[BattleMonkey]

pretty sure you're confusing pellaeons remnant fleet with daalas original fleet.

I've tried looking it up, but can't seem to find any concrete numbers upon skimming the book. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of ships were never actually said in the novel and I was just thinking it wasn't as many. Lot of stuff like fleet numbers and such have in many cases been added later in things such as the essential guides, encyclopedias, or Atlas.

[The Technomancer]

Red Dwarf would just create a "Justice" field the size of the galaxy and watch as the entire galaxy kills itself.:D

Red Dwarf just needs access to the photo albums of the great moments in Galactic history.

[Bootaaay]

Red Dwarf just needs access to the photo albums of the great moments in Galactic history.

Then combined with Dr. Hildegard Lanstrom's luck virus they could do pretty much anything.

[BattleMonkey]

Why do I feel good that I've never watched Red Dwarf?

[AceBandage]

Why do I feel good that I've never watched Red Dwarf?

[Bootaaay]

Why do I feel good that I've never watched Red Dwarf?

I'm not sure, but you shouldn't. The feeling you should be feeling is shame ;)

[The Technomancer]

Why do I feel good that I've never watched Red Dwarf?

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[IMG]http://i35.************/166ej28.gif[/IMG]







Its a Sci Fi sitcom. You can't take it too seriously, but it is really good.

[lunarworks]

Why do I feel good that I've never watched Red Dwarf?

It's like feeling good that you've never tried ice cream.

You're missing out.

[BattleMonkey]

Posting gifs and pics are not helping entice me

[Enosh]

This is taking the fight to the star wars galaxy, and also assuming that the Zerg would be capable of just waltzing up to Coruscant the most heavily defended planet in the Empire and being able to infect the system.

meh they might be able to sneak about some ship and infest shit given that as per the CW cartoon everyone and their grandmother can get to and off the planet without any security checks whatsoever, but as a military force no way in hell

[Mama Robotnik]

Back to the thread then. I've already explained how, in any battle, the forces of the Galactic Empire will just shoot the Star Trek ships out of the skies.

The only way I can see the Federation having a chance is through the following fanwank. It involves a conceited series of events and application of plot-device-of-the-episodes/movies in a way the series didn't. Plus Yoda and more fanwank.



(1) Obi-Wan's Jedi-ghost appears to Yoda on Dagobah, and explains that Luke and Leia have been killed, and the entire rebellion has been exterminated.

Obi-Wan tells Yoda of the wormhole, and that Palpatine is about to extend is domination over trillions in an untouched Galaxy.

(2) Yoda leaves Dagobah and travels to Byss. He takes posession of thirty force-resisting Ysalamiri, and they both nullify his force powers completely, and hide him from Palpatines/Vaders senses.

(3) Through great personal risk, Yoda sneaks aboard the invading Star Destroyers in a storage crate with the Ysalamiri. He is taken to the Star Trek universe.

(4) Yoda steals an Imperial Transport Vessel and heads to Earth while the fleet of twenty-five Star Destroyers begin to explore and chart the galaxy. He explains to the President of Starfleet the history of his Galaxy, and how powerful the Ysalamiri are at hiding anyone from The Force.

(5) In a secret location, Starfleet pools all resources into a single top-of-the-line ship, containing enough energy and fuel to run at maximum warp for 70 years. The ship is filled with holoemitters and programmed with a perfect holographic crew. Their only reason to live is for the mission. The ship is armed with two top secret weapons. The Ysalamari are the only "living" things on the ship, projecting a bubble of non-force that renders the ship entirely invisible to Force users.

(6) As the ship (USS GAF) approaches the wormhole, it activates secret weapon number 1 - the perfected version of the phase/cloak from "The Pegasus". It flies through the wormhole undetected, straight through the blockade of a thousand Star Destroyers unscathed.

(7) USS GAF travels straight to the nearest star and slingshots around it, travelling back in time sixty years.

(8) The USS GAF heads straight to Coruscant, under phase-cloak and Ysalamiri protection. Its approx 60,000 light years between Yavin and Corscant, and the journey takes them approx 60 years via warp.

