[Snuggler]

Oh wow. There's ANOTHER thing hidden in the box with another clue to something else. God damn, best box set ever.

So jealous. I was planning getting the blu ray box set day one but it's a little expensive for me right now. Plus, there are a lot of gaming releases coming up and it's hard for me to pass on those. Dammit, though, I want it. I bet Lost looks awesome on blu ray.

At least I have a birthday in October, I will demand that my friends and family buy it or I will never speak to them again.

[gdt]

I don't know, wouldn't they have announced another soundtrack release already? I'm pretty bummed The End hasn't gotten an entire disc to itself -_-.

Or at least mark this edition as "Part I".

[BenjaminBirdie]

So jealous. I was planning getting the blu ray box set day one but it's a little expensive for me right now. Plus, there are a lot of gaming releases coming up and it's hard for me to pass on those. Dammit, though, I want it. I bet Lost looks awesome on blu ray. At least I have a birthday in October, I will demand that my friends and family buy it or I will never speak to them again.

It looks pretty amazing, yeah.

And this extra thing, in its holistic entirety, is pretty interesting in light of the trajectory of S6....

[The Big Rig]

So psyched for tonight's episode.

wait, :(

[Spire]

Not as much, but i dont think people should force their opinions on others

Quite possibly the most ironic post in the history of the internet.

[Kurtofan]

Woohoo Lost thread!
Subscribed.

[Keyser Soze]

I liked the part where we found out Locke was in a wheelchair, but then he walked and shit

[gdt]

Obligatory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqruY6tlay4

[Blader5489]

Yeah, I disliked some of the the vaguery of the rules. The "You can't hurt eachother," brings up a bunch of wishy-washy debates on who gets credit for what kills. However, I did like that all of Smokey's schemes come from figuring out these exact mechanics and coming up with long-con schemes to abuse them. I also liked the subtle freak occurrences. It's some fucked up universal reality-bending shit, but I liked all of the failed attempts at suicide throughout the show. It is probably the best demonstration of the show's Fate Vs. Freewill duality, as well as the best hint at the relationship between Walt's and Jacob's summoning ability. I also liked how it played into all of the game symbolism throughout the series; some rules are hard limitations imposed by the island's rulers, while others are merely gentlemanly rules, like the rules dictating the Others' behaviors. Has anybody made a full list of the rules?

The Mother's rule was that Jacob and MIB cannot kill each other; Jacob extended this protection to all of his chosen (the candidates and the failsafe). Jacob also had two rules of his own: 1) MIB cannot leave the island as long as Jacob (and any potential new Jacobs) are still alive, and 2) candidates cannot kill themselves.

Although the reasoning for Jacob's rules is never clearly defined in the show, the basic idea behind it seems clear to me. If MIB really wants to prove his point about humanity being intrinsically self-destructive and easily manipulated, then that should be how MIB "wins" the "game." If MIB is just killing candidates on his own, he isn't proving anything other than that he's a murderer.

It's the same deal with needing a loophole to kill Jacob. Other than the fact that their mother wouldn't allow them to kill each other, what better way to show Jacob that people suck than getting one of them to kill Jacob himself?

[gdt]

This was such an awesome moment too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KYO1qKyZ0Q

[Dali]

The Mother's rule was that Jacob and MIB cannot kill each other; Jacob extended this protection to all of his chosen (the candidates and the failsafe). Jacob also had two rules of his own: 1) MIB cannot leave the island as long as Jacob (and any potential new Jacobs) are still alive, and 2) candidates cannot kill themselves. Although the reasoning for Jacob's rules is never clearly defined in the show, the basic idea behind it seems clear to me. If MIB really wants to prove his point about humanity being intrinsically self-destructive and easily manipulated, then that should be how MIB "wins" the "game." If MIB is just killing candidates on his own, he isn't proving anything other than that he's a murderer. It's the same deal with needing a loophole to kill Jacob. Other than the fact that their mother wouldn't allow them to kill each other, what better way to show Jacob that people suck than getting one of them to kill Jacob himself?

No, the mother's rule was that they could never hurt each other. Maybe each time Jacob beat the shit out of his brother it just looked like it hurt and that's why he was able to do it :/

And turning him into the smoke monster and killing him (as Jacob knew him)? That wasn't hurting him... it was just... errrr... progress?

[Blader5489]

No, the mother's rule was that they could never hurt each other. Maybe each time Jacob beat the shit out of his brother it just looked like it hurt and that's why he was able to do it :/ And turning him into the smoke monster and killing him (as Jacob knew him)? That wasn't hurting him... it was just... errrr... progress?

