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Dennis
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(10-21-2010, 09:52 PM)
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The Radeon 6850 offers plenty of performance for today's games. We feel it's sweet spot gaming wise is for gamers with a monitor up-to roughly 1600x1200, even 1920x1200. At that resolution pretty much any game will play excellent with good options in image quality settings like AA.

The Radeon HD 6870 is as far as I am concerned, definitely the more interesting card. It does have a handful more shader processors over what we expected initially, and armed with a phat 900 MHz clock frequency this product simply makes really good sense. It will bring a lot of value to the table but will also allow you to play your games at 1920x1200 extremely well. From a price point of view that makes this product really nice. AMD needed two GeForce GTX 460 cards of their own ... and these are it. Bare in mind though, coming from an R5870 you'd be taking a small perf step down.

Time to wrap things up, the Radeon 6800 series naming wise still feels a little weird, as we all expected it to be named the 6700 series. Regardless of that, the two product launched today fit really well into the upper mid-range segment of the graphics industry. Priced right these two cards can be really interesting for the PC aficionados that like to play games on their PC without spending truckloads of money. And it is exactly that last sentiment that makes ATI AMD so very successful lately.

Now if you own a Radeon HD 5850 or something more spicy, then there's no need to upgrade just yet; unless watching 3D movies is a big thing for you. But if you come from the Radeon HD 3000/4000 series, well ... that's where this DX11 class products start to really make sense. But scouts honor, the two cards tested today run beautifully, seem faster than the reference GTX 460 cards and can even match the GTX 470. The cards neither are noisy or running hot and the overall game performance really is spot on.

Prices then, the R6850 will cost you roughly 189 USD/ 159 EUR and thus is targeted at the slightly cheaper priced GeForce GTX 460 768MB.

For 249 USD / 209 EUR the R6870 is positioned against the GeForce GTX 460 with 1024MB graphics memory, now the R6870 is faster, however NVIDIA will pull their trump card, the GeForce GTX 470 and lower its price on that product, significantly I must add.

As of today you can spot these price-cuts, NVIDIA confirmed that the GeForce GTX 460 1024MB will now cost US $199 / 169 EUR including VAT and the GeForce GTX 470 is to cost US $259 = 219 EUR including VAT, pricing it very close to the Radeon HD 6870, and these two cards are close to each other performance wise alright. So yeah, that will be your baseline and benchmark to judge from right there and here on.

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nubbe
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(10-21-2010, 09:53 PM)
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Found this too
http://www.zi0x.net/6800/
Dreams-Visions
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(10-21-2010, 09:54 PM)
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powerful and efficient. MSRP?
SolsticeZero
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(10-21-2010, 09:54 PM)
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Pretty impressive. What's the price point on these guys again?
darthbob
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(10-21-2010, 09:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dreams-Visions

powerful and efficient. MSRP?

$200, $250, respectively.

I've already seen drops on the GTX 460, 470 too. $199, $260.
TrAcEr_x90
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(10-21-2010, 09:55 PM)
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man, ATI is on top of their game this year!
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(10-21-2010, 09:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by darthbob

$200, $250, respectively.

I've already seen drops on the GTX 460, 470 too. $199, $260.

nice deals all around
nubbe
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(10-21-2010, 09:58 PM)
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Look like Crysis should run pretty stead at 60 FPS on crossfire... TEMPTING TO UPGRADE
JADS
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(10-21-2010, 10:00 PM)
No word on the MLAA implementation yet? :(
Dreams-Visions
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(10-21-2010, 10:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by darthbob

$200, $250, respectively.

I've already seen drops on the GTX 460, 470 too. $199, $260.

looks like I'll be staying with ATI. more powerful, uses less gas, uses less of my wallet.

cheers.

edit: shit, "AMD".
SolsticeZero
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(10-21-2010, 10:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by TrAcEr_x90

man, AMD is on top of their game this year!

fixed

=(
Lonely1
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(10-21-2010, 10:00 PM)
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Is retarded that the 6870 isn't an upgrade from the 5870, though.
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Dreams-Visions
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(10-21-2010, 10:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lonely1

Is retarded that the 6870 isn't an upgrade from the 5970, though.

5970 = $$$$$$$

6870 = $$$

bad naming conventions, i agree.
darthbob
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(10-21-2010, 10:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lonely1

Is retarded that the 6870 isn't an upgrade from the 5970, though.

No. The 68xx series is AMD's mid range product this cycle. 69xx is their high end 'flagship'.
dLMN8R
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(10-21-2010, 10:02 PM)
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So the 6850 beats out the 460 1GB....awesome!!
Antiochus
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(10-21-2010, 10:02 PM)
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Excellent. Congrats on this find.

Is it possible if this can be merged to the 6000 thread instead?


