[HomerSimpson-Man]

For me it's Wolverine. I mean he looks cool and all but the guy's freaking got regenerative power and all. Why does he freaking need a adamantine claw to fight? Why not go hand to hand on a fight instead of using freaking claws like a pussy? I guess **cheesy** isn't the right word. To me it's an overkill. It'd be like giving super man another power like shrinking or invisibility after all the power he's got already.

You know what's funny. While Hulk's strength is his more stated attribute. If you can get pass Hulk's practical invulnerability through most conventional means (like with Adamanium claws as stated), there is the one ability that people tend to forget he also has; he has an advance healing factor that potentially even superceeds Wolverines.

That's right, super strength, invulnerability, and healing factor.

So, she is a massive troll on the comic book genre right?

Look at her stats.

Squirrel Girl beat Thanos. Like someone said, anything is possible. lol

[Sho_Nuff82]

I just read Dark Avengers, Seige, and WW Hulk during the free Marvel online trial, and holy shit did the writers go nuts during these crossovers.

The Hulk beats Black Bolt, which was silly enough (even though it was retconned that BB was a Skrull), but then he beats Dr. Strange. I mean, really? The guy who regularly saves the earth from Dormammu, Nightmare, Mephisto, and Shuma Gorath, just gets clocked out by a really strong guy.

The Hulk also manages to barely defeat The Sentry, which wouldn't be so bad...if the Sentry didn't absolutely embarrass Molecule Man in Dark Avengers.

Then after killing Ares and tearing Asgard in half, Sentry is killed by an ordinary Thor thunderbolt and thrown into the sun, despite having survived death no less than 3 times (time travel erasure, complete molecular disintegration, and getting his head blown off) in Dark Avengers.

It's best not to think about the inconsistencies of different writers. I was reading the original Secret Wars, back when Spider-man was still a badass, and watching him systematically dismantle Titania, who's about as strong as She-Hulk, before throwing her unceremoniously out of a window. I read a bit of current ASM, he gets beaten to near-death just about every other issue by clowns like Morlun and Mayhem.

[CornBurrito]

One of the things I liked about Naruto is that you got a sense that a cunning ninja is just as dangerous if not more dangerous then a strong one.

Yeah, I really liked Naruto until the Sharingan started getting more and more and more broken. I think it has gotten to the point where cunning no longer matters, only raw power levels (stopped following after the Pain arc). You basically now need a broken eye power, or a supernatural demon in you.

[x Power Pad Death Stomp x]

So, she is a massive troll on the comic book genre right?

Yep. When she beat Thanos, for example, Thanos repeatedly stated and proved he was the one true original Thanos throughout the book. It was a direct shot at Jim Starlin trying to retcon any Thanos appearance where he lost as being a clone or robot or trick.

[Dead Man]

Technically, Sentry is way cheaper. He supposed to be as powerful as Superman but without any true weaknesses (green rocks, magic, etc.) I believe there was mention about him fighting Galactus to a stalemate. World War Hulk was able to beat him in the end.

Hmmm... that doesn't seem to follow.

[RSTEIN]

For me it's Wolverine. I mean he looks cool and all but the guy's freaking got regenerative power and all. Why does he freaking need a adamantine claw to fight? Why not go hand to hand on a fight instead of using freaking claws like a pussy? I guess **cheesy** isn't the right word. To me it's an overkill. It'd be like giving super man another power like shrinking or invisibility after all the power he's got already.

regeneration is pretty plain vanilla stuff. So is invulnerability. Hulk, Thor, Namor, Namora, Juggernaut, Hercules, Sentry, Ares, Wonder Man, Cage, Dr. Strange, Warpath, etc. etc. are all 99.9% invulnerable. Many of the cosmic dudes are invulnerable, too. So if you're invulnerable AND you can rip shit up with claws all the better :)

plus all major characters are invulnerable. even when they die they come back to life

[Thagomizer]

Dude, Ranma was awesome because every volume was just "hey, what completely non-fighting related thing can we turn into a martial art?"

Yeah, some of them were absolutely hilarious. I was choking with laughter on the "Martial Arts Fine Dining" arc.

[RSTEIN]

The Hulk also manages to barely defeat The Sentry

I'd say that was a draw. Both were left on the ground as Banner/Reynolds after the fight. Plus Sentry went a bit nuts. Banner got mad again, turned into Hulk, and then asked to be killed.

but then he beats Dr. Strange. I mean, really?

