[SystemShark]

One more question in regards to the Garruk Relentless I have, is there an intro deck that I could slip him into that would work with his abilities?

I've done some preliminary research on the Dark Ascension and Innistrad decks but I'm not sure if there is a fit. :/

Thanks.

["God's Beard!"]

Changed around my artifact deck, any last tips before I buy it?

[Haly]

Uh, how are you going to win the game with Coalition Victory if you only have four Scuttlemites and no other creatures of color? Or any lands besides forests?

I don't understand what this deck is trying to do, it doesn't seem to have a game plan for any phase of the game, early, mid or late.

[smr00]

Any recommendations on a good standard deck (non tournament) for under $100? started back and doing my first FNM tomorrow at a local shop but also want to get a deck so i can ease my way back in and play outside of drafts.

["God's Beard!"]

Uh, how are you going to win the game with Coalition Victory if you only have four Scuttlemites and no other creatures of color? Or any lands besides forests? I don't understand what this deck is trying to do, it doesn't seem to have a game plan for any phase of the game, early, mid or late.

Prismatic Omen makes my forests all land types, and tapping scuttlemutt makes it a creature of all colors.

Early on: Mana ramping, meekstone to keep people from outclassing my weak creatures
Mid game: Stylus + Totem to take away my opponent's combos
Late: Ironworks + Genesis Chamber + Myr Retriever mana/token infinite or Coalition Victory

Scarecrone + Retriever and Totem are basically to cover my ass while I set up my combos, and I can use Ironworks to snag extra mana in a pinch.

[Haly]

I have a cheap W/U spirits deck but I'm not sure how well it fares competitively (not tournament level, just casual standard) since I talk about magic more than I actually play it.

If you're interested here's my decklist:

W/U Budget Spirits Creatures: 4 Drogskol Captain 2 Geist-Honored Monk (probably my favorite card art wise from this block) 1 Phantasmal Image (not necessary, I just had one lying around and I threw it in) Sorceries: 4 Lingering Souls 4 Midnight Haunting Instants: 4 Mana Leak 4 Ponder 3 Gitaxian Probe 3 Vapor Snag 4 Midnight Haunting Enchantments: 4 Oblivion Ring 4 Honor of the Pure (interchangable with Intangible Virtue) Lands: 7 Plains 9 Island 1 Swamp 3 Evolving Wilds 2 Moorland Haunt 1 Isolated Chapel Sideboard: 4 Timely Reinforcements 2 Negate 3 Urgent Exorcism 2 Revoke Existence 2 Flashfreeze 2 Celestial Purge

Another deck I made on the cheap is U/R Burning Vengeance, which is a tempo deck:

UR Burning Vengeance Creatures: 3 Snapcaster Mage (much cheaper on MTGO than in the physical game so it's probably out of your budget) Sorceries: 3 Lingering Souls 2 Day of Judgment 2 Devil's Play Instants: 4 Think Twice 3 Whipflare 3 Mana Leak 3 Dissipate 3 Desperate Ravings 2 Forbidden Alchemy Enchantments: 4 Burning Vengeance 2 Oblivion Ring Lands: 4 Plains 6 Island 4 Mountain 1 Swamp 4 Sulfur Falls 3 Clifftop Retreat 1 Dragonskull Summit 3 Evolving Wilds Sideboard 3 Timely Reinforcements 1 Day of Judgment 1 Oblivion Ring 2 Negate 2 Revoke Existence 1 Ratchet Bomb 2 Flashfreeze 1 Phantasmal Image 2 Celestial Purge

Prismatic Omen makes my forests all land types, and tapping scuttlemutt makes it a creature of all colors. Early on: Mana ramping, meekstone to keep people from outclassing my weak creatures Mid game: Stylus + Totem to take away my opponent's combos Late: Ironworks + Genesis Chamber + Myr Retriever mana/token infinite or Coalition Victory Scarecrone + Retriever and Totem are basically to cover my ass while I set up my combos, and I can use Ironworks to snag extra mana in a pinch.

Ah, I misread Scuttlemutt, I didn't see "color or colors".

["God's Beard!"]

Anyone want to trade/sell me a playset of Mishra's Factory? :3

edit: Best art ever:



Anyway, my dream of turning creatures into disposable scarecrow tokens is pretty much over with no good green/colorless solution. I don't want to rely on prismatic omen.


