[Hitokage]

Mac OS X 10.7 Lion: the Ars Technica review something I found interesting one of the first things i did with the first developer preview was turn the blue lights back on. Guess I should try turning them off for a while just to see...

While I don't mind the idea of the OS automatically pushing programs in a dormant state to a terminated state, I'm not keen on the OS lying to me regarding the termination of one, especially when file locking, memory allocation, and rogue processes are considered.

No, they aren't as big of an issue in Snow Leopard, because I know what programs are open or closed.

I also agree with the review whole heartedly on the subject of scroll bars. They don't just provide action, they convey information, and it is unacceptable to have to manually check windows whether or not their displayed contents are comprehensive. Granted, they can convey this information differently, and I'd be fine with alternatives.

The section on iCal was also appreciated.

[snack]

LION!

[dream]

As fucked as natural scrolling feels on a trackpad, it's about 70000000x worse when you plug in a mouse and use the scroll wheel.

[Ashhong]

Now that Spaces are gone, how do I assign certain programs to certain spaces? And is there anyway to drag programs between spaces like before? I used to be able to drag programs say, from space 1 to space 4 by dragging the program to the bottom of space 1. Now I can only drag left and right and wait as it scrolls...

[IonicSnake]

Finally done installing, I must say I'm liking it a lot.

[Always-honest]

This is how Apple thinks your Launchpad screen will look:

yeah.. i don't like this. I want my desk to be clean.

[criesofthepast]

Anyone who's made a bootable dvd and done a fresh install can confirm that it takes forever to load the installer after holding option and selecting the installer disc?

How long do I wait? Nothing happens. Making a bootable usb now to see if thats any better.

[borghe]

I also agree with the review whole heartedly on the subject of scroll bars. They don't just provide action, they convey information, and it is unacceptable to have to manually check windows whether or not their displayed contents are comprehensive. Granted, they can convey this information differently, and I'd be fine with alternatives.

Haven't used Lion yet... but on iOS, scrolling with on-demand scrollbars popping up is much better IMHO. No you don't have the constant visual cue their, but at the same time I personally don't need it there because I am paying attention to the content, not the scrollbar. granted because iOS is an actual touch interface, I can literally just touch instead of moving a cursor there first then double touch drag.

I really think apple is just preparing people for 10.8 which will be built on Macs that are primarily touchscreen devices. Going from Snow Leopard (or the same scrolling that we've had for 25 years) would probably throw people for too much of a leap going right to touch screen with no scrollbars.

[Vinterbird]

So a few things:

- My battery is getting killed on Lion, anyone else experincing battery lifetime being shortend?

- How the hell do I make the deskptop icons smaller? They're insanely huge now


- With the new Thunderbolt only display from Apple, and Thunderbolt being the only thing except USB on all of the laptops I have one big question: How the hell do I hook it up to a normal VGA/DVI monitor?

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Couldn't stand seeing Dashboard as a "space" so glad I could turn that off. Felt like it defeated the purpose of Dashboard to begin with.

[dream]

So a few things: - My battery is getting killed on Lion, anyone else experincing battery lifetime being shortend?

Yup. I'm running much hotter too and I can't find anything out of the ordinary eating up CPU cycles in Activity Monitor.

[OldJadedGamer]

I'm not in a rush right now and reading more opinions. My iPad use has cut down on my laptop use by a large margin.

[Tunesmith]

yeah.. i don't like this. I want my desk to be clean.

Launchpad is not the Desktop, it's an app that fades in on-top of your screen when summoned.

[Hitokage]

Haven't used Lion yet... but on iOS, scrolling with on-demand scrollbars popping up is much better IMHO. No you don't have the constant visual cue their, but at the same time I personally don't need it there because I am paying attention to the content, not the scrollbar. granted because iOS is an actual touch interface, I can literally just touch instead of moving a cursor there first then double touch drag.

iOS is also designed to be run on small dedicated touchscreens that only run one active application at a time. You're touching the screen regardless. You're not scrolling a window regardless. Even then, I don't necessarily agree. It's like taking lifeboats out because they make the deck too "cluttered".