Strange summoned Zom plus his hands were broken. But yes, I agree, a bit of bullshit.

[Freshmaker]

Hmmm... that doesn't seem to follow.

Sentry is supposed to be as powerful as one million exploding suns. It took a lot of stuff to get Hulk mad enough to take that down.

Of course, Thor killed him a bit later so Sentry's power level is all over the place.

[Oblivion]

From Wiki:

Although their suits of powered armor were made by altering Guardsmen suits, they are neither identical nor equal, and let the wearer possess different abilities. Sentry's strength is the greatest of them all. He was strong enough to hold down Spider-Man in one of their fights. He has flight technology made differently from the others, with a ramjet propulsion mini engine installed into his boots. His whole costume is a green-brown color while his partners' are "standard" Guardsmen colors. He has a powerful energy gun. There's a lock-pick tool kit inside his right glove.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentry_..._and_abilities

The hell? :lol

Sounds like a lame-o.

[Narag]

Someone made a youtube vid out of the still panels of the sentry vs hulk fight complete with crappy music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_e_YfHd5hM

That fight is sooooo cool.

From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentry_..._and_abilities The hell? :lol Sounds like a lame-o.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentry_(Robert_Reynolds)

[Dead Man]

Sentry is supposed to be as powerful as one billion exploding suns. It took a lot of stuff to get Hulk mad enough to take that down. Of course, Thor killed him a bit later so Sentry's power level is all over the place.

What I mean is, you can't say Sentry is the cheapest ever, and then just mention that WWH beat him.

Well, you can, but if WWH is not to be the cheapest you need some good explanation of how that happened.

Sentry was so powerful. He had previously broken Hulk's arms before. He even had a freakin' aura that calmed the Hulk down! An aura!! Still like I said Hulk's potential power is dependent on the writer and scenario. His strength grew to to a point where he could take Sentry head on. You have to picture how a already powerful character like Hulk on Earth would be if he was thrown into a hostile alien world where he started to fight on and off just to survive filled with powerful creatures. He had to constantly fight on a level far higher than average than what he faced on Earth day to day. He became a captured slaved fighting in gladiator arenas in an alien world. Hulk! Take that even more battled hardened Hulk and throw him back to Earth and you got the events of World War Hulk.

Like that.

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Hmmm... that doesn't seem to follow.

Sentry was so powerful. He had previously broken Hulk's arms before.

He even had a freakin' aura that calmed the Hulk down! An aura!!

Still like I said Hulk's potential power is dependent on the writer and scenario. His strength grew to to a point where he could take Sentry head on.

You have to picture how a already powerful character like Hulk on Earth would be if he was thrown into a hostile alien world where he started to fight on and off just to survive filled with powerful creatures. He had to constantly fight on a level far higher than average than what he faced on Earth day to day.

He became a captured slaved fighting in gladiator arenas in an alien world. Hulk!

Take that even more battled hardened Hulk and throw him back to Earth and you got the events of World War Hulk. Hulk kept telling others he wasn't the same as before during his battles in WWH.

[Freshmaker]

From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentry_..._and_abilities The hell? :lol Sounds like a lame-o.

Everyone's talking about Robert Reynolds, not the vault douches.

[Affeinvasion]

Still Scarlet Witch could just change reality so that Bruce Banner and the Hulk never existed...and as discovered by Beast throughout "Endangered Species," Scarlet Witch's ability is not a trick and cannot be countered by magic or science.

[X26]

pretty much all the classic superheros are cheap, especially superman, probably why I never got into them

[The Technomancer]

Reading this thread gives me a disturbing view of the offices of most comic writers. They are mostly filled with something like this:

"Oh yeah, well my guy has the power of one mill...no, one billion exploding suns!"

"Oh yeah, well my guy started out as a homeless man but a nuclear-gravimetric explosion (that's a thing, right?) gave him absolute dominion over time!"

[Sho_Nuff82]

From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentry_..._and_abilities The hell? :lol Sounds like a lame-o.

Wrong Sentry. You're looking for the Bob Reynolds version.

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Still Scarlet Witch could just change reality so that Bruce Banner and the Hulk never existed...and as discovered by Beast throughout "Endangered Species," Scarlet Witch's ability is not a trick and cannot be countered by magic or science.

