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(10-12-2010, 10:09 AM)
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Updated 22 April 2013
See post #807 for latest update

The story continues in the NEW THREAD here



Background

The notorious trademark troll, serial liar, and incompetent forger Tim Langdell, of Edge Games, Edge Interactive Media and all other things Edge, is on the run. See post #2 for an abbreviated summary so far, this Eurogamer article for general background on Langdell’s activities, and this piece on ChaosEdge for the legal background to the EA case.

Langdell lost big time when he sued EA in the US Federal Court, and again against Future Publishing in the UK High Court. Proceedings before the US Trademark Trial and Appeal Board are still live. Mobigame has been granted an international trademark for “Edge” in respect of videogames.

Update 22 April 2013: the Commissioner for Trademarks has CANCELLED Langdell's trademarks.

The main purpose of this thread is to make sure Langdell has no place to hide. I’m trying to track all of Langdell’s activities and trademarks. There are lots of loose ends. This thread is for following them up.

Other Internet Resources

There’s a lot of derivative or wrong or ill-informed stuff out there. This lot seem sound and reliable/original. Sorry if I’ve missed some good stuff out, drop me a note if I’ve missed anything important.

Aug 2009. Simon Parkin at Eurogamer. Even-handed and thoughtful history up to the threats to Mobigame.
May 2009. Simon Carless at Gamasutra on Langdell and MobiGame (then taken down and reposted Jun 2009)
May 2009. Tom Buscaglia of the IGDA defending Langdell. To his credit he hasn’t taken this post down (though he did edit it a bit when hindsight became available).
ChaosEdge, the home and hub of Langdell research, excellent original research and great fun to read all the way through. This site has been cited against Langdell in court documents and is the primary cause of his being caught out. A must-read.
Jun 2011. John Walker at RockPaperShotgun. Report on the Future Publishing victory in the UK High Court
Jul 2011. Fred Dutton at Eurogamer. Reporting on a Langdell attempt to defend his character (and besmirch Future Publishing)


Previous and related GAF threads

Jun 2009 iPhone Game Edge pulled because of "edge" obssessed bastard.
Aug 2009 IGDA (not) stepping up to possibly remove Tim Langdell from board
Aug 2009 IGDA Announces Dr. Tim Langdell has stepped down from IGDA Board
Sep 2009 "Edge" is free?! EA to Tim Langdell: "Fuck you"
Nov 2009 Langdell still a giant bag of shit - Edge gets pulled AGAIN
Oct 2010 EA vs Edge trademark case - GAME OVER! - read post #169
Jul 2011 Tim Langdell continues trolling by releasing "EDGEBobby2" for iOS
Jun 2011 Tim "Trademark Troll" Langdell Court Update (Rock, Paper, Shotgun article)

Trademarks and trademark applications (updated 22 Apr 2017)

United States (live)

3774697 MYTHORA, for computer game software. This one might be for real, see the Chaosedge article.
85147499 EDGE GAMES for videogames. New application 7 Oct 2010. Application suspended 6 Jul 2011 as behind Mobigame’s application. See post #203 sect 4.
85704825 SL8 for computers and carrying cases. New application 15 Aug 2012, registration refused as purely descriptive 18 Dec 2012.
85891791 EDGE PC for computer hardware. New application 1 Apr 2013
85891810 EDGE GAMING PC for computer hardware. New application 1 Apr 2013


United States (dead)

2219837 EDGE, for printed matter, publications, packaging etc Cancellation ordered by District Court 8 Oct 2010, by TTAB 11 Jul 2011 and again by TTAB 9 Apr 2013, cancelled 17 Apr 2013
3559342 THE EDGE, for video game peripherals, software, mugs, T-shirts, toys etc Cancellation ordered by District Court 8 Oct 2010, by TTAB 11 Jul 2011 and again by TTAB 9 Apr 2013, cancelled 17 Apr 2013
2251584 CUTTING EDGE, for illustrated comic books and magazines Cancellation ordered by District Court 8 Oct 2010, by TTAB 11 Jul 2011 and again by TTAB 9 Apr 2013 (scammed from Marvel in 2005), cancelled 17 Apr 2013
3381826 GAMER’S EDGE, for computers, hardware, audio kit, games and consoles etc Cancellation ordered by District Court 8 Oct 2010, by TTAB 11 Jul 2011 and again by TTAB 9 Apr 2013 (subject of the Velocity Micro case), cancelled 17 Apr 2013

