[The Faceless Master]

i don't get why people keep bringing up PSP

i mean, PSP console and game sales have been pretty good in Japan despite all the piracy.

mainly because THEY MAKE PSP GAMES PEOPLE IN JAPAN WANT TO PLAY ON A PSP.

that's the real key.

make games people want to play.

[jigglywiggly]

make games people want to play.

Isn't that true of every pirated copy?

[Mailenstein]

It's probably the debug OFW which I believe can be made by a simple edit to an XML file in the normal OFW, so it's not really CFW.

It's a MFW at best - modified firmware.

i don't get why people keep bringing up PSP i mean, PSP console and game sales have been pretty good in Japan despite all the piracy. mainly because THEY MAKE PSP GAMES PEOPLE IN JAPAN WANT TO PLAY ON A PSP. that's the real key. make games people want to play.

This x 1000000000000.

People bringing up the PSP really have no clue.

[Bojanglez]

I hope this brings fully featured Linux distros to the PS3 with full graphic card control. A hardcore of gamers with easy access to Linux on standard hardware might persuade valve to finally support Linux :lol .

[Fafalada]

i mean, PSP console and game sales have been pretty good in Japan despite all the piracy. mainly because THEY MAKE PSP GAMES PEOPLE IN JAPAN WANT TO PLAY ON A PSP.

And yet, outside of Japan, software collapsed around Asia for both PSP and NDS once easy exploits were widely available (both were doing fine before that - actually NDS better then fine). It obviously wasn't the case of people suddenly hating the games either.

[darkwing]

And yet, outside of Japan, software collapsed around Asia for both PSP and NDS once easy exploits were widely available (both were doing fine before that - actually NDS better then fine). It obviously wasn't the case of people suddenly hating the games either.

tell me about it, most people here in my country don't even know what a UMD looks like :lol

[The Faceless Master]

And yet, outside of Japan, software collapsed around Asia for both PSP and NDS once easy exploits were widely available (both were doing fine before that - actually NDS better then fine). It obviously wasn't the case of people suddenly hating the games either.

got sales numbers for those countries?

[TheSeks]

only time will tell if this affects the PS3 like it did with the PSP, but its going to be awfully hard not to run that trophy unlocking app :lol so easy as copying a file into your USB stick

Wait, what? What trophy unlocking app? o_O

If you mean "get your platinum" last I checked that's random timestamps to prevent Sony banning and even then it's not the best and it was only for jailbreaked PS3s.

[JudgeN]

i don't get why people keep bringing up PSP i mean, PSP console and game sales have been pretty good in Japan despite all the piracy. mainly because THEY MAKE PSP GAMES PEOPLE IN JAPAN WANT TO PLAY ON A PSP. that's the real key. make games people want to play.

So the games they are making for the PSP just aren't "What people want to play in America?" You must be kidding their are ton of quality PSP titles. And I'm sure people are playing those titles now whether or not they are paying for them is a different story.

Please tell us, what is it that people want to play on their PSP in America that aren't already being made?

[iapetus]

only time will tell if this affects the PS3 like it did with the PSP, but its going to be awfully hard not to run that trophy unlocking app :lol so easy as copying a file into your USB stick

Um. Why?

Trophies serve two purposes. Firstly, they're an electronic dick-waving exercise, which becomes completely pointless when everyone knows they can be faked. And secondly they're a way of adding challenge and life to games for your own entertainment, which you don't get through this app.

[The Faceless Master]

So the games they are making for the PSP just aren't "What people want to play in America?" You must be kidding their are ton of quality PSP titles. And I'm sure people are playing those titles now whether or not they are paying for them is a different story.

there are a ton of quality games for many consoles that don't sell, just like quality movies that don't get watched or quality music that doesn't get heard. why? people didn't want it. you can make the best steak dinner ever and a vegan will be like "meh, it's not what i want".

