[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

I'm a III on the scale and, at 26, had resigned myself to becoming completely bald fairly soon. I'll look terrible (I have a huge head) and worse still, my girlfriend has hinted that she'll probably leave me when it happens (seriously) but, after trying various different options I essentially gave up trying to fight something that would happen eventually anyway.

However... where my hairline has receded majorly at the front and on my temples, I still have a 'layer' of hair that resembles my hairline as was. It's very thin, like baby's hair and doesn't get any longer at all. But, it doesn't entirely die away either. It's been there for a year, perhaps longer and as my hairline continues to recede, it remains, giving me false hope that it may grow back.

I'm beginning Propecia this Friday in an attempt to regrow these sections. I know chances of it stopping hairloss can be slim, so I'm guessing chances of it regrowing hair are even slimmer still, but has anybody had this happen?

I'm not expecting too much, if anything, but I just think the fact that I am actively trying to do something will make me feel better, still can't quite come to terms with being completely bald as sad as that sounds :-(

[Davedough]

and worse still, my girlfriend has hinted that she'll probably leave me when it happens (seriously)

If she's serious about this, get rid of her, she's not worth it. Thats some shallow shit right there.

As far as big heads, I wear a 7 3/4 hat, have a huge fucking melon and I like the way I look bald better than I did with hair. Hit the gym and bulk up a bit with the bald head and you'll find plenty of replacements for Miss MaryJane Rottencrotch up there that'll all want to rub your head for luck.

[Derwind]

If she's serious about this, get rid of her, she's not worth it. Thats some shallow shit right there. As far as big heads, I wear a 7 3/4 hat, have a huge fucking melon and I like the way I look bald better than I did with hair. Hit the gym and bulk up a bit with the bald head and you'll find plenty of replacements for Miss MaryJane Rottencrotch up there that'll all want to rub your head for luck.

[Trin3785]

:lol I can't be the only one with the residual self image thing, right?

I never see my reflection in my dreams i dont think.....

[Megalodactyl]

So guys, im at III now, and starting to go into III vertex, I'm also 21, should I just cueball it? Rogaine works, but then it all falls out again, this really sucks to be balding so much so young.

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

If she's serious about this, get rid of her, she's not worth it. Thats some shallow shit right there. As far as big heads, I wear a 7 3/4 hat, have a huge fucking melon and I like the way I look bald better than I did with hair. Hit the gym and bulk up a bit with the bald head and you'll find plenty of replacements for Miss MaryJane Rottencrotch up there that'll all want to rub your head for luck.

Heh, thanks for that!
I've been thinking of splitting with her for a while over miscellaneous issues anyway so it's on the cards but, as you say, it is shallow as hell. I've helped her through some pretty tough situations and illnesses she had but god forbid I'm no longer as 'good looking' as I was 4 years ago! Suddenly everything else is forgotten. Ah well life goes on. I'll save it for a Girl-Age thread down the line.

As for bulking up, I'm actually currently working out about 4 times a week. Been trying to on and off since I was 18 but only now taking it seriously. I'm a couple of months in and already seeing some increase in my arms and chest so that has me feeling great about myself at the moment :-)

[Barrage]

I'm a 5A. Been shaving for a year now, I consider it not only an improvement, but also 10X easier to manage.


Just got a razor for Easter, so I can start doing it myself and saving the cash I would usually spend at the barber's.

Gotta wonder if it's a light-skin half-black thing, haha. Vin Diesel, Jason Kidd, Derek Jeter...Blake Griffin better watch his ass!

[Bufbaf]

I was just browsing through some old pictures, it's really insane how stupid I looked once my hair loss became really visible. Didn't find pics of my once really, really long hair (like Metalhead-long), so yeah.

[xelios]

^Damn, that's a shame. You had nice hair.

I've been at stage II for years. I started finasteride early and am a good responder apparently.

[Bufbaf]

^Damn, that's a shame. You had nice hair.

It just looks okay on that pic, it has always been very, very thin and impossible to get in shape. Then, the bald spot on the back of my head kept growing, more and more skin became visible and.. well, let's say I'm a lot happier now :)

(Also, the first picture is almost 10 years old now :) )

[xelios]

It just looks okay on that pic, it has always been very, very thin and impossible to get in shape. Then, the bald spot on the back of my head kept growing, more and more skin became visible and.. well, let's say I'm a lot happier now :)

You still look good, if a bit intimidating (which is only a good thing for a man imo). I can't imagine how I would look, prolly pretty goofy. I sincerely hope in the next decade there is some major breakthrough just in case.