Because of the timing, applications abandoned and trademarks surrendered in October 2010 are likely to be part of the settlement of the EA case in the District Court. Applications abandoned before then appear to be due to not being able to (or wanting to) prove actual use or intent to use, usually after a successful scam.

3105816 EDGE, for printed matter (magazines to bumper stickers), writing instruments Cancellation ordered in EA v Edge Games, rejected by USPTO as part-owned by Future Publishing, eventually Cancelled 25 Jan 2013 for failure to declare continued use
3585463 EDGEGAMERS, for online gaming clubs. Surrendered 14 Oct 2010. Scammed from John Coates and Mike Zerbe http://www.edgegamers.org/ in 2009.
2727547 EDGE OF EXTINCTION, for computer game software. Surrendered 14 Oct 2010. Scammed from Cybernet Systems in 2009.
78981284 EDGE, for software. Application abandoned 14 Oct 2010 after opposition by EA.
85032734 MIRRORS, for videogames. Application abandoned 15 Oct 2010. after rejected by USPTO for similarity with Mirror’s Edge and others.
78807479 EDGE, for computers etc. Application abandoned 15 Oct 2010. Failed attempt to scam Edge Tech Corp.
77775292 KILLER EDGE RACING for game software Application abandoned May 2010 attempt to scam Video Mind Games without revealing it was Langdell doing it
77746865 EDGE OF TWILIGHT for game software Applied Jul 2009Application abandoned for non-use Aug 2010 attempt to scam Fuzzyeyes
77738682 EDGY for game software Applied May 2009 Application abandoned Aug 2009 part of the attack on Mobigame
77069878 EARTHEDGE for computer games and entertainment services Applied Dec 2006 Application abandoned Apr 2010 apparently scammed from John Pafford then abandoned for failure to declare use
75029400 EDGE for computer hardware, software and games Applied Dec 1995 Application abandoned May 1998 application to reinstate in 2008 denied as out of 2-month time limit!
75283999 MAGIC EDGE for computers, watches, magazines, mugs golf balls, games etc etc Applied April 1997 Application abandoned Jul 1998 on petition attempt to scam Namco probably (but golf balls? Really?)
75283997 SOUL EDGE for toys, games, magazines, mugs, T-shirts etc Applied Apr 1997 Application abandoned Jun 1999 for failure to respond attempt to scam Namco
75077115 LEADING EDGE for peripherals, magazines, mugs, T-shirts, consoles etc software Applied Mar 1996 Application abandoned Jan 1999, refused by USPTO no idea what this was for
75077114 CUTTING EDGE for game software Applied March 1996 Application abandoned Jan 1999, failure to respond don’t know what this was for
75029401 EDGE 3D for computers, accessories, games Applied Dec 1995 Application abandoned May 1998, failure to respond
74390998 EDGE for comic books, graphic novels, illustrated stories Applied May 1993 Application abandoned Aug 1997 after opposed by Collector’s Edge of Tennessee early record of Langdell losing at USPTO (and before the Future Publishing agreement)
1883671 MASTERS OF THE GAME for game programs Registration cancelled Mar 2002 for failure to declare commercials use and after opposition from Acclaim Entertainment


UK (live)

UK00002517177 EDGE OF TWILIGHT registered Jan 2010, attempt to scam Fuzzyeyes
UK00002540453 EDGE, for game software and related entertainment services. Applied March 2010, Opposed August 2010. Still being opposed.
UK00002520453 KILLER EDGE RACING. For computer game software. scamming Video Mind Games, should never have been allowed on the register as it stood


UK (dead)