[darkwing]

Wait, what? What trophy unlocking app? o_O If you mean "get your platinum" last I checked that's random timestamps to prevent Sony banning and even then it's not the best and it was only for jailbreaked PS3s.

yeah but with the new packager you don't need a jb PS3

[Brashnir]

So the games they are making for the PSP just aren't "What people want to play in America?" You must be kidding their are ton of quality PSP titles. And I'm sure people are playing those titles now whether or not they are paying for them is a different story.

DS is hacked and has tons of pirated software available. People in America buy shitloads of DS games.
360 is hacked and has tons of pirated software available. People in America buy shitloads of 360 games.
Wii is hacked and has tons of pirated software available. People in America buy shitloads of Wii games.

The PSP library is the problem. I own a PSP and haven't bought (or pirated, thank you very much) a PSP game in years.

[JudgeN]

there are a ton of quality games for many consoles that don't sell, just like quality movies that don't get watched or quality music that doesn't get heard. why? people didn't want it. you can make the best steak dinner ever and a vegan will be like "meh, it's not what i want".

When pretty much ALL the quality is not really sell you can't just say "well they don't like anything ?" Its something else wouldn't you think?

Either way what is it that American people want to play that the PSP isn't offering?

[TheSeks]

yeah but with the new packager you don't need a jb PS3

And...?

Did they make it able to run on the PS3 and not have bogus 2099 or something like that years? Honestly, the trophies being hacked just make them as pointless as the achievements on the 360. Do or do not get them legit, it doesn't really matter.

IIRC, it doesn't work on "signed" gamesaves as well?

[The Faceless Master]

When pretty much ALL the quality is not really sell you can't just say "well they don't like anything ?" Its something else wouldn't you think? Either way what is it that American people want to play that the PSP isn't offering?

the stuff that's actually selling.

[KAL2006]

geohot just posted the 3.55 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkLSXsCKDkg

Is this on official firmware, also is it as easy as downloading file and put it in USB, launching file from USB on the PS3. If this is the case this will be the most easiest hack in console history. I am sure someone will make an ISOloader when this is released.

[JudgeN]

the stuff that's actually selling.

You seem to be dodging the question, whats is"The stuff that's sell?" in America. And what is "A game people want to play" that isn't already being made or already released on the PSP.

The PSP library is the problem. I own a PSP and haven't bought (or pirated, thank you very much) a PSP game in years.

Well do you own every console under the sun? I own every console so portables do take the back the seat when it comes to my purchases. If a person owns alot of gaming devices I can understand that some have to take the backseat. Of course I still end up buying at least 2-3 day 1 PSP games a year and a ton when the price collapses. Sorry but I have one hell of a time believing that there is nothing people want to buy on the PSP.

[3rdman]

DS is hacked and has tons of pirated software available. People in America buy shitloads of DS games. 360 is hacked and has tons of pirated software available. People in America buy shitloads of 360 games. Wii is hacked and has tons of pirated software available. People in America buy shitloads of Wii games. The PSP library is the problem. I own a PSP and haven't bought (or pirated, thank you very much) a PSP game in years.

From a non-owning PSP person, I can tell you that the reason why I've never bought one is just that...I know of no games worth owning.

Of course that is not to say that there isn't but I don't know of them...Commercials for them seem to surround around the hardware and how "cool" it is to own one and now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever seen a PSP game commercial...Hmmm...

[3rdman]

Is this on official firmware, also is it as easy as downloading file and put it in USB, launching file from USB on the PS3. If this is the case this will be the most easiest hack in console history. I am sure someone will make an ISOloader when this is released.

From the video, it seems that he is running some kind of modified firmware that introduces an "Install Package File" ability...At the very least, we will still have to flash to that firmware before we can install anything.

Still, this is about as seamless as you can get.

[CadetMahoney]

Firstly, they're an electronic dick-waving exercise, which becomes completely pointless when everyone knows they can be faked.

This.

Honestly, the trophies being hacked just make them as pointless as the achievements on the 360.

Achievements are hacked too?

[Zezboob]

Sorry but I have one hell of a time believing that there is nothing people want to buy on the PSP.

Or they just prefer buying on other systems they own.