(9) It is again the present. The USS GAF waits in the Coruscant system for Palpatine and Vader to return to the planet. It then fires (secret weapon number 2) the Genesis Device into the Coruscant system, causing all matter to be destroyed and reborn into a new star and a new planet. This too will explode.

(10) As order collapses in the Star Wars universe, all ships retreat back into the wormhole as the Imperial Remenant needs all the help it can get.

(11) The surviving Federation forces, that have been hiding in the Bajoran Wormhole (entrance temporarily collapsed by the prophets upon Ben Sisko's request) reemerge and collapse the SW Wormhole for good.

[BattleMonkey]

Course why would Palpatine even want to go invade the Trek galaxy? He doesn't even have absolute control of everything in the GFFA. The invasion would also not just be them charging all the Imperial forces into another galaxy, can't leave his home undefended. If anything he would have had the Trek galaxy heavily scouted and studied before hand before attempting such a massive undertaking. Study their tech, history, etc and if anything bring back all the advances that Trek might have over SW galaxy?

Course is the wormhole one way? If they know it's opened, what stops the trek folks from coming over to scout out the GFFA?

[EmCeeGramr]

Then the Trek universe gets wiped out by the Yuuzhan Vong invasion several years later, as moons start falling on planets populated by trillions of people and organic starships filled with billions of beings cut off from the Force (and therefore immune to most Force powers) swarm through the wormhole.

[lunarworks]

Posting gifs and pics are not helping entice me

Let's just say that Red Dwarf is home to some of the greatest insults ever. The hatred between the two primary characters is legendary.

I wanna watch it right now, but I'm at work.

[BattleMonkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf7epo22OPw

Nobody calls Han Solo a bitch!

[Zenith]

Odd I thought the Ewok and tribbles would get along more. But what's a Hirogen?

Amusingly tall.

[Aegus]

And pert.

[MisterHero]

Back to the thread then. I've already explained how, in any battle, the forces of the Galactic Empire will just shoot the Star Trek ships out of the skies. The only way I can see the Federation having a chance is through the following fanwank.

This reads like a Gungan wrote it.

You're probably a Gungan

[Jacobi]

So, ... is this stuff about Anakin Solo I read in this fanfic (only ws able to get through one page... it's soo bad) "true" in the expanded universe? That he becomes a new emperor?

[BattleMonkey]

So, ... is this stuff about Anakin Solo I read in this fanfic (only ws able to get through one page... it's soo bad) "true" in the expanded universe? That he becomes a new emperor?

... no he doesn't become emperor

[Donos]

C3PO woul totally beat DATA in a UFC Event. Golden Muay Thai Kicks and BJJ till Data taps out.

[Hilbert]

My only contribution to this thread is that while the technology in the star wars universe is powerful, but seems stagnant, as I am guessing is normal in dictatorships. I am racking my mind, and I don't think a scientist or even a "new technology" was ever introduced in any of the star wars movies.

So I think with perhaps a bit of help from star wars rebels or perhaps even from their own ingenuity, the federation would be able to capture a empire ship, learn it's technology, use it on their ships and perhaps even move beyond.

Granted this is if they aren't completely wiped out in 20 seconds like most people here seem to be saying.

[Furret]

My only contribution to this thread is that while the technology in the star wars universe is powerful, but seems stagnant, as I am guessing is normal in dictatorships. I am racking my mind, and I don't think a scientist or even a "new technology" was ever introduced in any of the star wars movies. So I think with perhaps a bit of help from star wars rebels or perhaps even from their own ingenuity, the federation would be able to capture a empire ship, learn it's technology, use it on their ships and perhaps even move beyond. Granted this is if they aren't completely wiped out in 20 seconds like most people here seem to be saying.

Well, those Death Stars were pretty big plot points, as plot points go.

But you're confusing Star Wars with science fiction, that's not what it is at all.

[Hilbert]

Well, those Death Stars were pretty big plot points, as plot points go. But you're confusing Star Wars with science fiction, that's not what it is at all.

Well I always thought the death star was normal tech, just BIG. Granted I am not a big star wars fan. This thread is strangly amusing though.

[Dr Zhivago]

Why do people think the Empire is some sort of super-efficient military machine when all the movies show them to be hilariously incompetent?

[Furret]

Why do people think the Empire is some sort of super-efficient military machine when all the movies show them to be hilariously incompetent?

