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(02-26-2010, 05:40 AM)
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Transgaf: 'cause boys will be girls (and vice versa)
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![]() I know there's a few open / closeted TransGAFfers out there, I think it's about time we got our own discussion thread; GayGAF has a good thing going with their own megathread. We all have varying degrees of experience and knowledge, I think we need a thread to maintain a solid discussion, as opposed to talking in trans specific threads that just get locked anyway. This thread is open to non-TG GAF, as long as you keep it civil you can pretty much ask anything. Resources Producers' notes on the making of MTV's 'True Life: I'm Changing Sex' Developing a Female Voice - An incredibly detailed vlog of how to develop a female voice. Must see for any MTF, with practice, you can achieve the kind of results you hear upon opening this video. TrannyGirl15 - Very, very long vlog. She goes from the moment she was made the decision up until some recent point. This includes HRT, post-op, and female feminization surgery. IceColdBath - Another long vlog that I found. I believe this was the first I viewed. Introduction from Ashley's beginnings to sometime four months ago. To get the ball rolling, I'd like to quote an account from a home hospice nurse that I absolutely adore.
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Unless correct context is used these words are verboten! : Tranny, shemale, and most grievously, it. Uttering it will inflict the banhammer with swift justice! Q: Why are you doing this? A: There is no simple answer for this, a great start on understanding is the piece I have quoted above. A great deal of further information is contained within this thread and posted from the heart by your fellow Transgaffers. If I could summarize in a few words something that applies to me, 'I have always felt wrong, this feels right.' Q: Can I see before pics? A: It's not polite to ask. Some TG's feel proud of how far they're come and are OK with showing before pics (even then, sparingly) but really it's oftentimes just a part of ourselves we don't like to show or embellish on.
Last edited by lexi; 05-07-2011 at 02:03 AM.
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(02-26-2010, 05:44 AM)
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#2
I read that story yesterday, it's beautiful.
Tgaf represent! Hahaha. 26-going-on-27 year old M2F Tgaffer here =) I know its tough for a lot of us, so maybe we can sorta use this as a ranting thread for when things get a bit too much to handle. I know I get frustrated, what with the "family situation" I'm in. Good work, Lexi! |
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Water is not wet!
(02-26-2010, 05:58 AM)
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Wow.. thats a very touching story.
Hmmm.. i dont really have much to contribute. Standard story stuffs for me.. figured out stuff way too late (agewise.. not in regards to relationships so im kind of fortunate in that regard i think).. but better late than never. Even went through the hyper-masculine phase where i really tried to deny who i was :lol Glad that didnt last long! My plans kind of hit the skids when i lost my job though. Been out of work so long i had to dip into my therapy/surgery money. Oh wells, ive waited 30 years.. another year or two isnt going to kill me. The urge to self-medicate is very strong though.. but ive had a couple friends that went that route and they are no longer here so.. yea, not going down that road. At least thats what i tell myself when im thinking clearly :lol Anyway.. hihi :D |
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(02-26-2010, 05:59 AM)
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#6
Not transgendered, but want to show support.
There's an NPR podcast/show called "This American Life." Recently, they had a cast called "Someone Out There" or something like it. Part of that podcast focused on these two young transgendered boys who, uh, think? believe? are? girls. It was very touching. |
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Paper or plastic?
(02-26-2010, 06:01 AM)
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#7
Originally Posted by FlightOfHeaven:
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This picture? uhh I can explain really!
(02-26-2010, 06:08 AM)
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#9
Originally Posted by FlightOfHeaven:
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(02-26-2010, 06:10 AM)
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#10
Originally Posted by FlightOfHeaven:
Anyway, just wanna also show my support and hope this thread stays positive. You're all beautiful! |
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Water is not wet!
(02-26-2010, 06:11 AM)
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#11
Originally Posted by Alfarif:
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(02-26-2010, 06:13 AM)
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#12
Then there was the dad who stayed, but only referred to his child as "it" or "the child."
