[kirblar]

I paid $16 for my 4 Bonfires. $24 for my Thragtusks.

Preorders are a very good thing if you learn to pay attention to price movements.

Bonfire is definitely the XF3 Wesker of the game right now.

[Hero]

It's kind of funny seeing a mono-red card being so stupidly high in price. With that said I think it might be at its peak.

I'm kind of wondering if it will be poised well in standard after Scars block rotates out. Gonna be a big shake up.

[narcosis219]

It's kind of funny seeing a mono-red card being so stupidly high in price. With that said I think it might be at its peak. I'm kind of wondering if it will be poised well in standard after Scars block rotates out. Gonna be a big shake up.

See, a topdeck fireball everything seems to work in the vast majority of matchups. Unless stuffy doll becomes the new delver, damage be damage and will always be good

[kirblar]

It's not even mono-red, though, its just 1 Red. That's why it's so busted. Naya Aggro plays like, 10 red sources total for it, but its not even an issue.

[divisionbyzorro]

It's kind of funny seeing a mono-red card being so stupidly high in price. With that said I think it might be at its peak. I'm kind of wondering if it will be poised well in standard after Scars block rotates out. Gonna be a big shake up.

It will be even better after rotation, because right now it actually has some competition from Whipflare and Slagstorm in certain types of decks. The red sweepers in Innistrad block are either absurdly bad (Rolling Temblor) or just entirely too situational (Blasphemous Act).

[WanderingWind]

Like Hero said, it's about time a red card got printed that was stupidly useful. If you're building with blue, why not snapcaster...if building with red, why not bonfire? It's always useful.

[OnPoint]

Like Hero said, it's about time a red card got printed that was stupidly useful. If you're building with blue, why not snapcaster...if building with red, why not bonfire? It's always useful.

Indeed. And I wish I could afford to pick yours up, but $35 a piece is just too much to ask haha It's SUCH a good card though. I gotta find myself some cheap Entreats in the meantime.

[Keru_Shiri]

Currently playing UR delver. It started as a copy of Todd Anderson's RUG Delver, but dryad just wasn't cutting it, and augur of bolas is just stupid good at carrying runechanter's pike. As for bots, I use AlphaBot, BcCardBot and _BestPrice_ for buying from, and TheBuyBot for selling to.

U/R Delver is such a fun deck, especially with Invisible Stalker. Swinging for 9 unblockable and hexproof just seems so unfair.

[WanderingWind]

Indeed. And I wish I could afford to pick yours up, but $35 a piece is just too much to ask haha It's SUCH a good card though. I gotta find myself some cheap Entreats in the meantime.

If you promise to play with them, and not just resell, I'd be willing to work out an amicable trade. They're wasting away in my house. I only get to play in a store maybe once a month now.

[OnPoint]

After rotation, based on Avacyn block and M13, what do you guys think will replace the Ichor and Mycosynth Wellsprings for card draw in an artifact control deck?

If you promise to play with them, and not just resell, I'd be willing to work out an amicable trade. They're wasting away in my house. I only get to play in a store maybe once a month now.

Oh, we are going to talk about this via PM my friend.

[divisionbyzorro]

After rotation, based on Avacyn block and M13, what do you guys think will replace the Ichor and Mycosynth Wellsprings for card draw in an artifact control deck?

I don't think that artifact control will even be a thing after rotation.

[OnPoint]

I don't think that artifact control will even be a thing after rotation.

That's what I was scared of. I wonder if it's going to nullify Trading Post in standard if that's the case.

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Moments later... The mark of a true addict.

:lol I meant to drop that on the physical game and then have to do it online also since I have none of the cards online either.

Indeed. And I wish I could afford to pick yours up, but $35 a piece is just too much to ask haha It's SUCH a good card though. I gotta find myself some cheap Entreats in the meantime.

Ya, and it's so high it really can't go much higher so I guess I'll just avoid it until ravnica and see if it drops at all. It can only lose value at this point but if you play red even in the smallest capacity then you pretty much need it. Or doing yourself a big disservice if you don't.

[joelseph]

Any thoughts on my Boros deck would be appreciated.

[OnPoint]

Ya, and it's so high it really can't go much higher so I guess I'll just avoid it until ravnica and see if it drops at all. It can only lose value at this point but if you play red even in the smallest capacity then you pretty much need it. Or doing yourself a big disservice if you don't.

