[Wormdundee]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecule_Man

This motherfucker. Sure he created an entire galaxy and can manipulate all matter and energy on a subatomic level but that was with own 'mental blocks' in place to stop him from reaching his full potential. It's cool though, he's at least lower power level than the embodiment of the universe itself.

[Narag]

I wish you guys could have seen the glory days of the wizard world VS. boards. You'd have people citing panels as above, debating retcons as to how they apply to the current character, feats of strength cited along with issue & panel numbers, detailing scenarios of the current battle, and a ridiculous amount of participation.


Truly there was nothing nerdier.

[Oblivion]

Is it true the Hulk got (almost) completely vaporized in an atomic explosion, but one or two cells remained of him and he regenerated himself from that?

Pretty sure you're thinking of an episode of DBZ.

[HomerSimpson-Man]

He once held matter and antimatter apart because he ccould. Hulk doesn't care about comic book physics. But he was taken down by a Batman failsafe plan in Tower of Babel!

Damn straight. Holding matter and antimatter apart, I don't think there is much of nothing left to test Hulk's strength in all the universe. lol

[Poyunch]

But he was taken down by a Batman failsafe plan in Tower of Babel!

That's BS. A bullet can't do squat to the Flash.

[Narag]

That's BS. A bullet can't do squat to the Flash.

Was it retconned? If not, it can! Heck, Prometheus shot him up once because he was dumb enough to believe a lie.

[Poyunch]

Was it retconned? If not, it can!

What human-made bullet could possibly move faster than The Flash? And anyway the guy has super fast healing.

[Freshmaker]

From the Hulk's profile page on Wiki: Now, I'm not exactly just discovering this. I've known this for years, and I imagine most people with even a casual interest in the Hulk probably already knew this too. But it's always bothered me. I'm sorry, but nearly infinite strength? Power matching the fricken Celestials? That's bullshit, dawg. The Hulk is a creation of science and should abide by the laws of physics goddamn it. And yes, that includes comic book physics. Ya feel me?

He draws his strength from another dimension. It's all perfectly reasonable.

Sentry OTOH is pure BS.

OG Thor is pretty absurd too. "If I hold my hammer just right, the sun will reflect off of it and hypnotize these guards/deflect bullets/reprogram computers..."

Surprised no one mentioned Silver Surfer.

Red Hulk beat Silver Surfer by sucking the power cosmic out of him. Surfer's a pansy.

[Chamber]

There's been too many variations of supes and hulk. Anyone remember back during dale keown hulk run how when he turned into the hulk he ripped banner's skin off in the process?..that was bad ass. Also isnt the flash 'technically' the most powerful character in the dcu?

Depends on how you define power. Yeah, Flash's powers are custom made to kick ass but Green Lanterns can create planets, create stars, and whatever the fuck else they feel like doing.

[favouriteflavour]

Is it true the Hulk got (almost) completely vaporized in an atomic explosion, but one or two cells remained of him and he regenerated himself from that?

I think that was Ultimate Wolverine, or maybe Ultimate Hulk.

[Slayven]

Is it true the Hulk got (almost) completely vaporized in an atomic explosion, but one or two cells remained of him and he regenerated himself from that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maestro_%28comics%29

the conclusion of the series, despite the Hulk's best efforts to defeat his future self in physical combat (including using Captain America's shield against him), the Maestro is only defeated by the use of Doom's time machine, with the Hulk sending the Maestro back to the time and place that the Hulk was created: ground zero during the testing of the atomic Gamma Bomb. Appearing next to the bomb itself, Maestro is seemingly killed in the same moment that creates the Hulk.[2] Maestro's next appearance is in The Incredible Hulk vol. 2 #460 (January 1998) where the Hulk learns that the "homing sense" that has always allowed him to locate ground zero, his "birth" place, is actually attracted to the Maestro's spirit and remains. The Maestro has also been absorbing gamma radiation from the Hulk each time he returns to the site, gradually restoring himself. When the Hulk returns shortly after the Heroes Return crossover, he is radiating vast amounts of energy. Maestro absorbs enough radiation to restore his body, although initially in a weakened and emaciated form.[3] In the following issue, the exhausted Maestro attempts to use the Destroyer against the Hulk, but is driven out of the armour when the Hulk exploits the fact that the Maestro is technically him to project himself into the Destroyer as well. Having been expelled from the Destroyer by his past self, the Maestro is last seen being buried in a small rockslide, now seemingly fully recovered.[4]