[FunkyPajamas]

It's good that you have thick eyebrows, Bufbaf, I've always thought it looks good with shaved hair. Well, not Sesame Street's Bert-thick, but I think you get the idea. And I think you look better with just the goatee than with the whole curtain (no offense).

We should have some sort of yearly checkup to see if we've had any progress for those of you on medication, and maybe a collection of "before-after" for those of us who've come to accept our bald fate. What say you guys?

[zazrx]

Do you guys use a blade to shave or when you say you shave you mean you buzz it with no guard?

And what's the best hair clipper one can get? One that gets your hair as low as possible. I embraced the head shaving ways not too long ago but my hair clipper apparently isn't that great and doesn't give me a as close shave as I would like.

[Saerk]

According to that chart I'm at a IV or V. I'm really considering shaving especially after I caught a glimpse of my bald spot in the back on a security feed. It had pretty much gone away while I was on medication, but I stopped that about 2 years ago. Propecia (well Proscar cut up) was seriously messing with my mood. I seemed more depressive, and my libido was shot. I quit medicating after being on it for several years, and I have no intention of going back on meds. Transplants don't really look like a good solution.

My question to the forum is what is the best way to shave and maintain the look? Are there any recommended razors for the scalp? Do you guys use something like shaving cream? I just want something quick and easy that I could take care of each Saturday.

[evil solrac v3.0]

the back of my head has been itching like crazy lately. I scratch and now I've noticed that coverage back there is ever so thinner, should i worry or is it just an itch?

edit: to clarify, I think I am less than a I on the vertex scale. but I want to know my options for battling this.

edit 2: no, wait. lookign again I think I am I and a quarter or 1.10 on that scale.....

[Bufbaf]

Do you guys use a blade to shave or when you say you shave you mean you buzz it with no guard? And what's the best hair clipper one can get? One that gets your hair as low as possible. I embraced the head shaving ways not too long ago but my hair clipper apparently isn't that great and doesn't give me a as close shave as I would like.

Blade here, so no ideas on a hair clipper.

[Of All Trades]

Do you guys use a blade to shave or when you say you shave you mean you buzz it with no guard? And what's the best hair clipper one can get? One that gets your hair as low as possible. I embraced the head shaving ways not too long ago but my hair clipper apparently isn't that great and doesn't give me a as close shave as I would like.

I use a Mach 3 in the shower every 5 days or so. Works great. I used to use a Phillips electric shaver (the kind with the three circle blades that conform to surfaces) and that worked pretty well, although I had to shave every 3 days or so. The plus side was that I could do stuff while I shaved, the down side is that it took longer and wasn't as smooth.

[FunkyPajamas]

I use a hair clipper and buzz with no guard. I honestly don't know the brand so I'll look into it once I get home. I think it works great and I don't really like shaving anymore because it takes me too long to be extra careful so I don't cut myself. Since I'm always in a hurry I rarely have enough time to spend on shaving my head.

This is what I look like when I trim my hair with my clipper, no guard. For anything shorter than that (basically no hair at all) you'll definitely have to use a razor.
Excuse the look, I was out in the woods and ran face-first into the ugly tree.


[edit] This is what I use:

Wahl Home Cut 17-Piece Complete Haircutting Kit


It's cheap, it works, it's durable.

[Reckoner]

Well, my case is a little different. I'm not suffering from male pattern baldness but yes the consequences of a crash diet. A really extreme crash diet I finished a year ago. The thing is, some months after starting it I've experienced extreme hair loss since never before. I saw lots and lots of hairs while on bath and everywhere I went - specially in my room where I spend most of my free time.

My question is: I've been seeing my hair becoming thicker, but just a bit over time. Is it going to look even better with time and is it normal to keep falling out but in smaller amounts? I read somewhere that it is normal, since hair that is already dead keeps falling and will be replaced with new active hair. Is it true and can I be optimist about it?

[Rocket Punch]

I had the thickest head of hair as a teenager. So much that I wished I didn't have so much. I guess I got my wish, hehe. I started losing hair at 21 and it progressed to peach hair until now. I'm 36 and now a days I just shave it off.

