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Benjamin_MFF · (12-23-2009, 07:26 PM)

Originally Posted by Raxus:

I demand a name change. BAYONETTA thread of sexy sexy poses.

Seriously, what is the source for this interview. It seems to be full of awesome.

danmaku · (12-23-2009, 07:36 PM)

Originally Posted by TimeKillr:

Buy the Bangle of time, it'll let you activate Witch Time on those enemies.

I know, but I don't like to use it. It feels almost like a cheat code to me.

Now you'll think I'm a masochist.

I used the item that activates an automatic attack instead of witch time and it worked fine, my main problem were the fucking cars. :lol

NIN90 · (12-23-2009, 07:38 PM)

Why did nobody tell me that it's already out in Germany? Now I gotta buy it tomorrow.

Bernbaum · (12-23-2009, 07:41 PM)

Genius OP.

Can't wait for this game.

slasher_thrasher21 · (12-23-2009, 07:43 PM)

So why is it that this game is being distributed to mass retailers right now, there is no hard street date I'm hearing, so just sell the fuckers for christmas profit! lol GRrrrrr

I just want my copy of the game really, really bad!

zurra · (12-23-2009, 07:44 PM)

Originally Posted by slasher_thrasher21:

So hearing a few best buys are starting to sell this now. Anyone else find places to pick this up in the US yet?

checked a few local. they had it but wouldn't sell it to me. also heard some toys r us are breaking street date, gonna check there later.

george_us · 07:50 PM

So did the Japanese 360 version have a black and white manual? I do know the japanese PS3 version got a (very nice) color manual so I was wondering if us Westerners got the shaft.

theluma · (12-23-2009, 07:50 PM)

As someone who thinks something like God of War is extremely meh, certainly in terms of gameplay, but fucking loves crazy Japanese shit and indeed MadWorld...will I like this game?

danmaku · (12-23-2009, 07:51 PM)

Originally Posted by george_us:

So did the Japanese 360 version have a black and white manual? I do know the PS3 version got a (very nice) color manual so I was wondering if us Westerners got the shaft.

No, it's full color.

Fimbulvetr · (12-23-2009, 07:53 PM)

Originally Posted by theluma:

As someone who thinks something like God of War is extremely meh, certainly in terms of gameplay, but fucking loves crazy Japanese shit and indeed MadWorld...will I like this game?

Probably, unless you don't like fun.

soldat7 · (12-23-2009, 07:58 PM)

Originally Posted by Blueblur1:

They would care about the games but not the developer. Millions of people play the Halo games and still have no idea who Bungie is so I very much doubt that you can get more than a handful of people to care about one Japanese game designer. He's no Shigeru Miyamoto.

At any rate, I was pointing out how ludicrous george_us's comment actually is. /end

Take a hike.

theluma · (12-23-2009, 07:58 PM)

Originally Posted by Fimbulvetr:

Probably, unless you don't like fun.

Even bearing in mind that I do NOT consider GOW much fun at all after about an hour or so?

george_us · (12-23-2009, 08:01 PM)

Originally Posted by theluma:

Even bearing in mind that I do NOT consider GOW much fun at all after about an hour or so?

They have very little in common.

hulot · (12-23-2009, 08:01 PM)

Originally Posted by theluma:

Even bearing in mind that I do NOT consider GOW much fun at all after about an hour or so?

Why are you comparing this to GOW? Have you played Devil May Cry? GOW is fluff combat-wise in relation.

Also, hearing about it being sold in Ohio, has NYC-Gaf gotten their hands on it?

danmaku · (12-23-2009, 08:01 PM)

Originally Posted by theluma:

Even bearing in mind that I do NOT consider GOW much fun at all after about an hour or so?

You could play in easy mode and just watch the fireworks, the craziness keeps increasing level after level. But I wouldn't shell 60$ to play like this. I'd wait for a bargain price.

Minamu · (12-23-2009, 08:04 PM)

Originally Posted by Benjillion:

Seriously, what is the source for this interview. It seems to be full of awesome.

1up show I believe. It's definitely the 1up guys either way. That was probably the best part of the interview though.