Yeah. Hulk is like the physically strongest classic type, but when you throw in all kinds of different powers like energy enhancement, especially cosmic beings, there is all kinds of powerful godlike beings.

[Freshmaker]

What I mean is, you can't say Sentry is the cheapest ever, and then just mention that WWH beat him.

The thinking is like so:

Hulk's strong, but he's usually not super angry so he's usually nowhere near his max potential.
Sentry walks around about as powerful as maxxed out Hulk 24/7 and even killing him doesn't seem to bother him much. (He's basically Marvel's Majin Buu.) He also has a whole range of random other abilities he can call upon at whim.

[Poyunch]

Which issue did Hulk and Sentry fight? I understand the context of the fight but I thought the two were bros? Or was that retconned?

[IrishNinja]

Superman is a peak level Kryptonian similar to the way Batman and Captain America are peak level humans.

cap is beyond peak human, thanks to the serum. for posterity: he would beat the poop out of batman.

[Pachael]

Threads like this make me glad I mostly read Richie Rich and Scrooge McDuck comics as a kid. The only DC ones I read was Weird War Tales. Which should be a TV show or something.

I thought this thread was for particular cheapskates, and the latter would wilfully apply. Paying nephews and grandnephews 30 cents an hour for hard yakka is exceptionally cheap if you consider that he also gets good mileage of that tome of knowledge (woodchuck guidebook) in the process.

[El Sloth]

This Fool.

Powers and abilities Malleable Physiology: Plastic Man's powers are derived from an accident in which his body was bathed in an unknown industrial chemical mixture that also entered into his bloodstream through a gunshot wound. This caused a body-wide mutagenic process that transformed his physiology. Eel exists in a fluid state, neither entirely liquid or solid. Plastic Man has complete control over his structure. Density Control: Plastic Man can change his density at will; becoming as dense as a rock or as flexible as a rubber band. Malleability (Elasticity/Plasticity): He can stretch his limbs and body to superhuman lengths and sizes. There is no known limit to how far he can stretch his body. Size Alteration: He can shrink himself down to a few inches tall (posed as one of Batman's utility belt pockets) or become a titan (the size of skyscrapers). Shape-Shifting: He can contort his body into various positions and sizes impossible for ordinary humans, such as being entirely flat so that he can slip under a door or using his fingers to pick conventional locks. He can also use it for disguise by changing the shape of his face and body. Thanks to his fluid state, Plastic Man can open holes in his body and turn himself into objects with mobile parts. In addition, he can alter his bodily mass and physical constitution at will; there is virtually no limit to the sizes and shapes he can contort himself into. Superhuman Agility: These stretching powers grant Plastic Man heightened agility enabling him flexibility and coordination that is extraordinarily beyond the natural limits of the human body. Color Change: The only limitation he has relates to color, which he cannot change without intense concentration. He generally does not use this ability and sticks to his red and yellow colored uniform. Invulnerability: Plastic Man's powers extraordinarily augment his durability. He is able to withstand corrosives, punctures and concussions without sustaining any injury (although he can be momentarily stunned). He is resistant to high velocity impacts that would kill an ordinary person, resistant to blasts from energy weapons (Batman once mentioned that he could presumably even withstand a nuclear detonation), and is bulletproof. His bodily mass can be dispersed, but for all intents and purposes it is invulnerable. Regeneration: He is able to regenerate and/or assimilate lost or damaged tissue. Telepathic Immunity: As stated by Batman (in Justice League of America #88[date missing]), "Plastic Man's mind is no longer organic. It's untouchable by telepathy." Immortality: Plastic Man does not appear to age; if he does, it is at a rate far slower than that of normal human beings. In the aftermath of the Justice League story Arc "Obsidian Age", Plastic Man was discovered to have survived for 3000 years as little more than crumbs on the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. He is now over 3000 years old and is still active as a superhero. Ultrasonic Detection: His body will start to "ripple" when an ultrasonic frequency is triggered. Weaknesses His semi-liquid form remains stable at relatively high and low temperatures, provided that the temperature change is gradual. A sudden change induces a complete change of state, creating a truly solid or truly liquid form. Plastic Man was incapacitated in the JLA story arc "Tower of Babel" when mercenaries froze and shattered his body. Once thawed and reassembled, he was physically unharmed (though emotionally traumatized). In the JLA story arc "Divided We Fall", Plastic Man is shown to have some weakness to extreme heat (intense heat vision attack from a martian) and was temporarily melted. In some versions, Plastic Man is also vulnerable to chemicals such as acetone, which melts and destabilizes his putty-like form, although he will eventually regenerate when the chemicals are gone. Another weakness is that the only colors Plastic Man can mimic are the colors of his body and costume (IE: red, black, yellow and flesh tone), Whether this is an inherent flaw in his powers or a mental block had never been explained, whereas, his son, Offspring, also gained his father's powers, but is able to mimic any color he chooses. Also, for a long while it was not known if Plas could take off his costume, but when he rejoined civilian life, he was wearing normal clothing so it appeared that he is able to.

