[bgassassin]

Of course not. It's Nintendo so of course they'll fuck everything up. They never learn from their mistakes, after all. This was sarcasm for those of you who don't get it.

Quit trol...

*highlights spoiler*

Oh ok, you're good.

[blu]

People actually think this is starting a new generation? NO its just joining this generation. Its not designed to compete with any upcoming consoles specs wise. Its all about the controller with very affordable specs. They like to charge heavy premium too if they can

Somebody give this man a badge or something.

[AceBandage]

Somebody give this man a badge or something.

Oh, he'll get something that starts with a "b" all right...

[Donnie]

Whilst sort of under NDA, I spoke to someone within a major games pulisher here in the UK recently who has spent plenty of time with the Wii U hardware, and they are less than impressed. As a Nintendo fan, I was disappointed to hear him say that the machine is under-powered compared to the impending competition

Any chance of getting any specifc info? Not asking for specs since that's never going to happen, but just anything specifc. I mean no offence but its obvious that WiiU would be less powerful than the next XBox (not sure why that would surprise or disappoint anyone). But how powerful is it compared to something we can quantify, like 360 or PS3?

[lunchwithyuzo]

I can't see this happening any time soon. Nintendo not having full control over their games is just... unthinkable.

Who says they wouldn't? If it happened it'd be a dedicated store within the Steam platform, similar to a dedicated Steam store within the Wii U platform.

I'm not sure how likely either are really, though they're exciting possibilities to speculate on.

[H_Prestige]

Just imagining steam into WiiU... Buy once, play everywhere. And plenty of games at launch. Please do it nintendo. Console of the forever indeed

What do you mean by this?

[bgassassin]

Somebody give this man a badge or something.

What do you mean by this?

No matter whose Wii U you play on you can play the game.

[Deguello]

IS his name Lucky and he's a Larry Leprechaun?

Anyway, if Nintendo does go piecemeal quiltpatch with their online network I think it might end up saving money for the gamer who can then pick and choose which services from which megapublishers he wants instead of paying a flat fee to the console manufacturer and then whatever fees third parties want to stack on top.

[Boney]

I'm just gonna leave this here so we can all get a jolly good laugh

Originally Posted by BurntPork:
We're talking about sales, and GameCube was a commercial flop. If the DreamCast weren't killed off, even that would have beat the GameCube.

[KingJ2002]

I honestly think that... Nintendo thinks console gaming has moved on from having graphics define generational gaps... but rather significant "evolutions / revolutions" in gameplay define the leap.


if you look at the NES to the Wii... it's clear how they took all of the strengths of the previous controller... and added motion control to make games more immersive... now adding a screen to the controller itself is something that will truly be a test.


in a way... you could say Microsoft & Sony finally caught up with "this generation" with Kinect & Move considering the Wii blew the competition out of the water with "last gen graphics"


but i hope that Nintendo's Re-Unveiling might provide a nice spec bump to allow developers to really get out their ideas and creativity, non-gaming app support, as well as a better online interface and enhanced storefront.

Xbox Live set the bar really high and Nintendo needs to catch up with the core features at least.

[Djamb3]

What do you mean by this?

Buy a game in your pc, play it in any pc, or any mac or any wii u. What could we be asking more?

[DCKing]

Here's what Reggie said before about the online:

For Wii U, we’re going to take that one step further, and what we’re doing is creating a much more flexible system that will allow the best approaches by independent publishers to come to bear. So instead of a situation where a publisher has their own network and wants that to be the predominant platform, and having arguments with platform holders, we’re going to welcome that. We’re going to welcome that from the best and the brightest of the third party publishers.Source

I really want to interpret all this as that they're basically allowing Origin on the Wii U (and its probably their first partner), but there is absolutely nothing against Steam on the Wii U as well.

[BurntPork]

I'm just gonna leave this here so we can all get a jolly good laugh Originally Posted by BurntPork: We're talking about sales, and GameCube was a commercial flop. If the DreamCast weren't killed off, even that would have beat the GameCube.

You guys try to drive me nuts, don't you?

[bgassassin]

Buy a game in your pc, play it in any pc, or any mac or any wii u. What could we be asking more?

The PC/Mac part wouldn't happen.

Here's what Reggie said before about the online: I really want to interpret all this as that they're basically allowing Origin on the Wii U (and its probably their first partner), but there is absolutely nothing against Steam on the Wii U as well.

