[Dominican Power]

I'm fucking done with animated Marvel shows.

[Grassclipper]

Damn it Loeb!

[Tizoc]

Looks like DC's reign on the animation throne will continue into the 2010's. Just insane that someone would take over a critically praised show in its second season and completely change the format. Ridiculous, really.

Uh didn't the last season of JLU become, for the most part stand-alone episodes?

[XiaNaphryz]

Damn it Loeb!

This. If it ain't broke...

>:(

[effingvic]

FUCK you must be kidding me

[the chris]

Uh didn't the last season of JLU become, for the most part stand-alone episodes?

The thing is though that the show writers didn't change(to my knowledge anyways, McDuffie was always always at the forefront.) From what I can gather from the interview I posted on the last page or so it doesn't seem like Christopher Yost is going to be involved in the new series. Hopefully I'm wrong though and Loeb doesn't apply "If it's not broke then let's fix it." philosophy to the show.

[Rafa=FedKilla]

The thing is though that the show writers didn't change(to my knowledge anyways, McDuffie was always always at the forefront.) From what I can gather from the interview I posted on the last page or so it doesn't seem like Christopher Yost is going to be involved in the new series. Hopefully I'm wrong though and Loeb doesn't apply "If it's not broke then let's fix it." philosophy to the show.

Yost is done brahs, I posted the info a month ago.

[DoctorWho]

Wow. I feel like I've just been skull-fucked.

Spectacular Spider-Man and now Avengers: EMH. Well, fuck that.

[Speedymanic]

That definitely sucks.

Question, have they moved forward with that guy who fell into the sea in the first season? Someone mentioned it was Bucky...

[Milabrega]

Not again.

[DonasaurusRex]

Dude... come ON. Let's not get carried away here. Marvel's made WAY worse. USM isn't nearly as bad you're demonizing it. I don't get how JUST because the show having stand alone plots make it awful. Okay, I get that Loeb has some poor, loathed writing under his belt IN COMICS and the idea of him WRITING TV shows is very undesirable. But why the hell are stand alone stories so bad, exactly? There have been lots of great episodes that are practically stand alone. Hell I LOVE the first two seasons of Justice League and those were stand alone stories. BTAS and STAS were also pretty much stand alone save for a couple of minor plot points and ground work. Brave and the Bold is stand alone too (aside from maybe the Starro story being gradually introduced) I mean hate Loeb all you want, I don't care. But associating him with stand alone stories and that being a BAD thing is really idiotic and terrible. Yeah, going from the great animation of USM's Iron Fist fighting Taskmaster, EMH's Iron Fist was really subpar. Where he just did a couple fancy punches and fancy dodges. Don't get me wrong, I'm talking SPECIFICALLY Animation-wise. I really much preferred EMH's Rand and Cage over USM as characters.

USM might have solid production value but its a dumb show, its clear marvel/disney is making shows for the kids, the next generation get em hooked now. The only problem with that is a lot of kids shows that endure are on a level beyond the target audience, so if its for teens its more adultm or about kids struggling thru becoming adults, for kids its more teen/young adult level material. Why? because kids wanna be like those that come before them. When i was 9 i wanted to be like the TEENAGE mutant ninja turtles, GI Joe, The thundercats, Transformers, Voltron Force, etc etc. Now these werent adult or even teenage shows but the characters WERE older than me and i loved it, i wanted to GROW UP and be like them in my 9 year old mind. Because on the shows though it was still Lionel vs Mumrah or Teenage Turtles vs Beebop and Rocksteady they developed the characters as kids that were growing up. Heck just look at the first TMNT movie, it was more like the ultra violent gritty comic than the child friendly cartoon, and we ate it up and is by far the best movie of the 2 *i refuse to acknowledge the 3rd*.

I dont mind ironfist and luke but this ep , the technovore ep, meh they were lame the other eps expanded on the story from the first season, and i really think this show can have a story arch format. worked for masters of evil, ultron, kang, scarlet witch and hawkeye(hail hydra), Gamma world, and the day unlike any other in the first season( and those are pretty much all the awesome eps in the first season ). If they want to have other characters they should be guest spots, like FF4 and doom but it moved along the kree skrull war story that has been simmering since the first season.

what happened to Yost? i thought he was behind the series now , everyone is talking about loeb did yost get the boot?