Frozen, melted, reduced to crumbs, etc. It all doesn't matter. You can't kill this fucker. Only incapacitate him.

Hulk could spend a millenia pounding him into goo and he would still be okay(physically).

[~Devil Trigger~]

Which issue did Hulk and Sentry fight? I understand the context of the fight but I thought the two were bros? Or was that retconned?

wasnt that WW Hulk, Hulk came back from other planet to break fools so they called on him to fight em.

[Chamber]

cap is beyond peak human, thanks to the serum. for posterity: he would beat the poop out of batman.

The serum made Cap a perfect human, not beyond human. I'd put him well beneath someone like Deathstroke who is beyond human.

Which issue did Hulk and Sentry fight? I understand the context of the fight but I thought the two were bros? Or was that retconned?

World War Hulk #5

Terrible mini series by the way.

[Slayven]

A cool as Hulk is when smashing stuff, I have enjoyed them playing up Banner's brains lately. Dude is doing some crazy shit with a broken original gameboy.

[Freshmaker]

cap is beyond peak human, thanks to the serum. for posterity: he would beat the poop out of batman.

He's not beyond peak. MVP replicated the effects of Cap's serum by exercising a lot.

Batman's beyond peak human because of his training in that case.

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Which issue did Hulk and Sentry fight? I understand the context of the fight but I thought the two were bros? Or was that retconned?

The events of World War Hulk. It was the last issue,5, after Hulk pretty much beat everybody.

Hulk had forced Mr. Fantastic, Tony Stark, Doctor Strange, and Black Bolt to a fight seemingly to the death in a gladiator style arena but it was really to force them to feel the pain and humiliation he had to endure day to day when they banished him off world.

Sentry flew to fight Hulk head on during this.

[Sharp]

Um, just read about Sentry's powers. So basically he fucking fought the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe to a standstill and has unlimited power over anything.

To which I respond... what the fuck? Like seriously, is there any reason ever to have a character like that? What are the odds that such a character would be on Earth, anyway? The whole thing is bullshit.

[El Sloth]

He's not beyond peak. MVP replicated the effects of Cap's serum by exercising a lot. Batman's beyond peak human because of his training in that case.

I thought Cap never gets tired? Wouldn't that put him over the peak?

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America

Captain America has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier Serum and "Vita-Ray" treatment, he is transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning. Captain America's strength, endurance, agility, speed, reflexes, durability, and healing are at the highest limits of natural human potential. Rogers' body regularly replenishes the super-soldier serum; it does not wear off.[81] The formula enhances all of his metabolic functions and prevents the build-up of fatigue poisons in his muscles, giving him endurance far in excess of an ordinary human being. This accounts for many of his extraordinary feats, including bench pressing 1100 pounds (500 kg) and running a mile (1.6 km) in little more than a minute.[82] Furthermore, his enhancements are the reason why he was able to survive being frozen in suspended animation for decades. Rogers cannot become intoxicated by alcohol, drugs, or impurities in the air and is immune to terrestrial diseases.[citation needed] He is also highly resistant to hypnosis or gases that could limit his focus.[83] There have been many attempts to recreate this formula but the secrets of creating a super-soldier were lost with the death of its creator.

A bit of both I guess?

[Poyunch]

Well I just enjoy how overpowered Sentry is and how much people freak out about him so I'll read it. I thought people in general liked WWH. Never really followed Hulk.

