Zoe
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demigod said:Publishers want money. If they have a big team they sure as hell aren't going to want to make a $1 profit on games.
Big teams aren't the ones making $1 games.
demigod said:Publishers want money. If they have a big team they sure as hell aren't going to want to make a $1 profit on games.
Funny thing is, Ive already seen a bunch of 5 year olds with iPod Touch's...its ridiculous...Mush said:I know I've asked this question before, but do you really see 10 year olds working around playing games on cellphones and iPods in the US? The image of that seems ridiculous.
Lonely1 said:But Pachter is talking about the iTouch.
jrricky said:Funny thing is, Ive already seen a bunch of 5 year olds with iPod Touch's...its ridiculous...
You said you don't want to carry an additional device to your phone. Well, the iTouch isn't a cellphone.Zoe said:Not much difference in the long run between the iTouch/iPhone. And the quote I was replying to included Android.
To Far Away Times said:The iPod is as big a threat to handhelds as web based flash games are to consoles.
To Far Away Times said:The iPod is as big a threat to handhelds as web based flash games are to consoles.
Zoe said:Big teams aren't the ones making $1 games.
Considering that handheld gaming is skewed more towards the younger generations who consider the "wow" factor of games and peer purchases to be probably a much greater priority than convergence and convenience, they might not be as much of a factor. I would like to see more analysis on that, like cell phone usage, music collection size, movie collection size, web browsing time, and video game session play time for those demographics compared to the older generations.Dreams-Visions said:I agree in principle, but you miss a large part of the point here: what gaming on iDevices and Android do is help scratch the itch of mobile gaming for a lot of people. no, iOS and Android can't match a PSP2 feature-for-feature, but they have *enough* features to make people content enough with them to not necessarily seek out a dedicated mobile platform.
THAT is the problem. iOS and Android make people a little less interested in a dedicated platform. that should put the fear of God into Sony.
I too would like to see more research.rpmurphy said:Considering that handheld gaming is skewed more towards the younger generations who consider the "wow" factor of games and peer purchases to be probably a much greater priority than convergence and convenience, they might not be as much of a factor. I would like to see more analysis on that, like cell phone usage, music collection size, movie collection size, web browsing time, and video game session play time for those demographics.
Yes, I have. Actually, I've only seen one person ever play a PSP out in a public, and they were an adult.Mush said:I know I've asked this question before, but do you really see 10 year olds working around playing games on cellphones and iPods in the US? The image of that seems ridiculous.
demigod said:And exactly why those games aren't aimed at gamers, ya know, the people that buys handhelds.
To Far Away Times said:The iPod is as big a threat to handhelds as web based flash games are to consoles.
But that doesn't mean that the traditional handhelds are going away. The same way that Farmville will not kill Starcraft.Zoe said:So? He's saying that there's a better market for those games than for traditional handheld games. Which is probably true which makes what he's saying relevant to publishers and investors.
seady said:It's really sickening to see these people keep on thinking the iPod Touch is the ONLY future of handheld gaming.
I am sure it will be a part of it, but having only a touch screen and a market that mostly support free to 2 dollars micro games, it will not be in the same market as the 3DS or PSP.
We will not ever see a true Kingdom Hearts or Metal Gear Solid game on the iPod Touch. Not only because App Store audience will not support full $30-40 games...
The App Store open market is an interesting one. You could argue it to be very innovative and different to our standard retail model, but there is also a huge down side to it (that people like Pachter always love to ignore).
Proc said:I don't think Sony can sell it based on hardware alone, especially if it is at the same price point as the ipod touch.
I think they are going to have to come out with an awesome launch-window lineup in order for it to gather any momentum in the handheld space.
Personally, as an owner of a launch-day psp, I have no idea what it would take for me to buy one.
Right, but I think it's also probably safe to say that mobile gaming has expanded the realm of portable gaming, to become readily available for older demographics who might as well have given up portable gaming time if the technology were as limited as in the past to satisfy their needs. How much real shift there is to mobile gaming from traditional handheld gaming? That's where the research comes into use.Dreams-Visions said:I too would like to see more research.
But at minimum, I'd be concerned. For those who aren't hardcore mobile game players but do like playing from time to time...some % of them will no longer buy a portable game console because their smartphones can scratch the proverbial itch. how many people does that group make up? I've no idea.
Lonely1 said:But that doesn't mean that the traditional handhelds are going away. The same way that Farmville will not kill Starcraft.
bhlaab said:A select few small, independent developers making modest money on smaller projects while the big studios make millions of dollars on the same old shit year after year while losing those millions because of terrible organizational issues
Dreams-Visions said:I agree in principle, but you miss a large part of the point here: what gaming on iDevices and Android do is help scratch the itch of mobile gaming for a lot of people. no, iOS and Android can't match a PSP2 feature-for-feature, but they have *enough* features to make people content enough with them to not necessarily seek out a dedicated mobile platform.
THAT is the problem. iOS and Android make people a little less interested in a dedicated platform. that should put the fear of God into Sony.
Zoe said:So? He's saying that there's a better market for those games than for traditional handheld games. Which is probably true which makes what he's saying relevant to publishers and investors.
Oh fuck suddenly I understand why people like Monster Hunter Portable so much. I just got it.Proc said:I know what would make me buy it.
Portable diablo 3.
I think the big woody of the iPod Touch is cutting into the handheld market
jman2050 said:ftfy
scoobs said:if you have a smart phone what is the point of them? You can play better games on them yes but when do u have time to play those games all the way through? Most handheld games I play are like angrybirds.. and i play for about 5 minutes.
Funny, that's what they said six years ago as well...Kuran said:Saturation on the handheld market? Is he fucking kidding?
Besides 3DS there is nothing else but CELLPHONES coming out next year. PSP2 will be a dedicated gaming handheld, setting itself apart by delivering REAL CONTROLS and (most likely) a substantial graphics boost over 3DS.
demigod said:They are a better market because the games are dirt cheap, hence my $1 profit comment I made. Do you honestly think they're going to release $1 games that require bigger budget, bigger teams? Nope they won't.
duckroll said:Why would he have an interest in "gamers" when his job is a financial analyst?
zlatko said:If Sony can't succeed on a PSP2 when you have to do so LITTLE to have a winner, then they are screwed.
The latest, biggest, baddest iOS High budget games from some of the best studios, specially in the tech department... are $2 and $6 30 minute-long games. I understand the the modern young adult might prefer those to play during their limited free time at work. But what about the other parts of the market? Kids that want to play his Pokemans while their dad is watching the Dallas Cowboys; young adults like myself that want to play something more meaningful during the day; Teenagers that might enjoy WLAN sessions of MH. And lest no underestimate system loyalist that just need to play every Mario and God of War title out there.demigod said:They are a better market because the games are dirt cheap, hence my $1 profit comment I made. Do you honestly think they're going to release $1 games that require bigger budget, bigger teams? Nope they won't.
Correction. That's not where the growth is anymore. The stars of yesteryear become the cash cows of today (i.e. those big bucks are still there - they're just not getting any bigger). Just be prepared to shoot the dogs when you need to.Zoe said:I never said they were going away--on the previous page I said they had their own market. But it's not where the big bucks are anymore.
rainking187 said:Considering how often he's wrong I'm not worried about the PSP2 at all.