UK00002516573 MIRROR’s SPORE applied for May 2009 Application withdrawn 16 Oct 2010. after opposition (probably from EA)
UK00002516575 SOULSPORE applied for May 2009 Application withdrawn 16 Oct 2010 after opposition
UK00001562099A EDGE, for stationery, posters packaging etc relating to video games etc. Revocation case withdrawn 16 Oct 2010. Revoked 11 May 2012
UK00002147008A EDGE 3D, for Computer hardware and peripherals, printed materials. Revocation case withdrawn 16 Oct 2010. Revoked 11 May 2012
UK00002147013A THE EDGE, for hardware etc, stationery etc, games & toys etc, amusement s & media etc, Rental and consultancy etc. Revocation case withdrawn 16 Oct 2010. Revoked 11 May 2012
UK00002147022A MAGIC EDGE, for hardware, stationery, clothing and amusements etc. Revocation case withdrawn 16 Oct 2010. Revoked 11 May 2012
UK00002147035A EDGE NET, for hardware, stationery, amusements etc. Revocation case withdrawn 16 Oct 2010. Revoked 11 May 2012
UK00002147040A GAMER’S EDGE, for hardware, stationery, clothing and amusements etc. Revocation case withdrawn 16 Oct 2010. Revoked 11 May 2012

Germany (live)

395177324 EDGE. For magazines and publications mostly. Part-owned by Future Publishing

Germany (dead)

E32199/2050767 EDGE. For computer game software. Cancelled 2003 and file destroyed


Proceedings in Court

I need to do a bit more work on this section, but for now just getting links to the key cases and judgments.

USPTO TTAB: EA’s petition to cancel five of Langdell’s marks a long wait for the Board to cancel trademarks. Future Publishing intervened.
US Federal Court: EA vs. EDGE GAMES here’s the key damning judgment and the court order.
UK High Court: Future Publishing v Edge Games and others. Damning judgment here and report here. See post #185.


Websites (updated 25 Aug 2011)

Langdell Brown Associates vanished
British Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences still there, still horrible Now vanished completely, see post #153
British Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences “New website coming soon” – oh my, I hope not
Edge Studios Boringest site in the world, goes straight to email
Tim's personal website and bio. Closed for maintenance apparently, see post #203..
Edge Games (US version) Was in retreat, now has a new lease of life, see post #268.
Edge Games (UK version) A shadow of its former self, basically a Boby Bearing banner and a few falsehoods to boot.
Bobby Bearing A one-page banner for Langdell’s (? Subject to trademark and copyright disputes) iPhone game.

Companies (updated 25 Aug 2011)

Edge Games Inc, incorporated in California C2767367 - not bankrupt yet
The Edge Interactive Media Inc, incorporated in California C1677002 - not bankrupt yet
Edge Europe Ltd, registered in England and Wales 06581756 (see post #260) previously named BAIAS Ltd and the shadowy entity behind the KILLEREDGERACING trademarks. Wholly and solely owned by Langdell.

Other stuff

Associate Professor at National University, LA. Not any more. last checked 11 Oct 2010
Board member of IGDA. Resigned. Aug 2009
Member of IGDA. Not any more. 14 Oct 2010
Last edited by phisheep; 04-22-2013 at 06:32 AM. Reason: Stuff happened
phisheep
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Background

1) From games to trademarks

Tim Langdell was CEO of Softek, then of Edge Games, in the 1980s. They did make games, though Tim was already getting a reputation for not paying people, for talking himself up in the press and for general douchebaggery and unpleasantness. He developed an interest in IP law early, when trying to claim a share of copyright in games developed using his compiler.

Early 1990s Langdell moved to California (some say this was to avoid getting sued in England for something) set up Edge Games Inc and discovered the joys of the US Patent and Trademark Office. From here on in there’s no evidence that he developed any games at all, but he did acquire a lot of trademarks. His usual modus operandi was to oppose someone’s application for a trademark that looked vaguely related to “Edge” and then to come to what is laughably known as an amicable settlement in which Langdell got the trademark and the other guy didn’t. He rarely sued – didn’t have to.