It's good enough to splash red in for. It's pretty much single-handedly the reason I went Naya Pod instead of just GW pod.

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

It's good enough to splash red in for. It's pretty much single-handedly the reason I went Naya Pod instead of just GW pod.

It definitely is but I only have one and I just can't justify buying one at $40 or a shitload of packs hoping to open one. :/

[Jarate]

fuck, how come whenever I play with my red/white someone always pulls out a sword of war and peace

can't wait for that card to leave standard

[WanderingWind]

fuck, how come whenever I play with my red/white someone always pulls out a sword of war and peace can't wait for that card to leave standard

lol. Me too...though I hate Wurmcoil much, much more. How did they ever think that card was fair? Counter or O-Ring is the only way to get rid of it. And now with trading post? GAH

[Jarate]

what's everyones name on MTGO btw

mine's GuanYu if you want to add me to your buddy list

[Sinatar]

Yea I can't wait for the rotation.

No more Titans, Wurmcoil, Batterskull, Swords.

So sick of all those cards.

[narcosis219]

Yea I can't wait for the rotation. No more Titans, Wurmcoil, Batterskull, Swords. So sick of all those cards.

Definitely.

But I sure am going to miss Phyrexian Mana. =(

[WanderingWind]

Definitely. But I sure am going to miss Phyrexian Mana. =(

I thought so too, but I stopped using all PM cards. I don't main Gut Shot, Dismember or Metamorph...so meh.

But Mortarpod = WW am cry.

[Keru_Shiri]

Yea I can't wait for the rotation. No more Titans, Wurmcoil, Batterskull, Swords. So sick of all those cards.

On the flip side, I'm going to miss Koth, Galvanic Blast, Shrine of Burning Rage, Incinerate, & Chandra's Phoenix. :(

[WanderingWind]

On the flip side, I'm going to miss Koth, Galvanic Blast, Shrine of Burning Rage, Incinerate, & Chandra's Phoenix. :(

Shrine too. Also the Goblin Lord that is making gobs a viable deck for about 2 months.

[Venfayth]

I'm excited to have all that Phyrexian stuff rotate out, because this upcoming rotation will finally be all cards that I am familiar with :)

No more random Myrs appearing and making me wonder wtf kind of deck this person is playing.

[Jarate]

hopefully they'll reprint Lightning Helix for when they release Boros

That card would make my deck way better

Also, Ive made my r/w hoomie deck way better, and have been testing it in MTGO

Ive pooped on most of the decks I've played, the only time ive lost is when a green mana ramp got a sword of war and peace, or when I got mana screwed

I hate getting mana screwed btw

[Jarate]

Also, why didn't anyone make a Myracle Deck around Entreat/Bonfire with the myrs that give mana

The Pun alone is worth the shittiness of the deck

[Volimar]

So, ever since we had that days long power outage here in Ohio, my family has gotten back into M:tG. A week or so ago, I was given Venser's planeswalker deck as a gift. And Venser has an ability that creates an Emblem. I was unfamiliar with this kind of card so I looked it up. Apparently, it's not a permanent, it's pretty much just a floating ability that can't be removed because there are no cards that target emblems. My source is kind of old, but is this still the case? Also, if Venser is destroyed or leaves play, does the emblem remain?

An update to my earlier question. Is there anything stopping me from using his ability to put an emblem into play twice, assuming I could pay the cost again? So that every time I cast a spell I would exile two permanents?

[Venfayth]

An update to my earlier question. Is there anything stopping me from using his ability to put an emblem into play twice, assuming I could pay the cost again? So that every time I cast a spell I would exile two permanents?

The only problem is that the game would usually be over far before that point :D

But yes, if you can get two of his emblems out, it would work that way. There's no rule that prevents it.

[Jarate]

An update to my earlier question. Is there anything stopping me from using his ability to put an emblem into play twice, assuming I could pay the cost again? So that every time I cast a spell I would exile two permanents?

In magic EVERYTHING STACKS

[kirblar]

An update to my earlier question. Is there anything stopping me from using his ability to put an emblem into play twice, assuming I could pay the cost again? So that every time I cast a spell I would exile two permanents?