[Sullichin]

So a few things: - My battery is getting killed on Lion, anyone else experincing battery lifetime being shortend? - How the hell do I make the deskptop icons smaller? They're insanely huge now - With the new Thunderbolt only display from Apple, and Thunderbolt being the only thing except USB on all of the laptops I have one big question: How the hell do I hook it up to a normal VGA/DVI monitor?

There's adaptors for the thunderbolt port for VGA/DVI/etc

[Jtwo]

I have to make the step to snow leopard first, lol. Gonna do that here in the next couple hours.

[dream]

Now that Spaces are gone, how do I assign certain programs to certain spaces? And is there anyway to drag programs between spaces like before? I used to be able to drag programs say, from space 1 to space 4 by dragging the program to the bottom of space 1. Now I can only drag left and right and wait as it scrolls...

Go into Mission Control and add a new desktop (a + button should pop up at the very right of your Spaces row), then drag and drop the window you want to move to your new Space while you're still in Mission Control.

[criesofthepast]

Really pissed apple made it more difficult to do a clean install. Let me do what the fuck I want to do with my os without making me jump through hoops. Burning my own bootable DVD...fuck off.

[Tunesmith]

Go into Mission Control and add a new desktop (a + button should pop up at the very right of your Spaces row), then drag and drop the window you want to move to your new Space while you're still in Mission Control.

You can just drag apps to the + button and create a new desktop, then if you want you can *permanently assign that app to that specific desktop by right-click Options > Assign To X Desktop on the app's dock icon.

*until you manually delete the desktop.

[Shalashaska161]

Any point putting this thing on my 4 year old Macbook Pro or should I just stick with Snow Leopard?

[Benjamin1981]

So a few things: - How the hell do I make the deskptop icons smaller? They're insanely huge now

Right click on the icon --> "View options"

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Really pissed apple made it more difficult to do a clean install. Let me do what the fuck I want to do with my os without making me jump through hoops. Burning my own bootable DVD...fuck off.

You don't have a usb drive?

[kaskade]

Finally installing after some important files were backed up, just incase. I like the new status bar already. Bye snow leopard, you had an awesome run.

[criesofthepast]

You don't have a usb drive?

Trying that now. My DVD won't boot it just loads forever. Frustrated.

Edit: USB worked. :/

[UnluckyKate]

Am I really the only one bugged by the fact that Hyperspaces don't come along with Lion ?

[ksimm]

So a few things: - My battery is getting killed on Lion, anyone else experincing battery lifetime being shortend?

I found that after installing lion it was spotlight indexing everything that was eating the battery life, making my macbook pro run hotter than usual. After it finished all seems good.

Loving full screen apps and three finger gesture to flip between them!

[Always-honest]

Launchpad is not the Desktop, it's an app that fades in on-top of your screen when summoned.

Ah that's right.

[Jtwo]

Speaking of bootcamp whats the new bootcamp suite like?
IIRC, Snow Leopard added the ability to read your OSX partition.. anything neat with Lion?

[Jason Raize '75 - '04]

Can you change the icons on the sidebar? I need some colour in them

[Dreams-Visions]

CCC backing up my Snow Leopard install now. Are people clean installing or upgrading?

Pros/Cons for simply upgrading? After all, it would save me several hours of work if I can just upgrade...

[Ashhong]

I really tried to like the new "Natural Scrolling", I really did. But it just feels so wrong. I dont use the left and right full screen app scrolling, so I just went back to the old style. So good.

By the way, why does it seem like everyone is using Full Screen on so many apps when it seems like only Google Chrome and iTunes can do it for me? I dont even see the option in the App Store

[kaskade]

I'm pretty sure they made lion pretty much to be upgraded as the clean install is basically hidden.

Its kind of funny seeing the installs screen. Under the hood my OS is transforming.

[Paradoxal_Utopia]

The gizmodo review is absolutely idiotic, as predicted. Amazing that site has such a following when the articles and opinion pieces are so immature, childish, and demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of underlying concepts and principles. He's pretty much asking for iOS on a bigger screen, and is disappointed that did not happen, even thought it is unrealistic and would have been a disaster.

