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claviertekky
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(01-27-2011, 11:09 PM)
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On boot up:

bool 16MBRomCheck = Return.ROM.sizecheck;
if 16MBRomCheck == true
checkhd;
bootdash;

func checkhd{
bool checkfile = filechecker;
if checkfile == false
PSN.Update;

return}

Blah I suck at programming.
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B1gg_Randall
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(01-27-2011, 11:14 PM)
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WTF So i cant upgrade my 40 gig
Psycho Powaa
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(01-27-2011, 11:17 PM)
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Coincidentally, I did a backup to my external HDD before updating the FW. I currently have a 500GB HDD installed on my 60GB PS3.

Either way, it doesn't seem to affect me.

I didn't even know about the 16MB flash thing.
lucius
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(01-27-2011, 11:19 PM)
Bah, my slim is on the list and I was going to upgrade my hard drive next week. As bad as the firmware update that made controllers stop syncing with the PS3, maybe worse.
black_vegeta
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(01-27-2011, 11:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Captain Pants

I just put a 500GB in my Slim last week. Good timing.:)

This.
The Faceless Master
(01-27-2011, 11:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by B1gg_Randall

WTF So i cant upgrade my 40 gig

not today.

not until they release a fixed 3.56 like they did with 3.41
B1gg_Randall
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(01-27-2011, 11:23 PM)
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Oh ok =D...I thought I was fuck thanks alot man..
Danielsan
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(01-27-2011, 11:32 PM)
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My 500GB HDD arrives tomorrow. Luckily I didn't update. Guess this means we're getting a 3.57 sooner rather than later.
Shaneus
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(01-27-2011, 11:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by lucius

Bah, my slim is on the list and I was going to upgrade my hard drive next week. As bad as the firmware update that made controllers stop syncing with the PS3, maybe worse.

There was a firmware that did that? I have a DS3 that refuses to work with anything unless it's connected via the USB :/
Stoffinator
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(01-27-2011, 11:57 PM)
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So that means I can't upgrade my slim? That blows if true, its only got 20gig left (on its 160gig HDD I put in).
linkboy
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(01-27-2011, 11:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Stoffinator

So that means I can't upgrade my slim? That blows if true, its only got 20gig left (on its 160gig HDD I put in).

For now, yes. However, Sony will push a new firmware down to fix it.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
(01-28-2011, 03:16 AM)
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I think I might have found something else new in 3.56 (I'd post it in one of the other 3.56 threads but they were all locked due to lolpiracy talk).

When you go to the second page of a user's profile card (the page with the breakdown of how many bronze/silver/gold/platinum trophies they have), in the lower right corner the total number of trophies they have is displayed. I'm 99.9% sure that this wasn't there in previous firmware revisions.

Really a minor thing if it IS new, but still.
I3rand0
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(01-28-2011, 03:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by Seraphis Cain

I think I might have found something else new in 3.56 (I'd post it in one of the other 3.56 threads but they were all locked due to lolpiracy talk).

When you go to the second page of a user's profile card (the page with the breakdown of how many bronze/silver/gold/platinum trophies they have), in the lower right corner the total number of trophies they have is displayed. I'm 99.9% sure that this wasn't there in previous firmware revisions.

Really a minor thing if it IS new, but still.

That's always been there since Trophies came out.
The Crimson Kid
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(01-28-2011, 03:35 AM)
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Hold up for a second.

1) Did Sony release a firmware that does just security stuff (aka nothing) and this was just a glitch? Meaning this is the first firmware to ADD more glitches than it fixes?

or

2) Did Sony fully intend to remove this feature from random PS3s WITHOUT TELLING ANYONE?!? At least they made it crystal clear they were about to fuck you when they removed OtherOS.

Either way it's reeeeally pathetic. If this is what we can expect from Sony's responses to piracy, then the hackers will have nothing to worry about.
TheSeks
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(01-28-2011, 03:37 AM)
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It's 1. Not 2. Read. :/
(._.)
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(01-28-2011, 03:38 AM)
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their desperate attempts at fight the jailbreak are becoming obnoxious and pathetic.
graywolf323
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(01-28-2011, 03:38 AM)
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definitely sounds like a glitch
Dreams-Visions
I'm mad as hell but this sandwich is delicious
(01-28-2011, 03:39 AM)
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Come on, Sony. I know you're not a software company with the resources or experience of a Microsoft...