Added some non-basic lands to my deck:

10x Forest
4x Buried Ruin
4x Treetop Village
4x Tree of Tales

3x Meekstone
3x Tel-Jilad Stylus
4x Avarice Totem

2x Prismatic Omen
4x Genesis Chamber
4x Myr Retriever
4x Explore

4x Scarecrone
4x Scuttlemutt

4x Krark-Clan Ironworks

2x Coalition Victory

Basically the only thing holding me back is deciding between these two cards:



Scarecrone is obviously the better and more flexible card, but Junk Diver helps a lot with my combos, adds some much-needed evasion and drops the price of my deck from about 50 to about 40 dollars. Once I decide between these two, I'll pull the trigger on the deck. Can you guys help me out here?

[BlewHedgehog]

Really? I don't think I've seen ones that are green that often. What color do they drop? I'd have to drop one since it's B/W/R already. For your deck I guess venser isn't bad. It still feels like you don't have anything huge for blinking. Restoration just blinks something else right? The biggest thing is blade splicer and slime to bounce but is it really that consistent? Especially with both only being 3 ofs it doesn't seem very reliable.

Here's a link to something similar to what I played:
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=44527

You're not so much playing 4 colors as you are playing green with minor splashes of the other three. Your only black spell is Unburial Rites, and you'll probably be flashing it back for 3W most often. Any mana problems you'd have tend to get ironed out by the Birds of Paradise and Mulch serves the dual purpose of digging for the mana sources you need while also dumping big dudes into your graveyard. Dunno how I forgot to recommend Inferno Titan earlier. That guy is killer, especially with all the Phantasmal Images running rampant right now. The thing that puzzles me about these lists are the inclusion of Tracker's Instincts. I guess any sifting through your library is good since you have Faithless Looting to work with, but it seems really counter-intuitive to scoop a bunch of big guys into your hand. It rarely did what I wanted it to. I'd replace them with some Oblivion Rings so you don't auto-lose to dumb stuff like Venser/Stonehorn Dignitary as well as a Sun Titan or two to possibly recur them with. That's the fun in reanimator decks though. You can really just run 8 of your favorite stupidly over-sized creatures and probably be in pretty good shape.

I played my UGW deck in a small 8-man standard tourney tonight and went 2-1. It was clear the Snapcasters weren't working out, so they got cut along with one of my three Beast Within. In their place, I played a Green Sun's Zenith, a Thrun, and 3 Geist of Saint Traft (a card which had absolutely no place in this deck). After trying some things with the sideboard, I think the best build wound up running (in the place of the previosuly mentioned Snapcasters and Beat Within) fourth copies of Acidic Slime and Blade Splicer, another mana dude, and maybe a pair of Sun Titans for fun Phantasmal Image tricks.

My first round opponent is going to have Blade Splicer nightmares for weeks. He attacked head first into a Restoration Angeled Splicer which got copied with Phantasmal Image on my turn and was double Cloudshifted at the end of his next. Round 2 got got turn 3 Tamiyo'ed out game 1 and Turbo-Slimed in game 2. Lost the last round, to a player far worse than the other guys I had played, but he was gunning Heartless Lich and I just couldn't find the Acidic Slimes to answer. His Grand Architect did a nice job of mowing down Phantasmal Images too. Oh well, the deck is crazy fun to play and I'm looking forward to my next chance to run it.

[Pandaman]

Changed around my artifact deck, any last tips before I buy it?

you have 2 prismatic omens and absolutely need them to win.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...x?name=Reclaim

[Haly]

Could also run Eternal Witness.

[kirblar]

PT AVR- Barcelona

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazin...avr12/welcome#

http://www.twitch.tv/magicprotour

[Negator]

Inb4 Wolfir Silverheart spikes

[kirblar]

Inb4 Wolfir Silverheart spikes

It's so dumb. Vapor Snag pretty much takes a dump on it in Standard.

[divisionbyzorro]

This human resurrection deck looks like a ton of fun to play.

[WanderingWind]

Whoo hoo! Silverheart is about to jump in price.

Haly, looking at your U/B spirits deck and I got to say, Honor of the Pure really isn't interchangeable with Intangible Virtue in that deck. All your stuff except your Captain and Monk are tokens! Vigilance! It's the new wave!

I love Phantasmal Image being in there just cause...lol. I've done that a couple of times to great success. Usually with Adaptive Automaton.

