[Timedog]

I will read them. However, can someone please explain to me why people should deprive their bodies of food for hours on end to only feed themselves the same amount of calories as a person who consistently provides their body the same amount of protein, carbs, vtitamins, etc? Especially when they are doing intense physical activity for atleast an hour 4-5 days a week. Pardon my ignorance, but fasting just seems like a good way to fucking up your

What makes it a bad idea or unhealthy? Do you think we evolved with an abundance of food available at all times so we could eat every couple hours? Quite the opposite. You haven't shown why fasting is bad. Your reasoning seems to be just stuff you made up. I'm not understanding what negative effects you think will happen with fasting.

[despire]

I will read them. However, can someone please explain to me why people should deprive their bodies of food for hours on end to only feed themselves the same amount of calories as a person who consistently provides their body the same amount of protein, carbs, vtitamins, etc? Especially when they are doing intense physical activity for atleast an hour 4-5 days a week. Pardon my ignorance, but fasting just seems like a good way to fucking up your

The point is that when you have not eaten for several hours, your body is much more insulin sensitive etc. and the post workout nutrients will be used much more efficiently for building your muscles and less goes to your waistline. Also your body burns effectively fat during the last hours of your fast because it doesn't have any carbs to use for fuel. Muscle loss isn't an realistic fear if you are eating enough protein since your body starts to eat away your muscles for protein only after 3 days of fasting at the earliest. And the 16 hours might sound like a lot, but most of it is spend sleeping anyway. Just skip breakfast and eat and cycle your protein/carbs/fat like the guide says, it's that simple.

Cutting with fasting is also easier for many people since your body quickly grows accustomed to the new meal times and you won't necessarily even get hungry while fasting.

If we compare two people who are on a cut, one of whom is fasting and the other who isn't we can easily see how the fasting might be more of an easy way: If both are eating let's say 2000 calories and the intermittent faster is eating only two meals while the "normal" dude is eating for example your typical five meals. The five meal guy gets to eat only 400 or so calories per meal which leaves many graving for more food and constantly miserable. The guy who is fasting on the other hand gets to eat 1000 calorie meals which are much more fulfilling and satisfying. And since his body is accustomed to fasting, he doesn't even get hungry during the day and can stuff his face with foor during the evening.

That's just one practical example why fasting might be better for some people who are trying to lose weight. Worked for me very well for example. There are myriad of other health related reasons which make fasting a good alternative at least.

Granted, it's not for everybody but you should think about it. And I would be careful not to add too much cardio since people usually go overboard with it and too much cardio is actually not helping in anyway. Most of the fat loss should come from lowered calorie intake and you can add some light cardio (walking) if you want. But looking at your work amount, you might get enough walking as it is.

Also a good site with lot of info: http://rippedbody.jp/category/english/

[OG Kush]

Mully, if you want to cut have you looked into the slow-carb diet? It's basically no "white" carbs such as any bread, any rice, any potatoes, cereal, fruits, fried food with breading. Except you can have these carbs within 30 mins of a workout.
But you can eat carbs from vegetables legumes such as lentils, black beans, red beans, borlottis beans and soy beans. Also good to take one day a week off (cheat day) and eat whatever. Don't drink calories.
Look into it if you're interested.

[Mr.City]

To answer Mully's question, it does a whole number of good things for your hormones as listed in the one of the posts above him. However, you are correct to assume that the starvation-style of of fasting is dangerous. Many people want it now and will do silly things to get their asinine goals (see the feeding tube diet...or rather, don't)

We are not delicate flowers who will wilt without food for a few hours of activity. For example, I did something known as a PSMF (protein sparing modified fast) where I went very low carb/ low cal. I was able to help people move, be active, and still train hard ( with reduced volume however.)

Personally, I like LG because I like having a big meal at the end of the day. It helps sate hunger and really let me get past the grilled chicken and rice palette that many dieters seem to get stuck in.

Oggie:

A professional bodybuilder physique? Yeah, by training and achieving that physique you're going to be at least somewhat strong. If you're eating and training and you're growing you'll get stronger regardless of whether or not you're doing BB rep ranges/exercises. Of course if you can only lift the bar right now, you're not going to have a professional bodybuilders physique "without gaining strength". That's so mindnumbingly obvious that it goes without even saying. I doubt there's a person that's smart enough to type and or sign up for an account on a forum that thinks that you can go from non-athlete to professional bodybuilder without gaining any strength. The real point is about whether strength should be a big priority, and that is completely person dependent.

