[cartoon_soldier]

http://www.ivygateblog.com/2010/03/r...ise-its-awful/

Forced to chug a slurry of dogfood, tabasco sauce, and sour cream; Run relay races, while blackout drunk, through the great halls of the ADPhi manor–filled with flour, beer, and water–while being pelted with dodgeballs; Jog naked laps outside the house in the below-freezing Ithaca winter; Stand outside in a “lineup” for two hours, with only a shirt, jacket, tie and slacks.

Best part about all this though? People have to bring Porn to the lineup. :lol

-porn (can be magazine or video… extra points if you find Pirates 2 (can be downloaded and burned))

lol

So, GAF would you go through all that to join Alpha Delta Phi?

[Chichikov]

I never quite got the point of the Greek system, but since I gathered most of my info from Animal House and Revenge of The Nerds, I do concede that there might be a slight chance I'm misinformed.

[ILikeFeet]

I never understand this shit. I see no point and it's very demeaning.

[SnakeXs]

[grumble]

That's really not that bad. Hazing rituals serve the same purpose as the military: break you down individually and build you up as a group. For a frat, that's really useful.

Really bad is stuff in sports. It does the same thing (unites team), but it gets taken WAY too far:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/Jun...70886-sun.html

[Archer]

I was in a frat for a little while during university. I became bored with it, and with the people, and quit after a year. It goes without saying that they didn't like that.

I ended up with 3 BAs at the end of uni, and now am more successful than them.

It was pretty much a waste of time.

[Escape Goat]

That's really not that bad. Hazing rituals serve the same purpose as the military: break you down individually and build you up as a group. For a frat, that's really useful. Really bad is stuff in sports. It does the same thing (unites team), but it gets taken WAY too far: http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/Jun...70886-sun.html

These guys only did this once. And what exactly were they breaking down? They were doing it for shits and giggles. Hardly reshaping military puts you through.

[Thagomizer]

That's really not that bad. Hazing rituals serve the same purpose as the military: break you down individually and build you up as a group. For a frat, that's really useful. Really bad is stuff in sports. It does the same thing (unites team), but it gets taken WAY too far: http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/Jun...70886-sun.html

:lol :lol :lol

at, not with

[Aruarian Reflection]

What kind of stuff is involved with sorority hazing? Only things I've heard about are paddling and breast flicking. Starvation too

[equap]

I never understand this shit. I see no point and it's very demeaning.

this :\

[Archer]

What kind of stuff is involved with sorority hazing? Only things I've heard about are paddling and breast flicking

Some of the nastier ones send the girls in and train the football team.

[weepy]

Some of the nastier ones send the girls in and train the football team.

Not too bad...right?

[Escape Goat]

Hazing was barred on my campus and if you got caught doing it they would shut your entire house down.

Lambda Chi got caught and their house still sits abandoned on frat row.

[siddx]

I'm constantly amazed that these "brew drinking lets get some pussy yeah bro awesome" frat boys don't realize most of their hazing rituals are absurdly gay. How do you maintain a facade of being a close minded macho twat when your "brothers" are forcing you to get naked and run around to amuse them?

Nothing is worth demeaning yourself for. Not sex, not a job, and definitely not a damn frat.



And because i'm sure, like the last frat house thread we had, people will come by to decry stereotyping frats, I will add that not every fraternity is like this.
Just like how not every asshole smells like shit :P

[Daheza]

Currently in a fraternity and hazing is barred by the school and by the fraternity itself.

edit*
Also whats up with this negative stereotype of fraternities? I joined because it gave me more opportunities to be social and i can help more people with a group. Just last week we went and read to kids. Sure a lot of people drink but who doesn't in college.

[jon bones]

did someone just compare hazing in frats with building discipline in the military

:lol

[Immortal_Daemon]

None of those things are that bad.

I wouldn't bother going through all of that just to make friends with some people. Frats make no sense to me anyway, since they cost tons of money.

I know tons of people who wouldn't mind doing this, though. They do that kind of crap every time they drink anyway, so doing it to get into a frat is just business as usual.

EDIT:
Some frats do go too far, though. They're just waaaaaaay more rare than movies and media would have you believe.

[Parallax Scroll]

What kind of stuff is involved with sorority hazing? Only things I've heard about are paddling and breast flicking. Starvation too

2 that come to mind: Making the pledges wear ridiculous costumes to school, and not letting them talk to boys for a week.

[effingvic]

Hazing is done to ensure fiercely loyalty amongst the brothers. When you go through so much shit to be a part of something, you treat it very special.

My old room mate went through some crazy shit during his pledge. That's the best part about rooming with a frat boy. You get all the benefits without any of the obligations.

did someone just compare hazing in frats with building discipline in the military :lol

Pick up the book "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion". Cialdini has a section that talks about fraternity hazing and it's really interesting stuff.