[RSTEIN]

Hulk is very powerful, but not cheap. Why? For the same reason why Wolverine is not cheap. They fight internal battles. Inner rage vs. control. Hero vs. renegade. Justice vs. vengeance. Etc., etc. So the comics deal with this more than SMASH SMASH (as teh hamburlgar was saying).

World War Hulk is a good example. So Hulk here is the most powerful he's ever been. He takes out Black Bolt (who, as leader of the Inhumans, is about as off the charts as they go power-wise). Then he takes out the Avengers, X-Men (including the Juggernaut), random Initiative members, etc. There's only one person who can beat him... but guess what? That person is ALSO dealing with a whole bunch of shit like agoraphobia. So that's what it all comes down to: one of the most powerful forces of nature in the universe, dealing with the death of his wife and child, up against the Sentry who was at that time more fucked up than the Hulk! That's what the Marvel universe is about more than anything... the internal battle. Can the Hulk find some sort of humanity deep down inside? Can the Sentry overcome his fears to step outside his house?

The list goes on... Can Tony Stark end his day without reaching for a bottle of scotch? Can Wolverine repress his inner rage? Can Spider-Man navigate the daily struggles that any young adult can identify with? Yes, all these characters are, basically, invulnerable. But the real battle isn't with next random super-villain or whatever... it's every day with themselves!

[bengraven]

[DeaconKnowledge]

Superman.

.

[HomerSimpson-Man]

His strength may be theoretically unlimited, but his ability to feel/generate/sustain rage is very much limited. Anger is finite.

It is.

But the human limit, Hulk doesn't exactly have that normal limiter in place. His mind is a total mess, that someone as powerful as Professor X had such difficulty trying to appraise Hulk that the mental feedback cause all the X-men around him pain. Hulk's mind is one of the most difficult that Professor X ever faced, that it into itself is a powerful defense against telepathy.

Hulk's mind carries multiple personalities, and in some of the darker parts grandiose grotesques monsters that has never been able to escape and should never let escaped.

[Oblivion]

Hulk is very powerful, but not cheap. Why? For the same reason why Wolverine is not cheap. They fight internal battles. Inner rage vs. control. Hero vs. renegade. Justice vs. vengeance. Etc., etc. So the comics deal with this more than SMASH SMASH (as teh hamburlgar was saying). World War Hulk is a good example. So Hulk here is the most powerful he's ever been. He takes out Black Bolt (who, as leader of the Inhumans, is about as off the charts as they go power-wise). Then he takes out the Avengers, X-Men (including the Juggernaut), random Initiative members, etc. There's only one person who can beat him... but guess what? That person is ALSO dealing with a whole bunch of shit like agoraphobia. So that's what it all comes down to: one of the most powerful forces of nature in the universe, dealing with the death of his wife and child, up against the Sentry who was at that time more fucked up than the Hulk! That's what the Marvel universe is about more than anything... the internal battle. Can the Hulk find some sort of humanity deep down inside? Can the Sentry overcome his fears to step outside his house? The list goes on... Can Tony Stark end his day without reaching for a bottle of scotch? Can Wolverine repress his inner rage? Can Spider-Man navigate the daily struggles that any young adult can identify with? Yes, all these characters are, basically, invulnerable. But the real battle isn't with next random super-villain or whatever... it's every day with themselves!

But what does any of that have to do with Hulk's nigh-supernatural abilities being bullshit?