And yet we have people on this forum who have a 225 bench after 5-10 years of training, wondering how to shock the body. There's a misconception here of strength training (i.e Starting Strength, Linear progression, etc) as being the only way to train or that it is the only path that one can take here.

If you've never lifted seriously before, you have the potential to gain muscle bodyweight very quickly. The best way to do this is with a LP program incorporating the full body movements. If you have no mass, no strength, then Starting Strength (or whatever non-iditoic variant) is just the building blocks of what is hopefully the rest of your training career. It teaches you how to lift heavy, how to pay attention to progression, regression and how volume/intensity affect those, how to keep tight, etc.

And to get back to your question, ( I seem to have gone off topic a bit) people who train "BB-style" (I put quotes there because many of these young bro-builders don't train like BBers) will get stronger, yes; however getting stronger by accident is not quite the same as someone who active pursues strength. Once again, I reference some of the posters here who think a 405 squat/ deadlift, 225 bench is the pinnacle of training after nearly a decade.

[Alienshogun]

Not worth fucking with it Mr. City, trust me.


Anyway, deload week ends tomorrow, thank god. It's been so boring this week, but at least I've been able to focus on running and situps.

Edit: Looks like I'll be doing my old 1rm for reps this week on bench (350 on 5/3/1 week).

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

lol

[grumble]

Not worth fucking with it Mr. City, trust me.

[Angry Fork]

What happens when you work out a LOT but don't have the food to compensate? I'm really skinny but can't afford large amounts of food intake right now, but I still want to workout. Am I just going to turn into some super skeleton?

[Srsly]

What happens when you work out a LOT but don't have the food to compensate? I'm really skinny but can't afford large amounts of food intake right now, but I still want to workout. Am I just going to turn into some super skeleton?

How can you not afford enough food? Rice and potatoes are dirt cheap

[Alienshogun]

What happens when you work out a LOT but don't have the food to compensate? I'm really skinny but can't afford large amounts of food intake right now, but I still want to workout. Am I just going to turn into some super skeleton?

No, you will simply stop progressing, plateau faster, overtrain quicker and become fatigued much more easily.

It all depends on your input to output though (how much you're actually not fueling yourself based on how hard you're working).

[OG Kush]

What about people in prison? it's not exactly liek they have the best nutrition yet many of them come out ripped /great shape. I listened to Freeway Ricky Ross ona podcast and he said he came out of prison with a 7% body fat, but it jsut took him longer than a normal person. He basically said even if your nutrition isnt good, your body will still grow, just take much longer.
But by him sating his nutrtion wasn't good, I'm not sure if he meant calories wise or ratio wise.

[Alienshogun]

What about people in prison? it's not exactly liek they have the best nutrition yet many of them come out ripped /great shape. I listened to Freeway Ricky Ross ona podcast and he said he came out of prison with a 7% body fat, but it jsut took him longer than a normal person. He basically said even if your nutrition isnt good, your body will still grow, just take much longer.

That's heavily influenced by genetics. I'm also under the impression that other food aside from what you get in the chow hall is attainable in prison.

Also, not all (and I would imagine most don't) people get "swole" in prison.

You also have to remember, the ones who do come out like that aren't doing much else other than sleeping, eating, and lifting.

[Srsly]

What happens when you work out a LOT but don't have the food to compensate? I'm really skinny but can't afford large amounts of food intake right now, but I still want to workout. Am I just going to turn into some super skeleton?

What are you generally eating?

[Angry Fork]

I can only afford small scale stuff like cans of tuna, corn, beans, rice, eggs etc. In that regard I can eat okay but I can't have hamburgers every day or other high protein meat. I'm looking to see what other foods are high protein that are cheap but there doesn't seem to be much. My job also doesn't have a stove so I have to eat things that are microwavable or can be prepared before-hand and saved in the fridge (I do this with eggs). I get the impression that without steak, hamburgers etc. relatively expensive foods I won't be able to make the gains I want.