[weepy]

I'm constantly amazed that these "brew drinking lets get some pussy yeah bro awesome" frat boys don't realize most of their hazing rituals are absurdly gay. How do you maintain a facade of being a close minded macho twat when your "brothers" are forcing you to get naked and run around to amuse them? Nothing is worth demeaning yourself for. Not sex, not a job, and definitely not a damn frat. And because i'm sure, like the last frat house thread we had, people will come by to decry stereotyping frats, I will add that not every fraternity is like this. Just like how not every asshole smells like shit :P

I agree, to an extent. If the fraternity is a successful one with prominent alumnus then it could be that networking you could use for said future job, career, home, etc. Also, if the frat is especially popular then the aspect of getting pussy increase by just being Greek by associating. If it means humiliating myself for a few weeks, well I guess I'll have to weigh my options..

[eggandI]

I'm constantly amazed that these "brew drinking lets get some pussy yeah bro awesome" frat boys don't realize most of their hazing rituals are absurdly gay. How do you maintain a facade of being a close minded macho twat when your "brothers" are forcing you to get naked and run around to amuse them? Nothing is worth demeaning yourself for. Not sex, not a job, and definitely not a damn frat. And because i'm sure, like the last frat house thread we had, people will come by to decry stereotyping frats, I will add that not every fraternity is like this. Just like how not every asshole smells like shit :P

:lol :lol

SOMEONE'S bitter!

[siddx]

I agree, to an extent. If the fraternity is a successful one with prominent alumnus then it could be that networking you could use for said future job, career, home, etc. Also, if the frat is especially popular then the aspect of getting pussy increase by just being Greek by associating. If it means humiliating myself for a few weeks, well I guess I'll have to weigh my options..

You can get all those things by working hard and being friendly. Without demeaning yourself for the amusement of someone else. If people are ok with doing it to themselves they should go right ahead. But personally I would never subject myself to that kind of nonsense just to get a shortcut through life.

:lol :lol SOMEONE'S bitter!

People shouldn't be allowed on gaf without the ability to recognize a humorous rant that takes one part truth and adds anger and venom in order to amuse oneself and possibly one or two others. It's the staple of gaf posts. Nobody is as angry as they appear child.

[thebigtony]

nevermind.

[Escape Goat]

Some of you people need to learn how to have fun. When you're 20 you're supposed to be stupid, impulsive and experiencing life. Because once you get older you don't really have the excuse of being young anymore.

[cwmartin]

Some of you people need to learn how to have fun. When you're 20 you're supposed to be stupid, impulsive and experiencing life. Because once you get older you don't really have the excuse of being young anymore.

I'll be young at heart. FOREVER. Like 6 year old young.

Real Reply: My dad was an airforce man for 23 years and from a young age I was taught the exact opposite of what was trained and pushed into him for all those years. He wanted me to gain experience and learn through my own intellect and hard work, and often pushed that I can be successful without incorporating myself into a group, even the like minded or ones I found appealing. Self success and hard work was the overall message my dad brought home with him, even being in the "Hoo-Rah", all for one, group above self life in the military he led, which I admired.

I can recognize the benefits that joining groups of likeminded individuals and the importance of forming a collective group, im just giving my experience. I suppose thats why I've never seen the appeal or need to become a part of these groups when I would feel better about myself with accomplishing or failing on my own.

[eggandI]

You can get all those things by working hard and being friendly. Without demeaning yourself for the amusement of someone else. If people are ok with doing it to themselves they should go right ahead. But personally I would never subject myself to that kind of nonsense just to get a shortcut through life. People shouldn't be allowed on gaf without the ability to recognize a humorous rant that takes one part truth and adds anger and venom in order to amuse oneself and possibly one or two others. It's the staple of gaf posts. Nobody is as angry as they appear child.

Oh it's just a humorous rant? my fault. You just happen to have a very bitter sense of humor, I guess. :)

[I AM JOHN!]

A really good friend of mine is in a different frat in Cornell. He also had to do some totally nuts stuff (albeit not as bad as this) like play airsoft gun Russian Roulette. He's incredibly loyal to his frat and his brothers there, but the sense I get from him is that when you're in a small town, middle-of-nowhere place like Ithaca, Greek life is usually one of your only options if you want to be a partier or have a lot of doors opened for you like that. Of course, when you're from New York City most places are going to seem small town and middle-of-nowhere, but I'd guess that why Greek life has such prominence of some campuses.

Frats aren't that big a deal at my school, though, so what do I know?

[siddx]

Oh it's just a humorous rant? my fault. You just happen to have a very bitter sense of humor, I guess. :)

Bitterness would indicate I have a personal grudge against frats. We didn't even have frats at my university. I dislike the concept, not the experience, I have no experience with them. Well, besides kicking drunk frat boys out of the strip club.

[mikeybwright]

Hazing is done in good fun, I was in a fraternity and as people have mentioned, if done right it creates loyalty, if done incorrectly people are scarred for life.