...but come the fuck on.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
(01-28-2011, 03:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by I3rand0

That's always been there since Trophies came out.

Ah. I'm just very, very stupid then! :D
Crisis
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(01-28-2011, 03:43 AM)
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This is almost certainly a glitch that will be fixed by a forthcoming update. They wouldn't have disabled one memory size and not the other.

Go ahead. Make the joke. "That's right - the upcoming fixed update will take away hard drive upgrades altogether." Do it, you cookie cutter motherfuckers. Make me moist.
spindashing
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(01-28-2011, 03:56 AM)
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Okay, LOL. I'm going to upgrade my 20gig launch PS3 in a few months and Sony does this?

smh, I'm stuck deleting mandatory installs over and over to play games.
FLEABttn
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(01-28-2011, 03:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by spindashing

Okay, LOL. I'm going to upgrade my 20gig launch PS3 in a few months and Sony does this?

smh, I'm stuck deleting mandatory installs over and over to play games.

Your 20 gig launch PS3 is unaffected. smh indeed.
zeelman
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(01-28-2011, 03:59 AM)
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First the hacking and now this, again? The PS3's OS is a mess. I really hope Sony can turn this around with their next console.
itxaka
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(01-28-2011, 03:59 AM)
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It only does constant fuckups.
Dambrosi
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(01-28-2011, 04:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Crisis

This is almost certainly a glitch that will be fixed by a forthcoming update. They wouldn't have disabled one memory size and not the other.

That's right - the upcoming fixed update will take away hard drive upgrades altogether.

You hot yet, baby? You know you love it, you ****.

Originally Posted by Zeelman

First the hacking and now this, again? The PS3's OS is a mess. I really hope Sony can turn this around with their next console.

The thing is, the more complex a structure becomes, the more vulnerable it becomes - the more holes there are to be poked into. That's what happened with PS3 (unforced human error creates a fatal security flaw in an extremely complex program that is eventually found and exploited), and if PS4 is more complicated than that (and chances are it will be), it too will have more vulnerabilities to exploit - more holes to poke. Get it?

It's the same with 3DS and PSP2, to an extent. The more complex machines will probably get hacked more thoroughly, if not faster.

Originally Posted by BAW

On average, 16 MB models get 10% fewer fps in games than 256 MB models.

REALLY? Boy oh boy, am I glad I have a CECHA, then.

Actually, hey - could this be why I don't have any framerate problems with Bayonetta?
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BAW
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(01-28-2011, 04:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Zzoram

Why did they drop the flash from 256MB to 16MB in slim models? Does it affect performance?

It was a cost cutting measure and was intoduced in the later fats, i.e. even before the slims. On average, 16 MB models get 10% fewer fps in games than 256 MB models.
FLEABttn
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(01-28-2011, 04:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by BAW

It was a cost cutting measure and was intoduced in the later fats, i.e. even before the slims. On average, 16 MB models get 10% fewer fps in games than 256 MB models.

Where's that statistic from?
The Crimson Kid
what are you waiting for
(01-28-2011, 04:12 AM)
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Not only did I learn that rhetorical questions work as well as sarcasm, I added a massive cunt to my ignore list!

Win-win!
dogmaan
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(01-28-2011, 04:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by FLEABttn

Where's that statistic from?

His Anus.

who knows
Wario64
works for Gamestop (lol)
(01-28-2011, 04:16 AM)
Who says this is a fuck up? Sony is just taking out features again, like OtherOS. They'll probably rip out the pages from their manuals that mention anything about HDD upgrading.
spindashing
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(01-28-2011, 04:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by FLEABttn

Your 20 gig launch PS3 is unaffected. smh indeed.