2) Future Publishing gets entrapped

Future started EDGE magazine in the 1990s, and Langdell was right in there with his usual tricks, ending up not only with the trademark but with some sort of agreement with Future to protect their trademark. Future is down £300,000 on the deal and I guess is left somewhat embarrassed by the whole thing. It seems likely that this easy and lucrative victory spurred Langdell to even greater efforts, with victims including Datel, Velocity Micro, Marvel Comics, Namco, Fuzzyeyes and VideoMindGames.

3) ChaosEdge comes to the rescue of Mobigames

In the 2000s Langdell inveigled himself into a teaching post at National University, and onto the board at the Independent Game Developers Association, it was all coming good. Until in 2009 he went after Mobigames for their EDGE game. This time the internet flew to the rescue. Langdell’s correspondence was published so we could see what he was up to (extortion basically) and the guys at ChaosEdge did some serious research, unearthing evidence of fraudulent trademark applications, non-trading and abandonment. Meanwhile, Langdell was lining up his next big prize, EA’s Mirror’s Edge.

4) EA bites back

Armed with ChaosEdge’s evidence, EA petitioned the USPTO to have a bunch of Langdell’s trademarks cancelled on the grounds of fraud and abandonment. That’s what this case is about.

Summary of the case so far

Glossary

USPTO – the US Patent and Trademark Office
TTAB – the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board (judicial branch of the USPTO)
The Board – TTAB
FED – District Court of Northern California

What happened

TTAB Sep 2009: EA files petition to cancel Langdell’s marks for fraud and abandonment, and also files to get “Mirror’s Edge” trademarked
TTAB Oct 2009: Langdell moves to dismiss the case on the (spurious) grounds it had already been fully litigated in the earlier Velocity Micro case.
TTAB Feb 2010: The Board dismissed Langdell's motion
TTAB Mar 2010: Langdell moves to have the Board reconsider its dismissal, on the (spurious) grounds of stare decisis. EA files an amended petition containing Chaosedge’s evidence of fraud.
TTAB Jun 2010: Langdell recognises he is going to lose this motion, so sues EA in Federal Court for trademark infringement. This brings the TTAB proceedings to a grinding halt.

FED Jun 2010: Langdell files for damages for trademark infringement against EA, Meanwhile EA gets the Mirror’s Edge marks registered, which makes a nonsense out of Langdell’s case, but he hasn’t noticed yet.
FED Aug 2010: Langdell files for a preliminary injunction to stop EA selling Mirror’s Edge until the case is over. Nine days later EA files a counterclaim against Langdell on the grounds of fraud and abandonment.
FED Oct 2010: Judge denies Langdell’s motion for a preliminary injunction in damning terms falling just short of a judicial finding of fraud, and orders Langdell to face deposition on the fraud allegations. Langdell immediately caves in and settles the case (a case, remember, that he brought) entirely to his disadvantage, and abandons a whole load of trademark applications. Judge orders cancellation of the five marks in issue. Internet goes crazy and thinks it is all over. Internet is wrong.

TTAB Nov 2010: EA moves to have the marks cancelled and have judgment entered in EA’s favour (that would include a finding of fraud against Langdell). Langdell instead voluntarily surrenders the marks (trying to avoid fraud finding), EA withdraws its motion and…
TTAB Dec 2010: … the Board agrees to cancel the marks ‘in due course’ and dismiss the case without prejudice. Game over? Not a bit of it, Langdell has another trick up his sleeve.
TTAB Feb 2011: Langdell moves to withdraw his surrender on the EDGE mark because of it being part-owned by Future Publishing (though by then it wasn’t). Future intervened in the case to support that (because it wanted to hang on to its own rights) and …
TTAB July 2011: ... the Board allowed Langdell to withdraw his surrender, and joined Future Publishing as a defendant. Langdell thought that was a winning move, and gloated about it, but then …
TTAB Jul 2011: ... Future put in the killer motion to just get the trademark cancelled anyway in accordance with the Federal Court order! EA should have thought of that in the first place.
TTAB Aug 2011: Langdell countered by trying to withdraw two more surrenders, and for the next couple of months everyone disagreed with everyone else, with Langdell complaining that Future weren’t taking his side.
TTAB Oct 2011: Langdell moved to pull Future’s EDGE trademark into the proceedings and so try to get Future onside. EA and Future objected to that.
TTAB Nov 2011: everyone is all out of motions to submit and we are waiting for the Board to decide.
TTAB Mar 2012: the Board gives Langdell 20 days to appeal in the District Court or the trademarks will be cancelled ...
TTAB Apr 2012: ... which Langdell doesn't do, instead filing a barrage of motions claiming it's impossible, or illegal, or something ...
TTAB May 2012: ... which of course, Edge and Future opposed,