[Rafa=FedKilla]

USM might have solid production value but its a dumb show, its clear marvel/disney is making shows for the kids, the next generation get em hooked now. The only problem with that is a lot of kids shows that endure are on a level beyond the target audience, so if its for teens its more adultm or about kids struggling thru becoming adults, for kids its more teen/young adult level material. Why? because kids wanna be like those that come before them. When i was 9 i wanted to be like the TEENAGE mutant ninja turtles, GI Joe, The thundercats, Transformers, Voltron Force, etc etc. Now these werent adult or even teenage shows but the characters WERE older than me and i loved it, i wanted to GROW UP and be like them in my 9 year old mind. Because on the shows though it was still Lionel vs Mumrah or Teenage Turtles vs Beebop and Rocksteady they developed the characters as kids that were growing up. Heck just look at the first TMNT movie, it was more like the ultra violent gritty comic than the child friendly cartoon, and we ate it up and is by far the best movie of the 2 *i refuse to acknowledge the 3rd*. I dont mind ironfist and luke but this ep , the technovore ep, meh they were lame the other eps expanded on the story from the first season, and i really think this show can have a story arch format. worked for masters of evil, ultron, kang, scarlet witch and hawkeye(hail hydra), Gamma world, and the day unlike any other in the first season( and those are pretty much all the awesome eps in the first season ). If they want to have other characters they should be guest spots, like FF4 and doom but it moved along the kree skrull war story that has been simmering since the first season. what happened to Yost? i thought he was behind the series now , everyone is talking about loeb did yost get the boot?

He's done after 13 episodes, then loeb takes over

[Choppasmith]

what happened to Yost? i thought he was behind the series now , everyone is talking about loeb did yost get the boot?

He's done after 13 episodes, then loeb takes over

To clarify on this, Yost actually got promoted to work on Marvel films. He's not actually gone from Marvel.

[JokerOfSpades]

question, have you read ultimatum?

No. But I know it killed pretty much every character I loved.

[Parallax]

Oh wow. I just saw an EMH commercial, and you guys aren't kidding, they spoil a LOT of things coming in the season. What the hell were they thinking?

No. But I know it killed pretty much every character I loved.

in one way or another, yes, yes it did. but not just the killing, its the fashion in which they were killed.....honestly if i didnt know any better, i would have sworn that it was done by mark millar. but i dont think millar shits on properties that arent his.

[Razgriz-Specter]

Looks like DC's reign on the animation throne will continue into the 2010's. Just insane that someone would take over a critically praised show in its second season and completely change the format. Ridiculous, really.

Its kind of amazing how opposite they are, DC has animation on lockdown with Legion being the only failure.

[Parallax]

Its kind of amazing how opposite they are, DC has animation on lockdown with Legion being the only failure.

legion was very good storywise. personally i liked it much better than teen titans. and what about the batman?

[Choppasmith]

USM might have solid production value but its a dumb show, its clear marvel/disney is making shows for the kids, the next generation get em hooked now. The only problem with that is a lot of kids shows that endure are on a level beyond the target audience, so if its for teens its more adultm or about kids struggling thru becoming adults, for kids its more teen/young adult level material. Why? because kids wanna be like those that come before them. When i was 9 i wanted to be like the TEENAGE mutant ninja turtles, GI Joe, The thundercats, Transformers, Voltron Force, etc etc. Now these werent adult or even teenage shows but the characters WERE older than me and i loved it, i wanted to GROW UP and be like them in my 9 year old mind. Because on the shows though it was still Lionel vs Mumrah or Teenage Turtles vs Beebop and Rocksteady they developed the characters as kids that were growing up. Heck just look at the first TMNT movie, it was more like the ultra violent gritty comic than the child friendly cartoon, and we ate it up and is by far the best movie of the 2 *i refuse to acknowledge the 3rd*. I dont mind ironfist and luke but this ep , the technovore ep, meh they were lame the other eps expanded on the story from the first season, and i really think this show can have a story arch format. worked for masters of evil, ultron, kang, scarlet witch and hawkeye(hail hydra), Gamma world, and the day unlike any other in the first season( and those are pretty much all the awesome eps in the first season ). If they want to have other characters they should be guest spots, like FF4 and doom but it moved along the kree skrull war story that has been simmering since the first season. what happened to Yost? i thought he was behind the series now , everyone is talking about loeb did yost get the boot?