I could cry right now. You are my best friend.
lucius
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(01-28-2011, 04:47 AM)

Originally Posted by Shaneus

There was a firmware that did that? I have a DS3 that refuses to work with anything unless it's connected via the USB :/

Yeah it was a few weeks before they fixed it with new firmware, only affected certain systems mostly new slims but others had it too.
Mailenstein
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(01-28-2011, 04:57 AM)
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Sounds like anybody with at least 1hr programming knowledge can get a job at Sony's PS3 firmware department division.
XiaNaphryz
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(01-28-2011, 05:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mailenstein

Sounds like anybody with at least 1hr programming knowledge can get a job at Sony's PS3 firmware department division.

They switched all the good coders to work on PSP2 firmware, obviously.
corrosivefrost
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(01-28-2011, 05:27 AM)
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What the fuck is this bullshit?! So my PS3 is DOA until Sony gets off their ass and pushes a new fw with a fix? Goddamit.

How long did this spectacular snafu take to resolve last time... i.e. when can I finish my fucking upgrade? >_<

Are they aware of this? Can we actually expect a bug fix sooner rather than later?
Morac
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(01-28-2011, 06:54 AM)
I'm not sure why people call this a bug. It's actual more of a side effect of Sony's newer hot patch process. The 3.56 patch is a tiny patch which simply add/changes files in the 3.55 software. This differs from most patches which download the entire firmware. Since part of the software on models with 16 MB of flash memory is stored on the hard drive, those PS3's need to reinstall the software when upgrading the drive. PS3's with 256 MB of flash memory store all the software in the flash memory so it isn't lost on a drive upgrade.

Anyway since 3.56 is a hot patch and requires 3.55 to be installed prior to updating, you can't install 3.56 on a new drive. You also could install 3.55 when upgrading if not for Sony's software version checks.

In any case it's not a bug, Sony simply wanted to get 3.56 out quickly, hence the hot patch. Once they have most of the PS3 consoles updated, they'll replace the hot patch with a full patch and it will work for drive updates.

I expect that a new 3.57 update will come out before 3.56 is fixed considering 3.56 has already been hacked.
Vagabundo
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(01-28-2011, 07:24 AM)
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Those damn Somali pirate hookers.

Originally Posted by Withnail

Yeah more pointless updates incoming.

But at least we got homebrew right :|

lol cry some moar...
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kitch9
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(01-28-2011, 07:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by Beer Monkey

You really shouldn't install this firmware anyway if you want to keep your homebrew options open.

I know, I don't know what I'd do without umpteen backup managers and sod all else....
fuzzyreactor
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(01-28-2011, 07:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by BAW

It was a cost cutting measure and was intoduced in the later fats, i.e. even before the slims. On average, 16 MB models get 10% fewer fps in games than 256 MB models.

bullshit
corrosivefrost
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(01-28-2011, 07:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Morac

I'm not sure why people call this a bug. It's actual more of a side effect of Sony's newer hot patch process. The 3.56 patch is a tiny patch which simply add/changes files in the 3.55 software. This differs from most patches which download the entire firmware. Since part of the software on models with 16 MB of flash memory is stored on the hard drive, those PS3's need to reinstall the software when upgrading the drive. PS3's with 256 MB of flash memory store all the software in the flash memory so it isn't lost on a drive upgrade.

Anyway since 3.56 is a hot patch and requires 3.55 to be installed prior to updating, you can't install 3.56 on a new drive. You also could install 3.55 when upgrading if not for Sony's software version checks.

In any case it's not a bug, Sony simply wanted to get 3.56 out quickly, hence the hot patch. Once they have most of the PS3 consoles updated, they'll replace the hot patch with a full patch and it will work for drive updates.

I expect that a new 3.57 update will come out before 3.56 is fixed considering 3.56 has already been hacked.

That's a good explanation and makes sense from a programmatic point of view. However, it does nothing to soothe my rage regarding the fact that I cannot install this new hard drive and my PS3, without a ton of effort, is a useless brick at the moment, as my 120gb from my slim is in my new netbook and the netbook 250gb is in the ps3. It took a lot of effort to switch and so now I'm pretty much resigned to not playing any of the new shit I bought in the last two weeks until they have the issue resolved. :(
kitch9
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(01-28-2011, 07:38 AM)
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Originally Posted by FLEABttn

Where's that statistic from?