As in they can't kill each other; I don't think it meant they can't literally hurt each other, in sense that they can't cause any amount of pain to one another, since we know that's obviously not the case.

She says "hurt" because the kids don't understand the concept of death. iirc, the scene happens right after Jacob and MIB witness some of the Romans kill a boar.

[JoeMartin]

Season 6 finale was cool and all but I'm still waiting for the series finale.

[thekad]

I'm dead.

[Dali]

As in they can't kill each other; I don't think it meant they can't literally hurt each other, in sense that they can't cause any amount of pain to one another, since we know that's obviously not the case. She says "hurt" because the kids don't understand the concept of death. iirc, the scene happens right after Jacob and MIB witness some of the Romans kill a boar.

You can interpret it how you'd like, but she clearly says "hurt" not "kill" in response to the question "can we hurt each other". This implies death is off the table as well, but through the more strict prohibition of hurting one another is the way it was explained. Earlier in that episode the MiB asks what death is, but we don't know how much time has lapsed from that scene to when they spot the men in the jungle. MIB says "they killed a boar" so at that point it's clear they know what it is to kill something.

You say because the evidence points to that being an incorrect interpretation that can't be what she meant, but you're ignoring the fact that Jacob killed MIB. His dead body was placed next to their mother, remember. The smoke monster may be his brother or just look like his brother, but that doesn't change the fact that Jacob, in a manner, killed him. So even if you think she said "kill" that doesn't jibe with their actions either.

[KevinCow]

I can't believe it's been three months since the finale.

[BenjaminBirdie]

FULL BOX SET SPOILERS.

Warning, it's really way cooler if you find all this on your own.

Hidden in the ankh is a scroll. On the scroll is a bunch of symbols that you quickly realize correspond to a code to put in via your remote on the bonus disk. Do that and you find the rules to Senet. Kind of lame, huh? Except that according to the rules, Senet is basically a game that corresponds to what the Egyptians believed you had to go through in the afterlife to finally reach your soul's final resting place. Sound familiar? There's all sorts of game board details that correspond nicely to S6 and it really lends credence to the idea that Jacob or the Island itself created the Flash Sideways world as both a test and a reward for the Losties.

[Tim-E]

FULL BOX SET SPOILERS. Warning, it's really way cooler if you find all this on your own. Hidden in the ankh is a scroll. On the scroll is a bunch of symbols that you quickly realize correspond to a code to put in via your remote on the bonus disk. Do that and you find the rules to Senet. Kind of lame, huh? Except that according to the rules, Senet is basically a game that corresponds to what the Egyptians believed you had to go through in the afterlife to finally reach your soul's final resting place. Sound familiar? There's all sorts of game board details that correspond nicely to S6 and it really lends credence to the idea that Jacob or the Island itself created the Flash Sideways world as both a test and a reward for the Losties.

So awesome, but I think that the set should have come with this game instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGeAS...eature=related

[Erigu]

That's incredible, a bad show cannot hold this power over people. If it was truly bad, that is to say with no redeeming qualities, it would be ignored and forgotten.

Like Ed Wood, or Uwe Boll (not saying I think they're interchangeable).
It's just so bad, it's kinda fascinating.

You say because the evidence points to that being an incorrect interpretation that can't be what she meant, but you're ignoring the fact that Jacob killed MIB. His dead body was placed next to their mother, remember. The smoke monster may be his brother or just look like his brother, but that doesn't change the fact that Jacob, in a manner, killed him. So even if you think she said "kill" that doesn't jibe with their actions either.

I think that thing about how going down in the magical cave would mean suffering a fate "worse than death" was the writers' way of saying "see? that's not death, so it's fair game for Jacob to do that to his brother!" (and I guess the "please forget about that during the finale, when both Desmond and Jack explore the cave" was implied).
... Of course, the writers also wanted to explain Adam and Eve away (Obama asked), so they needed a male skeleton, so they needed the MiB's corpse... "Hey, let's say it just resurfaces there. Whatever."

[spermatic cord]

Remember when jin sun and sayid all died. That came out of nowhere

[Drealmcc0y]

As in they can't kill each other; I don't think it meant they can't literally hurt each other, in sense that they can't cause any amount of pain to one another, since we know that's obviously not the case. She says "hurt" because the kids don't understand the concept of death. iirc, the scene happens right after Jacob and MIB witness some of the Romans kill a boar.

lol i feel your pain here blader, I was trying to explain this to someone yesterday and they wernt having it :lol

[Drealmcc0y]

Season 6 finale was cool and all but I'm still waiting for the series finale.

I know, right!

Im still waiting for them to explain Juliets mark.