See, I think that's such a bizarre way of thinking. It seems to me, the USM haters think Super hero shows MUST BE serious action and that the only comedy should be in the occasional joke or one liner, but "silliness in MY Marvel cartoon? GTFO!" is the general attitude/viewpoint I just can't agree with.

I mean, in the other thread I likened USM to Disney's Emperor's New Groove in that it's just a fun entertaining piece that's not meant to be very serious. But apply the same idea, it's like seeing people hate ENG because it's such a huge step down from the grimdark Hunchback of Notre Dame.

I mean different tastes and all, but I wish people could see it as its own "genre" instead of hating it because it's not Spectacular/EMH/Young Justice/etc

[Razgriz-Specter]

legion was very good storywise. personally i liked it much better than teen titans. and what about the batman?

The Batman started slow but turned out not too bad lasted 5 seasons and did alot of merchandise.

[Rafa=FedKilla]

To clarify on this, Yost actually got promoted to work on Marvel films. He's not actually gone from Marvel.

I know he's still with Marvel brah, but they put him on dead end projects like Battle Scars and Scarlet Spider. With scarlet being good but replacing stegman with koi pham on art.


And people are hating USM because it is a terrible show. It has no flow, with faimily guy level humor, three to four wall breaking jokes every minute. It pisses on everything spiderman is.

[gundamkyoukai]

WTF man this show is awesome and they cancelled it and doing stand alone eps for the second half .
This news has me so fucking angry WTF again .

[Htown]

Jeph Loeb is a piece of shit.

FUCK that guy.

[Slayven]

I know he's still with Marvel brah, but they put him on dead end projects like Battle Scars and Scarlet Spider. With scarlet being good but replacing stegman with koi pham on art. And people are hating USM because it is a terrible show. It has no flow, with faimily guy level humor, three to four wall breaking jokes every minute. It pisses on everything spiderman is.

Seriously? It's very much in line with Spidey lighter moments and humor.

[Rafa=FedKilla]

Seriously? It's very much in line with Spidey lighter moments and humor.

I would say yes, I shudder thinking about this show in comic form.

[Parallax]

See, I think that's such a bizarre way of thinking. It seems to me, the USM haters think Super hero shows MUST BE serious action and that the only comedy should be in the occasional joke or one liner, but "silliness in MY Marvel cartoon? GTFO!" is the general attitude/viewpoint I just can't agree with. I mean, in the other thread I likened USM to Disney's Emperor's New Groove in that it's just a fun entertaining piece that's not meant to be very serious. But apply the same idea, it's like seeing people hate ENG because it's such a huge step down from the grimdark Hunchback of Notre Dame. I mean different tastes and all, but I wish people could see it as its own "genre" instead of hating it because it's not Spectacular/EMH/Young Justice/etc

good point. the marvel team up series was a fun romp throwback series, while not canon, was a lot of fun, and introduced quite a few good elements(like thor and storm... i still think that needs to happen) because its not taking itself serious shouldnt be a mark against it. but the character interactions should be the strong point. sadly, white tiger and sam have very little charisma, and since he seems to be paired with those two mostly, its really drags the series. this series has characters that are from ben 10 personality wise, and thats bad thing.....

The Batman started slow but turned out not too bad lasted 5 seasons and did alot of merchandise.

it seems like they tried to attempt to do a batman TAS and have a universe encompass around batman, and when that didnt work they decided to drop guest stars everywhere.

[Slayven]

good point. the marvel team up series was a fun romp throwback series, while not canon, was a lot of fun, and introduced quite a few good elements(like thor and storm... i still think that needs to happen) because its not taking itself serious shouldnt be a mark against it. but the character interactions should be the strong point. sadly, white tiger and sam have very little charisma, and since he seems to be paired with those two mostly, its really drags the series. this series has characters that are from ben 10 personality wise, and thats bad thing..... it seems like they tried to attempt to do a batman TAS and have a universe encompass around batman, and when that didnt work they decided to drop guest stars everywhere.

[Hot Coldman]

what

[Slayven]

what

Spiderman and Human Torch Miniseries. Very much in the USM tone, and it is awesome.