[kirblar]

It's going to spike for a weekend. Move your copies now.

[Hex]

It's so dumb. Vapor Snag pretty much takes a dump on it in Standard.

Vapor Snag takes a dump on almost any creature, so fucking what.
You cast it again, they will not counter it because of the Cavern so you cast it and attack with the other one when you do.
It is NOT a bit fucking deal.
"Vapor snag oooooo" "Titan oooo"
4 Vapor snags out of 60 cards.
If they want to waste a snapcaster on a vapor snag, fantastic.

[ultron87]

Ahh, I can't identify Avacyn Restored cards by sight yet! That makes this way harder to watch. Guess I should be working anyway.

[divisionbyzorro]

Vapor Snag takes a dump on almost any creature, so fucking what. You cast it again, they will not counter it because of the Cavern so you cast it and attack with the other one when you do. It is NOT a bit fucking deal. "Vapor snag oooooo" "Titan oooo" 4 Vapor snags out of 60 cards. If they want to waste a snapcaster on a vapor snag, fantastic.

The danger of course is that you overcommit to an attack; Silverheart gets snagged and your soulbonded creature get swallowed by blockers.

And there goes Bonfire winning another match. I gotta say - I really liked Levy's deck better just for the awesome factor of resurrecting swarms upon swarms of dudes.

[sammich]

OK.. um.. here is my attempt back again to do a weenie(Human)/direct damage deck. Im still not familiar with the majority of the cards so most of these are from the latest set. Any help /pointers, even telling me to scrap the silly idea is fine:

Creatures
2x Champion of the Parish
3x Selfless Cathar
3x Avacyn's Pilgrim
3x Hamlet Captain
3x Kessig Malcontents
3x Somberwald Vigilante
3x Vexing Devil
2x Zealous Conscripts

Land
2x Rootbound Crag
2x Sunpetal Grove
3x Cavern of Souls
4x Plains
4x Mountain
4x Forest

Spells
3x Shock
2x Gather the Townsfolk
2x Divine Deflection
2x Bonfire of the Damned
3x Pillar of Flame
3x Thunderbolt
3x Thunderous Wrath

I used to play 4 colour back in the day(no black) but i used to have all dual lands and all the other fun stuff to help out the massive weenie influx. So an ideas/improvements would be appreciated. One thing im forseeing is running out of cards in my hand, which i had the newer wheel of fortune in.. but it was a hefty casting cost and doesnt mean it will always come up when i need it. So maybe i rather have something else that will give me the ability to pick up cards at a steady rate.

[kirblar]

Vapor Snag takes a dump on almost any creature, so fucking what. You cast it again, they will not counter it because of the Cavern so you cast it and attack with the other one when you do. It is NOT a bit fucking deal. "Vapor snag oooooo" "Titan oooo" 4 Vapor snags out of 60 cards. If they want to waste a snapcaster on a vapor snag, fantastic.

Vapor Snag = Time Walk, lose a life, get your guy blown out midcombat. You can also replace Snag with any reasonable removal spell.

[Hex]

Vapor Snag = Time Walk, lose a life, get your guy blown out midcombat. You can also replace Snag with any reasonable removal spell.

That is why you never rely on one creature, especially with green or white.
You make them choose what to snag or go for the throat or whatever they are using, and still punish.

[Hex]

Is Barcelona block or standard?

[divisionbyzorro]

Is Barcelona block or standard?

Block.

Thank heavens. I'm tired of watching WRR and Delver. :p

[kirblar]

Block. Thank heavens. I'm tired of watching WRR and Delver. :p

Picking Modern for the POTY playoffs seemed to say that they don't expect Standard to get better until rotation. :(

[divisionbyzorro]

Picking Modern for the POTY playoffs seemed to say that they don't expect Standard to get better until rotation. :(

I have this secret hope that they ban Snapcaster in standard as the Titans rotate out just to shake things up.

[Venfayth]

Is there a stream today or anything?

[OnPoint]

Can someone explain to me why Silverheart is going to spike? I'm at work and can't watch

[kirblar]

Can someone explain to me why Silverheart is going to spike? I'm at work and can't watch

It's showing up a lot in Block. (But people don't understand that Block!=Standard and so it's going up in price today.)