There may be grounds for criticism, but I commend him for sticking around. It must have been very hard for him to accept his child at all, never mind actually sticking around to raise them. |
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'Wait and Hope'
(02-26-2010, 06:39 AM)
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#15
Originally Posted by bjork:
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(02-26-2010, 06:58 AM)
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(02-26-2010, 07:15 AM)
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#22
Originally Posted by Mumei:
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for whom the Bell trolls
(02-26-2010, 07:21 AM)
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#24
I had a "tomboy" female friend in high school who began living life as a man during college. I'll never forget when he complained to me about how impossible dating/relationships became for him. He was born a woman, but wanted to be a man and wanted relationships with women. Problem is straight women didn't want to date him, they wanted guys who were born men. Lesbians wanted other women, not someone who was born a woman and trying to be a man. Other transgendered people (according to him) aren't after each other. I really hope he found happiness, because that is rough.
I also found this friend to be fascinating from a "Nature versus Nurture" argument perspective. He became convinced he had be born a man and was trapped in a woman's body. He was color blind, which I found interesting because this is extremely rare for women but common for men. On the other hand, his father really fucked with his head growing up. The father wanted nothing more than a son, but had only one child who happened to be a girl. So he raised this girl as if it was his son. Name, boys clothing, GI JOEs only, no Barbies allowed, etc. I can't help but wonder if things would have turned out differently had he been raised by foster parents. I mean no disrespect to anyone with the above, I'm just relaying my thoughts and experiences as an outsider. |
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(02-26-2010, 07:23 AM)
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#25
Originally Posted by Wrath2X:
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Professional Schmuck
(02-26-2010, 07:30 AM)
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I had a dear cousin come out to me a month or two ago. Do transgenders even call it "coming out?" I was the first male person he (and soon to be she) came out to, so I think he was gauging my reaction to prepare. Of course, I'm a loving dude, but I did feel silly asking all the questions.
Anyway, my point is, I have much love for people that have to go through this. I can't remotely pretend to know what it's like, but I can say you've got one regular d00d fighting gender identity education, awareness, and sensitivity. Btw, is "tranny" offensive? |
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(02-26-2010, 07:37 AM)
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#30
Originally Posted by PantherLotus:
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This picture? uhh I can explain really!
(02-26-2010, 07:41 AM)
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#31
Originally Posted by bjork:
One thing I think was pretty revealing over the course of watching these vlogs was the fact that (I was looking at MtF, mind you) all of these women first started dressing "slutty," and then quickly toned it down after six or seven months. One of them said that "I realized that dressing like this didn't make me a woman... I made me a woman." That's when all of this "clicked" for me. It was at that moment I completely began to separate gender and sex, and since then, I haven't thought of anyone who may look physically like the stereotypical idea of a male as a male if they call themselves she. Because I can't define anyone like that. You have to define yourself. One cool side effect of my curiosity is that I've become better at speaking in a feminine voice. I was able to do a high pitched voice before, but it wasn't deciedly female. The only reason this is important is because I like to do audio stories, and my main characters are typically female. I need a convincing female voice. My wife does them, mostly, but if she's not around, I'd like to be able to do them, myself. When I get the chance, I'll link some of these vlogs I keep referencing. I didn't Favorite them because my Youtube is linked to my Facebook... and you know what kinds of questions you will get if your favorites consist of tons and tons of vlogs by TGs. Yeah... not all of the world is as understanding as I'd like it to be. |
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(02-26-2010, 07:45 AM)
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#32
Originally Posted by Alfarif:
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This picture? uhh I can explain really!
(02-26-2010, 07:49 AM)
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#34
Originally Posted by Android18a:
Originally Posted by lexi:
Question Number 1: Now that I've sat here for about an hour thinking on it... if anyone would like to share when they FIRST realized they didn't feel right in their traditional role and when you decided to actively make a change. Kind of a "getting to know you" I guess. |
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ganguro preacher (02-26-2010, 07:50 AM)
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I've had to stop myself a number of times in the recent past from making this thread. *laughs* So, it's funny that this thread comes along right as I've finally decided to stop holding back on being open about things around here.
Originally Posted by AkuMifune:
And - not that I would ever saying being gay is "easy" - the way to be gay and be happy is far easier than what it takes to be trans and be happy.