That's only a small part of the picture.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=2659

[AzaK]

Here's what Reggie said before about the online: I really want to interpret all this as that they're basically allowing Origin on the Wii U (and its probably their first partner), but there is absolutely nothing against Steam on the Wii U as well.

Things can change of course, but yeah that's what I felt. If they can make sure that this can happen seamlessly it could be great. I think confusing the average consumer with multiple logins and menu choices for services etc would be a nightmare. They needed a single log on from the users point of view. If its then goes to the back end of 10 different services and authenticates you and then Aggregates their content into a uniform looking store, I don't care.

That too has its problems but less than confusing the hell out of users.

[Game Guru]

So what did the n64 and gamecube show? This has never been true. All that was shown this gen was that their is an upper limit to how much you can charge for a console and expect to sell it.

Yeah, and that upper limit is $300 at launch. Remember that the lowest priced Xbox 360 at launch was $300 as well. Even the PS1, PS2, and Xbox launched at $300. I would suspect the upper limit for a dedicated handheld would be $200, but I cannot know this for sure until we see Vita's performance.

I mean the eShop should be their version of Xbox marketplace or PSN store, where the user buys and downloads everything from. It sounds like you might have to log into Origin for EA stuff, Steam for Valve stuff, etc. Nobody tolerates that kind of fragmentation.

Isn't PC that fragmented as well? Wouldn't having competing stores on the same system mean lower prices for games in the digital realm as well? Xbox Live is an awesome system, don't get me wrong, but even Sony has trouble copying Microsoft in that regard. Xbox Live is practically the Xbox line's selling point. Maybe Nintendo thinks a different direction is in order. Either way, this is EA. If they want Origin on all three consoles, they are either going to get it or drop online support of said console even on the Next Xbox.

[Boney]

You guys try to drive me nuts, don't you?

what i do!!

[DCKing]

That too has its problems but less than confusing the hell out of users.

I imagine Origin, Steam and the Nintendo store will be different channels, all with a seamless "Nintendo login" or something.

[BurntPork]

Yeah, and that upper limit is $300 at launch. Remember that the lowest priced Xbox 360 at launch was $300 as well. Even the PS1, PS2, and Xbox launched at $300. I would suspect the upper limit for a dedicated handheld would be $200, but I cannot know this for sure until we see Vita's performance. Isn't PC that fragmented as well? Wouldn't having competing stores on the same system mean lower prices for games in the digital realm as well? Xbox Live is an awesome system, don't get me wrong, but even Sony has trouble copying Microsoft in that regard. Xbox Live is practically the Xbox line's selling point. Maybe Nintendo thinks a different direction is in order. Either way, this is EA. If they want Origin on all three consoles, they are either going to get it or drop online support of said console even on the Next Xbox.

Erm, the $400 360 outsold the $300 one by a HUGE margin.

[Grampa Simpson]

People won't buy a system to play games they can play on the system they already own.

Would you buy a Genesis to play Sonic the Hedgehog, or would you stick with your Sega Master System and play it there?

[Jaded Alyx]

Would you buy a Genesis to play Sonic the Hedgehog, or would you stick with your Sega Master System and play it there?

Those are.......two totally different games.

[Luckyman]

Oh, he'll get something that starts with a "b" all right...

You would be familiar with that.

[Javier]

You would be familiar with that.

Well, who isn't familiar with brownies?

[AceBandage]

Well, who isn't familiar with brownies?

Now I want a brownie batter blizzard...

[Boney]

Well, who isn't familiar with brownies?

bronies

[Grampa Simpson]

I'm just gonna leave this here so we can all get a jolly good laugh Originally Posted by BurntPork: We're talking about sales, and GameCube was a commercial flop. If the DreamCast weren't killed off, even that would have beat the GameCube.

If you keep quoting him, it kind of defeats the purpose of my ignore list.

On Topic:
Here's the way I'm seeing this.
You buy a Wii U. You register with Nintendo - name, birthday, address, username, this gets added to a database that's linked to your console's serial number, and probably an account that can be transferred between systems. I think Nintendo's learned that lesson.

Once you're online with Nintendo, you can not only connect to the Nintendo E-shop channel, but also EA Origin, Steam, Ubi, Activision. There you can navigate an interface to shop for and purchase titles, and download them through whoever the publisher is. When you buy something there, they pass a token back to Nintendo to say that you're allowed to play such and such a title to their database, and publishing fee back to Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't have to maintain online servers except for the database in general where they track title ownership and whatever they use for their own online shop.