[Sinatar]

Is there a stream today or anything?

http://www.twitch.tv/magicprotour

[Venfayth]

http://www.twitch.tv/magicprotour

thankyouuuuuuu

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

It's showing up a lot in Block. (But people don't understand that Block!=Standard and so it's going up in price today.)

Ya, people were telling me that they don't want to trade until after this tour to see how prices stick but it's not standard so it really shouldn't affect prices much at all.

[Venfayth]

Look at this poor guy with two swamps with a ton of creatures barreling down his throat.

I'm glad to see this shit happens to other people too >:(

[divisionbyzorro]

Is it just me, or does the thought of drafting AVR/AVR/AVR not sound very exciting?

I know some people here have done it; I haven't yet, but it doesn't look to be terribly interesting. Maybe I'm wrong though (I hope I am).

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Look at this poor guy with two swamps with a ton of creatures barreling down his throat. I'm glad to see this shit happens to other people too >:(

It's because he's a noob. It's never happened to me... Never...

["God's Beard!"]

you have 2 prismatic omens and absolutely need them to win. http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...x?name=Reclaim

My token infinite isn't good enough?

Could also run Eternal Witness.

Way too expensive :-(

[WanderingWind]

What an asswhuppin'

Guess this "Finkel" guy is alright at MTG...

[The Technomancer]

Is it just me, or does the thought of drafting AVR/AVR/AVR not sound very exciting? I know some people here have done it; I haven't yet, but it doesn't look to be terribly interesting. Maybe I'm wrong though (I hope I am).

I found it a lot of fun when I did it last week. I can definitely see how the set would look boring to draft though, I just know that everyone in my group had a good time.

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

What an asswhuppin' Guess this "Finkel" guy is alright at MTG...

He's in the hall of fame!

I found it a lot of fun when I did it last week. I can definitely see how the set would look boring to draft though, I just know that everyone in my group had a good time.

What do people who think it looks boring make it look worse than the other sets like when it was innistrad/dark accension?

[Venfayth]

I really want this promo Killing Wave:



The Latch Seeker is cool, too.

[divisionbyzorro]

What do people who think it looks boring make it look worse than the other sets like when it was innistrad/dark accension?

A lot of it is fear of Miracles. The power level between the colors seems pretty lopsided too.

I could definitely be wrong. I won't get a chance to draft it until it hits MTGO, so I'll hold off on being too judgmental until then.

[The Technomancer]

What do people who think it looks boring make it look worse than the other sets like when it was innistrad/dark accension?

I know going into the pre-release I thought that white was going to be so dominant that there wouldn't be many interesting strategies, but that was definitely wrong.

[WanderingWind]

I really want this promo Killing Wave: The Latch Seeker is cool, too.

Wow! How the hell do I get those???

[Hex]

Wow! How the hell do I get those???

Game day events at the end of the month.
Everyone gets the spirit for showing up, top 8 gets the Killing Wave

[echoshifting]

Wow! How the hell do I get those???

Play on Game Day!

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

A lot of it is fear of Miracles. The power level between the colors seems pretty lopsided too. I could definitely be wrong. I won't get a chance to draft it until it hits MTGO, so I'll hold off on being too judgmental until then.

Dunno, I think the only weak color is black... R/W and G/B are both awesome combos and other things in between but those two I went 4-0 and 3-1 and were high ranking. Black is ok, if you have the rares to support it but is the only color I'm sad about using.

[WanderingWind]

Game day events at the end of the month. Everyone gets the spirit for showing up, top 8 gets the Killing Wave

Play on Game Day!

O.o

I may actually show up for that.

[Venfayth]

TEMPORAL MASTERY

["God's Beard!"]

Ok, I changed my deck. I got rid of all the Coalition Victory stuff, added some cheap cards to assist my combos, swapped from green to blue and traded mana ramping for counterspells and the deck is only 37 bucks!

All cards are under 1.25, all mana costs 4 or less :-)

TEMPORAL MASTERY

:-o

[Haly]

Haly, looking at your U/B spirits deck and I got to say, Honor of the Pure really isn't interchangeable with Intangible Virtue in that deck. All your stuff except your Captain and Monk are tokens! Vigilance! It's the new wave!

In an early incarnation of the deck I ran 4 Honor of the Pures and 4 Intangible Virtues.

I prefer Honor if for no other reason than to make my Drogskol shockproof but Intangible Virtue probably is better.