[Slayven]

It is. But the human limit, Hulk doesn't exactly have that normal limiter in place. His mind is a total mess, that someone as powerful as Professor X had such difficulty trying to appraise Hulk that the mental feedback cause all the X-men around him pain. Hulk's mind is one of the most difficult that Professor X ever faced, that it into itself is a powerful defense against telepathy. Hulk's mind carries multiple personalities, and in some of the darker parts grandiose grotesques monsters that has never been able to escape and should never let escaped.

Like the Devil Hulk, a hulk fueled not by rage, but Banner's self loathing. He kind of showed up in the Chaos War and the Hulk could do shit against him.

[DonMigs85]

While Wolverine isn't super-strong, he does seem to be practically unkillable. He can even survive as just a head, grow back any lost organs, etc. When deprived of oxygen, his brain just shuts down and he goes into suspended animation.

[Satch]

Why do we try to make sense of superhero powers?

[Scrow]

Why do we try to make sense of superhero powers?

for fun

[RSTEIN]

But what does any of that have to do with Hulk's nigh-supernatural abilities being bullshit?

the powers are what they are. My point was that it's not bullshit because the powers are just superficial. It's the Banner/Hulk conflict that's the whole point of everything. That's what comics are about.

[bob_arctor]

Remember when the U-Foes thought they were hot shit and could take him down? Poor chumps didn't know what they were in for.

[Caspel]

Reality warpers like Franklin Richards, Scarlett Witch, Legion, etc...are pretty much on top power-wise and fairly cheap themselves. High powered psychics (Prof X, Jean Grey, Nate Summers) are a close second.

I'd consider Nate Grey more powerful than Nathan Summers.

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Like the Devil Hulk, a hulk fueled not by rage, but Banner's self loathing. He kind of showed up in the Chaos War and the Hulk could do shit against him.

Yeah, while Hulk's strength is greatly influenced by anger, simply because it's his more dominate emotion, his strength is influenced by most emotions in general.

[MC Safety]

It is. But the human limit, Hulk doesn't exactly have that normal limiter in place. His mind is a total mess, that someone as powerful as Professor X had such difficulty trying to appraise Hulk that the mental feedback cause all the X-men around him pain. Hulk's mind is one of the most difficult that Professor X ever faced, that it into itself is a powerful defense against telepathy. Hulk's mind carries multiple personalities, and in some of the darker parts grandiose grotesques monsters that has never been able to escape and should never let escaped.

So Hulk can become infinitely mad and sustain it indefinitely. Fair enough!

[MaddenNFL64]

I'll always remember how stupid fuck out of control Goku & the rest of the gangs powers got at the end of DBZ. All the main characters could devastate planets, and the top ones could wipe out the galaxy.

[Zoramon089]

I'll always remember how stupid fuck out of control Goku & the rest of the gangs powers got at the end of DBZ. All the main characters could devastate planets, and the top ones could wipe out the galaxy.

I never really had a problem with them because they didn't try to BS an explanation. They trained and got strong. They didn't try to apply real world explanations like molecular level control or tapping into other dimensions for stuff that was inexplicable.

[Oblivion]

the powers are what they are. My point was that it's not bullshit because the powers are just superficial. It's the Banner/Hulk conflict that's the whole point of everything. That's what comics are about.

Oh yeah, fo sho. I know the comics mainly deal with Banner's inner struggles, and I do like it, even though it gets really depressing at times.

[HomerSimpson-Man]

So Hulk can become infinitely mad and sustain it for infinite amounts of time. Fair enough!

Only as mad as the writer wants him too.

The writers really went to town on World War Hulk, when they created a more ironic Hulk that channeled his emotions and anger and contained it through meditation (but only channeled it, despite his calmer demeanor he was going like damn near rageful strength all the time), that used his cunning fighting strategy in battle than simply smashy smashy, to the point he beat most of the Earth's Marvel U heroes and threatened the Eastern seaboard.

