I can wait. What I am curious about is the fact that Beyond Good and Evil is 1080p 60fps. What in the world is stopping them from making all these PS collections at this level. That game was certainly not an easy game back in the day! Is it the fact that the assets are not anywhere near that and it will look too sharp for the low res assets thereby hurting the overall look? I can see Ico running in 1080p might destroy some of its charm but I am not sure what to think. Sly Cooper surely could have used some extra AA or something no? I am just wondering what goes into these ports as there is never an interview or anything really that tells us a damn thing as to how these things are made.
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Ico/Shadow of the Colossus Collection: Trailer and Screens - Spring 2011
- Thread starter Seda
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boredofcanada
Member
FTH said:
amazon had march 22 up until a few days ago. now its december 31st.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
DMeisterJ said:
That sounds familiar, actually. I don't know where I got 8 months, but anyway, WTF!?
Port this shit, Guerilla!
SolidSnakex
Member
Both of those retailers just list it as a December 31st title. That's usually just a generic date that's given to games that retailers don't know the date for.
sixteen-bit
Member
Same here :/alr1ghtstart said:
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Oni Jazar said:
And yet Ico is a quarter of the resolution of GOW and SotC runs at a third of the framerate.
But yeah, there were a lot of fortunate factors that made the GOW ports go smoothly that are absent in the current process.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Fafalada said:
Even if he's wrong about that, IIRC the GOW code was very well documented/commented and BluePoint were able to consult with the original author(s). It's unclear whether that's the case for the Team Ico project.
sixteen-bit
Member
Nah is right, there's no benefit for them in bundling it.Yoshichan said:
makingmusic476
Member
Ueda recently said they were doing the opening scene from Ico and some other stuff from the games (like some textures, if that comparison from the previous page is anything to go by). They're putting a lot more work into this port than God of War or Sly.
He also aid he'd like to get a demo for the Last Guardian onto the Collection disc, if he could.
I could totally see those two things causing the game to get delayed. Probably only til summer, but it's still a delay.
He also aid he'd like to get a demo for the Last Guardian onto the Collection disc, if he could.
I could totally see those two things causing the game to get delayed. Probably only til summer, but it's still a delay.
legacyzero
Banned
Never played them? OMG this should be your number 1 hype for at least Q1 of 2011.overcast said:
From the Kmart rep at CAG concerning the date for the game.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8246072&postcount=6073
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8246072&postcount=6073
N30RYU
Member
Here's some gameplay of both games:
http://vandal.net/noticia/54167/vid...-ico-y-shadow-of-the-colossus-en-movimiento/#
http://vandal.net/noticia/54167/vid...-ico-y-shadow-of-the-colossus-en-movimiento/#
badcrumble
Member
SotC has an insanely aggressive LoD system, which REALLY should've been adjusted (or removed entirely) in the remake.Adam J. said:
Not disagreeing with that - Japanese studios also have a history of not taking very good care of old codebases/archives. ICO also predates some tools like VU optimizers, so there's possibly hand-optimized only asm code there that can be quite painful to read.hey_it's_that_dog said:
But there are no deeprooted "metal-coding" issues that wouldn't apply essentially to every PS2 game out there. While most codebases had a PC version you could work from for the basic functionality(likely very unoptimized), chances are that most also contain PS2 specific codepaths(effects etc.) that were never implemented anywhere else, and those boil down to a mixture of machine code for GPU and dependencies on very-specific hardware behavior of PS2 Floating point units, DMA, and rasterizer.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Ico and SotC were a lot more demanding visually then BG&E. So much so that to get Ico to run at a fairly stable 30FPS, they had to render it in 512x240 on PS2. SotC could barely keep the framerate at 20 at times. Lots of fillrate eating effects in both games. Also, pretty sure BG&E remake is 720p 60fps, not 1080p?Khronikos said:
On a more positive note, both Ico and SotC look great in 720p and 1080p in the emulator. Art holds up incredibly well, aside for some low res textured rooms and objects in Ico, which they are redoing for this remake.
Lion Heart
Banned
overcast said:
I actually rented ICO when it came out, on new years eve none the less. Although my impressions boiled down to "..this is shit" and I think i ended up trading it for Legends of Wrestling.
I was 15 though. Now these are the types of games that I pray for.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Not sure what to think... looks like the remake version at that point was missing the full screen 'hdr blur' for the lack of better term, that the game originally had and that can be seen in the emulated screen. I do know that they have managed to keep the wonderful outdoors fog effect that the emulator is completely omitting.Durante said:
*edit* new video seems to show that the full screen blur is back, I think, or it just could be a poor focus on their camera.
Also, there's shadow from the torch missing in the emulated screen, not sure if the original had realitime shadowing for the torch at all.
metareferential
Member
qualia said:
Forget MGS.
Buy a ps3 now, play Demon's Souls, Uncharted (both) and Wipeout HD Fury (and Gow3, kz2-3, heavy rain, etc).
TLG looks like a 2012 title, I'm afraid.
By the time you'll be nearly done with those games, the collection will be there. xD
metareferential
Member
Those vids are nice.
I can't wait to replay everything in 3D; ICO and SotC are the only two ps2 games that I couldn't live without.
And they're probably the only two worth replaying, for me.
I can't wait to replay everything in 3D; ICO and SotC are the only two ps2 games that I couldn't live without.
And they're probably the only two worth replaying, for me.
makingmusic476
Member
That would imply a Spring 2012 release for the Last Guardian.dallow_bg said:
Didn't Ueda say just last week that the game was definitely coming out this year? =(
maybe they are adding the original "NICO" as content....co-op online play????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeBpRiWGdWg
its nice to want things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeBpRiWGdWg
its nice to want things.
Hmm, it appears BGaE is 720p native I have no idea why so many sites were claiming 1080p. Anyway, I wish all of these remakes were 1080p though I guess it doesn't make a huge difference if the assets were not that high res. Still, it does help with clarity or does it not matter since it wasn't native to begin with? Does anybody think that 1080p is sometimes too high of a res for these games, where the world comes across looking too blocky? Especially for a game like Ico which was really low res I am not sure 1080p would look all that great but who I am to say. It's nice to have all these remakes but something still says I wish the PS3 had a better GPU.