I know a lot a friends who have their PSP getting dust, me included. In fact I even know one with his PSP just got a handful of times outside the box :lol

[GodfatherX]

You seem to be dodging the question, whats is"The stuff that's sell?" in America. And what is "A game people want to play" that isn't already being made or already released on the PSP. Well do you own every console under the sun? I own every console so portables do take the back the seat when it comes to my purchases. If a person owns alot of gaming devices I can understand that some have to take the backseat. Of course I still end up buying at least 2-3 day 1 PSP games a year and a ton when the price collapses. Sorry but I have one hell of a time believing that there is nothing people want to buy on the PSP.

I own all 3 consoles, did the previous gen as well, a DS lite and a PSP. I own the only 4 games in the PSP library that interest me, Lumines 1 & 2, DJ Max, and GoW. The last game I bought was GoW chains of Olympus which came out 2 years ago. The library is stock full of half assed console ports with very few fun and innovative games, and even fewer that are enjoyable as a portable game.

[DangerousDave]

Come on, it's obvious that Piracy kills PSP.

You remember that reports of most downloaded 360 game was 1'2M times, or most downloaded Wii game was 1'5M times?

Most downloaded PSP games: Dissidia: Final Fantasy 5,281,223 downloads Phantasy Star Portable 2 – 4,665,510 downloads Dynasty Warriors Strikeforce – 2,072,942 downloads Monster Hunter Freedom Unite – 1,820,282 downloads Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII – 1,223,881 downloads Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam vs. Gundam Next Plus – 1,1187,341 downloads Tales of the World Radiant Mythology 2 – 1,131,319 downloads

For the ones that argues that DS have the same or even more piracy, the most pirated on DS.

Pokemon: Platinum 2,071,006 downloads Pokemon: Diamond 1,862,899 downloads Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies – 1,551,085 downloads Mario Party DS – 1,470,231 downloads New Super Mario Bros. – 1,455,577 downloads Mario Kart – 1,447,781 downloads Pokemon: SoulSilver – 1,129,469

[ssowinski]

From the video, it seems that he is running some kind of modified firmware that introduces an "Install Package File" ability...At the very least, we will still have to flash to that firmware before we can install anything. Still, this is about as seamless as you can get.

That modified firmware with the install package option was also loaded from USB using a fake signed update file that any PS3 will run.

[lowrider007]

Practically every single person I know expects free games on their PSP, they just seem to think it's a perk of the system, and I'm not talking tech savy people either, one guy that I know, father of two, has his own taxi business, normal family guy has purchased a CFW PSP off ebay for free games and he doesn't even know how to unrar files, I refuse to help him.

[test_account]

It's probably the debug OFW which I believe can be made by a simple edit to an XML file in the normal OFW, so it's not really CFW.

That might be indeed. But still you need to change the original PS3 firmware, right? I mean, you cant just put a USB stick in a completely unmodified PS3 and run the .pkg files on that PS3, or?

[JudgeN]

I own all 3 consoles, did the previous gen as well, a DS lite and a PSP. I own the only 4 games in the PSP library that interest me, Lumines 1 & 2, DJ Max, and GoW. The last game I bought was GoW chains of Olympus which came out 2 years ago. The library is stock full of half assed console ports with very few fun and innovative games, and even fewer that are enjoyable as a portable game.

I completely disagree with your opinion of the PSP library, tons of innovative and fun games on the system. Hell I own probably 2x as many PSP games as I do DS games. But hey its your opinion not going to knock you for it. Need PSP GAF up in here to show people what the PSP is about :lol

[Quixzlizx]

If you don't like Japanese games, then the PSP library is going to be fairly underwhelming. If you do like Japanese games and still think the PSP doesn't have a library, then you haven't actually looked.

[Lothars]

DS is hacked and has tons of pirated software available. People in America buy shitloads of DS games. 360 is hacked and has tons of pirated software available. People in America buy shitloads of 360 games. Wii is hacked and has tons of pirated software available. People in America buy shitloads of Wii games. The PSP library is the problem. I own a PSP and haven't bought (or pirated, thank you very much) a PSP game in years.