I hope I don't have the same experience with Bayonetta as I've had with his previous games. I've only played DMC3+4, which he wasn't involved with. I've only watched RE2 being played by a friend when it came out & played a few minutes here & there (I have fairly good knowledge of the innards of it now though). Viewtiful Joe was really hard (O_o) until I picked it up again a year later after collecting some dust on the shelf. I only played 10 hours of Okami before putting it on hold & restarted again this year & completed it. So all in all, I've never fully committed myself to his games after buying them until months/years later. Hopefully Bayonetta will break that trend.

theluma · 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by hulot:

Why are you comparing this to GOW? Have you played Devil May Cry? GOW is fluff combat-wise in relation.

Is it? Well that's good. So I won't be square mashing my way through 20 of the same enemy for hours on end hoping I don't get hit? There is strategy to the combat?

beelzebozo · (12-23-2009, 08:15 PM)

has anyone who thought DMC3 was a bit too tough or just not that enjoyable played this? what do you think of it? some background: huge fan of the original DMC, the first NG, disliked GOW, thought NG2 was a big disappointment, and so on.

fans of VIEWTIFUL JOE, i also want your opinions on how this is (though clearly the game is very different, i think liking VJ quite a lot indicates we may have similar tastes, or may be looking for similar things in a very good game)

oracrest · (12-23-2009, 08:23 PM)

Originally Posted by Colocho:

VJ is good, but not as godly as some people hype it up to be.

I get a lot of the same vibe from Bayonetta that I got from Viewtiful Joe, in the sense of presentation.

That move where Joe strikes a pose, looks at the camera, and destroys everything on screen, that is very much in line with the kind of stuff I have seen from Bayonetta. Just total humorous indulgence.

beelzebozo · (12-23-2009, 08:24 PM)

yeah, it's not as godly. it's more godly.

george_us · (12-23-2009, 08:33 PM)

Originally Posted by beelzebozo:

has anyone who thought DMC3 was a bit too tough or just not that enjoyable played this? what do you think of it? some background: huge fan of the original DMC, the first NG, disliked GOW, thought NG2 was a big disappointment, and so on.

fans of VIEWTIFUL JOE, i also want your opinions on how this is (though clearly the game is very different, i think liking VJ quite a lot indicates we may have similar tastes, or may be looking for similar things in a very good game)

In terms of pure combat, Bayonetta is probably a little tougher than DMC3 although the difficultly curve is much, much better. DMC3s enemies weren't too smart for the most part although they dealt a shit ton of damage when their attacks hit. The difference between DMC3 and Bayonetta is that Bayonetta is far, far more liberal with its checkpoints than DMC3, or any other action game on the market. Say for instance you're fighting a boss with multiple life bars and you got the boss down to its last life bar, you'll start at that life bar with full health if you die. Even with all of the forgiving checkpoints, it's still a fairly difficult game.

Dissonance · (12-23-2009, 08:33 PM)

Originally Posted by theluma:

Is it? Well that's good. So I won't be square mashing my way through 20 of the same enemy for hours on end hoping I don't get hit? There is strategy to the combat?

Hell yeah, the combat is incredible and everything is cancelable. Go play the demo, it's out on XBL and PSN. :D

theluma · (12-23-2009, 08:38 PM)

Originally Posted by Aljosa:

Hell yeah, the combat is incredible and everything is cancelable. Go play the demo, it's out on XBL and PSN. :D

Oh I've played the demo, but there wasn't exactly a lot of enemies to fight. Certainly not enough to make me try to figure out some extra combos - just a demo after all. I did notice the amount of crazy combos available though. So is it satisfying being able to master the combat? I don't want to make a "sure there are heaps of moves but you never have to use more than three" argument because IMO that is extremely dumb. It's not important that you don't HAVE to use all these combos it's important that using all these combos makes for a much more satisfying experience.

So, is this the case in Bayonetta?

_tetsuo_ · (12-23-2009, 08:43 PM)

Originally Posted by theluma:

Oh I've played the demo, but there wasn't exactly a lot of enemies to fight. Certainly not enough to make me try to figure out some extra combos - just a demo after all. I did notice the amount of crazy combos available though. So is it satisfying being able to master the combat? I don't want to make a "sure there are heaps of moves but you never have to use more than three" argument because IMO that is extremely dumb. It's not important that you don't HAVE to use all these combos it's important that using all these combos makes for a much more satisfying experience.

So, is this the case in Bayonetta?

It's the case if you plan on getting pure platinum medals, I would assume.

