk Shooter will get more sales.

[Violater]

Took them long enough, now what am I going to do with my 5 PS3's?

[Metalmurphy]

That means that I have no other slots after my PS3 died and I'll be screwed if it dies again :S

[TheSeks]

So, wait... I have three content licenses, but removing one means I have 2... 1... 0 after that?

WTF is this bullshit? Sony's DRM was slightly better than MS's because you activated/deactivated the systems and kept your numbers so long as you managed your shit.

[Lord Error]

I, as a PSP Go owner, can rip Sony off? Nice.

Number of activations is for PS3s only. PSPs don't count towards that, and have their own separate limit (which might be just one device at the time, I'm not sure)

[Wario64]

I hope this means Pixeljunk Shooter will get more sales.

I'm not buying it now since I can't buy it for my gameshare group. -1 sale.

[jett]

edit: wait i'm not sure :P

[-PXG-]

ITT: People upset because they now have to buy their own games.

[Metalmurphy]

So, wait... I have three content licenses, but removing one means I have 2... 1... 0 after that? WTF is this bullshit? Sony's DRM was slightly better than MS's because you activated/deactivated the systems and kept your numbers so long as you

I'm pretty sure that only applies if you have more then 3. If you deactivate the 5th or 4th console you can't activate again, if you deactivate the 3rd one you can activate another one.

I'm confused...is this already in effect? Also, so if your sharing with 4 other people, you'll be good? But then if one of them deactivates, hes completely locked out? Also, so its not at all a 5 share system now, so now if my ps3 breaks down 3 times and I don't deactivate, I'm fucked?

If you keep the receipt from each PS3 you can call Sony support and they'll deactivate it. Unfortunately for me, I didn't keep the one from my dead PS3 :(

[Irish]

So, how does this affect demo sharing (like the GOW 3 one)?

[BlazingDarkness]

So, how does this affect demo sharing (like the GOW 3 one)?

pretty sure it doesnt