[CornBurrito]

I'll always remember how stupid fuck out of control Goku & the rest of the gangs powers got at the end of DBZ. All the main characters could devastate planets, and the top ones could wipe out the galaxy.

It was pretty much at that level right after the Frieza saga, which is hardly the end of the series. Remember, Frieza could blow up planets for fun, and Goku managed to become even stronger than Frieza. Goku was able to blow up planets relatively early on in the series.

[MiniDitka]

Batman would still kick his ass.

[MC Safety]

I wish you guys could have seen the glory days of the wizard world VS. boards. You'd have people citing panels as above, debating retcons as to how they apply to the current character, feats of strength cited along with issue & panel numbers, detailing scenarios of the current battle, and a ridiculous amount of participation. Truly there was nothing nerdier.

I don't know. Is it nerdier to have done that as part of fanaticism, or to have done it as part of a job?

I participated in those horrible Wizard magazine discussions where "we" decided Batman and Captain America would defeat, respectively, the other members of the Justice League and Avengers.

[MikeMyers]

I'll always remember how stupid fuck out of control Goku & the rest of the gangs powers got at the end of DBZ. All the main characters could devastate planets, and the top ones could wipe out the galaxy.

Majin Buu was the most cheap villain ever.

[Oblivion]

I never really had a problem with them because they didn't try to BS an explanation. They trained and got strong. They didn't try to apply real world explanations like molecular level control or tapping into other dimensions for stuff that was inexplicable.

I didn't mind the Z warriors being able to blow up a planet or whatever, the bigger problem was that the power levels were inconsistent as fuck.

Vegeta at power level 18,000 was supposedly able to destroy the entire fucking Earth. Meanwhile, we get to fucking SSJ4 level characters that can seem to only make city wide craters. Wtf?

[HomerSimpson-Man]

I'll always remember how stupid fuck out of control Goku & the rest of the gangs powers got at the end of DBZ. All the main characters could devastate planets, and the top ones could wipe out the galaxy.

Everyone was so powerful, they could like bust-ass and take off entire continents apart....yeesh. It was only relative power that made any kind of perspective but even then when you realize some like Freeza was already about to blow up planets and later down the line would have gotten his ass beat in a minute, it really was crazy.

Yeah, no consistency said above.^^^

[Zoramon089]

Majin Buu was the most cheap villain ever.

That's because Toriyama hated his job at that point and was just trolling Jump. He wanted to end after Freeza. IMO, the perfect ending would have been after Cell. But DBZ was too popular so we got Buu...then GT, and significant quality drops with them

[Narag]

So Hulk can become infinitely mad and sustain it indefinitely. Fair enough!

That's up there with Prep Time™.

I don't know. Is it nerdier to have done that as part of fanaticism, or to have done it as part of a job? I participated in those horrible Wizard magazine discussions where "we" decided Batman and Captain America would defeat, respectively, the other members of the Justice League and Avengers.

One is a paycheck, the other is a free evening spent. I believe the choice is obvious!

[Kusagari]

Majin Buu was the most cheap villain ever.

This handsome devil disagrees.

[favouriteflavour]

I don't know. Is it nerdier to have done that as part of fanaticism, or to have done it as part of a job? I participated in those horrible Wizard magazine discussions where "we" decided Batman and Captain America would defeat, respectively, the other members of the Justice League and Avengers.

Makes sense, they are basically the same guy.

[Zoramon089]

I didn't mind the Z warriors being able to blow up a planet or whatever, the bigger problem was that the power levels were inconsistent as fuck. Vegeta at power level 18,000 was supposedly able to destroy the entire fucking Earth. Meanwhile, we get to fucking SSJ4 level characters that can seem to only make city wide craters. Wtf?

But it still was a problem that was mentioned. In the Cell games, they were afraid of Cell destroying the Earth with his kamehameha and even Vegeta aimed his final flash away from the ground as it could have easily destroyed the planet as well (it was a beam visible from space!). I don't think charging or hand to hand combat was the danger, it was the beam attacks

[HomerSimpson-Man]

This handsome devil disagrees.

