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(08-26-2010, 12:55 PM)
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#52
Originally Posted by duckroll:
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mashadar's neko-mimi slave
(08-26-2010, 01:05 PM)
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#60
Originally Posted by Drealmcc0y:
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(08-26-2010, 01:14 PM)
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#67
Considering the show was pitched and funded as "A scripted Survivor" before, I think that the creators knew the ultimate purpose was to take over as the island's protector, and that there was some force working counter to that goal from the very beginning. That was the basis for all of the game symbolism, and the black/white stuff representing the two sides to the conflict. They also likely knew that the island was a space-time anomaly that is constantly skipping around, as it is the only time in the show where there is a single, definitive, and unified answer given that explains a whole bunch of phenomena from the first two seasons.
Character specific details and plot-points are what they had to make up later on in the show's run, but that raises the question of "How far ahead of time, how definitively, and how detailed do the writers need to plot things out to not get accused of making shit up as they go along?" I think they did a decent job of knowing where they were going with the characters, the big mythology, and major plot-points at least a season or two in advance, but there are too many plotholes with the mythology because they didn't detail it enough from the beginning and stick to. Honestly, I'd have a hard time reconciling the characters building an airstrip for no discernible reason during season 3 with the writers having no idea where they were going with the show. And I believe the writers when they sat that they were working on the idea of going back in time to the DHARMA era and causing The Incident from the moment they were plotting out the entire Hatch arch for season two. Is it just a coincidence the DI has a fleet of Back to the Future vans? I don't think so, but maybe I'm just more of a believer or more forgiving than most. tl;dr, LOST had a lot of flaws, but it is still my favorite TV show of all time. |
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(08-26-2010, 01:15 PM)
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#68
Originally Posted by Drealmcc0y:
But that second group, not so much. How can it be one of the best stretches of episodes when it contains what is easily the worst episode of the series that wasn't bullshit filler? As a huge Lost fan, Across the Sea is an embarrassment. Not to be too dramatic. |
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Beat EviLore at pool, but also called an innocent kid a piece of shit. Who can say which makes the man?
(08-26-2010, 01:22 PM)
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#71
Lost was awesome. Need to give it a rewatch maybe in a few months. Cause thinking about the finale it doesn't feel right. Should of been better.
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mashadar's neko-mimi slave
(08-26-2010, 01:23 PM)
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#72
Originally Posted by Sleeper901:
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(08-26-2010, 01:24 PM)
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#73
I'd say more people liked the ending than hated it. You'll always have haters but when I'm browsing the web on Lost-related material, I'm always seeing comments about how beautiful a certain scene was in the finale, or how well directed/acted a certain part was, etc. If you're consistently exposed to negative hotspots of the internet, yeah, you'll probably think more people hated it than liked it, but Damon and Carlton frequently talk about how surprised they are that so many people actually did respond well to the finale. That doesn't account for everyone obviously but I'm pretty sure that if so many people truly hated the finale-- like they did Across the Sea-- they wouldn't be saying such.
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(08-26-2010, 01:26 PM)
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#75
They had me until season six. It was as if they fired the writers of seasons four and five and did whatever they felt like in the last season. I've wondered if one could watch season one and season six back-to-back and view a more coherent story since the last season made all but a few moments in-between irrelevant. I might do that someday and see if it works.
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(08-26-2010, 01:26 PM)
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#76
Glad I was able to get one final hurrah into the last thread before it closed up though. :D
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In every age, in every place,
the deeds of men remain the same (08-26-2010, 01:34 PM)
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#78
Originally Posted by duckroll:
It's like the opposite of BSG. |
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(08-26-2010, 01:37 PM)
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#79
Originally Posted by MjFrancis:
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Banned
(08-26-2010, 01:40 PM)
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#80
Originally Posted by duckroll:
And regarding the finale, I also feel it was the highest quality episode of the season, however that should be expected. I still feel the way they handled the antagonists story (Mib) was downright awful though. Nothing really felt at stake because they were so goddamn ambiguous about what he could potentially do. And corking/uncorking the light, well, it was all rather nonsensical. Still, Jack's death was incredibly touching. |
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(08-26-2010, 01:48 PM)
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#81
I was about as big a LOST fanboy as ever did exist, but in hindsight I too was slightly disappointed by Season 6. The issue, for me, is that when the writers finally found themselves in the perfect position to answer questions, they still didn't. Sure, say the show is about the characters, that's fine. But if we have a Jacob/Monster flashback, we better learn something. Instead we got fuck all.
I still love the show. I thought Ab Aeterno was among the best hours of TV I've ever seen. I loved the ending, and The Candidate, What They Died For, and The End were all excellent. I enjoyed the final season, but it could have been so much better. |
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(08-26-2010, 01:52 PM)
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#83
Originally Posted by Emerson:
the smoke monster the numbers the whispering why the plane crashed in the first place, was the biggie to me personally who Jacob was and what he was trying to do the Black Rock and they also managed to wrap up every single important character arc You know. Pretty much every single main mystery, character journey, and story thread was cleared up. |
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(08-26-2010, 02:06 PM)
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#86
Watching alot of the bonus stuff and listening to the LA X and Across The Sea commentaries, I'm reminded of how much I enjoyed the Polar Boro's approach to creating the show. Obviously a lot of people felt the complete opposite, but every choice they made in Season 6 really landed for me, and it's nice to hear their thought processes behind them and how they validate my appreciation for it.
Lost rules, man. |
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(08-26-2010, 02:08 PM)
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#88
Originally Posted by hamchan:
I also liked the structure of the others and Dogen's refusal to speak directly to the people he commands mirrors the how Jacob uses an intermediary. Jacob -> Richard -> Others Dogen -> Lennon -> Others
Last edited by Yaweee; 08-26-2010 at 03:35 PM.
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(08-26-2010, 02:14 PM)
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#89
Originally Posted by Mojo:
I never really did care about the rules but for me they still became crystal clear when you think about everything that went on. The Man in Black couldn't directly kill a candidate, which is why he planted the bomb in the backpack. He was manipulating them into killing each other. There's one rule. I suppose when Jacob touched each of the candidates, he gave them protection from directly being killed by the Man in Black. Something that interests me though, is this: would the bomb have exploded if they just let the timer completely run out? When Sawyer pulled the wire, it counted down really fast and blew-- it still could have killed them. It actually... did kill one of them directly and two more died in the aftermath. I think to me that it says something about choices, and it ties into the rules as well as the nature of the power that Jacob gave to the candidates: the dynamite in the Black Rock didn't blow up because Jack believed it wouldn't. Sawyer, though, did not believe and had no faith, therefore his action of pulling the wires "enabled" them to be harmed. This relates to John Locke as well. He believed in the power of the island and that's what made him special; he believed in it and it opened up a whole new can of worms for him-- it's why he was able to see the light in the jungle way back in season 1, for example. The point I'm trying to make is that most of these answers do exist, you just have to look for them and find them by taking information presented in one event and tie it into another. |
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(08-26-2010, 02:21 PM)
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#90
Originally Posted by brandonh83:
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(08-26-2010, 02:24 PM)
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#91
Originally Posted by Emerson:
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blow in her face and
she'll follow you anywhere (08-26-2010, 02:41 PM)
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#96
Originally Posted by McBacon:
TWD isn't mystery packed however, speaking only in terms of characters. |
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(08-26-2010, 02:42 PM)
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#97
Originally Posted by McBacon:
^Oh yes Walking Dead should be nice if it maintains the same quality as the comics. |
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(08-26-2010, 02:57 PM)
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#100
Originally Posted by McBacon:
I watched Dexter and Breaking Bad. Problem solved! |