[Srsly]

I can only afford small scale stuff like cans of tuna, corn, beans, rice, eggs etc. In that regard I can eat okay but I can't have hamburgers every day or other high protein meat. I'm looking to see what other foods are high protein that are cheap but there doesn't seem to be much. My job also doesn't have a stove so I have to eat things that are microwavable or can be prepared before-hand and saved in the fridge (I do this with eggs).

You don't need a billion grams of protein; it's much more important that you eat enough and keep your glycogen stores up to fuel you through your workouts. Carbs are actually anti-catabolic. Potatoes are a complete source of protein and they're cheap and can be prepared in a microwave.

[demon]

Since when are potatoes a good or complete source of protein? That's news to me.

[diamondstar]

4 really good things happened today, and 1 pretty bad thing happened today. First the good: 1. Got this girl's number at my last day of work today, and we're going to see the Avengers tonight hopefully. I'm so fucking glad she wants to see it lol. 2. I squatted 315x3x5 - with great form. Felt like a fucking boss. 3. I couldn't figure out what I should be deadlifting, since I did 315x1x5 the last 2 Fridays (deadlift day). Went with 345. And nailed it. I now understand why some people grunt haha. 4.I was nervous about bench, since I barely got 185x3x5 last time with a spotter. So I was just gonna go 190 with a spotter, but couldn't find any goddamn 2.5lb weights. Ergo, 195. With a spotter. Fucking killed it the last 2 sets, only needed help on the first set last rep. Just one thing worries me: my left arm went up faster than my right arm, leading to the following bad thing: 1. Pretty sure I fucked up my shoulder. Not a tear, and I still have full range of motion, but it is a bit painful when I move it. Definitely gonna not use it for a week. But still, day full of being a boss. Oh, and I weighed myself after lifting - 175.6lbs. Feels good man.

Cool man..Seems me and you are on the same path except you are killing me in deadlifts. I will see how I do today. It is hard for me to judge how much I can lift with DL's. Like I feel I should be doing more but I care so much about form. It seems you can lose form so easy with deadlifts. It is the only lift I seem to struggle with.

[hawkshockey11]

Squatted 200 on Friday. Considering I weigh 155ish and only started weight lifting 2.5 months ago it is a big deal to me.

[Srsly]

Since when are potatoes a good or complete source of protein? That's news to me.

2,000 calories of potato provides ~55g of high quality protein. Supplement that with a can of tuna and/or a protein shake and that's more than adequate for someone without a lot of muscle mass.

[grumble]

2,000 calories of potato provides ~55g of high quality protein. Supplement that with a can of tuna and/or a protein shake and that's more than adequate for someone without a lot of muscle mass.

IF the skin is on.

I wouldn't eat 2k calories of potatoes though. That's gross.

[Piecake]

I can only afford small scale stuff like cans of tuna, corn, beans, rice, eggs etc. In that regard I can eat okay but I can't have hamburgers every day or other high protein meat. I'm looking to see what other foods are high protein that are cheap but there doesn't seem to be much. My job also doesn't have a stove so I have to eat things that are microwavable or can be prepared before-hand and saved in the fridge (I do this with eggs). I get the impression that without steak, hamburgers etc. relatively expensive foods I won't be able to make the gains I want.

Dont know if you eating it just because its cheap or because you think its somewhat nutritious, but in case you dont know, corn is actually pretty bad for you. One of the worst grains you can eat (no, it isnt a vegetable). Chomping on some whole wheat bread would be more healthy

[Silphonica]

I can only afford small scale stuff like cans of tuna, corn, beans, rice, eggs etc. In that regard I can eat okay but I can't have hamburgers every day or other high protein meat. I'm looking to see what other foods are high protein that are cheap but there doesn't seem to be much. My job also doesn't have a stove so I have to eat things that are microwavable or can be prepared before-hand and saved in the fridge (I do this with eggs). I get the impression that without steak, hamburgers etc. relatively expensive foods I won't be able to make the gains I want.

Read the OP and drink a gallon of milk a day. I've put on 3.5kg in over a week. My plan is, as I grow, i'll cut out some of the milk and replace it with proper food. Just eat as much as you can afford to when on that much milk.