Funny thing about residual self image. My Mii still had hair until 1 year ago. Also, sometimes I would dream that I still have tons of hair and freak out when I realize I'm starting to lose it (LOL).

Now a days I'm alrite with my bald head. Shaving it is the best you can do. I have decent head shape so this helps a lot.

Just remember folks, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I think I look fucking hot.

[FunkyPajamas]

Just remember folks, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I think I look fucking hot.

That's the spirit, 100% agreed. I realized years ago that a lot of girls prefer a guy who acts hot instead of a guy that just looks hot.

My question is: I've been seeing my hair becoming thicker, but just a bit over time. Is it going to look even better with time and is it normal to keep falling out but in smaller amounts? I read somewhere that it is normal, since hair that is already dead keeps falling and will be replaced with new active hair. Is it true and can I be optimist about it?

There really isn't a unique answer for your question to be honest. Your case could be a matter of diet based on the opening of your post, so maybe if you went back to a diet rich with nutrients good for your scalp your hair will go back to how it was before. Maybe you're just experiencing what most of us did back when we started the one way path to being bald. I think it's best if you consult your doctor. However, if you started noticing your hair falling more than before it's definitely not "normal" (well, it's normal if you're going bald, it just isn't desirable). If you want to do something about it now's the time. I wouldn't wait more than a couple of months if I were you.

[Reckoner]

That's the spirit, 100% agreed. I realized years ago that a lot of girls prefer a guy who acts hot instead of a guy that just looks hot. There really isn't a unique answer for your question to be honest. Your case could be a matter of diet based on the opening of your post, so maybe if you went back to a diet rich with nutrients good for your scalp your hair will go back to how it was before. Maybe you're just experiencing what most of us did back when we started the one way path to being bald. I think it's best if you consult your doctor. However, if you started noticing your hair falling more than before it's definitely not "normal" (well, it's normal if you're going bald, it just isn't desirable). If you want to do something about it now's the time. I wouldn't wait more than a couple of months if I were you.

I have already lost lots of hair while dieting, then it slowed and now it just falls a bit, like I said in my post.

I also went to a dermatologist back then and he gave me some products that didn't anything back when I noticed it was falling. He also said it is normal to occur after a crash diet. I only want to be certain that it is going to go back to normal since it is getting better so slowly. and I'm still not sure of the results.

I stopped dieting a year ago.

Ah, maybe this is important. It all started when I was 16/17. I'm 18 since some months ago. it's not normal to occur at this age, I presume. So yeah, it is certain it happened because of that diet.

[Anteater]

I was born with really thin hair, I already look pretty dumb when my hair is wet, I've been losing hair the last couple years, I think it's gotten a bit better where I don't notice much hair in the shower, but the hair I do lose, they don't grow back :'(

I'm pretty sure it's genes, my brother is losing hair too and he's a few years older than me.

I'm going to look more retarded without hair :lol

[entrement]

I've had some minor hair loss. Mostly in receding hairline. No bald spots, yet.

I've accepted it. Going the Bruce Willis, Jason Statham route if I lose more.

Ironically, losing my hair had made more careful of my appearance. I guess I'm overcompensating--I care more about fitness, grooming, and fashion now, and the ladies are noticing. So that's the silver lining to that cloud.

[Anteater]

oh yea I should ask here, I've also noticed itchiness on the scalp, I get irritation on the eyebrow as well sometimes (except I'm not losing eyebrows..), is this just a symptom of male pattern baldness?

[Bufbaf]

oh yea I should ask here, I've also noticed itchiness on the scalp, I get irritation on the eyebrow as well sometimes (except I'm not losing eyebrows..), is this just a symptom of male pattern baldness?

No, man, not really :) You don't actually *feel* your hair falling out :) Maybe try another shampoo, it sounds more like you might be allergic to something or just have a sensitive skin.

