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LiK · (03-26-2012, 04:53 PM)

Originally Posted by ZenaxPure:

Haha.... This just happened to me. I hadn't even heard of the show since I don't visit GT regularly anymore but I saw the AVGN one here on gaf, watched and enjoyed it, and then watched every episode in a row. This show is exactly the kind of stuff I love in video game entertainment.

I KNEW IT! :)

nan0 · (04-20-2012, 01:53 PM)

New episode "Saving Purple Yoshi": http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/729213

Myriadis · (04-20-2012, 02:09 PM)

Originally Posted by nan0:

New episode "Saving Purple Yoshi": http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/729213

Ouch. Finding all 30 watermelons in each level is already really hard, but finding every single coin is even worse.

LiK · (04-20-2012, 04:47 PM)

Originally Posted by nan0:

New episode "Saving Purple Yoshi": http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/729213

ah, pretty short ep. at least the verdict was pretty clear.

Crewnh · (04-20-2012, 04:59 PM)

Have they done a Tails doll episode yet?

Mike D · 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Crewnh:

Have they done a Tails doll episode yet?

No, it hasn't been covered. BTW, anyone have a really good Resident Evil or Metal Gear myth? I feel like those two series are going to get neglected.

Gonna also repost what I said on the GT forum addressing contacting Nintendo/trying to figure out why the colors were changed:

Quote:

Nintendo doesn't comment on these as far as I know (they've declined to comment the last few times we've asked for their input). What is possible is that maybe later on at some point at a trade show like E3 we might have the chance to interview somebody who worked on one of these games. The problem usually with that is that the episode is already done, or we're more worried about asking about their current game and don't want to use a question about a past game for something like this. You only get so much time during those types of interviews. Not to mention, it's difficult just remembering to ask about a past game when rushing around to cover something like E3, and we'd also have to have the foresight that one of their answers could contribute to a future episode. I know it would have been great to include the remark from Junichi Masuda about Mew for that one previous episode, but the interview we did happened after the Mew episode aired.

I also asked the only person I could track down that's dabbled in hacking the Yoshi's Story ROM if they would be interested in checking for the code for any evidence of Purple Yoshi OR any indication why he was removed. They said they weren't into ROM hacking anymore, so that was a bust. I even got the Japanese version of the game to access the debug menu, but I didn't really get anywhere with that. Nor did using the same method as we did in the Fire Temple episode to access a debug menu in the US version of Yoshi's Story. There was a lot of potential for a cool discovery, but it didn't pan out, and I didn't want to include extra content that ended up not having any relevance to the episode just to inflate the length.

Flying_Phoenix · (04-20-2012, 07:01 PM)

Wow, didn't realize that the game had such good graphics. Pitty that the game supposedly sucks.

xir · (04-20-2012, 08:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Flying_Phoenix:

Wow, didn't realize that the game had such good graphics. Pitty that the game supposedly sucks.

doesn't suck... just short.

Myriadis · (04-20-2012, 08:53 PM)

Originally Posted by xir:

doesn't suck... just short.

Except when you are going for all 30 watermelons in the six levels. Takes me at least one hour in each level to find them all. I just don't know why they didn't make you complete all 24 levels one after one instead of giving you the ending after just 6 levels.
And this game scared me as a kid. Razorblades, insta-kill presses, skeleton eels and moaning fire ghosts, woah.

Cloudius12 · (04-20-2012, 09:05 PM)

Originally Posted by TSA:

No, it hasn't been covered. BTW, anyone have a really good Resident Evil or Metal Gear myth? I feel like those two series are going to get neglected.

I can't really think of anything regarding MGS, except for finding Ocelot in MGS2 Tanker, but even that's not really good.

Rapstah · (04-20-2012, 09:10 PM)

Originally Posted by Cloudius12:

I can't really think of anything regarding MGS, except for finding Ocelot in MGS2 Tanker, but even that's not really good.

There were a lot of crazy rumours about there being a hidden Snake "campaign" or whatever you would call it in the main act of Metal Gear Solid 2. Of course we know that's not true though.

Diablohead · (04-20-2012, 09:14 PM)

Originally Posted by TSA:

No, it hasn't been covered. BTW, anyone have a really good Resident Evil or Metal Gear myth? I feel like those two series are going to get neglected.

Gonna also repost what I said on the GT forum addressing contacting Nintendo/trying to figure out why the colors were changed:

Use an action replay on resi 1 to pick items you want in slots and boxes, you will find like 20 unused items like rags, different magnum ammo, fuel cans and stuff.

Also the door to the helicopter port near the wolf and eagle fountian is an ingame 3d model but it is never used, opened or destroyed. This is the ps1 version btw.