Originally Posted by PantherLotus:
I'm more a person who gets bothered by the intent of words than the words themselves. While I think it's better for people to be respectful and not use the word, if somebody does and I know they don't mean it in a harmful way, I don't make a big deal out of it unless the person is somebody who already annoys me. For me, "it" is a far, far worse term, because using that specifically makes the person being referred to sound less than human. |
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(02-26-2010, 07:52 AM)
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#37
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As for making a change, wanted to for years, but stuck living with a religious family... so its a case of moving out, then making the change. Hopefully this will be My Year. |
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ganguro preacher (02-26-2010, 07:53 AM)
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#38
Originally Posted by Alfarif:
And seriously... I guess I'm going to have to change my avatar now. I can't sit here talking seriously about trans issues with people reading my posts and seeing Mary's wacked-out face in their head speaking my words. *laughs* |
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Water is not wet!
(02-26-2010, 07:53 AM)
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#39
Originally Posted by a Master Ninja:
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During my childhood there was no hard forcing of male roles on me really.. just the general expected society stuff. i got teased mercilessly for bringing my unicorns and stars Lisa Frank notebook to school and after that i think i started unconsciously paying attention to gender roles more closely in effort to fit in and be spared the frustration. And as for the word tranny being offensive.. yes. And shemale.. omg i hate being called a shemale. That word invokes in me the down feelings of being called Sir/boy/man/Mr and the pissed off feeling of being demeaned. That being said, a good deal of the time there is no malice behind the words, just benign ignorance so its not something i typically go crazy over. edit:
Originally Posted by Alfarif:
The most telling part for me though was when i hit puberty i would constantly think about boys and getting pregnant. i honestly cannot remember a time when dreaming where i ever used my male body for anything sexual.. it was and has been always me being a woman with a guy, making out and whatnot. i went through a very long prude period of my life because i saw sex as pretty much worthless since i knew i couldnt have children and that screwed with my head during that time.
Last edited by water_wendi; 02-26-2010 at 08:05 AM.
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(02-26-2010, 07:55 AM)
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#40
Originally Posted by lexi:
I haven't mentioned it to anyone because if he's not ready to come out, I'm not going to do it for him. I just remember looking at it and going "wait, I know him..." |
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This picture? uhh I can explain really!
(02-26-2010, 07:56 AM)
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#41
Originally Posted by shidoshi:
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This picture? uhh I can explain really!
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#42
Originally Posted by Android18a:
Originally Posted by shidoshi:
If you change your avatar now, it will weird me out because I've already seen her whacked out face speaking to me. AH!
Last edited by Alfarif; 02-26-2010 at 08:01 AM.
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(02-26-2010, 07:59 AM)
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#43
Originally Posted by Alfarif:
Gonna fly away for a bit and stay with my favourite girl in aussie :-p |
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for whom the Bell trolls
(02-26-2010, 08:11 AM)
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#47
Originally Posted by Number 2:
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ganguro preacher (02-26-2010, 08:13 AM)
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#48
Originally Posted by Android18a:
Originally Posted by Alfarif:
I also understand the "can't transition because I can't be the person I want to be" feeling. When I finally forced myself to deal with all of this, my initial thoughts were that I'd never ever transition, because I didn't want to be a "fake" woman and because I'd never be perfect (perfect in regard to the me I feel I should be). That attitude changed, though, as I came to better understand my feelings, and understand that not being perfect is still okay. |
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This picture? uhh I can explain really!
(02-26-2010, 08:14 AM)
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#49
Originally Posted by Number 2:
Originally Posted by shidoshi:
It's not so much being a "fake" woman, but more that I wouldn't be the woman I would feel comfortable as. I'd be chasing that elusive feeling. Like I said above, I'm probably 90-99% comfortable in my body, but there are times when I'm like "I wish I was my wife," so I could wear a certain something or act a certain way and it not be viewed as "wrong" by the world at large. Does that make a lick of sense?
Last edited by Alfarif; 02-26-2010 at 08:21 AM.
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Short bus special
(02-26-2010, 08:16 AM)
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#50
Not a transsexual at all, but as many other people, I want to say that this is a great idea for a thread. Good job! Might get alot of people who are hiding it, be able to talk about it openly and "ease" their minds so to say. :D
Originally Posted by a Master Ninja:
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