[Dreams-Visions]

I'm pretty sure they made lion pretty much to be upgraded as the clean install is basically hidden. Its kind of funny seeing the installs screen. Under the hood my OS is transforming.

Sweet. I'll do that then. If disaster strikes, my CCC backup of Snow Leopard will be waiting in the weeds.

[Jimmy Stav]

Posted on the last page, but no one responded:

I have a 3.5-ish year old non-unibody Macbook Pro with a mouse that only has three (including the scroll-wheel) buttons. Is it worth an upgrade? Should I get a new mouse? I'm very interested in buying this but I'm not sure I'll be able to take advantage of it with such limited control options.

[Mecha_Infantry]

How can I get the cookies bar back on the bottom of Finder window?

[Dreams-Visions]

How can I get the cookies bar back on the bottom of Finder window?

I believe it is an option under the View menu.

[Doytch]

How can I get the cookies bar back on the bottom of Finder window?

View > Show Path Bar

[scorcho]

How can I get the cookies bar back on the bottom of Finder window?

Show Path Bar.

[Soulscribe]

For some reason iPhoto is the only application that wasn't updated automatically from iLife. It still asks me if I want to upgrade to iLife '11 for like 15 bucks or whatever it is from the app store. Dunno how to fix that.

[dream]

I really tried to like the new "Natural Scrolling", I really did. But it just feels so wrong. I dont use the left and right full screen app scrolling, so I just went back to the old style. So good. By the way, why does it seem like everyone is using Full Screen on so many apps when it seems like only Google Chrome and iTunes can do it for me? I dont even see the option in the App Store

Are you using a desktop machine? I'm loving full screen apps on my notebook.

[AbsoluteZero]

Really tempted to dual boot Lion & Snow Leopard until I'm 100% certain I won't be running any PPC applications.

I might grab a cheap-o external HDD just for that purpose down the road if push comes to shove.

[Foov]

So back/forward trackpad gestures don't seem to work anymore in firefox. Is there any way to get them back?

[Ashhong]

Are you using a desktop machine? I'm loving full screen apps on my notebook.

I'm on a MBP. I already use my applications in Maximized mode (I manually stretch them out) so the full screen doesn't make a huge difference. Also I cant seem to activate full screen mode on anything except Chrome and Itunes

[scorcho]

So back/forward trackpad gestures don't seem to work anymore in firefox. Is there any way to get them back?

[Paradoxal_Utopia]

What the fuck- Appstore is telling me that Lion is 'installed' (ie. the buy button)- and won't let me purchase/download it. Any ideas? I've rebooted my mac (running snow leopard 10.6.8) to no avail.

[dream]

I'm on a MBP. I already use my applications in Maximized mode (I manually stretch them out) so the full screen doesn't make a huge difference. Also I cant seem to activate full screen mode on anything except Chrome and Itunes

Chrome doesn't even really do real full screen, unfortunately.

I have iLife 11 and Safari running in full screen right now and it's just a much nicer and more organized workflow.

I desperately want a full screen Reeder update, though.

[mrkgoo]

Arrrggh!

I knew this would happen.


I was going to hold off on getting Lion until the dust settled, but all the excitement and commotion has me itching.

What happens with Time Machine after you make an upgrade installation? Does it try to do a big crazy backup (ie size of entire contents), or just the updates from installing the OS?

I ask because my Time Machine drive is only about the same size as my internal at the moment, and as such, only has about 200GB free - if it chooses to try and backup everything, I will be forced to delete it and start fresh (ie no Snow Leopard backup).

[dream]

Here's something weird. Two finger scrolling works fine with my index and middle fingers (aligned vertically) but not with my index finger and thumb -- even on the same area of my trackpad. I wonder how it's detecting that.

[rezuth]

Any point putting this thing on my 4 year old Macbook Pro or should I just stick with Snow Leopard?

Faster than Snow Leopard for me