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Barrel Cannon · (10-07-2011, 04:47 PM)

Originally Posted by Enosh:

I remember reading somewhere that people who actually tested it said that it feels great to use, no idea if that is true or not
although it still looks like shit

As a person who owns this prototype I just want to say this is untrue. The controller felt nice to hold but pressing the R2/L2 buttons was the the most unergonomic thing you could do.

T Ghost · (10-07-2011, 04:50 PM)

Originally Posted by Big Takeover:

Absolutely. It's got a hell of a lot higher WAF than a wheel/pedal setup.

As long as you keep expectations in check, of course. It can never be as good as a ffb wheel. Once you get through a short learning curve, I'd expect you to much prefer it to a controller though.

Thanks for the answer. What does "WAF" stands for?

Beer Monkey · (10-07-2011, 04:54 PM)

Wife acceptance factor.

LiK · (10-07-2011, 05:06 PM)

any reviews for this yet?

ghibli99 · (10-07-2011, 05:15 PM)

I'm looking forward to just being able to better control rotation on turns. I tried those SpeedFreek 'cups', and they help a little bit, but it's still kinda tap-tappy at the end of the day.

I have the MS wheel, but it takes up a lot of space on the desk I use, and the wires are messy. I can't wait to try this, which allows for more subtle steering control (like the oldschool NeGcon).

Originally Posted by Beer Monkey:

Wife acceptance factor.

Must remember this. :)

krpiper · (10-07-2011, 05:20 PM)

Originally Posted by LiK:

any reviews for this yet?

Yes, http://www.destructoid.com/review-xb...l-213215.phtml

also just about everythig Ive read seems positive. I am going to go pick one up after class today.

LiK · (10-07-2011, 05:22 PM)

Originally Posted by krpiper:

Yes, http://www.destructoid.com/review-xb...l-213215.phtml

also just about everythig Ive read seems positive. I am going to go pick one up after class today.

thanks

AlanzTalon · (10-07-2011, 05:27 PM)

Originally Posted by Big Takeover:

Absolutely. It's got a hell of a lot higher WAF than a wheel/pedal setup.

As long as you keep expectations in check, of course. It can never be as good as a ffb wheel. Once you get through a short learning curve, I'd expect you to much prefer it to a controller though.

yeah, i had the FFB wheel...but the combination of lugging it in and out of the closet and wife never wanting it left out really made it more trouble than it was worth. sold it on ebay.

but this...

SeaOfMadness · 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by krpiper:

Yes, http://www.destructoid.com/review-xb...l-213215.phtml

also just about everythig Ive read seems positive. I am going to go pick one up after class today.

Uhhh.. I'd hate to know what the automatic mode is:

Quote:

You'll have to use this pad for shifting gears in manual shit mode

Edit: Lol @ this comment: "Manual shit mode FTW, this will be a hit with the older generation!"

Big Takeover · (10-07-2011, 05:34 PM)

Originally Posted by AlanzTalon:

yeah, i had the FFB wheel...but the combination of lugging it in and out of the closet and wife never wanting it left out really made it more trouble than it was worth. sold it on ebay.

but this...

Now she thinks you're a dork, but she knew that already ;-)

krpiper · (10-07-2011, 05:34 PM)

That being said I'm not pro, but I can post impressions of me using it in Forza 3/ Forza 4 demo and Dirt 3 either tonight or this weekend if there is any interest.

T Ghost · (10-07-2011, 05:34 PM)

Originally Posted by Beer Monkey:

Wife acceptance factor.

oh... LOL!

Thanks!

LiK · (10-07-2011, 05:35 PM)

so after reading the review, the lack of resistance makes it feel like using the Wii wheel accessory. guess i'll pass or wait for a sale.

Mr.Green · (10-07-2011, 05:37 PM)

FutureShop (and probably everywhere else) has this bundled with Forza 4 for $99.99.

I have a Fanatec FFB wheel and at this price I'll probably fail and get that just to satisfy my dumb curiosity.

Big Takeover · (10-07-2011, 05:43 PM)

Originally Posted by LiK:

so after reading the review, the lack of resistance makes it feel like using the Wii wheel accessory. guess i'll pass or wait for a sale.

and go back to using a controller? That's a definite downgrade. Not worth 60 bucks? Up to you. Of course, that's going to be different for everybody.

LiK · (10-07-2011, 05:45 PM)

Originally Posted by Big Takeover:

and go back to using a controller? That's a definite downgrade. Not worth 60 bucks? Up to you. Of course, that's going to be different for everybody.

Yea, maybe when its on sale.