Dissonance · (12-23-2009, 08:52 PM)

Originally Posted by theluma:

Oh I've played the demo, but there wasn't exactly a lot of enemies to fight. Certainly not enough to make me try to figure out some extra combos - just a demo after all. I did notice the amount of crazy combos available though. So is it satisfying being able to master the combat? I don't want to make a "sure there are heaps of moves but you never have to use more than three" argument because IMO that is extremely dumb. It's not important that you don't HAVE to use all these combos it's important that using all these combos makes for a much more satisfying experience.

So, is this the case in Bayonetta?

If you want Platinum medals than it's needed.

It's just pure fun for me to pull of these crazy combos and the customization is there because you can equip shit on her hands and feet for ultimate craziness. Try some more combos in the loading screens and tutorial and use the sword, it's crazy.

theluma · (12-23-2009, 08:52 PM)

Originally Posted by _tetsuo_:

It's the case if you plan on getting pure platinum medals, I would assume.

What's that?

hulot · (12-23-2009, 08:57 PM)

Originally Posted by theluma:

Oh I've played the demo, but there wasn't exactly a lot of enemies to fight. Certainly not enough to make me try to figure out some extra combos - just a demo after all. I did notice the amount of crazy combos available though. So is it satisfying being able to master the combat? I don't want to make a "sure there are heaps of moves but you never have to use more than three" argument because IMO that is extremely dumb. It's not important that you don't HAVE to use all these combos it's important that using all these combos makes for a much more satisfying experience.

So, is this the case in Bayonetta?

I see where you're coming from (i.e. GOW). Don't know about Bayonetta except from the demo, but in the first DMC, the moveset was there for a reason, not throwaway like in GOW since there were many different enemy types that required different strategies. DMC3 I believe suffered because of this lack in variety; it's been awhile but I can't recall any particularly standout enemies like ones in DMC1 (shadow hounds, phantoms, etc.)

Y2Kev · (12-23-2009, 08:59 PM)

Okami > RE2 > DMC > VJ

Kamiya is so amazing.

Tokubetsu · (12-23-2009, 09:03 PM)

Originally Posted by Y2Kev:

Okami > RE2 > DMC > VJ

Kamiya is so amazing.

It doesn't matter what order you put them in, we all win.

Amir0x · (12-23-2009, 09:16 PM)

I really have a soft spot for Viewtiful Joe still. I just like the way that game feels.

Saargabath · (12-23-2009, 09:19 PM)

I have a PS3, a Wii. I intend to get a 360 just for Bayonetta ( I can afford it ). Is it worth it?

_tetsuo_ · (12-23-2009, 09:21 PM)

Originally Posted by theluma:

What's that?

The game rates your performance for all the different combat areas. The better you do, the more "experience points" you get, basically. It's the same for all the other games in the genre except God of War :lol

Angelus Errare · (12-23-2009, 09:23 PM)

So can we finally say Kamiya > Itagaki? :D

theluma · (12-23-2009, 09:24 PM)

Originally Posted by Saargabath:

I have a PS3, a Wii. I intend to get a 360 just for Bayonetta ( I can afford it ). Is it worth it?

I hope the difference between the versions isn't THAT bad:/

Tokubetsu · (12-23-2009, 09:27 PM)

Originally Posted by Angelus Errare:

So can we finally say Kamiya > Itagaki? :D

Yea but then the list just becomes Kamiya > Itagaki > *

_tetsuo_ · (12-23-2009, 09:49 PM)

Originally Posted by Angelus Errare:

So can we finally say Kamiya > Itagaki? :D

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inpHilltr8r · (12-23-2009, 09:49 PM)

Originally Posted by a Master Ninja:

*BAYONETTA SEEMS TO PLAY SMOOTHER FROM THE DISC THAN FROM A HARDDRIVE INSTALL*

It's almost certainly using the hard drive as a cache then.

I guess MS still haven't exposed the installed status of a game to the developers. Either that or your hard-drive is fragmented.

Relaxed Muscle · (12-23-2009, 09:56 PM)

Originally Posted by Tokubetsu:

Yea but then the list just becomes Mikami > Kamiya > Itagaki > *

Fixed.The master is still the best....

Dave1988 · 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Saargabath:

I have a PS3, a Wii. I intend to get a 360 just for Bayonetta ( I can afford it ). Is it worth it?

You're doing the right thing.

Originally Posted by theluma:

I hope the difference between the versions isn't THAT bad:/

PS3 ver: framerate ranging from 20 fps to 30 fps, 50% screen tear rate, worse textures and long ass loading to boot.