Waiting for years and nothing!

Hack writers

[Erigu]

Remember when jin sun and sayid all died. That came out of nowhere

But it was necessary! To establish that the smoke monster is evil, just in case you missed it back when he killed those other people!

But even the writers weren't fully prepared, it seems, as they had to go back! and film that short scene where the Kwons talk about their daughter.
"Hey, you killed them off, but what about Ji Yeon?
- Who?
- Ji Yeon. Their daughter.
- ... Oh. Right. They had a daughter.
- Yeeeeah, shouldn't that be addressed?
- We'll shoot a short scene saying she's with Sun's mother. Problem solved! High five!"

Amusing how they did the same thing with Hurley finding Jacob's ashes among Ilana's stuff. That's foresight for ya.

[Iceman]

lol i feel your pain here blader, I was trying to explain this to someone yesterday and they wernt having it :lol

from what I remember, the clear intention of that line was to suggest the brothers could not kill each other.

Wail on, is clearly another matter.

[Drealmcc0y]

from what I remember, the clear intention of that line was to suggest the brothers could not kill each other. Wail on, is clearly another matter.

I know its clear to me too, but they are like "No, she said hurt!"

[Blader5489]

You can interpret it how you'd like, but she clearly says "hurt" not "kill" in response to the question "can we hurt each other". This implies death is off the table as well, but through the more strict prohibition of hurting one another is the way it was explained. Earlier in that episode the MiB asks what death is, but we don't know how much time has lapsed from that scene to when they spot the men in the jungle. MIB says "they killed a boar" so at that point it's clear they know what it is to kill something.

But given the fact that they obviously can hurt each other and they obviously can't kill each other, I think it's safe to assume that what she meant was that they couldn't kill each other. I never really took it any other way, myself.

You say because the evidence points to that being an incorrect interpretation that can't be what she meant, but you're ignoring the fact that Jacob killed MIB. His dead body was placed next to their mother, remember. The smoke monster may be his brother or just look like his brother, but that doesn't change the fact that Jacob, in a manner, killed him. So even if you think she said "kill" that doesn't jibe with their actions either.

If anything killed MIB then, it would have been the light. But either, MIB didn't really die in the normal sense; he became the monster, and his lifeless body was left behind. So he may have been physically dead, but he still existed as smokey; hence the fate "worse than death."

Remember when jin sun and sayid all died. That came out of nowhere

Don't remind me. That episode aired on my birthday. Totally ruined my night. :lol

[Iceman]

I know, right! Im still waiting for them to explain Juliets mark. Waiting for years and nothing! Hack writers

That looks like the universal symbol for "Laser" or "Laser Radiation"

[IMG]http://i34.************/2qn06m8.jpg[/IMG]

[Erigu]

So he may have been physically dead, but he still existed as smokey; hence the fate "worse than death."

Of course, it would have been so much better if they had said anything about how shitty it was to be a smoke monster. Because as it is? 'Looks like a super power.

[Snuggler]

In a way, this thread is like the Lost afterlife in the finale episode. It's all over, but somehow we get to be together again one last time.
It's nice. Even Erigu is a member of Lost-GAF, one of us, he's like the smoke monster, trying to destroy our faith.

[Blader5489]

It's nice. Even Erigu is a member of Lost-GAF, one of us, he's like the smoke monster, trying to destroy our faith.

Does that mean we can push him off a cliff?

[Erigu]

Does that mean we can push him off a cliff?

You'd need to uncork the show, first.

[Veidt]

I know, right! Im still waiting for them to explain Juliets mark. Waiting for years and nothing! Hack writers

[Quincey]

I know, right! Im still waiting for them to explain Juliets mark. Waiting for years and nothing! Hack writers

I thought you said you were leaving

[Drealmcc0y]

I thought you said you were leaving

Until we got back to a reasonable debate

:D

[Quincey]

Until we got back to a reasonable debate :D

o o, finale sucks.

[Drealmcc0y]

o o, finale sucks.

Your bait sucks though

[jett]

Seriously?

[Catalix]

I'm dead.

...




I died, too ;_;

[KevinCow]

So.

Uh.



Now what? There's nothing else Lost-related to look forward to now.

I'm... confused. And lost. :(

[Keyser Soze]

Was this brought up yet?