Because they're movies in which an entire galactic Empire has to be brought down in six short hours.

Although in the middle hours they're clearly on top and very efficient for a movie evil organisation.

[elrechazado]

This is taking the fight to the star wars galaxy, and also assuming that the Zerg would be capable of just waltzing up to Coruscant the most heavily defended planet in the Empire and being able to infect the system. Morale loss to the Empire? Hardly, the empire has suffered so many major losses and they kill off people like nothing, the morale issue is what pretty much caused the rebellion. And huge chunks of coruscant get destoryed fairly frequently :lol

People regularly waltz up to corscant all through the entire series of movies and books.

[Escape Goat]

Because they're movies in which an entire galactic Empire has to be brought down in six short hours. Although in the middle hours they're clearly on top and very efficient for a movie evil organisation.

Actually its like 5-6 years total!

[Pandaman]

I've tried looking it up, but can't seem to find any concrete numbers upon skimming the book. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of ships were never actually said in the novel and I was just thinking it wasn't as many. Lot of stuff like fleet numbers and such have in many cases been added later in things such as the essential guides, encyclopedias, or Atlas.

it was stated in the book because daala had a mini freak out when she showed up and the fleet was gone [but there were signs it had been there]

that book was very good with numbers since it was all about daala bringing together the imperial remnants after assassinating the moffs, the whole yavin plan was that they'd take and hold the moon. thats why the victory class attack fleets returned to Yavin, thats why the knight hammer showed up. if they were just doing a hit and run, then daala alone could have done the job. and if they planned to hold Yavin, why would they leave the large bulk of their fleet at home? why take pelleaon at all if he only had 4 ships under his command? he could have stayed in the core systems to watch for a coutnerattack.

[BattleMonkey]

My only contribution to this thread is that while the technology in the star wars universe is powerful, but seems stagnant, as I am guessing is normal in dictatorships. I am racking my mind, and I don't think a scientist or even a "new technology" was ever introduced in any of the star wars movies. So I think with perhaps a bit of help from star wars rebels or perhaps even from their own ingenuity, the federation would be able to capture a empire ship, learn it's technology, use it on their ships and perhaps even move beyond. Granted this is if they aren't completely wiped out in 20 seconds like most people here seem to be saying.

Biggest changes being the improvements in cybernetic limbs. In Clone Wars it still was common to have robotic looking limbs and such, while at the time of the Rebellion they have realistic looking cybernetic limbs like Luke gets.

Also hyperdrive technology advanced a bit, most fighter craft were not capable of hyperspace travel without some form off carrier ship or add on craft like the Jedi fighters hyperdrive rings they had to use. In the original trilogy they were able to have one man fighters capable of holding their own small hyperdrive units. Outside of that there was little seen advancement in technology between the periods.

it was stated in the book because daala had a mini freak out when she showed up and the fleet was gone [but there were signs it had been there] that book was very good with numbers since it was all about daala bringing together the imperial remnants after assassinating the moffs, the whole yavin plan was that they'd take and hold the moon. thats why the victory class attack fleets returned to Yavin, thats why the knight hammer showed up. if they were just doing a hit and run, then daala alone could have done the job. and if they planned to hold Yavin, why would they leave the large bulk of their fleet at home? why take pelleaon at all if he only had 4 ships under his command? he could have stayed in the core systems to watch for a coutnerattack.

Found the whole thing contrived as mostly hate anything KJA writes. The whole assault on the academy was tactically stupid and served little purpose other than to extract her revenge on the Jedi that she still has in the current books. A single ISD could have leveled the Academy without issue and moved on, and even though it would have been a blow to the Galaxies future, it would not have really affected the New Republic in the least. We already saw how pathetic of a tactician she was with her blitz tactics in the Academy trilogy with a tiny fleet lashing out randomly, this didn't seem like it was going to do much more good than cause more damage but with little end game goal.

People regularly waltz up to corscant all through the entire series of movies and books.

Yes but you would be talking about a small scale infestation which would likely be easily quarantined and eliminated by the empire. Subtlety is also not something the Zerg are known for. 40K tyrnaids can get on many planets all the time through sneaking means yet they are often found out and eliminated before they can spread and cause any significant damage to the actual planet.