[Hot Coldman]

Spiderman and Human Torch Miniseries. Very much in the USM tone, and it is awesome.

Oh yeah, I figured that out, I just found the image of Spider-Man driving a Spider-Man themed car (already pretty daft outside of the pages of a children's toy catalogue) on the side of a wall whilst Johnny flies behind him to be hilariously absurd.

[Parallax]

what

oh man, you should seek out the marvel team up series.

[Choppasmith]

good point. the marvel team up series was a fun romp throwback series, while not canon, was a lot of fun, and introduced quite a few good elements(like thor and storm... i still think that needs to happen) because its not taking itself serious shouldnt be a mark against it. but the character interactions should be the strong point. sadly, white tiger and sam have very little charisma, and since he seems to be paired with those two mostly, its really drags the series. this series has characters that are from ben 10 personality wise, and thats bad thing.....

Absolutely, I'm not trying to say this show is a masterpiece by any means. The characters really are a big problem right now, the latest episode was a BIG step in the right direction and I really really hope it can continue to improve. I will say the character lineup seemed more focused on ethnic diversity then anything else (even Amazing Friends had more chemistry and variety between the three characters and their powers) which was a really boneheaded move. If it could follow the latest episode, be just a LITTLE more like Brave and the Bold and focus on Spidey with "recurring" team ups, it could really work.

[Slayven]

Oh yeah, I figured that out, I just found the image of Spider-Man driving a Spider-Man themed car (already pretty daft outside of the pages of a children's toy catalogue) on the side of a wall whilst Johnny flies behind him to be hilariously absurd.

You should see what he does with in the book, it involves space apes and getting back at JJJ.

[DonasaurusRex]

See, I think that's such a bizarre way of thinking. It seems to me, the USM haters think Super hero shows MUST BE serious action and that the only comedy should be in the occasional joke or one liner, but "silliness in MY Marvel cartoon? GTFO!" is the general attitude/viewpoint I just can't agree with. I mean, in the other thread I likened USM to Disney's Emperor's New Groove in that it's just a fun entertaining piece that's not meant to be very serious. But apply the same idea, it's like seeing people hate ENG because it's such a huge step down from the grimdark Hunchback of Notre Dame. I mean different tastes and all, but I wish people could see it as its own "genre" instead of hating it because it's not Spectacular/EMH/Young Justice/etc

thats fine, but for one, comedy is just an ASPECT of spiderman, while not using it as a defense mechanism he's a pretty serious and thoughtful teen, concerned about real troubles in his life. Mary Jane was from an abusive home, the bullying wasnt funny at the hands of flash tompson, peter was always broke, and wanted time for himself but never had it.

They dont have to be serious, the TMNT weren't serious, but they were clearly older than most of the fans of the show and developed. Leonardo had to learn how to earn respect and lead, donnatello how to use his gifts for the benefits of others with confidence, Michaelangelo how to take things seriously even though he was a natural, Raphael his anger and short temper. In between all that it was a goofy , fun show set in an action/comedic world. Its the same for a lot of shows my fav example is GTO, A comedy, but the characters developed and grew up within that comedy/drama setting.

USM seems like, enter villan, action scenes, comedy cut scenes, rinse and repeat. Even in the 90's show bad animation/color and all, peter narrated his feelings so that the audience could cleary see ok he's learning to handle business , he's learning to consider others to put others before himself, he's learning how to make hard choices, how to do things for others without wondering how it benefits or affects him, how to learn from his mistakes etc etc.

without that its not spiderman really, its what ive seen in USM, villain of the week, insert Coulson from the movies, Fury from the ultimates, Jonah screaming, variant costumes and gear from various crossovers and comedic cutscenes....way too many of them.

the result is not interesting, if they were funny like say futurama...ok you got something there its a comedy show at heart using that aspect of the character to tell the story but they arent that funny.

shows a 5 at best right now.

[Cth]

Cancelled would be not getting the rest of the episodes.

They just didn't order more episodes.

Sure, semantics, but it's a no brainer, as someone pointed out Transformer fans have dealt with this for years now.

I really don't get the Loeb hate.