FED May 2012: and Langdell eventually - and late - filed with the District Court to have its ruling declared void,
TTAB May 2012: also filing with TTAB to have proceedings suspended again,

FED Jun 2012: but EA moved to strike Langdell's motion as improper, since Langdell is not an attorney (and should be in order to represent a company), and for good measure opposed it as well, while
TTAB Jun 2012: EA and Future opposed Langdell's attempt to have Board proceedings suspended.
TTAB Jul 2012: Langdell wheedles to the Board that they're wrong, EA and Future are wrong and everybody is out to get him, and
FED Jul 2012: the District Court strikes out Langdell's motion to overturn its own ruling.
TTAB Aug 2012: EA and Future move to get the trademarks cancelled; Langdell counters claiming that not only is the District Court's original ruling invalid but so is their order to strike out
TTAB Sep 2012: Nothing happened. We're all waiting with breath bated.

USPTO Jan 2013: the USPTO cancels one of the trademarks anyway while nobody's looking ...
TTAB Mar 2013: ... and the Board at long last ... gives the parties another 30 days to file certified copies of the now more than 2-year old District Court judgment, which EA and Future do only to be met with another rant of a Langdell motion. Three times. And another one.
TTAB Apr 2013: ... and another ... and another ... until finally the Board rules to cancel all five trademarks "in due course". Followed by a few other Langdell motions.
TTAB Apr 2013: and then, finally, at last, the Commissioner for Trademarks CANCELS Langdells marks!
Last edited by phisheep; 04-22-2013 at 06:02 AM.
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Love you, EA!
offshore
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I wonder how much money Langdell made from his trademarks.
DECK'ARD
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I hope he gets done for fraud as well as lose all the marks.

Amazing it took this long for him to be called out on all this, well done EA for doing the deed and getting him what he deserved.
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Love you, phisheep!
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Awesome thread... subscribed
Teknopathetic
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(10-12-2010, 10:22 AM)
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I would just like to say that I loosely followed phisheep's posts in the other threads and really enjoyed reading it all in laymen's, so thanks for that.
jufonuk
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so he tried to stop EDGE magazine being sold under that name?

it's a bit like Stelios and trademarking Easy
V_Ben
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So... Does that mean Edge of Twilight can come back? :(

More on topic, Excellent work man. Nice to know that its over.
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Originally Posted by Dani

Love you, phisheep!

That too! The other thread was only alive cause of phisheep so thank you for the awesome updates that others might not be aware of! :D
Opus Angelorum
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(10-12-2010, 11:22 AM)
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They applied for Mirrors after the fact? Wow
RustyO
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OP: Good stuff in laymans terms :lol
Jive Turkey
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Originally Posted by Teknopathetic

I would just like to say that I loosely followed phisheep's posts in the other threads and really enjoyed reading it all in laymen's, so thanks for that.

As did I. Thanks for all your hard work phisheep.