Valru · (10-08-2011, 03:43 AM)

Picked this up today, wasn't on the shelf, and the gal at the games section in BestBuy was pretty dazzled that this even existed.

She also mentioned that a Forza4 bundle was back there, no luck trying to get her to sell me one.

Doing laps in the Forza 4 demo and I love it. Manual (w/o Clutch), Sim Steering, and everything else off except STM.

Feels great, although I have a tendency to oversteer in spins. I'm faster than before, and I love the precision.

ReturnOfTheRAT · (10-08-2011, 03:45 AM)

Originally Posted by Beer Monkey:

Wife acceptance factor.

She would have more fun with it than I would though.

Acrylic7 · (10-08-2011, 04:40 AM)

does anyone else see the face?
Its too happy.

Lingitiz · (10-08-2011, 07:48 AM)

Are there any bundles for this in the US?

guest1321 · (10-08-2011, 07:50 AM)

Originally Posted by Acrylic7:

does anyone else see the face?
Its too happy.

Your avatar?

Originally Posted by Lingitiz:

Are there any bundles for this in the US?

there is a forza 4 + speed wheel bundle if that what you are asking for. It is $99

Lingitiz · (10-08-2011, 07:52 AM)

Originally Posted by guest1321:

Your avatar?

there is a forza 4 + speed wheel bundle if that what you are asking for. It is $99

Yeah that's the one i'm looking for. Can't seem to find it anywhere online.

guest1321 · (10-08-2011, 07:57 AM)

Originally Posted by Lingitiz:

Yeah that's the one i'm looking for. Can't seem to find it anywhere online.

My guess is it will become available once Forza 4 is released

Lingitiz · (10-08-2011, 08:03 AM)

Originally Posted by guest1321:

My guess is it will become available once Forza 4 is released

Ahh ok. I guess I could drop by Best Buy or something on launch day and find out if its being sold in store.

guest1321 · (10-08-2011, 08:18 AM)

Originally Posted by Lingitiz:

Ahh ok. I guess I could drop by Best Buy or something on launch day and find out if its being sold in store.

That or call....

bkfount · (10-08-2011, 10:20 PM)

I just played the forza demo with it at best buy and it's better than I thought it would be. Took one lap to get used to it, but I'd have to hear impressions from longer gaming sessions.

jedimike · (10-09-2011, 04:58 PM)

I've spent about 6 hours with the speed wheel. Bottom line: better than the controller.

I started off going back on forth between the controller and the SW. I wanted to see if my times were getting better or worse. I tried theSW on Burnout, PGR4, Forza3, Forza 4 demo, and Dirt. The SW took quite a bit of time to adjust to. I'd say it took me about two hours before it felt "natural" using it. The SW worked amazing on everything but Dirt. This is the first Dirt so I can't say if the game is bad for wheels or if the SW is bad for the game. Either way it was a constant battle of under steer and over steer.

I played with the SW continuously for about 4 hours last night on Forza 3. My arms never got tired. You don't have to hold it out in front of you. I played in a recliner and had no problems controlling the SW. Towards the end of the night I decided to try the controller again and I could NOT match the times I was pulling with the SW. The problem with using the controller for me, is the propensity to go full tilt left or right. I recognized that I was constantly going full left or full right on the controller to steer. I just couldn't match the steering precision of the SW and found myself getting very frustrated at trying to use the controller again.

The two biggest gains you will get from using the SW is steering precision and throttle and brake precision since the triggers have more depth than the standard controller. What you lose, in comparison to the controller, is RB and LB. I had to have a controller on standby to swap out when I needed those. You also lose the headset and can't use a standard controller rechargeable battery pack.

I'm definitely glad I got it and will be using the hell out of it for Forza 4. I'm definitely a casual racing fan. I would never invest hundreds of dollars in a simulation wheel and set-up. I found the SW on the edge of what I was willing to spend for a racing game accessory. However it is a cool piece of technology and not only makes my racing driving more competitive but I also found myself having more fun.

Big Takeover · (10-09-2011, 05:21 PM)

Originally Posted by jedimike:

I've spent about 6 hours with the speed wheel. Bottom line: better than the controller.

I started off going back on forth between the controller and the SW. I wanted to see if my times were getting better or worse. I tried theSW on Burnout, PGR4, Forza3, Forza 4 demo, and Dirt. The SW took quite a bit of time to adjust to. I'd say it took me about two hours before it felt "natural" using it. The SW worked amazing on everything but Dirt. This is the first Dirt so I can't say if the game is bad for wheels or if the SW is bad for the game. Either way it was a constant battle of under steer and over steer.