[DrForester]

Back to the thread then. I've already explained how, in any battle, the forces of the Galactic Empire will just shoot the Star Trek ships out of the skies. The only way I can see the Federation having a chance is through the following fanwank. It involves a conceited series of events and application of plot-device-of-the-episodes/movies in a way the series didn't. Plus Yoda and more fanwank. (1) Obi-Wan's Jedi-ghost appears to Yoda on Dagobah, and explains that Luke and Leia have been killed, and the entire rebellion has been exterminated. Obi-Wan tells Yoda of the wormhole, and that Palpatine is about to extend is domination over trillions in an untouched Galaxy. (2) Yoda leaves Dagobah and travels to Byss. He takes posession of thirty force-resisting Ysalamiri, and they both nullify his force powers completely, and hide him from Palpatines/Vaders senses. (3) Through great personal risk, Yoda sneaks aboard the invading Star Destroyers in a storage crate with the Ysalamiri. He is taken to the Star Trek universe. (4) Yoda steals an Imperial Transport Vessel and heads to Earth while the fleet of twenty-five Star Destroyers begin to explore and chart the galaxy. He explains to the President of Starfleet the history of his Galaxy, and how powerful the Ysalamiri are at hiding anyone from The Force. (5) In a secret location, Starfleet pools all resources into a single top-of-the-line ship, containing enough energy and fuel to run at maximum warp for 70 years. The ship is filled with holoemitters and programmed with a perfect holographic crew. Their only reason to live is for the mission. The ship is armed with two top secret weapons. The Ysalamari are the only "living" things on the ship, projecting a bubble of non-force that renders the ship entirely invisible to Force users. (6) As the ship (USS GAF) approaches the wormhole, it activates secret weapon number 1 - the perfected version of the phase/cloak from "The Pegasus". It flies through the wormhole undetected, straight through the blockade of a thousand Star Destroyers unscathed. (7) USS GAF travels straight to the nearest star and slingshots around it, travelling back in time sixty years. (8) The USS GAF heads straight to Coruscant, under phase-cloak and Ysalamiri protection. Its approx 60,000 light years between Yavin and Corscant, and the journey takes them approx 60 years via warp. (9) It is again the present. The USS GAF waits in the Coruscant system for Palpatine and Vader to return to the planet. It then fires (secret weapon number 2) the Genesis Device into the Coruscant system, causing all matter to be destroyed and reborn into a new star and a new planet. This too will explode. (10) As order collapses in the Star Wars universe, all ships retreat back into the wormhole as the Imperial Remenant needs all the help it can get. (11) The surviving Federation forces, that have been hiding in the Bajoran Wormhole (entrance temporarily collapsed by the prophets upon Ben Sisko's request) reemerge and collapse the SW Wormhole for good.

Very nice plan but I think the Federation would be saved by the future Federation when they sense the disturbance in the timeline. If we look at "All Good Things..." in 20 years they're going to have phaser capability of blasting straight through shields and hulls. While it was a large hulking thing on the D, we can probably safely assume they are more compact and easier to use (aim) on modern ships of the day made for it, as opposed to being retrofit onto a ship that was never intended to use it.



Also wish to submit that a plain simple tailor would single handedly find some way to take down the empire.

[WanderingWind]

Also wish to submit that a plain simple tailor would single handedly find some way to take down the empire.

Again. Garak failed to kill a child and an overweight mechanic. He's about as tough as Greedo. And we all know what happened to Greedo.

[Sickboy007]

I had never read a fanfic before. Woah.
Picard rapes Han Solo's daughter...i don't even

i liked it

[Medalion]

Amusingly tall.

I love the fact they made the Hirogen ship look like an S&M ship with the chains and bondage gear but never see it ever again in subsequent episodes

[DrForester]

The Hirogen: Making You Miss the Kazon

[Parts]

I had never read a fanfic before. Woah. Picard rapes Han Solo's daughter...i don't even i liked it

Overall a great fic, I finished it earlier today. That whole subplot, however, felt heavy handed and lazy, ESPECIALLY compared to the fantastic detail on nearly every other level.