Resi 2 also has unused items like the scorpion smg the helicopter guy dies using after crashing on the roof and being eaten by zombies in the fmv.

McNum · (04-20-2012, 09:14 PM)

Originally Posted by Cloudius12:

I can't really think of anything regarding MGS, except for finding Ocelot in MGS2 Tanker, but even that's not really good.

The big problem with MGS, really, is that there are plenty of things that would make a fine video, but they're pretty much all well documented as it is. The ghost photos would be fun, if it wasn't that there are several FAQs showing exactly where and when to find every ghost in the game. It's like that with pretty much every secret in the games. Hidden items and weapons, special codec calls, hidden areas, all with step by step instructions. You name it, MGS has it. An MGS video would probably make more sense as a compilation of a lot of odd things you can see and do in MGS.

Mike D · (04-20-2012, 09:36 PM)

Originally Posted by Rapstah:

There were a lot of crazy rumours about there being a hidden Snake "campaign" or whatever you would call it in the main act of Metal Gear Solid 2. Of course we know that's not true though.

Yea, the whole birth of Trolljima with him leading us to think you play as Snake the whole game. You know, even though we all know it is false, it could make a good "research" episode like the Sheng Long one. I actually remember trying so much stuff to unlock Snake in the Big Shell part...was so upset.

Typographenia · (04-20-2012, 09:49 PM)

Man, I remember the purple yoshi rumors back in the day. My brother and I wasted so much time trying to get it, hahaha. I eventually gave up entirely on it before even getting close to the supposed requirements.

Mike D · (04-20-2012, 09:53 PM)

Originally Posted by Typographenia:

Man, I remember the purple yoshi rumors back in the day. My brother and I wasted so much time trying to get it, hahaha. I eventually gave up entirely on it before even getting close to the supposed requirements.

I accidentally misread a page that had information dumped from the ROM of Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. I thought it was for Yoshi's Story. The page listed a memory value for Purple Yoshi, and I thought I had stumbled across something. Then I realized what game the page was actually for a day later. So bummed. I got pretty angry at this game a few times, too...

carfo · (04-20-2012, 11:48 PM)

Well I never heard of this rumor and I don't remember playing that game, but why do so many different sites list the same cheat?

Typographenia · (04-21-2012, 01:06 AM)

Originally Posted by carfo:

Well I never heard of this rumor and I don't remember playing that game, but why do so many different sites list the same cheat?

Well, back in the day, it was common to find misinformation like that spreading like wild fire across tons of places. I would imagine it's likely a result of it being so old that it just gets swept under the rug by the places that host that stuff. I'm honestly glad that it still exists, since it's part of the culture surrounding the game(s), even if it wasn't correct. Like Mortal Kombat's various rumored things, it's become somewhat ingrained into the identity of the game for many people, and I'm happy to see it persist.

Plus, most of that stuff is super easy to figure out it's fake with a quick search, but still!

maharg · (04-21-2012, 04:12 AM)

Originally Posted by carfo:

Well I never heard of this rumor and I don't remember playing that game, but why do so many different sites list the same cheat?

Because they're hard to disprove and everyone has a friend of a friend who did it and showed it to their cousin.

Mike D · (04-21-2012, 04:55 AM)

Originally Posted by Typographenia:

Well, back in the day, it was common to find misinformation like that spreading like wild fire across tons of places. I would imagine it's likely a result of it being so old that it just gets swept under the rug by the places that host that stuff. I'm honestly glad that it still exists, since it's part of the culture surrounding the game(s), even if it wasn't correct. Like Mortal Kombat's various rumored things, it's become somewhat ingrained into the identity of the game for many people, and I'm happy to see it persist.

Plus, most of that stuff is super easy to figure out it's fake with a quick search, but still!

Actually, this was one I wasn't totally sure was fake just because the "cheat" wasn't removed from most sites. I mean, I was pretty sure it was fake, but I had some doubt. Fans are pretty thorough nowadays, so I would have expected the Purple Yoshi thing to be removed. Gold Yoshi was only on one site still, but Purple Yoshi...well you saw in the video. Thankfully I came across a coin guide by somebody I knew back in ancient times when I still cared about speedruns, otherwise this would have taken more than 2 days...

Madrugador · (05-09-2012, 03:47 AM)

They apparently updated the second episode (Mario Flagpole), but I'm not sure because I don't remember the whole episode.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/729924

Traumahound · (05-09-2012, 04:11 AM)

Originally Posted by Madrugador:

They apparently updated the second episode (Mario Flagpole), but I'm not sure because I don't remember the whole episode.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/729924

Everything after the testing the myth on World 3-3 is new. You can tell that the audio quality changes.