Um, just read about Sentry's powers. So basically he fucking fought the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe to a standstill and has unlimited power over anything. To which I respond... what the fuck? Like seriously, is there any reason ever to have a character like that? What are the odds that such a character would be on Earth, anyway? The whole thing is bullshit.

To fuck with people. Apparently he's the literal Angel of Death.

[Slayven]

He's not beyond peak. MVP replicated the effects of Cap's serum by exercising a lot. Batman's beyond peak human because of his training in that case.

MVP replicated the effects because his parents started his training when he was a toddler with a special diet and exercises.The government turned down this process because it would take years to get soldiers that way. MVP is the great gandson of the guy that invented the super soldier program.

[Pandaman]

I didn't mind the Z warriors being able to blow up a planet or whatever, the bigger problem was that the power levels were inconsistent as fuck. Vegeta at power level 18,000 was supposedly able to destroy the entire fucking Earth. Meanwhile, we get to fucking SSJ4 level characters that can seem to only make city wide craters. Wtf?

while freeza was the first to actually do it, all characters in dbz would be greatly inconvienenced if they actually destroyed the planet they were fighting on and most of them lacked the motivation to do it anyway. freeza did it because it had an empire of planets. cell tried to do it only when he ran out of other options, buu did it because he didn't care and all of these people were in it for the love of the fight too, which sortof needs a planet as a staging ground.

The serum made Cap a perfect human, not beyond human. I'd put him well beneath someone like Deathstroke who is beyond human.

could deathstroke beat batman? batman admitted that Cap could beat him.

[Chamber]

I thought Cap never gets tired? Wouldn't that put him over the peak?

Comic book peak human is the same as real life superhuman.

[Sharp]

Well I just enjoy how overpowered Sentry is and how much people freak out about him so I'll read it. I thought people in general liked WWH. Never really followed Hulk. To fuck with people. Apparently he's the literal Angel of Death.

Yeah, I read that. IMO if you're going to include religion in your comics, you shouldn't fuck around... just be like "yo this is God, he is about to fuck with people" or whatever.

[Slayven]

Sentry's origin is so fucked up he doesn't even know what it is.

[Poyunch]

But at least he has an awesome beard (sometimes).

[Slayven]

I can't stand normal Superman, but I love crazy ass Superman analogs.

[Chamber]

I can't stand normal Superman, but I love crazy ass Superman analogs.

<3

[Vipershark]

How can Superman be cheap when you can walk outside your backyard and pick up a piece of Kryptonite?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't a recent story arc have superman build up a tolerance to kryptonite to the point that it no longer affects him (or if so, very little)?

No more weakness.

[Freshmaker]

MVP replicated the effects because his parents started his training when he was a toddler with a special diet and exercises.The government turned down this process because it would take years to get soldiers that way. MVP is the great gandson of the guy that invented the super soldier program.

Even though they can generate ~7 clones of MVP who enjoy the same benefits...

[Poyunch]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't a recent story arc have superman build up a tolerance to kryptonite to the point that it no longer affects him (or if so, very little)? No more weakness.

I have no idea. I don't read Superman. :P Nothing against the guy. I actually like him. :p

[Satch]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't a recent story arc have superman build up a tolerance to kryptonite to the point that it no longer affects him (or if so, very little)? No more weakness.

I think this is All-Star Superman.

[Slayven]

<3

You forget The High, he was part of the reason Wildstorm earth turned into a shithole.

[Xyrmellon]

I was reading the original Secret Wars, back when Spider-man was still a badass, and watching him systematically dismantle Titania, who's about as strong as She-Hulk, before throwing her unceremoniously out of a window. I read a bit of current ASM, he gets beaten to near-death just about every other issue by clowns like Morlun and Mayhem.

Also in Secret Wars he beats the entire X-men team barely breaking a sweat. 80's Spidey was the best, when they actually tried to mature the character and even set his age at late 20's. I haven't read any of the iterations for several years but every picture I've seen he looks 14.

[Affeinvasion]

Even though they can generate ~7 clones of MVP who enjoy the same benefits...

which doesn't make any sense because it's not his genetics that make him MVP it was the ridiculous years long training regiment. Huge plothole in Initiative...not that anyone was paying attention.

[woodypop]

That is one hideous costume.

[~Devil Trigger~]

You forget The High, he was part of the reason Wildstorm earth turned into a shithole.

[Chamber]

That is one hideous costume.

Welcome to comic books, sir.