It was like "Oh yeah, Picard is being mind controlled and just raped someone. Nah, we're not gonna address this in any meaningful way, LOOK GIANT SPACE BATTLE." It seemed like something that should have played a much larger ending than it should have though.

Ending spoilers: HOLY FUCK, WHAT AN ENDING though. Star Trek is the reason the Star Wars galaxy exists in the first place? FUCK YEAH. Awesome read overall.

[Salazar]

Why do I feel good that I've never watched Red Dwarf?

:lol

Inexplicable. It's your loss.

[Shanadeus]

I had never read a fanfic before. Woah. Picard rapes Han Solo's daughter...i don't even i liked it

That was pretty weird and awkard :lol
Picard dealt with it like a true gentleman though.

[DanteFox]

my word this thread is at full nerdiness.:lol

it's actually pretty cool. mama robotnik should make these types of threads a regular thing.

I don't know enough about star trek and start wars to participate in this one. :(

[Proelite]

Penis match continues...



How the fuck do the federation or borg stop this thing? It's a star destroyer that carries star destroyers.

[DrForester]

Why do I feel good that I've never watched Red Dwarf?

Are you American? It might be pride over our far superior low budget sci fi show.



Which reminds me, Mike can destroy planets with just vinegar and baking soda. Take THAT Death Star.

[oracrest]

All bets are off if Rowsdower enters the fray.




His hair is an elaborate network of nerves, constantly processing information.

[diglyd]

I started reading that fanfiction story that was linked earlier in the beginning of the tread about this very scenario. Its pretty awesome and probably one of the best stories I ever read in terms of showing the might of the Galactic Empire. Its well worth the read. Here is the link again...

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Fanf...est/index.html

In a nutshell what many have said before...the Empire would basically wipe the floor with the Federation.
Here is a brief summary of the story in case no one wants to read the whole thing for a few hours:

1. A lone federation star-ship enters a wormhole in pursuit of some other ship.

2. They emerge on the other side in the middle of an epic battle between the Empire and the Rebel Alliance just in time to see the Empire completely erase the rebel fleet (thousands of ships).

3. The federation ship is blown to bits in a matter of seconds being mistaken for rebel scum.

4. The crew is captured, tortured and interrogated and some die in the process before the Empire figures out that they are not rebels...The empire learns of the the "other" side and the Federation and informs the Emperor who wants to destroy this new threat. The empire apologizes for torturing the Feds and asks for their terms of surrender which completely takes the Feds by surprise.

5. They use probe droids and spies to scout, map, and they purchase information from Ferengi traders. This gives them quick intel about the enemy positions.

6. The captured Federation captain and crew marvel at the advanced SW technology and sheer power of their weapons and militaristic regime.
The Federation crew from the captured ship escapes with the help of a Rebel cruiser and Jedi captain and returns to the Federation to warn of the coming invasion saying "om my gwad we are Fu*ed!" The Federataion tries to capture the rebel ship by teleporting onto it and all Federation marines are quickly killed by the defense battle droids on board. They thought they could use the rebel ship to close the hole. (HAHHA..yeah there goes the whole lets teleport aboard the star destroyer idea some of you were talking about). To add insult to injury the Federation assault commanders are force choked by a Jedi and jettisoned into space for trying to betray the rebels. The rebels give the federation the finger and split.

7. The Federation recommends and tries diplomacy as star destroyers pile out of a massive wormhole now being stabilized and fortified by the Empire on both sides of the universe.

8. Picard races to save the federation and Q warns him like before that humanity has no clue what awaits them out in space and that they are about to get spanked. Picard does not believe him even though Q warns him that a great darkness is coming and that The Galactic Empire will show the federation the true meaning of power. Then he laughs at Picard and vanishes.

9. Picard shows up and tries to talk to the Imperial Admiral. The imperials claim that the Federation ship came into their territory and attacked them and was hostile. In a show of good faith the Imperial Admiral decides to withdraw his star destroyers to the Imperial side for 5 days leaving only 5 Victory class Star Destroyers behind and a few million civilians working on the gate until Federation negotiators use their inferior warp technology to reach them for formal negotiations.

10. Unknown to Picard the Federation and Romulans launch a cloaked attack and wipe out the 5 Star Destroyers left behind while their shields are down and proceed through the wormhole in a pathetic attempt to close both sides of the gate.

