[Haly]

If Sorin's WB, I don't feel like Avacyn would also be WB, because it would be kind of silly having two WB mythics back to back.

Unless the W part of him has something to do with Avacyn. Like they had some freaky magic sex and now they're both WB.

Does the Aristocrat officially make Human sacrifice a theme for this set?

It's quite fitting, since Innistrad was all but dominated by Humans (lore wise and especially in limited). Now they will be fodder to feed your unholy hoard.

[rCIZZLE]

If the rest of the set looks promising I'll probably break down and buy a box. The level of hype that Sorin is getting suggests he'll be at the same status as Liliana at release and may able to pay for most of a box by himself.

[The Xtortionist]

So is Ral Zarek not in Dark Ascension? He's been floating around forever.

[red_13th]

Yes, Sorin is BW! Love it!

[Chromax]

New Sorin's price during release might even be higher than Liliana's...

[rCIZZLE]

New Sorin's price during release might even be higher than Liliana's...

Eh.. Liliana was at like $65-70 at peak. It's hard to think a short set card could be much higher. Jace TMS shouldn't have even been printed and that didn't even hit higher until it rotated I believe. Boxes are about as cheap as they'll get and if I pulled one it'd be instantly on ebay.

[Kurtofan]

[red_13th]

Nice artwork of a woman wearing only a red cloak and nothing else, I suppose.
Here's waiting for a male equivalent. :p

[Pandaman]

i dont think you can claim revenge on your village if yo actually are a werewolf.

i mean, sure if you're a regular human and paranoia causes yor village to give you the boot, then revenge is a viable option. but the scorned villager is an actual monster!

[Hero]

i dont think you can claim revenge on your village if yo actually are a werewolf. i mean, sure if you're a regular human and paranoia causes yor village to give you the boot, then revenge is a viable option. but the scorned villager is an actual monster!

I think the backstory is that she probably wasn't a werewolf so when her village cast her out and she was turned into one naturally she would want revenge.

Also, dat little red riding hood reference.

[Sinatar]

Little Red Riding Hood done growed up.

[Hex]

i dont think you can claim revenge on your village if yo actually are a werewolf. i mean, sure if you're a regular human and paranoia causes yor village to give you the boot, then revenge is a viable option. but the scorned villager is an actual monster!

I am thinking she was driven into the wild for being a witch or something first, which caused her to be victim to the Werewolves or perhaps willingly.

[Hex]

So is Ral Zarek not in Dark Ascension? He's been floating around forever.

He will most likely not be in this block.

[ultron87]

I bet that that card was originally designed as giving a green mana and a red mana when transformed.

[Hex]

I bet that that card was originally designed as giving a green mana and a red mana when transformed.

I was thinking something similar.
Would have been very cool.
All and all it will make a great foil and an EDH Werewolf recruit.

[Haly]

Not bad, the 2CC slot is pretty open for WWs, with only Mayor of Avabruck as the notable 2 drop.

I don't think Sorin is that strong as Leliana. For one, he's W/B which, as far as I know, doesn't have any archetype in Standard at the moment. Second, he's aggro based, generating creatures and pumping them up. His ultimate costing 6 means the soonest you'll be getting him off is turn 7, (6 if your WB deck has some kind of mana accel), for those 3 turns you'll have to make sure he doesn't take any damage at all, and burns would just ruin your day.

I don't see him being anywhere near a "must have" as Liliana.

[turnbuckle]

fine...ill buy a box....

Ditto

[Hex]

Not bad, the 2CC slot is pretty open for WWs, with only Mayor of Avabruck as the notable 2 drop. I don't think Sorin is that strong as Leliana. For one, he's W/B which, as far as I know, doesn't have any archetype in Standard at the moment. Second, he's aggro based, generating creatures and pumping them up. His ultimate costing 6 means the soonest you'll be getting him off is turn 7, (6 if your WB deck has some kind of mana accel), for those 3 turns you'll have to make sure he doesn't take any damage at all, and burns would just ruin your day. I don't see him being anywhere near a "must have" as Liliana.