[Rafa=FedKilla]

Cancelled would be not getting the rest of the episodes. They just didn't order more episodes. Sure, semantics, but it's a no brainer, as someone pointed out Transformer fans have dealt with this for years now. I really don't get the Loeb hate.

You will learn very soon brah.

[Nesotenso]

New Episode Sunday



The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
May 6th, 2012 at 11:30am - 12:00pm (ET/PT) - "#32 Michael Korvac"
The Avengers attempt to protect a mysterious man named Korvac from strange aliens that pursue him, but they soon realize that these aliens are the heroic Guardians of the Galaxy and that it is not Korvac who needs protection, but the Earth itself. , in a new episode of The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.


Clip 1

[jobber]

So I was reading the upcoming episode list on my dvr and next week's episode should be...GREAT

[jobber]

it's time

get hype

[DoctorWho]

This is going to be a really odd episode to watch after seeing the film.

[DoctorWho]

Cancelled would be not getting the rest of the episodes. They just didn't order more episodes. Sure, semantics, but it's a no brainer, as someone pointed out Transformer fans have dealt with this for years now. I really don't get the Loeb hate.

This is true.

Isn't it getting 52 episodes in total? Not too bad for an animated series. Would have liked at least one more season though.

[Speedymanic]

So, erm, am I the only one getting frustrated by the lack of advancement to the skrull story? The Ant-man episode served what purpose, exactly? Is that guy suddenly going to join the avengers as AM or what? And what's going with the Thor/Surtur story? If the last half of the season is going to be standalone episodes, shouldn't they hurry the hell up and resolve these stories before we're left with crappy filler?

[jobber]

Goku????????

So, erm, am I the only one getting frustrated by the lack of advancement to the skrull story? The Ant-man episode served what purpose, exactly? Is that guy suddenly going to join the avengers as AM or what? And what's going with the Thor/Surtur story? If the last half of the season is going to be standalone episodes, shouldn't they hurry the hell up and resolve these stories before we're left with crappy filler?

next week answers a lot of questions

[Khezu]

Starlord sounded a lot like Master chief.

Awesome episode.

[Gartooth]

Wow I hated today's episode. The plot was incredibly simple and predictable, it spent way too much time on Korvac than it needed too, and it was spread too thin among the various characters. At first the episode looks like it focuses on Wasp, then switches to the Guardians of the Galaxy, then to Ms. Marvel.

This is easily one of the worst episodes of the season so far for me, I was expecting a lot more from this due to the appearance of the Guardians of the Galaxy who really should have gotten a lot more screen time than they did. (Also I hate the amount of ads that runs on Disney XD, I might as well record episodes from now on to skip all the ads)

With only 7 good episodes left from this show before it goes to Loeb, it better pick up steam to resolve all the plot points such as the Kree/Skrull war and Surtur.

[Speedymanic]

Goku???????? next week answers a lot of questions

I hope so. We're on borrowed time and I'd hate for either skrull/surtur storyline to be left unresolved.

[Tizoc]

New Episode Sunday The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes May 6th, 2012 at 11:30am - 12:00pm (ET/PT) - "#32 Michael Korvac" The Avengers attempt to protect a mysterious man named Korvac from strange aliens that pursue him, but they soon realize that these aliens are the heroic Guardians of the Galaxy and that it is not Korvac who needs protection, but the Earth itself. , in a new episode of The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Clip 1

Thank goodness I didn't check this thread til I finished watching the ep.
I knew they were gonna appear but I didn't expect them in this ep.
My reaction to the team showing up was pretty much:
HOLY
FUCKING
YES!

OK ep., but I do hope we get to see the Guardians again in the War.

[jobber]

I hope so. We're on borrowed time and I'd hate for either skrull/surtur storyline to be left unresolved.

Actually the next 2 weeks should clear both of those stories up

Which means we could get 2 months of filler/fan service episodes like yesterday's ep.

[Hot Coldman]

I liked yesterday's episode. Nice way to introduce the Guardians, although I wanted more Rocket Raccoon. Definitely filler, though filler like that is fine by me.

We need to see the Kree/Skrull and Surtur stuff soon, though.

[abundant]

We need to see the Kree/Skrull and Surtur stuff soon, though.

The next two episodes are about these two issues.

[Slayven]

I was happy to see Phylla, but disappointed at how it was paced.