Thanks
SolsticeZero
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(10-21-2010, 10:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lonely1

Is retarded that the 6870 isn't an upgrade from the 5970, though.

The 5970 is an x2 if I believe, so it's 2 cards in one
Lonely1
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(10-21-2010, 10:04 PM)
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Sorry, i meant "Is retarded that the 6870 isn't an upgrade from the 5870, though."
darthbob
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(10-21-2010, 10:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by dLMN8R

So the 6850 beats out the 460 1GB....awesome!!

And it's the same price, apparently. $200 6850 > $199 GTX460 1GB

:lol

WHY SO TOLD NVIDA?!
JADS
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(10-21-2010, 10:06 PM)
The entire review in a zip file. Source
2n2
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(10-21-2010, 10:07 PM)
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Hm, I have a 4870. Not shown, but probably like a significant upgrade I guess. I'm out of what's happening right now.
stuminus3
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(10-21-2010, 10:08 PM)
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I'd have expected more of a leg up on the HD5770 but that's probably AMD's weird ass numbering playing funky tricks on my mind.
Zachack
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(10-21-2010, 10:08 PM)
I can't see all the images but would I be incorrect if I viewed the 6850 as a big step up from a 4850 (512MB) with lower power needs/heat issues?
I should be doing hw
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(10-21-2010, 10:08 PM)
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When will the 69xx be benchmarked? Are they releasing the same time as the 68xx?
Really contemplating snagging the 5970 equivalent, thing will be a beast.
Dreams-Visions
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(10-21-2010, 10:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by 2&amp

Hm, I have a 4870. Not shown, but probably like a significant upgrade I guess. I'm out of what's happening right now.

if you like running at max resolution and max effects with high framerates, it's a significant upgrade. if you're apathetic towards those things, not so much.
JADS
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(10-21-2010, 10:11 PM)

Originally Posted by I should be doing hw

When will the 69xx be benchmarked? Are they releasing the same time as the 68xx?
Really contemplating snagging the 5970 equivalent, thing will be a beast.

Next month is the launch for Cayman (69xx series)
John Rabbit
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(10-21-2010, 10:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by darthbob

$200, $250, respectively.

I've already seen drops on the GTX 460, 470 too. $199, $260.

oh WORD?

i have been needing a new videocard for quite some time....
Dennis
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(10-21-2010, 10:11 PM)
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The Radeon 6850 offers plenty of performance for today's games. We feel it's sweet spot gaming wise is for gamers with a monitor up-to roughly 1600x1200, even 1920x1200. At that resolution pretty much any game will play excellent with good options in image quality settings like AA.

The Radeon HD 6870 is as far as I am concerned, definitely the more interesting card. It does have a handful more shader processors over what we expected initially, and armed with a phat 900 MHz clock frequency this product simply makes really good sense. It will bring a lot of value to the table but will also allow you to play your games at 1920x1200 extremely well. From a price point of view that makes this product really nice. AMD needed two GeForce GTX 460 cards of their own ... and these are it. Bare in mind though, coming from an R5870 you'd be taking a small perf step down.

Time to wrap things up, the Radeon 6800 series naming wise still feels a little weird, as we all expected it to be named the 6700 series. Regardless of that, the two product launched today fit really well into the upper mid-range segment of the graphics industry. Priced right these two cards can be really interesting for the PC aficionados that like to play games on their PC without spending truckloads of money. And it is exactly that last sentiment that makes ATI AMD so very successful lately.

Now if you own a Radeon HD 5850 or something more spicy, then there's no need to upgrade just yet; unless watching 3D movies is a big thing for you. But if you come from the Radeon HD 3000/4000 series, well ... that's where this DX11 class products start to really make sense. But scouts honor, the two cards tested today run beautifully, seem faster than the reference GTX 460 cards and can even match the GTX 470. The cards neither are noisy or running hot and the overall game performance really is spot on.

Prices then, the R6850 will cost you roughly 189 USD/ 159 EUR and thus is targeted at the slightly cheaper priced GeForce GTX 460 768MB.

For 249 USD / 209 EUR the R6870 is positioned against the GeForce GTX 460 with 1024MB graphics memory, now the R6870 is faster, however NVIDIA will pull their trump card, the GeForce GTX 470 and lower its price on that product, significantly I must add.

As of today you can spot these price-cuts, NVIDIA confirmed that the GeForce GTX 460 1024MB will now cost US $199 / 169 EUR including VAT and the GeForce GTX 470 is to cost US $259 = 219 EUR including VAT, pricing it very close to the Radeon HD 6870, and these two cards are close to each other performance wise alright. So yeah, that will be your baseline and benchmark to judge from right there and here on.