I played with the SW continuously for about 4 hours last night on Forza 3. My arms never got tired. You don't have to hold it out in front of you. I played in a recliner and had no problems controlling the SW. Towards the end of the night I decided to try the controller again and I could NOT match the times I was pulling with the SW. The problem with using the controller for me, is the propensity to go full tilt left or right. I recognized that I was constantly going full left or full right on the controller to steer. I just couldn't match the steering precision of the SW and found myself getting very frustrated at trying to use the controller again.

The two biggest gains you will get from using the SW is steering precision and throttle and brake precision since the triggers have more depth than the standard controller. What you lose, in comparison to the controller, is RB and LB. I had to have a controller on standby to swap out when I needed those. You also lose the headset and can't use a standard controller rechargeable battery pack.

I'm definitely glad I got it and will be using the hell out of it for Forza 4. I'm definitely a casual racing fan. I would never invest hundreds of dollars in a simulation wheel and set-up. I found the SW on the edge of what I was willing to spend for a racing game accessory. However it is a cool piece of technology and not only makes my racing driving more competitive but I also found myself having more fun.

Good stuff. I'm glad you're digging it.

sparky2112 · (10-09-2011, 05:27 PM)

Wtf at all the hate? You people...

Edit: That's what I get for not reading the end of the thread. Are haters hating any less now?

guest1321 · (10-09-2011, 06:10 PM)

Originally Posted by sparky2112:

Wtf at all the hate? You people...

Edit: That's what I get for not reading the end of the thread. Are haters hating any less now?

Read the last two pages. Anyone who has tried the speed wheel loves it over the controller. Anyone who has a wheel thinks its a poor excuse. And speculators are still speculators.

infinityBCRT · 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by LiK:

any reviews for this yet?

Just picked it up from Best Buy after seeing that it was already available in stores when I read this thread. Played Forza 4 for about 2 laps in the Zonda and two laps in the 458 and then played NFS Shift for about a lap. The biggest problem I found I was having is that I was a little lost when losing control of the car and had trouble regaining grip. I definitely need more time with it but everything just felt more slippery. I think its because of the steering rotation being a lot lower than I'm used to. I've got my DF GT which is 900 degrees of rotation and my MS FFB wheel is 270 degrees of rotation. If I had to guess, this wheel is closer to 120 degrees of rotation which makes everything a little more touchy.

The top lights seem to work like Gear Shift indicators as far as I can tell. There may also be braking/acceleration indicators in there but I'm not sure. But one thing I felt is that if I was focusing on the screen I'd never see the gear shift indicator light up in my peripheral vision because its not bright enough to notice. I had to actually look down which defeats the purpose.

I was surprised that these indicators seemed to work well in Shift considering its such an old game.

SillyEskimo · (10-09-2011, 08:07 PM)

I'll be buying the Forza 4 bundle with this controller for 100$ on Tuesday. I used it at a display in Best Buy and I was really impressed with how stupidly fun and accurate it was. It felt really good and comfortable in my hands. Not only that, but my girls can use it! Actually, my girls playing with it is what got my attention. Out of the box, it's compatible with all racing games, so I may pick up some others on the cheap (like Dirt 3). There are no shoulder buttons on the stick though, so that may be an issue with some racing games. It's not a replacement for a 300$ wheel and pedal set up, but for good casual fun I think it fits the price perfectly.

I will post impressions later with my in home experience!

NZNova · (10-09-2011, 08:16 PM)

Would this thing work with a PC, like the standard 360 controller does, or is it 360 only? I have a G25 wheel that I use on the PC but sometimes you just want a quick game without pulling the wheel out and putting it all together...

Big Takeover · (10-09-2011, 09:22 PM)

Originally Posted by NZNova:

Would this thing work with a PC, like the standard 360 controller does, or is it 360 only? I have a G25 wheel that I use on the PC but sometimes you just want a quick game without pulling the wheel out and putting it all together...

Yep, it works with the wireless gaming receiver.

NZNova · (10-09-2011, 09:28 PM)

Great, thanks.

infinityBCRT · (10-10-2011, 11:32 AM)

Played a little more with the wheel this morning. Getting a bit better with it. Think its just going to take some practice to get used to it. I think I'm using the gas/brake more like a controller's gas/brake instead of pedals which is leading me to over-accelerate. Also think I may be running into the issue that some people have been complaining about where counter-steering to regain control ends up making you oversteer... hopefully it will be patched.