[Soka]

So GAF, thought I'd check in with you guys about options. I'm 23 and have thinning hair on the top of my head from the front hair line back to the crown. My hairline overall has not shortened actually, I'm just overall experiencing thinning hair in a "strip" on the top of my head. It looks basically like Step I from the OP, but with just thinner hair along the center... I crappily Photoshopped it as follows:



Anyone have experience with options for this? I've had zero comments from anyone including my barber, I've just noticed it slowly over the past year. I'd honestly be 100% happy if I could retain the hair I have now, so if I can't get back what I've lost, that's not a big deal. Basically, at the age of 23, I am a bit disappointed with my genetic lot, but am facing it for what it is and considering my options. Mostly, I do not want to just let it keep falling out and try to hold onto it once it's too far gone; I'm not there yet, but maybe within 1-2 years.

I've thought of some options and would like input/experience from anyone on GAF that's dealt with this.

1) Shave it off. I have very potent facial features that I think go well with a shaved head; I'm also in pretty solid physical shape so I've got that benefit too. I can grow a full beard, which I wouldn't do, but it gives me facial hair options too, though I think 2-3 day stubble would be the best bet.

2) Rogaine. Seems like this might be an okay option for maintaining what I have without a ton of money or risks.

3) Hair transplants. I can afford them from one of the more well-known ones, but I'm mostly thinking this is still a lot of money for something I'm not THAT worried about. Also, potential scars so that when I'm, say, 40+ and am ready to lose my hair, I'd have nasty scars forever.

4) Oral medicines. I've heard lots of potentially permanent side effects which worry me. Any thoughts on these?

TLDR: I'm 23, not bald, not really a receding hairline, but my hair is thinning. I'd like to hold onto it until I'm ~30, after that, fuck it. I know acting on it before it gets awful can make this process potentially much easier. Looking for advice.

[To Far Away Times]

Still have my hair for now, though it is beginning to recede. When the time comes, I will fully embrace going bald.

[Dead Man]

Shit, better post in here, too. The only thing I regret about going bald (not there yet, but well on my way, type III vertex looking at that image, although my hairline is still in the same location as ever) is that I shaved my head for years when I had great hair, and now that it is going I want it long :( Oh well!

[Feep]

My hair's way too thin for its own good.

No one seems to be considering hair transplantation, though? I would like only need 500-750 grafts, and there's a highly reviewed place in San Diego doing it for three bucks per graft. I feel like 2k is a good deal, considering this is the one thing absolutely shattering my self-confidence.

Also, I look fucking AWFUL bald. I can't grow facial hair to save my life, and I'll never be a bulky guy.

[Ichor]

I'm hoping I won't go bald; I have my mother's hair, and my maternal grandfather still has a full head of thick hair even though he's at death's door.

[big_z]

Soka welcome to the club. What you have diffuse thinning. I have the same type of hair loss. I use 1/4 proscar a day and it's slowed my hairloss enough to give me a few extra years. I started at 23 and I'm close to 29 and now my hair is getting too thin. I might try adding rogaine but I don't know if it's worth it.
There's really no stopping the inevitable.

those of you thinking transplant stop. It's a temporary fix and once your hairloss progresses further you're left with areas of transplanted hair and scars from the donor area.

[Feep]

fix and once your hairloss progresses further you're left with areas of transplanted hair and scars from the donor area.

From what I understand, newer techniques (FUE) do not lay down strips of skin...they punch in anywhere from 1-4 follicles directly into the scalp, essentially leaving no visible scarring. It may not be permanent, if my hair is too thin now, why not get a few more years? My only other option is to shave it now, which I might as well do later.

On the assumption that there will be no scarring, anyway.

Edit: Seriously, some of these YouTube videos of FUE are really amazing.

Edit more: Yeah, there might be some seriously impressive techniques down the line. Who knows?

[Kanyon]

I started losing my har at 25 and now at 30, I just shave it once a week with a razor blade... Gillette Fusion FTW!

I do get a few comments from ladies how they love the whole five o'clock shadow all over my head the day after I shave it. Sometimes when I wear certain sunglasses I do get the 'Hey it's Pitbull' comments from a few friends, especially if I decide to grow a goatee and flavour saver!

Did think about looking into hair transplants and so on, but I figured something better will eventually come out down the track that has no side effects and looks natural. Besides, it's more of a convenience now to just shave it once a week as it only takes me about 5 - 10 minutes in the shower.

[big_z]

From what I understand, newer techniques (FUE) do not lay down strips of skin...they punch in anywhere from 1-4 follicles directly into the scalp, essentially leaving no visible scarring. It may not be permanent, if my hair is too thin now, why not get a few more years? My only other option is to shave it now, which I might as well do later. On the assumption that there will be no scarring, anyway.