The Prince Charles Cinema to Screen Lost Marathon – 121 Episodes Back to Back

When you were watching Lost religiously on TV, week after week, do you ever wish that the next episode would come along a little bit faster!? Well this news might make your day! To celebrate the release of The Lost Comeplete Box Set which is released 13th September, The Prince Charles Cinema in London’s Leicester Square will screen every single episode of Lost, back to the back! That’s 121 episodes and will take a total of 80 hours! The event is open to 280 people and will take place 10am Monday 13th September, with the Lost finale expected to screen on Thursday 16th September. To pre-register your attendance email lostmarathon@taylorherring.com

http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2010/08/26...-back-to-back/

I would do this :D

[Drealmcc0y]

London?

I think I might go there, only for a day though.

[brandonh83]

Further discussion
Encyclopedia
Future sets and commentaries
me

[MMaRsu]

Won't this be a megathread eventually?

[BenjaminBirdie]

Won't this be a megathread eventually?

Then they close it and Thread Season 2 starts.

[brandonh83]

We haven't quite yet blown the hatch door off this Thread yet though.

[Dali]

But given the fact that they obviously can hurt each other and they obviously can't kill each other, I think it's safe to assume that what she meant was that they couldn't kill each other. I never really took it any other way, myself.

Like I said, your interpretation. They obviously can both hurt each other and the kill part is up for debate, so if you think you're obviously right for you're way of interpreting a plot hole then so be it. How can you be so sure about one point when they have holes surrounding so many other?

If anything killed MIB then, it would have been the light.

That's like saying if anything killed Saayid if would have been the bullet from the gun, not the Darma guy that shot him.

But either, MIB didn't really die in the normal sense; he became the monster, and his lifeless body was left behind.

Yeah, this is the really the crux of your argument. I see him as having died and become something different, whereas you don't. They imply that that's what happens when they talk about the Locke monster; He can only take the body of a dead person and then he can't change. He knew everything about Locke: In a way he was both Locke and Jacob's brother. It seems that the smoke monster is a different entity - more of an amalgamation - created in the image of and taking the memories of the dead people it chooses. That doesn't change the fact that the smoke monster is not exactly these people, for they have died.

So he may have been physically dead, but he still existed as smokey; hence the fate "worse than death."

Operative part of that being "dead". He was dead, hence he was killed. Just as you would describe Locke as having been killed (before we knew that MIB wasn't really Locke) and Saayid as having been killed. Seems to me it wouldn't matter whether they returned from the dead or not. If this were the Jacob/MIB situation the rule would have been broken whether they returned to life as a smoke monster or some sort of evil zombie thing.

[Blader5489]

That's like saying if anything killed Saayid if would have been the bullet from the gun, not the Darma guy that shot him.

I think the dialogue makes it clear what's going to happen:

MAN IN BLACK: You can't kill me, Jacob. She made it that way. You can't. JACOB: Don't worry, brother. I'm not going to kill you.

If anything is killing MIB here, it's the light.

Yeah, this is the really the crux of your argument. I see him as having died and become something different, whereas you don't. They imply that that's what happens when they talk about the Locke monster; He can only take the body of a dead person and then he can't change. He knew everything about Locke: In a way he was both Locke and Jacob's brother. It seems that the smoke monster is a different entity - more of an amalgamation - created in the image of and taking the memories of the dead people it chooses. That doesn't change the fact that the smoke monster is not exactly these people, for they have died.

The smoke monster is just MIB. He only takes the appearances and memories of other people for his own use; he is, at his core, only MIB. Smokey/Flocke/MIB never described himself as being an amalgam of different people, he was only ever one person.

Operative part of that being "dead". He was dead, hence he was killed. Just as you would describe Locke as having been killed (before we knew that MIB wasn't really Locke) and Saayid as having been killed. Seems to me it wouldn't matter whether they returned from the dead or not. If this were the Jacob/MIB situation the rule would have been broken whether they returned to life as a smoke monster or some sort of evil zombie thing.

But I'm not saying he returned from the dead. I'm saying that the light transformed MIB into Smokey, and his body was just behind. No soul = dead body, technically, but I wouldn't consider that the same as what happened to everyone else who died on the show because, unlike them, MIB still physically existed, albeit in a new form.

[Drealmcc0y]

Blader what do you think of this theory.

The reason MiB became smokey is because of Mothers rule that Jacob cant kill him.

Him going down there should of killed him, but because the rules didnt allow it, he turned it the smoke. Becoming the darkness.

So this means mother wasnt the monster and this was a rare event.

[ChoklitReign]

I have the first 5 Lost seasons and will be buying just the sixth season boxset. What are the features exclusive to the complete series boxset?

[Erigu]

So this means mother wasnt the monster and this was a rare event.

Didn't they strongly hint at the mother being another smoke monster, in the commentary?
Not that I think it quite makes sense (what ever does, on this show?), but she did destroy that camp overnight...

And what about the Egyptian depictions of the monster?