The one question I'd like answered (and sadly will never be) is what is with Langdell's fetish with the word "edge"?
OneMoreQuestion
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I believe Gamer's Edge is related to this website somehow...
http://www.actsofgord.com/index.php
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So ballsy, they already have Cross Edge logo on their website. Also, looks like they sued Datel for their Wii Edge Controllers! :lol

Too bad that shit ain't going nowhere! Seriously, someone else needs to patent the word "Edge" once his patents expire and let people use it under Creative Commons (or better yet: Don't let people Patent the word "Edge" at all!).
markot
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(10-12-2010, 11:40 AM)
Its weird that it took so long for a company to take him on. I guess smaller devs couldnt afford the fight, or preferred to avoid it. Dont mess with EA >.<!
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(10-12-2010, 11:47 AM)
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phisheep thanks for clearing up this stuff :)
phisheep
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(10-12-2010, 12:52 PM)
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Time for a quick look at Langdell's various websites and what has happened to them.

Edge Games

Recent changes



becomes



There are now two homepages, one for USA and one for UK/Europe. The US one uses (TM) makings in anticipation of registered trademarks being removed, the Europe one still shows (R) markings, since the UK trademarks haven't been challenged, yet. At least not so far as I know.

Claimed licencees (who may therefore have a case against Langdell, and should be among those notified of the court order)

Future Publishing
Datel
Edgegamers
NIS for Cross Edge
Velocity Micro
Marvel/Bravura/Malibu (oddly, Langdell claims to have acquired the rigts in the 1990s, but they weren't assigned to him until 2005 according to USPTO)
20th Century Fox for 'The Edge'

Old lies

That Langdell is developing games (e.g. Racers for PS3 Wii, 360)

Langdell Brown Associates

As uncovered by chaosedge. Oh look. It's vanished.

British Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences

Again, thanks to chaosedge. Oh, dear, it is still there.

But on the other hand

No it isn't.

Now, I can think of about two laws this is breaking right away. No. Three. However, it is not my top priority right now. One of these days I will get round to informing the appropriate authorities if it hasn't gone by then.
Jive Turkey
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:lol I wonder what they'd do if someone actually pre-ordered one of their "games".
phisheep
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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

:lol I wonder what they'd do if someone actually pre-ordered one of their "games".

EA's lawyers tried to, and got an error message, so told the judge.
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Wow, really fascinating stuff. I guess I understand now why game companies have legal departments! Thanks for explaining it phisheep!
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Originally Posted by phisheep

EA's lawyers tried to, and got an error message, so told the judge.

Ea :clap
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(10-12-2010, 01:25 PM)
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You're an inspiration Phisheep

*goes back to his torts assignment*
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(10-12-2010, 01:58 PM)
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Cool. Tim owned.
D2M15
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(10-12-2010, 02:27 PM)
So he changes the EA trademark-trolling name of his nonexistant upcoming game to... another EA-trademark troll?

Batshit insane. I love it.
The Technomancer
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Originally Posted by phisheep

EA's lawyers tried to, and got an error message, so told the judge.

...yeaaaaaah....I'm surprised Tim got this far.
Ashes
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Originally Posted by phisheep

EA's lawyers tried to, and got an error message, so told the judge.

:lol
Last edited by Ashes; 10-12-2010 at 03:41 PM.
phisheep
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Just a swift run through.

Edge Games Inc, incorporated in California C2767367 - not bankrupt yet
The Edge Interactive Media Inc, incorporated in California C1677002 - not bankrupt yet
BAIAS Ltd, haven't yet been able to find where (and if) this exists - help welcome. Not UK, Jersey, Guernsey or Isle of Man

will update OP with this shortly
oracrest
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Originally Posted by Opus Angelorum

They applied for Mirrors after the fact? Wow

You should check out the chaosedge blog to see a myriad of douche moves he did over various legal proceedings.
Last edited by oracrest; 10-12-2010 at 04:39 PM.
phisheep
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Originally Posted by oracrest

You should check out the chaosedge blog to see a myriad a douche moves he did over various legal proceedings.

Good reminder, oracrest. I had meant to link Chaosedge in the OP since they did all the heavy lifting on this.

EDIT: done
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phisheep
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The UK trademark system isn’t quite as open as the US one. Harder to find things out.