Sorin is stronger than Lili, for multiple reasons (and I love Lili)

A) He protects himself. He pops out a chump to get in the way at least if something is coming at him. Lili can make opponent sac a creature which is great if they only have one creature.

B) He makes Tokens to pump all of your creatures. Tokens do not go away even if Sorin goes away. There is also no way to remove these tokens.

Both of their ultimate abilities are comparable I think and both have their pros and cons.
As far as white black archetype, Sorin will create them.
But being able to have Sorin, Lili, and Gideon in the same battery is naaaaaasty.

[scy]

New Sorin makes me want to try out an Esper deck. Can't give up my UW upbringings, it seems :/

[ChiTownBuffalo]

I preordered a box. How far does this rabbit hole go?

[The Technomancer]

Hm, how fast is Modern generally? Is it still dominated by combo? New Sorin makes me want to build a W/B aggro/bleed with some Orzhov cards.

[Haly]

Sorin is stronger than Lili, for multiple reasons (and I love Lili) A) He protects himself. He pops out a chump to get in the way at least if something is coming at him. Lili can make opponent sac a creature which is great if they only have one creature. B) He makes Tokens to pump all of your creatures. Tokens do not go away even if Sorin goes away. There is also no way to remove these tokens. Both of their ultimate abilities are comparable I think and both have their pros and cons. As far as white black archetype, Sorin will create them. But being able to have Sorin, Lili, and Gideon in the same battery is naaaaaasty.

After I gave it some thought I realized all of that.

I'm looking forward to playing Sorin, I might just shell out for a playset.

I preordered a box. How far does this rabbit hole go?

When you're dropping hundreds not on boxes, but on single cards.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

After I gave it some thought I realized all of that. I'm looking forward to playing Sorin, I might just shell out for a playset. When you're dropping hundreds not on boxes, but on single cards.

Oh goodness. I can't do that, there's $500 airsoft gun I want to buy.

[y2dvd]

Sorin is stronger than Lili, for multiple reasons (and I love Lili) A) He protects himself. He pops out a chump to get in the way at least if something is coming at him. Lili can make opponent sac a creature which is great if they only have one creature. B) He makes Tokens to pump all of your creatures. Tokens do not go away even if Sorin goes away. There is also no way to remove these tokens. Both of their ultimate abilities are comparable I think and both have their pros and cons. As far as white black archetype, Sorin will create them. But being able to have Sorin, Lili, and Gideon in the same battery is naaaaaasty.

My thoughts exactly. Easily splashable in a R/B vamp deck.

[scy]

When you're dropping hundreds not on boxes, but on single cards.

But that set of Jace 2.0s was so worth it.

I fear for my wallet if I ever get into the far broader formats.

[rCIZZLE]

But that set of Jace 2.0s was so worth it. I fear for my wallet if I ever get into the far broader formats.

This is why I'm glad EDH and drafting are the only popular formats at my LGS.

[OnPoint]

Sorin makes me really want to make heavy use of proliferate.

[Sinatar]

Sorin makes me really want to make heavy use of proliferate.

I don't think it would effect his +1/+0 thing as it isn't a token.

[siddx]

Some really great cards shown so far. Sorrin is awesome, although it's a shame he isn't monoblack or black/red, I won't be able to slip him in my vampires EDH deck.

[y2dvd]

Some really great cards shown so far. Sorrin is awesome, although it's a shame he isn't monoblack or black/red, I won't be able to slip him in my vampires EDH deck.

They probably knew R/B Sorin would be too easy to do so they gave it some W instead. I like the choice.

[Hex]

I don't think it would effect his +1/+0 thing as it isn't a token.

I think (hope) he means to crank Sorin's loyalty up so that you can just drop emblems every turn.