11. They are wiped out like flies by a giant Imperial Fleet waiting for them on the other side which expected the assault and set them up by leaving the 5 undefended ships. The Sith lords aboard the command ships on the other side easily detect the cloaked ships. The massacre is taped and propaganda videos of the surprise Federation attack and death of thousands of Imperial citizens working on the gate are broadcast across thousands of Imperial worlds giving the new emperor Anikan Solo the excuse and leverage to convince the Senate to declare all out war on the Federation. The Senate approves not only war but also the building of new Star Destroyers, clone armies and secret galaxy destroyer tech.

12. Thousands of Star Destroyers and the Death star along with some giant size command ships start to pile out through the wormhole. Many Federation onlookers poop their collective pants.

13. First order of business...The Death Star destroys Romulus.

14. They wipe the Romulan fleets.

15. They destroy about 800 Federation ships on the way to Earth in like an hour. The Federation starts to cry but Picard offers to help them destroy the Borg if they spare Earth. The Empire agrees.

16. The Death Star Destroys Earth's Moon just because it can.

17. The Galactic Empire offers amnesty and peace to any system or alliance which bows before it and the Emperor.

18. Hundreds of planets and systems bow down to the Empire en mass.

19. The Klingons bow to the Empire and help them. Hundreds of worlds fall.

20. The Borg discover the Imperials and send in a Few Cubes as standard procedure.

21. Q shows up and tells Picard to accept the new regime and that with it a new
beginning and new future will come for humanity.

22. The Borg show up and say "you will be assimilated" the Empire Laughs and blows up twenty three cubes in a matter of minutes.

24. Picard gets offered a chance to pilot a command ship, help the Imperials and meets a Sith chick.

25 With the help of Picard weeks later the Empire blows up 850 something Borg Planets a couple trillion Borg drones and about 29,000 ships. Borg can't adapt fast enough when at a disadvantage as they too enjoyed being on top for far too long. They can't think creatively and cannot muster resistance to the Empire. It took the Borg thousands of years to assimilate thousands of worlds and the Empire wonders why they were so slow and that the Federation had them pegged the wrong way. They decide that the Borg are not that aggressive at all. They laugh about it.

25. The Empire Blows up the Borg Unicomplex.

26. The Borg try to negotiate realizing that the Collective is about to be wiped out.. They send their queen to talk in an attempt to buy time. They ask the Empire to stay out of the Delta Quadrant. The Empire laughs at her. The Borg queen gets sliced by a Sith during negotiations and her brain gets liquified by a lightsabre.

27. The rest of the Trek Aliens descend on the Remaining Borg remnants smelling Blood in the water as the Borg can't defend themselves. The Empire decided they have done enough and move on letting the Federation aliens mop up the Borg.

28. Picard starts to get turned to the dark side and sees the power of a force user as she dispatches hordes of Borg.

29. The Empire starts taking newborns from Earth that are force sensitive....and we find out Q is also talking to the Imperial Admiral having fun with both sides bending the rules giving hints.

30. The Empire begins to assimilate local governments. The Deathstar is still blowing shit up just in case someone "didn't get it".

That's about how far I got....yeah

pretty intense.

Some good quotes....

"Hang on a minute, buddy. We've cleared traffic and we're ready for the jump. Here we go!" The pilot pulled a lever, and Chang watched as the stars blurred into streaks of light and collapsed into a swirling vortex. Obviously not warp drive, he thought to himself. After a couple of minutes, he pushed the lever back, and they abruptly decelerated back into realspace, in orbit over a planet.

"Are we ... there already?" Chang asked hesitantly.

"Of course. It's only fifteen light years, and it's a good space lane. Hell, I could make it from here to Dantooine in less than six hours" the pilot bantered. Chang's mind was racing. Fifteen light-years in less than 2 minutes! It would take more than 3 days at warp 9 ... He stared glumly at the floor. The Federation doesn't even know what's coming"

"Sir, we have made some inquiries into the weapons, but the gunnery crews we talked to aren't very knowledgeable about the physics. They're technicians, not scientists. However, I can tell you that it's some kind of high-energy particle pulse weapon. I can't give you precise specs, but I'd guess maybe ten isotons per shot. Roughly two seconds to recharge, although the crew admits their systems aren't running at optimum."