You get scarring with both methods. It depends if you want tons of small white scar dots or a line. Both screw you over when it comes to shaving your head in the future.

[Feep]

You get scarring with both methods. It depends if you want tons of small white scar dots or a line. Both screw you over when it comes to shaving your head in the future.

IN THE FUTURE I WILL BE A ROBOT, SHUT UP

[mattiewheels]

Are there prescriptions you guys use that stop loss and that really works for you? I always knew about propecia, but it always seemed too good to be true. If I could keep my hair as it is now I'd be a happy camper.

[Soka]

Soka welcome to the club. What you have diffuse thinning. I have the same type of hair loss. I use 1/4 proscar a day and it's slowed my hairloss enough to give me a few extra years. I started at 23 and I'm close to 29 and now my hair is getting too thin. I might try adding rogaine but I don't know if it's worth it. There's really no stopping the inevitable.

This is exactly what I want, just a few more years. It sounds silly, but I'd like to look back at my wedding photos and be able to reminisce on having hair, haha. Who did you go to see for your hair loss, a dermatologist? I'm not even sure who I should go for consultation on this... seems a dermatologist or endocrinologist.

[GavinGT]

A few questions -

1) The company that makes Rogaine claims it only works on the anterior of the skull, meaning it won't do anything for a receding hairline. Is this true?

2) I'm planning to get a hair transplant at some point. I'm 25 now, and I'm basically at stage IIIA, with no hair left on my temples and only a thin strip still present down the middle. At what age should I do the surgery so that way more doesn't fall out post-surgery and I don't end up with a patchy head of hair?

3) I kind of always hated my hair even when I had it. It's like platinum blonde and it gets curly and uncooperative if I let it grow over an inch or so. I don't suppose there's anything that can be done about that? The hair from the back isn't of a different composition, is it?

I told my mom I wanted to shave it all, and she was repulsed by the idea. I think she feels guilty because I might have a visible scar on my head from when I was a baby and I tripped.

[weekend_warrior]

I told my mom I wanted to shave it all, and she was repulsed by the idea. I think she feels guilty because I might have a visible scar on my head from when I was a baby and I tripped.

What!? That's even more reason to shave your head, visible scars + shaved head= awesome!

[GavinGT]

What!? That's even more reason to shave your head, visible scars + shaved head= awesome!

I would need to concoct a cooler story to go with it than, "I was two years old and I tripped and hit the corner of a drawer".

[Dead Man]

I would need to concoct a cooler story to go with it than, "I was two years old and I tripped and hit the corner of a drawer".

Nah, that story works. Just make it funny. I have a scar on my cheek that looks like some crazy knife fight scar but is from a coffee table when I was two, play up the humour, people love it.

[GavinGT]

Nah, that story works. Just make it funny. I have a scar on my cheek that looks like some crazy knife fight scar but is from a coffee table when I was two, play up the humour, people love it.

Nah, I think I'll go with "knife fight".

Or I could just say I got scalped, hence the baldness.

[Soka]

A few questions - 1) The company that makes Rogaine claims it only works on the anterior of the skull, meaning it won't do anything for a receding hairline. Is this true? 2) I'm planning to get a hair transplant at some point. I'm 25 now, and I'm basically at stage IIIA, with no hair left on my temples and only a thin strip still present down the middle. At what age should I do the surgery so that way more doesn't fall out post-surgery and I don't end up with a patchy head of hair? 3) I kind of always hated my hair even when I had it. It's like platinum blonde and it gets curly and uncooperative if I let it grow over an inch or so. I don't suppose there's anything that can be done about that? The hair from the back isn't of a different composition, is it? I told my mom I wanted to shave it all, and she was repulsed by the idea. I think she feels guilty because I might have a visible scar on my head from when I was a baby and I tripped.

When hair is transplanted, it's given a certain direction which should look natural (if done properly). Besides the angle of the implant, I don't think anything can be done about the curliness (unless, for some reason, the hairs on the back of your head aren't curly).

[Bomber Bob]

it's really insane how stupid I looked once my hair loss became really visible.