The deepest darkest depths of his ass...... That would be ALL over the internet if true.

Those guys getting pissy over a minor bug should strap a pair on and realise in this world of massively complex hardware and complex software that minor bugs such as these should be expected and embraced. They will happen fairly often over your various equipment.

The mark of a good manufacturer is how quick they sort their issues, and this issue will be fixed and I guess fairly quickly as nothing is so certain then to say Sony will be reading these and other forums to find out what people are saying about how successful their hack fix as been.
The Faceless Master
(01-28-2011, 08:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by corrosivefrost

What the fuck is this bullshit?! So my PS3 is DOA until Sony gets off their ass and pushes a new fw with a fix? Goddamit.

How long did this spectacular snafu take to resolve last time... i.e. when can I finish my fucking upgrade? >_<

Are they aware of this? Can we actually expect a bug fix sooner rather than later?

it took a week the last time, July 27th -> August 3rd.

Originally Posted by kitch9

I know, I don't know what I'd do without umpteen backup managers and sod all else....

you could not have to swap disks and save your precious physical media from the bitter cold that causes the disks to get brittle and crack!
kitch9
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(01-28-2011, 10:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by The Faceless Master

it took a week the last time, July 27th -> August 3rd.


you could not have to swap disks and save your precious physical media from the bitter cold that causes the disks to get brittle and crack!

Yeah I know, I've had to replace all my games 3 times due to the cracking and snapping when they are introduced to oxygen.....
Vagabundo
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(01-28-2011, 10:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by kitch9

Yeah I know, I've had to replace all my games 3 times due to the cracking and snapping when they are introduced to oxygen.....

It is good that blurays are invulnerable and, even if OMG lightening strikes scratch them, Sony will replace them for you.

Get off yer horse...
Jinfash
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(01-28-2011, 02:16 PM)
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What does the 3.56 even do, besides facilitating banning blops cheaters and (temporarily?) preventing upgrading HDDs. Did it complicate jailbreaking in any way? I'm still on an OFW, but I'm still interested in jailbreaking in the future.
Beer Monkey
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(01-28-2011, 02:49 PM)

Originally Posted by Jinfash

What does the 3.56 even do, besides facilitating banning blops cheaters and (temporarily?) preventing upgrading HDDs. Did it complicate jailbreaking in any way? I'm still on an OFW, but I'm still interested in jailbreaking in the future.

It blocks the software-only Geohot jailbreak. There's no known way to softmod a 3.56 system at this time and there may never be.
styl3s
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(01-28-2011, 02:58 PM)
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So i can't take my 80gb HDD out and put a 500gb one in? will my 1TB external still work?

i don't understand i am illiterate when it comes to this stuff
corrosivefrost
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(01-28-2011, 05:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by styl3s

So i can't take my 80gb HDD out and put a 500gb one in? will my 1TB external still work?

i don't understand i am illiterate when it comes to this stuff

This is true. You can't swap the internal PS3 hard drive out if you've upgraded to 3.56 until a new firmware is released -- whether that be an update to 3.56 or a new fw entirely (3.57).

If your PS3 is still working, your external drive should still show up, providing it showed up before the 3.56 update was applied (meaning that the drive is properly formatted to FAT32 and thus is recognizable by the PS3 OS).
styl3s
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(01-28-2011, 06:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by corrosivefrost

This is true. You can't swap the internal PS3 hard drive out if you've upgraded to 3.56 until a new firmware is released -- whether that be an update to 3.56 or a new fw entirely (3.57).

If your PS3 is still working, your external drive should still show up, providing it showed up before the 3.56 update was applied (meaning that the drive is properly formatted to FAT32 and thus is recognizable by the PS3 OS).

I will try the external in a bit, this is fucking bullshit i cant put a bigger HDD in MY ps3, goddamn pirates are ruining it for everyone those bums
MoxManiac
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(01-28-2011, 06:06 PM)
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