Or Vamp Vamp Nuke.

[Azrael]

So is Ral Zarek not in Dark Ascension? He's been floating around forever.

I think Dack Fayden will be the new Planeswalker, seeing as he's featured on the alternate Faithless Looting art.

[Kurtofan]

[The Technomancer]

Damn I love the flavor driven approach to this set. I don't want it all the time, but when they go all out, its really awesome.

[Keru_Shiri]

Probably, like, the 4th time I've mentioned it in this thread alone but, HOLY COW @ the quality of art in this block. If Innistrad succeeds anywhere, it was in the art direction and execution.

[Hex]

My take on Seance...

I like that it is a "you MAY" effect.
I like that you can sac the spirit to pod before it is exiled (or to anything else that is a sac engine).

I do not like ww2 though.

[Ravager61]

Seance doesn't give the token haste so you can't attack with it. Pretty useless card unless you build a deck around it.

Sorin however is stupid good

[The Technomancer]

My take on Seance... I like that it is a "you MAY" effect. I like that you can sac the spirit to pod before it is exiled (or to anything else that is a sac engine). I do not like ww2 though.

Don't forget, its at the beginning of each upkeep.

EDIT: Yeah, no haste makes this useless for aggression, but I suspect there are some good interactions to be had with ETB and dies effects.

[Keru_Shiri]

Off the top of my head, here are some possible uses for Seance...

Bring back Sun Titan for its effect, and serve as a possible blocker
Bring back a Phantasmal Image long enough to kill a Thrun
Bring back a Wurmcoil as a blocker, possibly buying you a turn
Extra use of Snapcaster - hell yes!
At least two cards drawn with a Sphinx, and a potential blocker against Inkmoth

It has potential as a Sideboard card, after some of your creatures have already died, it could be the buffer needed to out last an aggro deck and lock-in a win. Obviously, playtesting is required. I give it a "maybe."

[Haly]

As if Snapcaster wasn't bad enough, now you have a 4cc solution to bring him back into play to bring another one of your spells back into play.

Flashback your flashback, dawg.

[red_13th]

I guess it could be used in a Momentary Blink deck.
Reanimate a dead CITP critter, get the effect, then blink, keep the critter and get the effect again!

[robox]

i was thinking you wouldn't be able to block with the channeled creatures but re-read it to find it says "each upkeep" rather than "your upkeep"...

bring back elesh norn.
or anything else with innate abilities.

[Azrael]

We're seeing a lot more gold cards in this set than Innistrad. Excluding flip cards that change colors, 14% of the spoiled Dark Ascension cards are multicolored, compared to only 2% of Innistrad cards. This is also the first gold card in the block that is not Mythic Rare or Rare, and if the Fog Creature rumor was true after all, there may be a gold Uncommon cycle in this set.

Add to that the White-Black looking Avacyn art, and I'm starting to think Avacyn Restored might be a gold set.

[Haly]

Wow that's pretty good. A lord and a transformation guard.

[OnPoint]

I think (hope) he means to crank Sorin's loyalty up so that you can just drop emblems every turn. Or Vamp Vamp Nuke.

I meant to get his ultimate as quick as possible, but yes, multiple emblems would be pretty awesome too.

[Boogalogist]

OMFG...the Lich!!!

This is awesome!! Goes right into my Mimeo EDH!

[rCIZZLE]

I'm fairly impressed so far. Some game-changing cards and EDH staples in just the cards spoiled. I hope this quality holds as the rest is revealed.

[Gatekeeper]

I guess it could be used in a Momentary Blink deck. Reanimate a dead CITP critter, get the effect, then blink, keep the critter and get the effect again!

Won't work. blinking a token will cause it to cease to exist.

[Rokam]

Been debating whether or not to go to my first pre release, but hitting it big at the casino and seeing the artwork for this set has sold me.

[OneEightZero]

Most aren't realizing that Sorin can destroy himself...