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We have a similar one since 2 years (afaik) in the town Leoben. I live 20 min from it and it looks really fascinating. mostly made of glas, wood and steel.
Casp0r said:Anyone else find this insulting to the honest good citizens in that country struggling to make their way in such a tough economy?
There's something missing from this picture...iamaustrian said:
That's a problem with the robbers and not the Canadian system though, come on, no robber actually expects nor wants to go to jail.nyong said:I remember watching a video and reading an article about similar Canadian prisons. Apparently they have a significant problem in some areas with Americans crossing over to rob their homes as the "time" is much easier to swallow across the border.
How incredibly ignorant of you.threenote said:Incredibly stupid. Prison isn't supposed to be comfortable.
LQX said:When you get a setup like this for committing a crime it is luxury compared to many other prisons around the world. Prison should not be something you want to go back to if you fall on hard times.
nyong said:I remember watching a video and reading an article about similar Canadian prisons. Apparently they have a significant problem in some areas with Americans crossing over to rob their homes as the "time" is much easier to swallow across the border.
It's not fear, it's common sense. If parking tickets were $50 on 5th Street, but only $5 on 6th Street, do you think that this would impact where people chose to break the rules?empty vessel said:That's almost certainly not true. Sounds like typical fear-based propaganda.
nyong said:It's not fear, it's common sense. If parking tickets were $50 on 5th Street, but only $5 on 6th Street, do you think that this would impact where people chose to break the rules?
Ok, if the penalty were $1k on 5th Street versus $5 on 6th Street, do you think this would impact where people chose to break the rules? You'd have to be insane to argue no. And it's not automatically ''fear'' when talking about negative consequences, btw.empty vessel said:
Prisen said:Murderers are like <1% of criminals right? So what you're saying is that Sweden is doing a better job in your opinion in >99% of the cases.
empty vessel said:Why? Your authority alone is insufficient support for this proposition. Especially since you've essentially described murder as a product, at least in part, of factors outside an individual's control.
empty vessel said:Punishment can satisfy emotions in the person doling it out, but it doesn't actually solve any real problems.
trineo_feo said:Yeah, no. It's the opposite. In civilized countries, justice and prisons are precisely to rehabilitate the criminal and convert him into a valuable asset for society. If it were for punishment, then we would have death penalty everyday in front of an audience, like in the Middle Ages.
nyong said:Ok, if the penalty were $1k on 5th Street versus $5 on 6th Street, do you think this would impact where people chose to break the rules? You'd have to be insane to argue no. And it's not automatically ''fear'' when talking about negative consequences, btw.
ConfusingJazz said:Yup.
Small, ethnically homogeneous population centrally located around 1 or 2 major population centers.
Weenerz said:You know, that actually sounds like a great place to break the law. Live there rent free for the rest of your life with food, bedding, television and video games? Where do I sign up?
Just to clarify for non-sweds:
this is a "häkte" (dont know the word in english) where the police brings you to if a prosecutor thinks you are guilty. You spend the nights there until court, if you finally are sentenced for a crime and punished for prison-time, you end up in a "fängelse" (prison) and the rooms in those buildings are problably not that nice like these ones.
Sweden probably have one of the highest immigration rates in teh world.tnsply100 said:Sounds like an argument against immigration that will break that homogeneity.
Does Sweden have significant immigration? Any problems? (I've read articles about some problems - but trying to get first hand info from someone who lives there) Or are they not interested like Japan?
So we should just replace jailtime with the death penalty? Interesting idea.-viper- said:fuck that shit.
all prisoners should be killed.
what a fucking joke sweden are.
lets give these murders and rapists complete luxury and entertainment. fucking great.
Lackmus said:Just to clarify for non-sweds:
this is a "häkte" (dont know the word in english) where the police brings you to if a prosecutor thinks you are guilty. You spend the nights there until court, if you finally are sentenced for a crime and punished for prison-time, you end up in a "fängelse" (prison) and the rooms in those buildings are problably not that nice like these ones.