Edge Games Inc

2516573 MIRROR’s SPORE applied for May 2009, application being opposed, probably by EA? New lawyers.

2516575 SOULSPORE applied for May 2009, application being opposed, probably by EA. Tim has appointed new lawyers – wonder if they are as naïve as the US ones? Thinking about dropping them a warning.

2517177 EDGE OF TWILIGHT registered June 2009

Edge Interactive Media Inc

1562099A EDGE, for stationery, posters packaging etc relating to video games etc, registered 1994, renewed 2001 - revocation case received March 2009

2147008A EDGE 3D, for Computer hardware and peripherals, printed materials. Revocation case received March 2009 (had expired 26 Feb 2008, but was renewed two days later)

2147013A THE EDGE, for hardware etc, stationery etc, games & toys etc, amusement s & media etc, Rental and consultancy etc. Revocation case received March 2009

2147022A MAGIC EDGE, for hardware, stationery, clothing and amusements etc. revocation case received March 2009.

2147035A EDGE NET, for hardware, stationery, amusements etc. Revocation case received March 2009

2147040A GAMER’S EDGE, for hardware, stationery, clothing and amusements etc. Revocation case received March 2009

2540453 EDGE, for game software and related entertainment services. Applied March 2010, Opposed August 2010.

Edge RACERS (who?)

2520453 KILLER EDGE RACING. For computer game software. Never opposed. No idea who the company is.


Now, I have no idea who is opposing/revoking these things, but if nothing happens in the next 30 days or so I might be tempted to stick my oar in.

OP update might take a while, I have some work to do.
Last edited by phisheep; 10-12-2010 at 11:51 PM.
ArjanN
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Originally Posted by phisheep



becomes

What an asshole.
dream
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Phisheep is the greatest lawyer I've ever known.

And my sister and brother-in-law are lawyers.
ShallNoiseUpon
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Is there a decision to read? Would thoroughly enjoy that.
dream
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Originally Posted by ShallNoiseUpon

Is there a decision to read? Would thoroughly enjoy that.

Yeah, there's one in the other thread.

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal...614/228647/67/
ShallNoiseUpon
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Originally Posted by dream

Yeah, there's one in the other thread.

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal...614/228647/67/

That is the decision re: Langdell's request for an injunction against EA, no? OP reads, to me at least, that another, bigger decision regarding the entire case has been issued.
Htown
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(10-12-2010, 07:34 PM)
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Wait is it true that the movie THE EDGE with Alec Baldwin and Anthony Hopkins was "released by 20th Century Fox under license by EDGE" or is that something else he completely made up? I find it hard to imagine that Fox would put up with Langdell's nonsense when EA didn't.
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Originally Posted by Htown

Wait is it true that the movie THE EDGE with Alec Baldwin and Anthony Hopkins was "released by 20th Century Fox under license by EDGE" or is that something else he completely made up? I find it hard to imagine that Fox would put up with Langdell's nonsense when EA didn't.

I dunno, a movie's got a way higher budget than most games - "$50k to shut him up and we don't have to have any lengthy legal proceedings? Go for it!"
Fantastical
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(10-12-2010, 08:43 PM)
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Review of "Racers" on Amazon

Edge Games®, home of the Gamers Edge®, has long been my favourite games publisher. The Edge® led the way during gaming's golden era with standout titles such as the mind-bending Mazenture® and the captivating Activator®. Since then, the Masters Of The Game® have remained on the Cutting Edge® of game development with breakout genre busters like Mythora® (medieval AND futuristic? Can you beat that!?). Now, Edge® redefines modern gaming with this outstanding addition to the 700 strong Edge Games® catalogue: the cunningly titled Racers®.

Racers® promises much to the eager player: unlock more than a dozen space jets! Play in championship races worldwide on Internet servers! Multiple powerups! Numerous achievements! Strategies! It seems unlikely that any one game could possibly deliver on such outlandish promises, but, somehow, Racers® delivers on all fronts.