I suspect that each online shop will have it's own gotcha - the minor versions might be the opportunity to like to something like a steam account, and some of the dumber ones might include secondary registration. I also suspect that Nintendo will have terms that the publishers will have to follow - like that if they sell something to a user, it has to be made available to that user indefinitely. Things like that.

META:
Why are we all doing this instead of Super Mario 3D Land?

[AceBandage]

I'm doing both.
Booya!

[Grampa Simpson]

Those are.......two totally different games.

They're both Sonic the Hedgehog. One's just significantly better.

Yes, I know, I was being facetious.

[Zoramon089]

You guys try to drive me nuts, don't you?

Considering the things you post...there's no middle ground or reason with you. It's "jump to the most extreme conclusion possible!" every time

[Grampa Simpson]

I'm doing both. Booya!

Just found a 1-up loop in 2-4. Sweet.

[Jzero]

Steam on the Wii U would be really awesome. It would give me just one more reason to buy it on day one.

[Plinko]

Steam on the Wii U would be really awesome. It would give me just one more reason to buy it on day one.

Edit: Thought you said "Steam-only."

[-Pyromaniac-]

I just made a bet with my brother that if the Wii-U is 249.99 or less I'll get it day one and stop talking shit, lol. He was all saying that it's gonna launch cheap and I was all naw naw nintendo and dem margins and etc...

[bgassassin]

I just made a bet with my brother that if the Wii-U is 249.99 or less I'll get it day one and stop talking shit, lol. He was all saying that it's gonna launch cheap and I was all naw naw nintendo and dem margins and etc...

How did you get him into that kind of sucker bet? What will you get WHEN you win?

[TunaLover]

Maybe EA is making the main online structure, but it doesn't mean that it will called the same as Origin, it could be based on Origin but with Nintendo flavor interface, it doesn't mean either that it will be only for EA games.

Nintendo has made partnetships before like the Opera browser, but even this browser developed by an outsider company had Nintendo's like interface, and friendly features, it even was called Internet Channel, "Powered by Opera".

[-Pyromaniac-]

How did you get him into that kind of sucker bet? What will you get WHEN you win?

nothing :( I was the only one talking smack so only I had to put up.

[watershed]

Maybe EA is making the main online structure, but it doesn't mean that it will called the same as Origin, it could be based on Origin but with Nintendo flavor interface, it doesn't mean either that it will be only for EA games. Nintendo has made partnetships before like the Opera browser, but even this browser developed by an outsider company had Nintendo's like interface, and friendly features, it even was called Internet Channel, "Powered by Opera".

I could see something like this being true and it would be more of a collaboration then just borrowing a service. But I'm sure EA would still find some way to make it awful. They must benefit somehow or gain an edge over the competition in some way in order for them to be pushing like the article suggests. I'm sure Nintendo would pay them well but there must be something on the user front end that EA is after as well.

[whiskeystrike]

I really hope Gamecube games are availabe for downloaded purchase. It would be quite nice to be able to play some of those hard-to-come-by games like Tales of Symphonia or Starfox Adventures.

[jump_button]

I really hope Gamecube games are availabe for downloaded purchase. It would be quite nice to be able to play some of those hard-to-come-by games like Tales of Symphonia or Starfox Adventures.

still waiting for them hard-to-come-by N64 games

[BurntPork]

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[Kyzer]

A generation to me is not defined by a quantifiable leap in specs, but simply by the release of a completely new iteration.

That being said, I actually think Nintendo is keeping a lot of Wii U's secrets up their sleeves, because they KNOW their competitors are watching, and they KNOW theyre going to try and undermine the success of their platform.

[Jzero]

A generation to me is not defined by a quantifiable leap in specs, but simply by the release of a completely new iteration. That being said, I actually think Nintendo is keeping a lot of Wii U's secrets up their sleeves, because they KNOW their competitors are watching, and they KNOW theyre going to try and undermine the success of their platform.

Sony is going to end up copying them in some form haha

[AceBandage]

Sony is going to end up copying them in some form haha

It'll be a Dual Shock with a 2 inch screen.

[Gaborn]

Sony is going to end up copying them in some form haha

I FULLY expect both Sony and MS to have some form of tablet controls or a second screen for their next system, though Sony will probably lean towards pushing Vita compatibility. I think there are SO many enormous advantages the second screen gives you and creative devs have SHOWN us (as little as we've seen) for potential of the technology... it's either providing the capability or be considered to have the "lesser" version of multiplatform games.