The PSP Library is not the problem, Honestly the PSP library is just as good as the DS library if not superior in some ways.

There are tons of great games available for the PSP and if your not seeing them than your really not looking hard enough.

[Cheerilee]

Come on, it's obvious that Piracy kills PSP.

Or it means that PSP pirates disproportionately look to play Final Fantasy, while DS pirates have a wider range of tastes.

There are too many unknowables in measuring the impact of piracy. I'm not even convinced that anyone can say with certainty that piracy is a good or bad thing. The only attribute I'd give to piracy is chaos (although it sometimes does a remarkable job of following popular trends, so maybe even that is wrong).

[Diablohead]

Practically every single person I know expects free games on their PSP, they just seem to think it's a perk of the system, and I'm not talking tech savy people either, one guy that I know, father of two, has his own taxi business, normal family guy has purchased a CFW PSP off ebay for free games and he doesn't even know how to unrar files, I refuse to help him.

I knew a guy once who would brag about having a jailbroken 3g touch, most iOS games cost less then a cup of coffee or a can of cola... and no he didn't use any extra features like custom folders or special wallpapers, rather sick :/

[ChronicleX]

That might be indeed. But still you need to change the original PS3 firmware, right? I mean, you cant just put a USB stick in a completely unmodified PS3 and run the .pkg files on that PS3, or?

No. Once a file is signed it will run on any PS3 without modifications.
how many times must I repeat this......

[Bojanglez]

Um. Why? Trophies serve two purposes. Firstly, they're an electronic dick-waving exercise, which becomes completely pointless when everyone knows they can be faked. And secondly they're a way of adding challenge and life to games for your own entertainment, which you don't get through this app.

....thirdly they are a way of indexing your own (and friends') journey through games. I often like to see how my friends have approached games based on their trophies.

[TommyT]

No. Once a file is signed it will run on any PS3 without modifications. how many times must I repeat this......

Every time there is a new page that will cause the previous page(s) not to be read.

[Keyser Soze]

That might be indeed. But still you need to change the original PS3 firmware, right? I mean, you cant just put a USB stick in a completely unmodified PS3 and run the .pkg files on that PS3, or?

Dude the keys are out, and in a bowl, and everyone is fucking each others wife...



THIS IS SERIOUS

[JudgeN]

No. Once a file is signed it will run on any PS3 without modifications. how many times must I repeat this......

I thought the problem was that the OFW can only read from disk drive or PSN?

[mrklaw]

No. Once a file is signed it will run on any PS3 without modifications. how many times must I repeat this......

yes, but.

That video shows the PS3 having a 'package loader' app. That app is not there on 'normal' PS3s, it needed to get there somehow. The only way AFAIK to get an application onto a normal PS3 through USB is to update the firmware - its the only thing that accepts USB as an input (for now, will probably get removed soon).

So he must have used that route to get a tweaked version of the firmware onto that PS3, which included that package loader. Once thats done, that package loader is handling the loading of apps from USB.

So you can't just play games from a standard PS3, even if signed. You need something on the PS3 first, which means CFW.

[ssowinski]

I thought the problem was that the OFW can only read from disk drive or PSN?

Nope. You can update the firmware from USB. This, plus fake updates = CFW.

[BritBloke916]

I thought the problem was that the OFW can only read from disk drive or PSN?

Current OFW will read and execute .PUP files from the USB key as part of the firmware update process. These can apparently include multiple different files and executables. There are also various DNS exploits for getting software onto the PS3.

[Dragon]

I knew a guy once who would brag about having a jailbroken 3g touch, most iOS games cost less then a cup of coffee or a can of cola... and no he didn't use any extra features like custom folders or special wallpapers, rather sick :/

Jailbreaking something isn't wrong though. I have my PSP jailbroken and yet I have never downloaded a game. But putting games you own on the memory stick is useful and I don't see anything wrong with that :)

[BritBloke916]

The only way AFAIK to get an application onto a normal PS3 through USB is to update the firmware - its the only thing that accepts USB as an input (for now, will probably get removed soon).