Mike D · (05-09-2012, 04:37 AM)

Originally Posted by Traumahound:

Everything after the testing the myth on World 3-3 is new. You can tell that the audio quality changes.

More specifically, almost everything after the transition following the 3-3 success is new, sans a few shots near the end. One shot also shows an attempt to use the same glitch on other levels if you look closely enough...

FYI, new episode is still coming out this month, these revised ones won't take their place.

LiK · (05-09-2012, 05:29 PM)

Originally Posted by Madrugador:

They apparently updated the second episode (Mario Flagpole), but I'm not sure because I don't remember the whole episode.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/729924

yea, you can tell where they updated when Brandon's VO changes.

Mike Matei of AVGN fame did a glitch video about this already. I wonder if they saw that video first? i was expecting they would give him credit since GT knows them.

Mike D · 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by LiK:

yea, you can tell where they updated when Brandon's VO changes.

Mike Matei of AVGN fame did a glitch video about this already. I wonder if they saw that video first? i was expecting they would give him credit since GT knows them.

If this wasn't clear, I'm the creator/producer of the show. I knew this was going to get tossed around, so here's the answer.

Please do not take this as a knock against Mike Matei, but I hope this is the last time I have to say this.

First, his video went up in January of 2011, and he even said he did not discover the trick:
http://cinemassacre.com/2011/01/12/h...er-mario-bros/

Second, the trick was discovered before this, and the first time I saw it was in a video linked to from the TAS community. I originally wanted to update the episode after I saw this, but I was not given the green light to do that back then. After we had to revise the Totaka's Song episode and the precedent was set to revise episodes if there were errors/mistakes/omissions, I moved forth with identifying some episodes that we would revisit. This was the easiest of the ones to update, hence it went up first. A few more are incoming eventually as well.

I don't give Mike Matei credit because he neither discovered the trick nor was his video the first time I saw it was possible to jump over the flagpole in 1-1. However, I still have not found who actually discovered the trick, otherwise I would have credited them in the video. It would be like asking me to give credit to every person who had a video for jumping the flagpole in 3-3 - there are quite a few. However, I don't know who first discovered it, and it's probably impossible to prove who did at this point. If Mike had discovered it, I would have given him credit.

Originally Posted by Cloudius12:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOt2m4uDjuI&t=0m30s
This one is an older video showing the jump.

Yep. And if you watch closely in one of the final shots in the updated vid, you see a failed attempt using the same trick in another world. Basically, you can jump over the flagpole in several worlds.

Originally Posted by Murrah:

(still selfishly hoping for more pokemon gen 1 episodes as well)

One is coming soon.

Cloudius12 · (05-09-2012, 06:18 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOt2m4uDjuI&t=0m30s
This one is an older video showing the jump.

Murrah · (05-09-2012, 06:21 PM)

Damn, thought the bump meant new episode :( It's the only reason I still visit GT regularly (still selfishly hoping for more pokemon gen 1 episodes as well)

LiK · (05-09-2012, 07:04 PM)

Originally Posted by TSA:

If this wasn't clear, I'm the creator/producer of the show. I knew this was going to get tossed around, so here's the answer.

Please do not take this as a knock against Mike Matei, but I hope this is the last time I have to say this.

First, his video went up in January of 2011, and he even said he did not discover the trick:
http://cinemassacre.com/2011/01/12/h...er-mario-bros/

Second, the trick was discovered before this, and the first time I saw it was in a video linked to from the TAS community. I originally wanted to update the episode after I saw this, but I was not given the green light to do that back then. After we had to revise the Totaka's Song episode and the precedent was set to revise episodes if there were errors/mistakes/omissions, I moved forth with identifying some episodes that we would revisit. This was the easiest of the ones to update, hence it went up first. A few more are incoming eventually as well.

I don't give Mike Matei credit because he neither discovered the trick nor was his video the first time I saw it was possible to jump over the flagpole in 1-1. However, I still have not found who actually discovered the trick, otherwise I would have credited them in the video. It would be like asking me to give credit to every person who had a video for jumping the flagpole in 3-3 - there are quite a few. However, I don't know who first discovered it, and it's probably impossible to prove who did at this point. If Mike had discovered it, I would have given him credit.

ok, thanks for the detailed clarification/explanation.

btw, thanks for such a great show. I love it.

BatDan · (05-23-2012, 06:20 PM)

Another update. This time to the Mew trick in Pokemon RBY.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/706532

Sblargh · (05-23-2012, 06:24 PM)

Originally Posted by BatDan:

Another update. This time to the Mew trick in Pokemon RBY.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/706532

nm, got it.