Dame here

[FunkyPajamas]

So GAF, thought I'd check in with you guys about options. I'm 23 and have thinning hair on the top of my head from the front hair line back to the crown. My hairline overall has not shortened actually, I'm just overall experiencing thinning hair in a "strip" on the top of my head. It looks basically like Step I from the OP, but with just thinner hair along the center... I crappily Photoshopped it as follows: Anyone have experience with options for this? I've had zero comments from anyone including my barber, I've just noticed it slowly over the past year. I'd honestly be 100% happy if I could retain the hair I have now, so if I can't get back what I've lost, that's not a big deal. Basically, at the age of 23, I am a bit disappointed with my genetic lot, but am facing it for what it is and considering my options. Mostly, I do not want to just let it keep falling out and try to hold onto it once it's too far gone; I'm not there yet, but maybe within 1-2 years. I've thought of some options and would like input/experience from anyone on GAF that's dealt with this. 1) Shave it off. I have very potent facial features that I think go well with a shaved head; I'm also in pretty solid physical shape so I've got that benefit too. I can grow a full beard, which I wouldn't do, but it gives me facial hair options too, though I think 2-3 day stubble would be the best bet. 2) Rogaine. Seems like this might be an okay option for maintaining what I have without a ton of money or risks. 3) Hair transplants. I can afford them from one of the more well-known ones, but I'm mostly thinking this is still a lot of money for something I'm not THAT worried about. Also, potential scars so that when I'm, say, 40+ and am ready to lose my hair, I'd have nasty scars forever. 4) Oral medicines. I've heard lots of potentially permanent side effects which worry me. Any thoughts on these? TLDR: I'm 23, not bald, not really a receding hairline, but my hair is thinning. I'd like to hold onto it until I'm ~30, after that, fuck it. I know acting on it before it gets awful can make this process potentially much easier. Looking for advice.

Honestly, Soka, I would go with option number one. That means you've accepted who you are and you've decided to look good not despite but because of it. A lot of girls will tell you that people with the characteristics you've described are considered sexy and hot. So go for it. Every other options is trying to just delay the inevitable in my opinion. You'll be spending a lot of money and you'll probably won't feel 100% happy with your choice since it's something you just cannot stop.

[Deified Data]

Started going bald at 18. At 22, I had a bald spot and a slightly receding hairline. I decided to shave off all my hair and go for the scorched-earth policy. It's one of the best decisions I've ever made. I don't understand people who simply abide baldness when they could shave. I've gotten nothing but compliments since doing so. A lot of people I know tell me they don't even remember what my hair looked like, so it's not like it ever did me any favors.

[Soka]

The advice is appreciated, FunkyPajamas (and others). I'm actually pretty sure I'll look good with a shaved head. I've pretty much resigned myself to 2-ish options; 1) shave it 2) rogaine / oral meds to hold it off for a few (3-5 years)... but, even then, I'm not sure it's that important to me. Just thinking out loud.

[Log4Girlz]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0901134641.htm

I've read of some techniques in Britain using stemcells, though I am not sure if it involves the cells in this article. But it seems that baldness will be curable in a few years.

"Just wanted to step in and inform balding people of something i've had a good experience with - ketaconazole 2% shampoo (brand name is Nizoral in the USA). I use it for seborrheic dermatitis, which is excess oiliness and flakiness on my scalp, as well as around my eyebrows, ears and nose. This stuff has worked wonders for it - not a flake in sight now."

Oh crap, why must you be banned, I have this condition as well. I will inquire about this shampoo.

[SalsaShark]

took a couple pics of my situation in the other thread, might as well post here








bald-gaf represent

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0901134641.htm I've read of some techniques in Britain using stemcells, though I am not sure if it involves the cells in this article. But it seems that baldness will be curable in a few years. "Just wanted to step in and inform balding people of something i've had a good experience with - ketaconazole 2% shampoo (brand name is Nizoral in the USA). I use it for seborrheic dermatitis, which is excess oiliness and flakiness on my scalp, as well as around my eyebrows, ears and nose. This stuff has worked wonders for it - not a flake in sight now." Oh crap, why must you be banned, I have this condition as well. I will inquire about this shampoo.

I think seborrheic dermatitis was a big part of the cause of my receding hair line at the front (mixed with just bald genes) and i didnt catch it on time. I still get that kinda thing there from time to time, but i remember the syntoms showing up precisely there on my forehead, where my hair began.