[cartoon_soldier]

Some of you people need to learn how to have fun. When you're 20 you're supposed to be stupid, impulsive and experiencing life. Because once you get older you don't really have the excuse of being young anymore.

There is no excuse for being stupid.

[weepy]

You can get all those things by working hard and being friendly. Without demeaning yourself for the amusement of someone else. If people are ok with doing it to themselves they should go right ahead. But personally I would never subject myself to that kind of nonsense just to get a shortcut through life.

I wouldn't necessarily call it a "shortcut" since it's not a sure thing, but it's something you could use as an option. Besides, it looks good on resumes and you never know who your future boss might be. I'm pretty much playing devil's advocate here, hazing was one of the reasons I didn't join as well as a "fee" that I'd have to pay too.

[Lunchbox]

would

btw, i got a email from Omega Psi Phi ? what are their rep GAF?

[thebigtony]

A really good friend of mine is in a different frat in Cornell. He also had to do some totally nuts stuff (albeit not as bad as this) like play airsoft gun Russian Roulette. He's incredibly loyal to his frat and his brothers there, but the sense I get from him is that when you're in a small town, middle-of-nowhere place like Ithaca, Greek life is usually one of your only options if you want to be a partier or have a lot of doors opened for you like that. Of course, when you're from New York City most places are going to seem small town and middle-of-nowhere, but I'd guess that why Greek life has such prominence of some campuses. Frats aren't that big a deal at my school, though, so what do I know?

You pretty much got it on point.

[MIMIC]

The only form of hazing I support is that of younger siblings.

[-PXG-]

My brother was in ADPhi. He ended up quitting. He said it was such a colossal waste of time. I never had any interest in fraternities at all.

[Stinkles]

That's really not that bad. Hazing rituals serve the same purpose as the military: break you down individually and build you up as a group. For a frat, that's really useful.

No. It's retarded. See: Millions of normal adult males who never did this, functioning well in society having never participated in childish repressed homo-erotic rituals.

[Lunchbox]

No. It's retarded. See: Millions of normal adult males who never did this, functioning well in society having never participated in childish repressed homo-erotic rituals.

OuterWorldVoice
drunk, naked and
uncooperative
(Today, 03:23 PM)


shouldve joined one

[Koomaster]

None of that is even that bad. I hope no one is seriously complaining about any of that. That's pretty tame as far as hazing goes.

[Wormdundee]

Defense of hazing is lol. Let's welcome new recruits by demeaning them! Just a heads up, you can build loyalty to your group without forcing people to eat dog food. If you compare this to the military you deserve to be bitch slapped.

[cwmartin]

None of that is even that bad. I hope no one is seriously complaining about any of that. That's pretty tame as far as hazing goes.

What'd you have to do for the coveted acceptance?

[Dresden]

Fraternities are dumb as hell.

I've never once stood up and said, 'by god, now THERE'S a fraternity man.' I guess it's helpful for building social networks... if you value rich white kids who think beer pong is the height of culture.

[Lunchbox]

ITT people who would never get into fraternities complain about them

[Dresden]

ITT people who would never get into fraternities complain about them

So you had so little respect for yourself that you made yourself someone's bitch for a day, just to make some friends? :lol

[Escape Goat]

There is no excuse for being stupid.

mmmkay

[Stinkles]

ITT people who would never get into fraternities complain about them

In this thread, people who suspect they may be sheep, bleat at the people standing outside the pen.

Either you're creating a club based on association rather than merit, or you're doing something with no demonstrable benefit that demeans you in a best case and encourages misogyny, racism and worse in the bad cases.

There are plenty of fraternities without hazing, date-rape or idiocy. The OP is not about those.

[Lunchbox]

in a best case and encourages misogyny, racism and worse in the bad cases

Whaaaa?

sorry you joined the kkk, but thats no frat

[-PXG-]

So you had so little respect for yourself that you made yourself someone's bitch for a day, just to make some friends? :lol

Shots fired :lol

[Escape Goat]

there are two types of fraternities. Social and professional. kind of tells you right there what its about. Not sure why everyones acting so indignant about this.

[JCX]

I've heard mostly good things from friends and relatives about their fraternity and sorority experiences. I know it isn't really for me, so I found other social networks to join (student orgs).

I does make sense that the hazing is meant to build cohesion based on common experiences, but I think that could be accomplished just as easily/quickly by simply partying with each other instead of weird rituals.

[Shanadeus]

I don't mind hazing routines as long as they're not humiliating or homo-erotic

Now this?

* Forced to chug a slurry of dogfood, tabasco sauce, and sour cream; * Run relay races, while blackout drunk, through the great halls of the ADPhi manor–filled with flour, beer, and water–while being pelted with dodgeballs; * Jog naked laps outside the house in the below-freezing Ithaca winter; * Stand outside in a “lineup” for two hours, with only a shirt, jacket, tie and slacks.

No thanks.