Xbox360 ver: 60 fps and none of the above mentioned faults.

Others will swear that the game is still playable and it probably is, but ask yourself this: "Do I really want to play the gimped version of the Action Game of the Forever™ ?"

black_vegeta · (12-23-2009, 10:21 PM)

Originally Posted by Saargabath:

I have a PS3, a Wii. I intend to get a 360 just for Bayonetta ( I can afford it ). Is it worth it?

Yes it is worth judging from the demo's that I played.

imtehman · (12-23-2009, 10:23 PM)

Originally Posted by Dave1988:

Others will swear that the game is still playable and it probably is, but ask yourself this: "Do I really want to play the gimped version of the Action Game of the Forever™ ?"

this is indeed a very good question.

yurinka · 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Angelus Errare:

So can we finally say Kamiya > Itagaki? :D

Always. Itagaki's games are broken. He must learn what is the difficulty curve. And it isn't related to boobs.

Originally Posted by Benjillion:

Seriously, what is the source for this interview. It seems to be full of awesome.

1up Show. I can't remember the episode. Look for Platinum interview.

Originally Posted by Dave1988:

PS3 ver: framerate ranging from 20 fps to 30 fps, 50% screen tear rate, worse textures and long ass loading to boot.

Xbox360 ver: 60 fps and none of the above mentioned faults."

FPS and screen tear data is false, even for the Japanese demos. And overseas PS3 demos were improved, so I assume the PAL/US PS3 release code too.

Originally Posted by Saargabath:

I have a PS3, a Wii. I intend to get a 360 just for Bayonetta ( I can afford it ). Is it worth it?

360 version is better, sure. But if I was you I would get the 360 for Gears, Dead Rising, Halo, etc. They deserve to buy the console.

Some FPS more, some better tearing, a bit better textures and loading times in a single multiplatform game I think doesn't deserve to buy a console just for this. PS3 version -at least the demo- isn't that bad. But if you finally buy the 360, buy this version.

Blueblur1 · (12-23-2009, 10:46 PM)

I went to a Best Buy today here in Miami and had no luck getting a copy. :(

Dabookerman · (12-23-2009, 10:52 PM)

Originally Posted by Saargabath:

I have a PS3, a Wii. I intend to get a 360 just for Bayonetta ( I can afford it ). Is it worth it?

Yes

DoctorWho · (12-23-2009, 10:52 PM)

Anyone in Torontoland find a copy?

TreIII · (12-23-2009, 10:56 PM)

Originally Posted by Amir0x:

I really have a soft spot for Viewtiful Joe still. I just like the way that game feels.

VJ, to me, is still one of most balanced games of its sort. If you died in that game, it really was due to your own fault, and not utilizing Joe's moveset to its fullest.

Now that he's gone back to the DMC formula once more with Bayo, I really could stand to see what he had in store for VJ3. Whether Capcom actually is willing to play ball with him or not...I'd even be willing for him to start over with a new IP and adapt the new ideas to that, if nothing else is possible.

On the other hand, I REALLY want to see what Kamiya could do with that "Umbran Fighter" idea that he talked about on his last blog. Kamiya? Doing a Vs. Fighting Game?

...He may be the kind of guy who could breathe new life into that genre, too... :D

Threi · (12-23-2009, 10:57 PM)

Originally Posted by Saargabath:

I have a PS3, a Wii. I intend to get a 360 just for Bayonetta ( I can afford it ). Is it worth it?

no.

HYDE · (12-23-2009, 11:03 PM)

Originally Posted by Threi:

no.

THIS!

I would honestly rather support a broken port, than a broken console.

Is there a (USA) PS3 Bayonetta owner that has the balls to post their early copy?

I'd like to see what it looks like. Thanks in advance.

Dabookerman · (12-23-2009, 11:06 PM)

Well this thread is going places.

Originally Posted by HYDE:

THIS!

I would honestly rather support a broken port, than a broken console.

You are not worthy of your username.

Threi · (12-23-2009, 11:09 PM)

Originally Posted by HYDE:

THIS!

I would honestly rather support a broken port, than a broken console.

Err my reasoning is buying a console for one game that is already playable (yes, playable) on a console you own isn't a smart purchase.

But then again he said he can afford it, and most of GAF can relate, considering how many people have multiple consoles, so if you feel the need to go right ahead.