Yup. I've actually had this happen before, it was a Caw-blade v Mono-Red match and we both flooded on lands, so I had to basically wait him out to kill any creature he played at instant speed. Then I got a Hawk and Geddon'd him.

[Volimar]

Thanks guys.

[Haly]

So what happened to turn Bonfire from a meh mythic miracle to the must have card of AVR?

[narcosis219]

So what happened to turn Bonfire from a meh mythic miracle to the must have card of AVR?

People realized that a splashable free board wipe paired with direct damage is kind of game breaking.

[Venfayth]

So what happened to turn Bonfire from a meh mythic miracle to the must have card of AVR?

Just trying it I guess?

That's the thing that intrigues me so much about most competitive games. Meta-game changes are really bizarre. All the cards are still the same as they were when the set was released, but people using the cards in different ways changes the relative value of every other card.

[narcosis219]

Just trying it I guess? That's the thing that intrigues me so much about most competitive games. Meta-game changes are really bizarre. All the cards are still the same as they were when the set was released, but people using the cards in different ways changes the relative value of every other card.

The most epic example of this is Super Turbo where for like 15 years, T.Hawk was the lowest tier character in the game. One technique discovered a decade and a half later and he is top tier.

[Keru_Shiri]

So what happened to turn Bonfire from a meh mythic miracle to the must have card of AVR?

Prevalence of token-based decks. Though I thought it was always a hot rare.

[WanderingWind]

So what happened to turn Bonfire from a meh mythic miracle to the must have card of AVR?

It was neve a meh mythic. The MGS Forums went NUTS over that one.

I mean, a fireball that hits your opponents board, all his critters, gets around hexproof and has literally no downside for you to use? Also, splashable?

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS.

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I'm really interested what first set in ravnica will have. So much good removal rotating out, especially sweepers or ever spot removal. Should be very interesting how you deal with stuff in a couple months.

So what happened to turn Bonfire from a meh mythic miracle to the must have card of AVR?

Was it ever meh? It's a board wipe that only affects the opponent AND deals damage to them directly. I wonder if it will go up in price since slagstorm will be gone... But slagstorm is so rarely used instead now I doubt it should have much effect.

[kirblar]

So what happened to turn Bonfire from a meh mythic miracle to the must have card of AVR?

I thought it was meh.

First day of playtesting showed us I was completely wrong when I saw how it played in Ramp.

[WanderingWind]

I'm really interested what first set in ravnica will have. So much good removal rotating out, especially sweepers or ever spot removal. Should be very interesting how you deal with stuff in a couple months.

Bu bu bu ... Murder!?

[OnPoint]

So what happened to turn Bonfire from a meh mythic miracle to the must have card of AVR?

People thought Bonfire was meh?

[Haly]

I thought so? It was the XXR cost that was really getting to people from what I remember.

[Keru_Shiri]

3-5 mana to wipe out a bunch of tokens and dome the opponent while your creatures stay safe is a rock-solid deal. Getting that effect for 3 mana or less is ridiculous.

[f0rk]

It's still not good as Slagstorm/Whipflare in control as you want to hold it for when you really need it or they overextend. But the format is all about aggressive creature decks right now so having it only wipe their side is huge.

[OnPoint]

I thought so? It was the XXR cost that was really getting to people from what I remember.

I think people were still unsure about how Miracles worked if that was the case. Also keep in mind that most people were glossed up on Temporal Mastery, which wasn't as game-breaking as predicted.

[Keru_Shiri]

I think Entreat the Angels and Terminus are the only other ones that see regular play. It's my personal opinion that Revenge of the Hunted is criminally underrated.

[f0rk]

I think Entreat the Angels and Terminus are the only other ones that see regular play. It's my personal opinion that Revenge of the Hunted is criminally underrated.

Bonfire does the same thing but is better when you are behind.

[kirblar]

I think Entreat the Angels and Terminus are the only other ones that see regular play. It's my personal opinion that Revenge of the Hunted is criminally underrated.

Entreat only sees play in dedicated Miracle decks. Terminus sees a bit more though.

Revenge is very, very good in U/G infect.

[Haly]

I think people were still unsure about how Miracles worked if that was the case. Also keep in mind that most people were glossed up on Temporal Mastery, which wasn't as game-breaking as predicted.

Ah right, I guess it did overshadow all other Miracles.