[Srsly]

Dont know if you eating it just because its cheap or because you think its somewhat nutritious, but in case you dont know, corn is actually pretty bad for you. One of the worst grains you can eat (no, it isnt a vegetable). Chomping on some whole wheat bread would be more healthy

lol, corn is fine

[Piecake]

lol, corn is fine

not if you think you are actually eating a nutritious vegetable. If you know its a grain and treat it like a grain, then sure

[Hanzou]

2,000 calories of potato provides ~55g of high quality protein. Supplement that with a can of tuna and/or a protein shake and that's more than adequate for someone without a lot of muscle mass.

First off 2,000 calories of potatoes is a shit ton of potatoes.

[Srsly]

not if you think you are actually eating a nutritious vegetable. If you know its a grain and treat it like a grain, then sure

Proof? The nutritional profile of unrefined corn looks good to me.

[Seguin]

First off 2,000 calories of potatoes is a shit ton of potatoes.

Not that I agree with him, but potatoes are surprisingly energy dense. It's only like 6-7 big ones.

[Srsly]

First off 2,000 calories of potatoes is a shit ton of potatoes.

My point was that potatoes are a good, cheap source of nutrition. I didn't mean you should literally eat that many potatoes, although there are cultures that do. Some potatoes, some rice, some tuna, maybe a protein shake, some butter for fat added the potatoes and rice, that's pretty cheap and more than adequate.

[Piecake]

Proof? The nutritional profile of unrefined corn looks good to me.

really? all corn is a bunch of carbs with more sugar than the average grain while less nutritious at the same time. seems pretty shitty to me

[Srsly]

really? all corn is a bunch of carbs with more sugar than the average grain while less nutritious at the same time. seems pretty shitty to me

Carbs aren't a problem for most people, especially not a skinny motherfucker looking for enough energy to workout and not go catabolic. Corn has a good micronutrient profile, the sugar issue is a non-issue with the fiber content. And, uh, it's gluten free if you have an issue with gluten.

[Prologue]

I can only afford small scale stuff like cans of tuna, corn, beans, rice, eggs etc. In that regard I can eat okay but I can't have hamburgers every day or other high protein meat. I'm looking to see what other foods are high protein that are cheap but there doesn't seem to be much. My job also doesn't have a stove so I have to eat things that are microwavable or can be prepared before-hand and saved in the fridge (I do this with eggs). I get the impression that without steak, hamburgers etc. relatively expensive foods I won't be able to make the gains I want.

[Copernicus]

really? all corn is a bunch of carbs with more sugar than the average grain while less nutritious at the same time. seems pretty shitty to me

Corn.

So shitty, it doesn't even turn to shit.

[crimzonflame]

Hey guys do you think it can be effective to do this exercise with dumbbells and instead of a barbell? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgwbT7EQvUo

[Satan Claus]

Not that I agree with him, but potatoes are surprisingly energy dense. It's only like 6-7 big ones.

Potatoes have 71 kcal / 100gr. To get 2000 calories from them, you have to eat around 2,8 kilos. Good luck!

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Hey guys do you think it can be effective to do this exercise with dumbbells and instead of a barbell? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgwbT7EQvUo

what........the..........FUCK!?

[grumble]

Hey guys do you think it can be effective to do this exercise with dumbbells and instead of a barbell? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgwbT7EQvUo

Weighted decline situps are generally done with a dumbbell or plate, not a barbell. Holding it so low down also makes it much easier; you should ideally hold it behind your head (not a barbell).

[SaskBoy]

What time of the day do you guys go to the gym? I just started going a few weeks ago, usually go after work around 4. But damn is it always so busy then.

[Silphonica]

What time of the day do you guys go to the gym? I just started going a few weeks ago, usually go after work around 4. But damn is it always so busy then.

Usually start at 2 or 3. Hard to get a bench afterwards. It's a 24 hour gym though, but I go with my mates.

[kylej]

What time of the day do you guys go to the gym? I just started going a few weeks ago, usually go after work around 4. But damn is it always so busy then.

around 5 am. It's always pretty much me and one other girl in the free weight section, and a couple people on treadmills. Nice and quiet.

[CrankyJay]

What time of the day do you guys go to the gym? I just started going a few weeks ago, usually go after work around 4. But damn is it always so busy then.