Rapstah said:Again, I'm not sure where the video games allowed/plenty of TVs info is coming from. It's certainly not mentioned in the Swedish article.
tnsply100 said:Sounds like an argument against immigration that will break that homogeneity.
Does Sweden have significant immigration? Any problems? (I've read articles about some problems - but trying to get first hand info from someone who lives there) Or are they not interested like Japan?
Shanadeus said:Sweden probably have one of the highest immigration rates in teh world.
They took in more Iraqi asylum seekers than the USA for an example.
There aren't any significant problems associated with these immigrants but there is a pretty widespread anti-immigrant sentimentality growing that a particular right-wing party has capitalized on to move their nationalist/Christian-platform forward.
Shanadeus said:Sweden probably have one of the highest immigration rates in teh world.
They took in more Iraqi asylum seekers than the USA for an example.
There aren't any significant problems associated with these immigrants but there is a pretty widespread anti-immigrant sentimentality growing that a particular right-wing party has capitalized on to move their nationalist/Christian-platform forward.
jakonovski said:I for one would much rather get stabbed in the eye by a hardened criminal than even risk rehabilitating them through humane treatment!
Manager said:http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/1.1160148/speciella-tv-spel-kops-in-till-fangar
Hundreds of consoles bought from Nintendo and Sony, with de-activated Internet features and game saves. Can't find the article confirming the buy but I read they went through with it.
Something Wicked said:Oh really? So, Malmö's crime rate hasn't skyrocketed in recent years?
I wouldn't say that it has "skyrocketed" but that has less to do with immigration itself and more to do with low socioeconomic standard and high unemployment in a few select districts which contribute greatly to the overall rising crime rate in Malmö.Something Wicked said:Oh really? So, Malmö's crime rate hasn't skyrocketed in recent years?
Corky said:Welp, I know where I'm going if KTH refuse my applications!
This is nonsense. The law distinguishes between premeditated murder and impulsive murder for a reason. A home invasion often requires careful planning to carry out. It's not like most robbers randomly pick a home without consideration for time of day or whether the owners are home. Why? Because they don't want to get caught. Why? Because they go to jail. So? Jail isn't fun. Take a look at the three strikes laws. For the third strike, people know the consequences plateau (i.e. they're screwed whether it's a candy bar or a bank robbery) and therefore usually go for broke.empty vessel said:People typically both do not know nor consider penalties when committing crimes. If they believed they would be caught, they wouldn't commit them in almost all instances. This is more true as the severity of the crime increases. Most crimes are borne of a mix of opportunity and desperation, not calmly-considered risk-benefit analyses. Indeed, people who commit crimes are disproportionately mentally ill and cognitively impaired.
They have significant immigration and also significant immigration problems. Take a look at Malmo. It's basically an Escape From New York-esque prison. Ambulances usually don't even visit the place without a police escort. Suffice to say, alot of crime there goes unpunished.tnsply100 said:Does Sweden have significant immigration? Any problems? (I've read articles about some problems - but trying to get first hand info from someone who lives there) Or are they not interested like Japan?
Sealda said:Dont be racist, there is nothing wrong with Sweden Everything is just like it always been. Perfect, yes. Its perfect, everybody lives side by side in harmony in Sweden and sings We Shall Overcome. Anyone who says anything else is a Racist.
Corky said:Huh? I don't see how pointing out if there's a lot of crime in malmö is a racist? On the other hand if you try to rationalize your ( "your" as in the general term ) racism by pointing out the high immigrant percentage...
Can you explain the US's recidivism rates then?Vilam said:What a ridiculous waste of money. You're reformed by the deterrent of going to a shitty jail again. Coddling prisoners is a joke, prison should always be a punishment.
Madness. Literally an incentive to commit crimes.There was a guy from Estonia last year, who came to Sweden and killed some random guy to be able to sit in these prisons. Not sure if they counted on that to happen when building these hotels.
Manager said:It surely was teh irony. Swedish politicians won't touch the subject with a 10 foot pole though. And they actually went to a heavy immigrant populated area and tried to sing "We Shall Overcome".