[royalan]

I FULLY expect both Sony and MS to have some form of tablet controls or a second screen for their next system, though Sony will probably lean towards pushing Vita compatibility. I think there are SO many enormous advantages the second screen gives you and creative devs have SHOWN us (as little as we've seen) for potential of the technology... it's either providing the capability or be considered to have the "lesser" version of multiplatform games.

Actually, I'd be really surprised if Sony or MS put screen on their next console's controllers.

I mean, dual-screen gaming isn't exactly new. The DS has been doing it for years now. Don't see Sony (or any other tech company) rushing to incorporate dual screen functionality into the PSP. In fact, they're pretty confident without it.

Granted, that's just the handheld space, and I wouldn't be inherently against the idea of Sony or MS adding screens to their controllers (as long as it didn't substancially raise the cost), but I don't think dual screen gaming will have the same impact that motion controls did.

[Gaborn]

Actually, I'd be really surprised if Sony or MS put screen on their next console's controllers. I mean, dual-screen gaming isn't exactly new. The DS has been doing it for years now. Don't see Sony (or any other tech company) rushing to incorporate dual screen functionality into the PSP. In fact, they're pretty confident without it. Granted, that's just the handheld space, and I wouldn't be inherently against the idea of Sony or MS adding screens to their controllers (as long as it didn't substancially raise the cost), but I don't think dual screen gaming will have the same impact that motion controls did.

I think you're basically using the "motion control" argument, that motion controls weren't really proven to be a "necessity" so therefore there was no huge incentive to dive into it.

The problem is that as you say the Wii U is NOT the same as the DS. When you're talking about consoles having a parity of features is crucial. With motion controls it matters less because people dismissed it as a "gimmick" that "instead of pushing a button you do this."

I think the tablet is a completely and totally different issue. To me it's the difference between a console with a D-pad only and a console with analog sticks.

The screen showed in the ghost recon demo and in the killer freaks demo ways of playing that were COMPLETELY and totally impossible on other systems. It also showed a level of functionality on something as simple as inventory management that was more efficient and intuitive than anything done on consoles. The tablet looks like it SHOULD allow for definitive versions of games from Madden (draw your own plays!) to FPS (any inventory guns, interactive maps like they showed, if they want to give you a drone like in GC Online...) to any game with a hud that no longer needs to clutter screen real estate.

NOT having a second screen for any future gaming system is back sliding and makes "future" systems already behind the times.

[Boney]

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i saw your posttttt

but don't worry i enjoy having a hearty laugh at your expense. Unlike other crazy posters like fernando that just were terribad

[BurntPork]

i saw your posttttt but don't worry i enjoy having a hearty laugh at your expense. Unlike other crazy posters like fernando that just were terribad

I don't care. Fuck you.

Fuck this forum. Nobody responds to me unless I piss them off anyway.

[AceBandage]

Don't, BP.
You'll regret it later.
Just relax and go listen to some music or something.

[royalan]

I think you're basically using the "motion control" argument, that motion controls weren't really proven to be a "necessity" so therefore there was no huge incentive to dive into it. The problem is that as you say the Wii U is NOT the same as the DS. When you're talking about consoles having a parity of features is crucial. With motion controls it matters less because people dismissed it as a "gimmick" that "instead of pushing a button you do this." I think the tablet is a completely and totally different issue. To me it's the difference between a console with a D-pad only and a console with analog sticks. The screen showed in the ghost recon demo and in the killer freaks demo ways of playing that were COMPLETELY and totally impossible on other systems. It also showed a level of functionality on something as simple as inventory management that was more efficient and intuitive than anything done on consoles. The tablet looks like it SHOULD allow for definitive versions of games from Madden (draw your own plays!) to FPS (any inventory guns, interactive maps like they showed, if they want to give you a drone like in GC Online...) to any game with a hud that no longer needs to clutter screen real estate. NOT having a second screen for any future gaming system is back sliding and makes "future" systems already behind the times.

I think you're putting a lot of faith into the success of the Wii U controller screen.

I personally think it'll play out in a similar to the DS: it'll be very useful in specific scenarios that benefit certain genres, but will be a shoddily implemented distraction in others. I can already think of certain game types where I wouldn't want to be bothered with having to look down at a secondary screen (fighters and any type of game that requires constant attention and quick reflexes)...and also genres where the possibilities could be endless (sports and rpgs).

Only time will tell though.