Zaptruder said:It seems strange if you believe people are absolute masters of their own destiny unaffected by their environments and surroundings, and that when they commit wrong it is because they're innately evil and must be severely punished for it.
From an economic stand point, where rehabilitation is cheaper and more productive than expensive penal environments (even if the expenses aren't been placed into prisoner comfort) that unintentionally but aggressively promote recidivism... then it kinda makes sense.
The loss of freedom is disincentive enough for most to not commit crimes, irrespective of the decent standard of comfort within a swedish jail.
It might be cheaper than a hotel... but when you can't leave it for the next 5 years under any circumstances, then you might not quite feel quite so chuffed about the free stay.
cybamerc said:That is nothing. I present to you the next state prison to be built in Denmark. Budgeted price DKK 1B/EUR 134M/USD 188M... off course in the end it'll be more expensive. Sometimes I get so frustrated with this country. Building a resort for criminals *smh*.
http://dagensdesign.dk/index/blog/Optegnelser/2010/12/16_C.F._Mller_wins_new_prison_building_files/FFCVI06.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://dagensdesign.dk/index/blog/Optegnelser/2010/12/16_C.F._Mller_wins_new_prison_building_files/FFSIT05.jpg[IMG]
[url]http://dagensdesign.dk/index/blog/Optegnelser/2010/12/16_C.F._Mller_wins_new_prison_building.html[/url][/QUOTE]
[Sheep pounding joke]
Lackmus said:Just to clarify for non-sweds:
this is a "häkte" (dont know the name in english) where the police brings you to if a prosecutor thinks you are guilty. You spend the nights there until court, if you finally are sentenced for a crime and punished for prison-time, you end up in a "fängelse" (prison) and the rooms in those buildings are problably not that nice like these ones.
AAequal said:Scandinavia is once again ahead. Well behaved prisoners are granted with vacations. Literally the prisoner can go home for a weekend and then he comes back. Some prisoners even attend to normal collages I know this is a case in Finland and Sweden, not sure about the rest.
Lackmus said:Just to clarify for non-sweds:
this is a "häkte" (dont know the name in english) where the police brings you to if a prosecutor thinks you are guilty. You spend the nights there until court, if you finally are sentenced for a crime and punished for prison-time, you end up in a "fängelse" (prison) and the rooms in those buildings are problably not that nice like these ones.
Prison should be a rehabilitating facility. Taking one´s freedom is punishment enough.cybamerc said:That is nothing. I present to you the next state prison to be built in Denmark. Budgeted price DKK 1B/EUR 134M/USD 188M... off course in the end it'll be more expensive. Sometimes I get so frustrated with this country. Building a resort for criminals *smh*.
Fjolle said:[Sheep pounding joke]
54-46! said:Meanwhile, schools are closing down everywhere.. I love seeing the tax I pay being put to good use!
Second said:I want to become a criminal now.
Zaptruder said:I assume they assess the likelihood of a person to threaten the public or cause harm again.
If the person has a very low chance (i.e. what they did was once off), then again, using the economic argument, allowing the 'prisoner' to pursue a relatively normal life in the long term allows for better return on investments on these people.
It's a pretty out there idea... that the prison system is a an institution for rehabilitating dysfunctional members of society, providing them with stable environment and opportunities to help redress the environmental (and even psychological) causes of their dysfunction.
OTOH, the American style of punitive punishment is so ingrained in most of you at a societal level that you instantly think it's the stupidest thing you've ever heard... despite the results proving dramatically differently otherwise.
moonspeak said:So is it possible for one to go to jail for theft of an expensive flat-screen tv and basically up with a room with a potentially expensive flat-screen tv?
There was a guy from Estonia last year, who came to Sweden and killed some random guy to be able to sit in these prisons. Not sure if they counted on that to happen when building these hotels.
Not like anyone gives a shit, the schools are nearly as bad as american schools due to your tax loving parties <354-46! said:Meanwhile, schools are closing down everywhere.. I love seeing the tax I pay being put to good use!
No, I think that's a dishonest argument. Surely it didn't have to be exactly that nice, but I'm sure the cost difference wouldn't have been huge. Building a new jail would have been needed eventually anyway, that's my guess at least.Casp0r said:Anyone else find this insulting to the honest good citizens in that country struggling to make their way in such a tough economy?
Binabik15 said:I don´t think so. At least in Germany, the rehabilitation should be focus of prison/punishment should be focus of prison is over a century old and our penal system flip flopped quite a bit.
In general I´m more pro-rehab and pro-Freigänger (prisosners who can get out for a few hours/days, would "day release prisoner" be correct?), but there´s always the chance of letting the wrong guys out. Especially when female psychologists get all in wuuuv with male inmates, which happens not that often, but often enough.
Still better than locking up potheads for years in rape-dungeons, though.
You'll always find loonies who kill for whatever reasons.TheSeks said:HandcuffsinSunset.gif?
WTF. WTF.
This is why you do the US jails, damn it. :|
No need for rehabilitation if we have capital punishment for everyone!Kurtofan said:You'll always find loonies who kill for whatever reasons.
It's like saying "let's ban all video games because it makes some people violent".
Prison should be about loss of freedom and rehabilitation, no creating a living hell.
Kurtofan said:You'll always find loonies who kill for whatever reasons.
It's like saying "let's ban all video games because it makes some people violent".
Prison should be about loss of freedom and rehabilitation, no creating a living hell.
Yes.Casp0r said:Anyone else find this insulting to the honest good citizens in that country struggling to make their way in such a tough economy?
Norway is great!Articate said:
Social security.Stabbie said:How does that rehabilitate the prisoners? Once they're out they can return to their dump (or they don't have a home at all) with no job, and even if they find a job, they'll never be able to afford something as nice as those cells.
Shanadeus said:Social security.
Zaptruder said:It seems strange if you believe people are absolute masters of their own destiny unaffected by their environments and surroundings, and that when they commit wrong it is because they're innately evil and must be severely punished for it.
It gets you freedom though.Stabbie said:Social security won't get you something as nice as one of those cells.