7-7:30 before work. It's too busy afterwards and I like doing nothing after work.

[Gazzawa]

really? all corn is a bunch of carbs with more sugar than the average grain while less nutritious at the same time. seems pretty shitty to me

human were not meant to eat all that much corn.

[IGotBillySoSpooked]

What time of the day do you guys go to the gym? I just started going a few weeks ago, usually go after work around 4. But damn is it always so busy then.

Post work hours (4pm-6 or 7pm) have always been the busiest at any gym I've ever been to.

Off hours, in my experience, are very early, during the meat of the work day, or late at night. I used to go around 9 or 10pm to Bally's and the crowds were always small. Now, I try to get to the gym at 9 or 10am. Last Friday, I was one of three people at the gym at 10am.

There is nothing I like more than an empty gym.

[SaskBoy]

I think I'm going to have to start going later in the evening (around 8 PM or so). Which kind of sucks because I work on campus and go to the university gym after work.

But I'd rather have an empty gym.

[Petrie]

I workout at 10am, 2:30, or 9:30pm Sun-Fri, or sometimes like 5ish on Saturday as it is always slow as shit.

[CrankyJay]

I workout at 10am, 2:30, or 9:30pm Sun-Fri, or sometimes like 5ish on Saturday as it is always slow as shit.

You from the Buffalo area? Just wondering which gyms you prefer.

[J Tourettes]

I workout from about six - seven but seeing as it's in my garden it's never busy. When I used to go to the gym, even that didn't get too busy as it was predominantly a free weights gym which I assume put a lot of people off.

[Petrie]

You from the Buffalo area? Just wondering which gyms you prefer.

Yep. Best Fitness Buffalo. I go to the location on Eggert Road. Yourself?

[CrankyJay]

Yep. Best Fitness Buffalo. I go to the location on Eggert Road. Yourself?

Me? A fitness 19 in Depew/Lancaster. It's enough for what I need for now, especially since I only pay $13 a month total for myself and my wife, but I can see me going back to a bigger gym if my lifting continues to be successful.

I used to work out at a BAC off of Niagara Falls Blvd then the Eastern Hills one, but now I have a 3 minute drive to the gym and it rocks.

[BlueScrote]

Me? A fitness 19 in Depew/Lancaster. It's enough for what I need for now, especially since I only pay $13 a month total for myself and my wife, but I can see me going back to a bigger gym if my lifting continues to be successful. I used to work out at a BAC off of Niagara Falls Blvd then the Eastern Hills one, but now I have a 3 minute drive to the gym and it rocks.

This is the one I go to and I absolutely love it. The free weight area is massive and I generally don't have to wait for benches or squat racks even around 4:30-6 when I am there.

[Alienshogun]

Went to a graduation party and people I didn't even know were asking me where I worked out and shit. And a family member hadn't seen in a while was impressed with how I looked. Feels good bruh.

Squatted 200 on Friday. Considering I weigh 155ish and only started weight lifting 2.5 months ago it is a big deal to me.

Hell yeah man, good shit!

[Timedog]

And yet we have people on this forum who have a 225 bench after 5-10 years of training, wondering how to shock the body. There's a misconception here of strength training (i.e Starting Strength, Linear progression, etc) as being the only way to train or that it is the only path that one can take here. If you've never lifted seriously before, you have the potential to gain muscle bodyweight very quickly. The best way to do this is with a LP program incorporating the full body movements. If you have no mass, no strength, then Starting Strength (or whatever non-iditoic variant) is just the building blocks of what is hopefully the rest of your training career. It teaches you how to lift heavy, how to pay attention to progression, regression and how volume/intensity affect those, how to keep tight, etc. And to get back to your question, ( I seem to have gone off topic a bit) people who train "BB-style" (I put quotes there because many of these young bro-builders don't train like BBers) will get stronger, yes; however getting stronger by accident is not quite the same as someone who active pursues strength. Once again, I reference some of the posters here who think a 405 squat/ deadlift, 225 bench is the pinnacle of training after nearly a decade.

The person you're referencing wants to become stronger but likes his current size. He wants to train for strength now. That's not the same thing.

Not worth fucking with it Mr. City, trust me.

Either respond to me or leave well alone. This reply by proxy thing is incredibly childish.