First, the visuals. From the sublime cover art through to the numerous and tastefully typeset trademarks that adorn the back of the case, Racers® is a real looker. The slick retro stylings of the numerous space jets and uncluttered interface leave imitators like Wipeout in the dust. Not since Mega Race has a futuristic racing game featured such compelling visual splendour.

The gameplay is equally compelling; so vivid is the sensation of speed I was on the verge of blacking out. Pressing various keys allows you to control your sleek craft and mastery of this skill is key to being a competitive member of the thriving online Racers® community.

The audio fits the action to a tee and will keep you on the edge® of your seat. Racers® sets new benchmarks for in game audio, delivering a sonic slug to the solar plexus of pale facsimiles such as Extreme-G and Sky Roads.

To sum up: I can't recommend this game highly enough. Edge® have produced an unqualified masterpiece that can confidently rub shoulders with the likes of Hi-Octane and Mach Rider, themselves outstanding examples of the genre. The fact that there is only a single copy remaining is testament to its quality. Live life on the edge®: grab it now!®

Probably old but still. :lol
MomoPufflet
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(10-12-2010, 08:51 PM)
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So is it actually true that 20th Century Fox licensed the "Edge" name for the 1997 film The Edge, or is that just total bullshit from Langdell?
-viper-
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(10-12-2010, 08:56 PM)
I haven't followed the subject at all what does this mean of Edge magazine. Is this magazine now defunct?
oracrest
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(10-12-2010, 09:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by -viper-

I haven't followed the subject at all what does this mean of Edge magazine. Is this magazine now defunct?

I believe they have just been paying him to use 'his' license. I'm not sure what happens now though, in terms of the finances.
Oxx
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(10-12-2010, 09:06 PM)
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I was flicking through an old issue of Edge magazine (March 2007) the other day and saw a reference to 'Patent Trolls' in the Continue/Quit section.

"Greedy, ugly and destined to waste everyone's time".
Jive Turkey
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(10-12-2010, 09:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by phisheep

EA's lawyers tried to, and got an error message, so told the judge.

:lol Awesome. I remember reading somewhere that someone was actually able to secure a copy of one of Edge's games (Mythora I think). If I remember correctly when they popped the disc in they found nothing but a bunch of copied files and an .exe that wouldn't execute.
phisheep
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(10-12-2010, 11:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by ShallNoiseUpon

That is the decision re: Langdell's request for an injunction against EA, no? OP reads, to me at least, that another, bigger decision regarding the entire case has been issued.

Yes, but it hasn't reached free-to-read sites yet. Besides, it isn't very interesting, as it just documents the settlement between the parties (Edge loses, no award of costs, trademarks to be cancelled).

Originally Posted by -viper-

I haven't followed the subject at all what does this mean of Edge magazine. Is this magazine now defunct?

No. There were some licensing shenanigans before the mag licences were assigned to Future Publishing in 2005. The mag is still going.

Originally Posted by MomoPufflet

So is it actually true that 20th Century Fox licensed the "Edge" name for the 1997 film The Edge, or is that just total bullshit from Langdell?

We don't have any visibility of what the deal was. It may just have been 'go away and shut up money'. I would be absolutely astonished if it was done under licence actually on purpose!

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

Awesome. I remember reading somewhere that someone was actually able to secure a copy of one of Edge's games (Mythora I think). If I remember correctly when they popped the disc in they found nothing but a bunch of copied files and an .exe that wouldn't execute.

You'l probably have read that on ChaosEdge - they've done all the heavy research on this case.
bishoptl
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(10-13-2010, 02:40 AM)
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Amazing work, phisheep - thank you.
Jonnyram
(10-13-2010, 02:53 AM)
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Is this line on the website new?
"Children are our future." EDGE TM donates 10% of its profits to charities and institutions for the benefit of children in need, at-risk children and sick children.
Dr Zhivago
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(10-13-2010, 02:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jonnyram

Is this line on the website new?
"Children are our future." EDGE TM donates 10% of its profits to charities and institutions for the benefit of children in need, at-risk children and sick children.

So nothing, then.
phisheep
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(10-13-2010, 02:32 PM)
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That line has been there a few months at least.

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