Conclusion
golem
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(10-21-2010, 10:13 PM)
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When will the 5970 replacement drop
MikeE21286
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(10-21-2010, 10:13 PM)
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Seeing the 6850 benchmarks vs. the 460 1GB doesn't make me feel bad at all.
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(10-21-2010, 10:22 PM)
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The GTX 460 is something like $70 cheaper then the HD6850 in the UK. That's quite a gap.
undu
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(10-21-2010, 10:23 PM)
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Prices going down: awesome news for everyone!
godhandiscen
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(10-21-2010, 10:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by cyberheater

The GTX 460 is something like $70 cheaper then the HD6850 in the UK. That's quite a gap.

That's just the early adopter premium. It will take bit before the MSRPs take into effect.
Jin34
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(10-21-2010, 10:33 PM)
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Wow the 6870 > 470. Didn't see that coming. And it does it with a much, much lower power draw and heat output. I thought these cards were just coming out to take out the 460 but the 6870 has taken out the 470 as well.

Originally Posted by cyberheater

The GTX 460 is something like $70 cheaper then the HD6850 in the UK. That's quite a gap.

I don't think they are even supposed to be sold until tomorrow, but as always some vendors can't resist that early adopter tax.
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(10-21-2010, 10:37 PM)
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Impressive efficiency. 6870 still doesn't beat a 5870, but it's awful close, and price vs. performance is certainly much improved.
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(10-21-2010, 10:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jin34

I don't think they are even supposed to be sold until tomorrow, but as always some vendors can't resist that early adopter tax.

Well I guess you're order can go in but you can't collect until tomorrow.

It's great that we're finally got cheapish cards with great performance. I picked up a GTX460 for 119 a couple of weeks ago and couldn't be more pleased.
big black woman
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(10-21-2010, 10:46 PM)
i have a hard time believing a 5770 and a 5870 have a one Dba difference.
Ceebs
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(10-21-2010, 10:48 PM)
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I can't wait to see the 69XX series cards. One of those may be the right fit to replace this aging 4870 for me.
Toki767
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(10-21-2010, 10:51 PM)
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So for a 19" 1440x900 resolution monitor, is it safe to go for the 6850 and still be able to pretty much play any game on max or should I just go for he 6870?
Gully State
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(10-21-2010, 10:56 PM)
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Any news on MLAA implimentation? Is it going to be a 6XXX only feature?
Commanche Raisin Toast
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(10-21-2010, 10:59 PM)
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awesome they're already out! now i just need to find something that meets the following criteria:

-significantly more powerful than a 4870 1gb
-cool and quiet
-DX11 capable
-less than $300

to be cool/quiet i'm probably going to have to get a 5000 series. the first run of cards with new chips are always hot and loud until they can tweak and improve. my 4870 was a gift from a friend that didn't want it anymore after a few months of use, but it's VERY loud and it's a hot running dual-slotter.
Danne-Danger
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(10-21-2010, 11:00 PM)
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Hmm, how much power does a 275 draw?
Technosteve
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(10-21-2010, 11:07 PM)
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that's cool 200 dollar DX11 card from AMD, i'll wait for the 7xxx series my 4890 still good enough for 1080P gaming :lol :lol :lol
Shambles
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(10-21-2010, 11:09 PM)
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So are these results from benchmarks or from actual gameplay? I get the feeling we can just throw all these results out the window.
THE:MILKMAN
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(10-21-2010, 11:09 PM)
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Anyone know the length/height of the 6850? Needs to fit in a Antec NSK2480 HTPC case.
burgerdog
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(10-21-2010, 11:15 PM)
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Going to get a 6870!
Fredescu
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(10-21-2010, 11:18 PM)
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6870 beats the GTX470 using much less power and at a potentially cheaper price? Not bad. Still more interested in the 6970.

Originally Posted by Shambles

So are these results from benchmarks or from actual gameplay? I get the feeling we can just throw all these results out the window.

These are the Guru3D results before they got pulled aren't they? Should be reasonably reliable if so.
Tiduz
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(10-21-2010, 11:30 PM)
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so glad i waited an extra year, will go for 6870, sweet spot price and performance wise for me. at a 4850 atm so will be a big jump
Jin34
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(10-21-2010, 11:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by THE:MILKMAN

Anyone know the length/height of the 6850? Needs to fit in a Antec NSK2480 HTPC case.

9 inch length I believe, 10.5 for the 6870, don't know about the height though.
scarybore
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(10-21-2010, 11:38 PM)
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My 8800gt is failing and needs to be replaced and I wouldn't have to fiddle with PSU wires if I went for a 6850 instead of a GTX 460 so that is pretty enticing to me. My only worry is I've always used Nvidia cards in my PCs and I'm not used to ATI/AMDs drivers which don't always receive the best of plaudits.

The GTX 460 is something like $70 cheaper then the HD6850 in the UK. That's quite a gap.

6850 is cheaper on ebuyer unless I'm missing something obvious.

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