Default handbrake button is "B" which is a little bit of a pain to get to. They probably should have made it "X". Hopefully you can change it. Also feel as though the face buttons are NOT very responsive compared to a regular Xbox 360 controller. You have to push down hard on that "A" button or sometimes it won't register in the menus. If I'm treating it like a regular 360 controller's "A" button and am quickly/lightly pressing it, sometimes I have to press it two or three times for it register. D-pad works fine for shifting though, its probably a better d-pad than the regular 360 controller.

guest1321 · (10-10-2011, 04:33 PM)

For those that were avoiding a gamestop trip it appears amazon no longer has the 31st release date on the speed wheel and is now shipping in 3 days.

DasRaven · (10-10-2011, 04:38 PM)

Originally Posted by guest1321:

For those that were avoiding a gamestop trip it appears amazon no longer has the 31st release date on the speed wheel and is now shipping in 3 days.

Sweet. I'm going to try to get a BestBuy to honor the Forza4+SpeedWheel =$25GC when I pick up my LCEs tomorrow. If neither budge, I'll buy it from Amazon.

RS4- · (10-10-2011, 04:50 PM)

Hrm, I think I'll pick up the Forza+wheel bundle.

Will wait for more GAF reviews though!

Big Takeover · (10-10-2011, 05:00 PM)

I think it's been mentioned in a few posts, but apparently Best Buy has a FM4 & Speed Wheel kiosk. If you're in NA and curious, go check it out for yourself.

watership · 05:37 PM

Has this been posted yet?

http://www.destructoid.com/review-xb...l-213215.phtml

Seems like there is not one single bad impression out there.

Edit: browser search fail.

AlanzTalon · (10-10-2011, 06:00 PM)

Originally Posted by Big Takeover:

I think it's been mentioned in a few posts, but apparently Best Buy has a FM4 & Speed Wheel kiosk. If you're in NA and curious, go check it out for yourself.

I dropped in today to check it out. they had the wheel out....but couldn't put the Forza4 demo on the demo Xbox because the manager with the Live account password was "on vacation".

so i just sat there handling it (literally and figuratively) and probably have to come back tomorrow to demo/pick it up.

I am definitely demoing it first, but i am on board.

I guess the only question...switching between the controller for tuning/painting and this for racing...thoughts? can you have both turned on? or do i have to turn the controller power off then power on the wheel to keep both on player one?

also...no headset plug. is there a wireless headset? i thought the wireless headset still needed a dongle to plug in to the remote....

DasRaven · (10-10-2011, 06:06 PM)

Originally Posted by AlanzTalon:

also...no headset plug. is there a wireless headset? i thought the wireless headset still needed a dongle to plug in to the remote....

Yes, there's been a wireless headset for a long time. It pairs via 2.4Ghz wireless, like the controllers. The wireless headsets charge via USB when needed, no dongle needed.
There's even a new version coming out that adds bluetooth as well.

SCHUEY F1 · (10-10-2011, 06:10 PM)

Are gear changes easily reachable?

Valru · (10-10-2011, 06:16 PM)

Originally Posted by SCHUEY F1:

Are gear changes easily reachable?

Yes, up/down on the dpad.

AlanzTalon · (10-10-2011, 06:16 PM)

Originally Posted by SCHUEY F1:

Are gear changes easily reachable?

actually from holding it, it seems they may be a bit easier. I map "A" as clutch, and "X" and "B" as up/down. this setup, with the buttons much closer together, may actually make it a bit easier to hit those shifts than the controller.

could also map to up/down on the Dpad.

Deadly Cyclone · (10-10-2011, 06:18 PM)

Tried this controller out at Best Buy on Forza 4, and it was actually better than expected. Not as good as a wheel set-up, but it gets the job done rather nicely for people who aren't hardcore enough to want to get a nice wheel set-up.

SCHUEY F1 · (10-10-2011, 06:20 PM)

Sounds good, thanks for the replies. Can't wait for tomorrow.

Letters · (10-10-2011, 06:24 PM)

Originally Posted by guest1321:

Read the last two pages. Anyone who has tried the speed wheel loves it over the controller. Anyone who has a wheel thinks its a poor excuse. And speculators are still speculators.

Actually, I'm quite surprised at the positive impressions from people with proper full wheel setups. Not that they prefer it to their more elaborate stuff, but they're saying it works fantastically and is a great alternative to people who don't want to go all the way in.

guest1321 · (10-10-2011, 06:37 PM)

Originally Posted by Letters:

Actually, I'm quite surprised at the positive impressions from people with proper full wheel setups. Not that they prefer it to their more elaborate stuff, but they're saying it works fantastically and is a great alternative to people who don't want to go all the way in.

I know, I have one. But I think the general impression is, if you can get a wheel (assuming you have the buying power as well as the ability to use it) you should.