Yep, consider it gone :D

EDIT: Obviously that doesn't stop anything, but Sony's objective must be always be to make these things more difficult (and keep hacked systems off PSN).

[ssowinski]

yes, but. That video shows the PS3 having a 'package loader' app. That app is not there on 'normal' PS3s, it needed to get there somehow. The only way AFAIK to get an application onto a normal PS3 through USB is to update the firmware - its the only thing that accepts USB as an input (for now, will probably get removed soon). So he must have used that route to get a tweaked version of the firmware onto that PS3, which included that package loader. Once thats done, that package loader is handling the loading of apps from USB. So you can't just play games from a standard PS3, even if signed. You need something on the PS3 first, which means CFW.

You make a fake update which includes the package loader and sign it with the public keys and run it on a OFW PS3.

Then you can run any packages that you want from that point on. Emulators, game loaders, linux ect.

[The Faceless Master]

Come on, it's obvious that Piracy kills PSP. You remember that reports of most downloaded 360 game was 1'2M times, or most downloaded Wii game was 1'5M times? For the ones that argues that DS have the same or even more piracy, the most pirated on DS.

you're comparing made up apples to made up oranges. the numbers for PSP/DS are from a different source than 360/Wii and are tabulated differently. it was a;ready pointed out in the 360/Wii thread that many websites use some trackers and the same download is counted several times based on what tracker a person downloads from, so the numbers are bloated by that. and as for DS games vs PSP games, DS games are routinely bundled into packs on torrents, and with no indication of exactly how the numbers were tabulated, we don't know how accurate their initial count even is. the numbers are about as good as ...

[iapetus]

....thirdly they are a way of indexing your own (and friends') journey through games. I often like to see how my friends have approached games based on their trophies.

Fair enough. But automatically getting all the trophies makes it pants for that as well, so there's still no incentive to do so.

[The Faceless Master]

hey, for those of you talking about Sony removing the ability to update firmware via USB, this was already pointed out and dismissed as crazy talk. why? well, one of Sony's cost cutting measures was to cut down on the amount of flash memory in later models of the PS3, so the firmware is partially on the HDD. you need a USB drive to install/update the firmware when changing hard drives.

[BritBloke916]

hey, for those of you talking about Sony removing the ability to update firmware via USB, this was already pointed out and dismissed as crazy talk. why? well, one of Sony's cost cutting measures was to cut down on the amount of flash memory in later models of the PS3, so the firmware is partially on the HDD. you need a USB drive to install/update the firmware when changing hard drives.

Good point. I probably should have remembered that, given that's exactly what I had to do when I upgraded the HDD on my 40GB PS3 Phat...

[squatingyeti]

Come on, it's obvious that Piracy kills PSP. You remember that reports of most downloaded 360 game was 1'2M times, or most downloaded Wii game was 1'5M times? For the ones that argues that DS have the same or even more piracy, the most pirated on DS.

IIRC, that came from a review of a couple torrent sites. There are more sophisticated ways to get things pirates want. Maybe the pirates of other systems are just far more civilized sophisticated committed to not being caught. :lol

[yurinka]

you're comparing made up apples to made up oranges. the numbers for PSP/DS are from a different source than 360/Wii and are tabulated differently. it was a;ready pointed out in the 360/Wii thread that many websites use some trackers and the same download is counted several times based on what tracker a person downloads from, so the numbers are bloated by that. and as for DS games vs PSP games, DS games are routinely bundled into packs on torrents, and with no indication of exactly how the numbers were tabulated, we don't know how accurate their initial count even is. the numbers are about as good as ...

Yep. We also have to consider DS & PSP games are smaller, so their pirate games tend to be downloaded using other methods like mega upload and similar.

[Bojanglez]

Fair enough. But automatically getting all the trophies makes it pants for that as well, so there's still no incentive to do so.

Exactly that is why I will be going nowhere near such an App, if anyone on my friends list did then they probably wouldn't be on there for much longer. Trophies will still be useful (in a very small inconsequential way) for me personally even if some twats start hacking them.