That SOB. Seriously, WTF Kobe Tite. Did you have to pull someone out your ass that powerful in Bleach? Power levels are retarded in Bleach too like DBZ, you would take after the events of the Soul Society Arc someone like Ichigo would be more than hold his own in a few scraps with some harder than others, but then they started to throw characters that would suddenly school Ichigo out of nowhere and I'm not even talking about that SOB here, but new characters just to "trained" him even further.

Just power levels that are pointless for the sake of them instead of any real character growth and tension in conflict through skill.

[Slayven]

That SOB. Seriously, WTF Kobe Tite. Did you have to pull someone out your ass that powerful in Bleach? Power levels are retarded in Bleach too like DBZ, you would take after the events of the Soul Society Arc someone like Ichigo would be more than hold his own in a few scraps with some harder than others, but then they started to throw characters that would suddenly school Ichigo out of nowhere and I'm not even talking about that SOB here, but new characters just to "trained" him even further. Just power levels that are pointless for the sake of them instead of any real character growth and tension in conflict through skill.

One of the things I liked about Naruto is that you got a sense that a cunning ninja is just as dangerous if not more dangerous then a strong one.

[Chamber]

I didn't mind the Z warriors being able to blow up a planet or whatever, the bigger problem was that the power levels were inconsistent as fuck. Vegeta at power level 18,000 was supposedly able to destroy the entire fucking Earth. Meanwhile, we get to fucking SSJ4 level characters that can seem to only make city wide craters. Wtf?

Yeah, they wrote themselves into a hole with DBZ. Given how powerful the characters were to start, they should have been (in theory) busting up universes by the time the Cell Games happened much less any of the Buu shit.

Let's not even get started on GT.

[hayejin]

For me it's Wolverine.

I mean he looks cool and all but the guy's freaking got regenerative power and all. Why does he freaking need a adamantine claw to fight? Why not go hand to hand on a fight instead of using freaking claws like a pussy?

I guess **cheesy** isn't the right word. To me it's an overkill. It'd be like giving super man another power like shrinking or invisibility after all the power he's got already.

[Zonar]

look at her power levels on the official marvel page
http://marvel.com/universe/Squirrel_Girl

also

[Thagomizer]

One of the things I liked about Naruto is that you got a sense that a cunning ninja is just as dangerous if not more dangerous then a strong one.

Ranma too- for all the zany silliness, the fights were all really cool, even if pretty much every fight after the halfway point was won by that tornado attack or some variation. Pretty much the entire point is that Ranma is much weaker than Herb or Saffron, but he beats them with tactics and adaptation (and a bit of Deus ex Machina with Saffron)

[HomerSimpson-Man]

lol, Squirrel Girl is basically a character to troll overpowered characters.

[Kusagari]

For me it's Wolverine. I mean he looks cool and all but the guy's freaking got regenerative power and all. Why does he freaking need a adamantine claw to fight? Why not go hand to hand on a fight instead of using freaking claws like a pussy? I guess **cheesy** isn't the right word. To me it's an overkill. It'd be like giving super man another power like shrinking or invisibility after all the power he's got already.

Because without the Adamantium he's basically just a regular human who is almost impossible to kill? I mean it works for some guys like Deadpool but it's not exactly unique.

[MaddenNFL64]

So, she is a massive troll on the comic book genre right?

[The Technomancer]

Ranma too- for all the zany silliness, the fights were all really cool, even if pretty much every fight after the halfway point was won by that tornado attack or some variation. Pretty much the entire point is that Ranma is much weaker than Herb or Saffron, but he beats them with tactics and adaptation (and a bit of Deus ex Machina with Saffron)

Dude, Ranma was awesome because every volume was just "hey, what completely non-fighting related thing can we turn into a martial art?"