Immigration minister:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQakZce3GhQ#t=01m30s
It's easy to understand the response, even though it's in Swedish. One of the most hilarious happenings in Swedish politics.
"Hello! HELLO! Now I think we together in this room should sing We Shall Overcome"
Worth pointing out that this was a press conference in response to serial killer that had been terrorizing immigrants:Manager said:It surely was teh irony. Swedish politicians won't touch the subject with a 10 foot pole though. And they actually went to a heavy immigrant populated area and tried to sing "We Shall Overcome".
Immigration minister:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQakZce3GhQ#t=01m30s
It's easy to understand the response, even though it's in Swedish. One of the most hilarious happenings in Swedish politics.
"Hello! HELLO! Now I think we together in this room should sing We Shall Overcome"
Det blev ett stormigt möte när Carl Bildt och Birgit Friggebo gjorde ett PR-besök i Rinkeby. Den senaste tidens attentat mot invandrare av den så kallade lasermannen föranledde en upprörd diskussion i Folkets hus. Ur Rapport 1992-02-05. Se fler klipp på svt.se/oppetarkiv
That's just plain wrong.nyong said:They have significant immigration and also significant immigration problems. Take a look at Malmo. It's basically an Escape From New York-esque prison. Ambulances usually don't even visit the place without a police escort. Suffice to say, alot of crime there goes unpunished.
SneakyStephan said:Put a dog in an empty cellar for a few years and have it play with your baby afterwards if you trust the US system so much, and let darwin do his thing.
talk about the value of liberty to a starving homeless man who gets access to a nice conditioned room with television, access to a gym and food if he gets convicted and gets sent thereempty vessel said:I doubt very seriously that you would want to return to a state of affairs in which your liberty is deprived. In short, what you're saying just isn't factually true. I don't know why you think these pictures change that. If you would trade your liberty just to use some Ikea furniture, then I think that just speaks to your own warped values.
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Yeah, it's the same thing is many US cities. I don't think that containing large numbers of different people counts as multiculturalism. I don't think that treating immigration like a zoo exhibit is a glowing endorsement of their methods of cultural integration. Really, most of the West is like this unfortunately. It's nothing new....take a look at the Jewish populations in France a few hundred years back. Large numbers of people clammored for integration into French society. Integration failed to bring about conformity. Restrictions and oppression followed. History is basically repeating itself there, albeit with Muslims instead.Shanadeus said:This is essentially like saying that New York is basically an Escape From New York-esque prison just because there's a high crime rate in some areas where ambulances don't even visit without a police escort (and this last bit sound almost like something out of Fox News)
its where you go while on trial or for minor offenses with short term sentences.ThoseDeafMutes said:What is a "Jail"?
Orayn said:I propose we continue to ignore the fact that the pictures in the OP post aren't of a prison and carry on with armchair criminology-GAF.
Shanadeus said:Worth pointing out that this was a press conference in response to serial killer that had been terrorizing immigrants:
You don't sing "We shall overcome" when a serial killer is on the loose.
That's just plain wrong.
There are problems in a select, few areas ranging from a neighbourhood in size to a small district of the city.
SnakeswithLasers said:Can you explain the US's recidivism rates then?
nyong said:Yeah, it's the same thing is many US cities. I don't think that containing large numbers of different people counts as multiculturalism. I don't think that treating immigration like a zoo exhibit is a glowing endorsement of their methods of cultural integration. Really, most of the West is like this unfortunately. It's nothing new....take a look at the Jewish populations in France a few hundred years back. Large numbers of people clammored for integration into French society. Integration failed to bring about conformity. Restrictions and oppression followed. History is basically repeating itself there, albeit with Muslims instead.
Shanadeus said:That's just plain wrong.
There are problems in a select, few areas ranging from a neighbourhood in size to a small district of the city.
This is essentially like saying that New York is basically an Escape From New York-esque prison just because there's a high crime rate in some areas where ambulances don't even visit without a police escort (and this last bit sound almost like something out of Fox News)