Mike D · (05-23-2012, 07:48 PM)

New episode Friday. Will be showing it off at FanimeCon.

chubigans · (05-23-2012, 09:09 PM)

Originally Posted by TSA:

New episode Friday. Will be showing it off at FanimeCon.

Awesomeness. :D

EmmanuelMunoz · (05-23-2012, 09:11 PM)

Originally Posted by BatDan:

Another update. This time to the Mew trick in Pokemon RBY.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/706532

I'm glad they went back to this. Still a great episode.

Professor Beef · (05-23-2012, 11:54 PM)

Originally Posted by BatDan:

Another update. This time to the Mew trick in Pokemon RBY.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/706532

One thing to note about this that could've been a nice extra in the episode is that this trick is an easter egg in the remakes of RBY. Instead of Mew when you inspect the truck, you get a Lava Cookie.

Mike D · (05-24-2012, 01:20 AM)

Uh, crap. Forgot to put in something that was supposed to be in there (not the Lava Cookie, sadly). Fix should be shortly.

CecilMcW00t · (05-25-2012, 12:41 AM)

I love how Mew pops out to peek at you during the episode. =3

Chico Terry · (05-25-2012, 04:50 PM)

New episode: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/730383

-Pyromaniac- · (05-25-2012, 04:58 PM)

Originally Posted by Chico Terry:

New episode: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/730383

lol at the hookshot levitation

Cloudius12 · (05-25-2012, 06:52 PM)

Cool episode.

Platy · 07:20 PM

Awesome episode !

Also, "two myths for the price of one" ! xD

Originally Posted by -Pyromaniac-:

lol at the hookshot levitation

Spider-Link !

edit : the mew bug and the flagpole bug were INSANE

Like the hat? · (05-25-2012, 07:08 PM)

I never realized that it is supposed to be lake HI-lyia (like the Hi sound in Hyrule) -- I always called it HILLia in my head. I feel dumb.

McNum · (05-25-2012, 07:36 PM)

Hmm, didn't know you could become swordless in the 3DS version, too. I guess I shouldn't underestimate people who look for glitches in Zelda games, especially Ocarina of Time.

EmmanuelMunoz · (05-25-2012, 07:47 PM)

You should have also included the leaving Navi in the temple of time glitch while you're at it :P

maharg · (05-25-2012, 08:37 PM)

Originally Posted by EmmanuelMunoz:

You should have also included the leaving Navi in the temple of time glitch while you're at it :P

:O Something to make OoT an actually playable game??!?

Myriadis · (05-25-2012, 08:50 PM)

Originally Posted by maharg:

:O Something to make OoT an actually playable game??!?

No, she just stays there in the Temple of Time, but once you leave it, she's following you again.Here's a description.

I also have to say, awesome Episode! I initally thought that they missed the method with the Bottle glitch (that's how I did it), but they even got that covered.
I didn't even know the second method with the rod! And that you actually can send these 5 energy things back to Ganondorf - I always shot him with the Light Arrows as he is preparing that attack.
Excellently researched. Did you also visited the site zeldachaos for that episode, TSA and everyone involved in that episode?

Mike D · (05-26-2012, 01:04 AM)

Originally Posted by Myriadis:

No, she just stays there in the Temple of Time, but once you leave it, she's following you again.Here's a description.

I also have to say, awesome Episode! I initally thought that they missed the method with the Bottle glitch (that's how I did it), but they even got that covered.
I didn't even know the second method with the rod! And that you actually can send these 5 energy things back to Ganondorf - I always shot him with the Light Arrows as he is preparing that attack.
Excellently researched. Did you also visited the site zeldachaos for that episode, TSA and everyone involved in that episode?

I had to look up Steal the Rod III for OoT 3D and Ocarina on Items glitches (which lead me to Zelda Chaos and other sites), but I have known about Steal the Rod I, II, and Save/Quit at Ganon for at least a decade now.

Dacvak · (05-26-2012, 03:24 AM)

Aw man that was a great episode. Gotta admire their dedication; I don't think I'd be a e to play through OoT that many times in a row. Super awesome.

BatDan · (05-30-2012, 09:27 PM)

Another old video update. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/710816

This time the Fire Temple theme myth.

Crunched · (05-30-2012, 09:28 PM)

Originally Posted by BatDan:

Another old video update. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ep...fiction/710816

This time the Fire Temple theme myth.

A lot of good info here. I am liking these updates.

Cloudius12 · (05-31-2012, 06:02 AM)

Got watched it. Very nice update there.