"That's not bad but we can handle it. If the ship can only fire a ten-isoton shot every two seconds-"

Lieutenant Portugal grimaced. "Ah, I'm afraid you don't understand the situation, sir. Those figures are for one gun. This ship has sixty of these guns, all capable of targeting and firing independently. This ship is small by their standards, but it's still almost twice the size of a Federation Sovereign-class ship, and it's got guns all over the place. It's also got a half-dozen heavy guns which are good for at least a thousand isotons per shot. The big ones even sport their own redundant backup power sources, in case the ship should lose main power. This decentralized design approach applies to their entire shipbuilding philosophy- they use hundreds of decentralized computer systems and androids rather than a single all-encompassing computer system, and they have separate shield generator and projector systems for various parts of the ship."

"Wonderful. So it's armed to the teeth and designed to fight until it's almost totally destroyed. Would you say it's like a Borg ship in this regard?"

"Not quite, sir. It still has a central reactor system, without which they cannot replenish their shields or maneuver. This reactor can be attacked and destroyed by an aggressor, provided he can penetrate their shields. I wasn't able to learn much about their shields, but they seem to use separate particle-shield and energy-shield systems. That's obviously different from what we use, but it may be similar to Borg shield technology. Borg drones carry energy-shields but not particle-shields."

"Do you have any idea how much pounding their shields can take?"

"No, sir. But since they are designed to withstand extended combat with enemy starships which carry similar or superior armament ..."

That's the good news? Well, I guess it's better than nothing. What about that Death Star?"

"You saw as much as I did, Commander. It blew a planet apart pretty easily, and some preliminary calculations have revealed that at a minimum, you'd need at least three hundred trillion quantum torpedoes to pull that off. At our current rates of production, it would take us, oh, a few million years to build that many. I don't know where they get all their resources from. They must have thousands of planets ... maybe millions."



Yup The Federation is screwed.
(edited for some spelling errors)

[XiaNaphryz]

Shouldn't GAF just take this over to stardestroyer.net and annoy the denizens there? SW vs ST is what they've been discussing since 1998.

[Spike Spiegel]

Penis match continues... [IMG]wtfisthisidonteven.png[/IMG] How the fuck do the federation or borg stop this thing? It's a star destroyer that carries star destroyers.

Can you imagine the opening scene of A New Hope done with that monstrosity instead of a regular Star Destroyer? It would be like that parody scene from Spaceballs, only it'd go on for half an hour and bore the audience to sleep.

[davepoobond]

Star Trek i would say is less technically superior than Star Wars, but i would say they were on the same "level" of technology, insofar as how much technology is involved in creating stuff.

Star Wars is just plain better as far as weaponry goes (I mean, a fucking Death Star, hello?), but Star Trek has more "quality of life" technology you dont find in Star Wars.

[Jin34]

Penis match continues... How the fuck do the federation or borg stop this thing? It's a star destroyer that carries star destroyers.

WTF is that? I know about the Eclipse, Sovereign, Galaxy Gun, but I have never heard of an Ultra Star Destroyer.

[Pandaman]

My only contribution to this thread is that while the technology in the star wars universe is powerful, but seems stagnant, as I am guessing is normal in dictatorships. I am racking my mind, and I don't think a scientist or even a "new technology" was ever introduced in any of the star wars movies.

the movie wasnt about new tech though, the focus was on a small under funded and undermanned rebel group fighting the big bad empire. it wouldn't have had any place in the story and would have detracted from the whole jedi bit.

the fact that wedge gets it on with freaky alien science girls is proof the technology in the series isn't stagnant.

[Salazar]

Are you American? It might be pride over our far superior low budget sci fi show.

:lol

Pathetic.

[BattleMonkey]

WTF is that? I know about the Eclipse, Sovereign, Galaxy Gun, but I have never heard of an Ultra Star Destroyer.

It's fan made

Are you American? It might be pride over our far superior low budget sci fi show. Which reminds me, Mike can destroy planets with just vinegar and baking soda. Take THAT Death Star.

Very true, I was busy watching something superior