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edgefusion · (07-20-2011, 02:02 PM)

Originally Posted by scorcho:

the GM is the retail version.

No it's not, the build numbers are different. The GM build won't be seeded any future updates like 10.7.1, although you'll still get individual app updates (like iLife).

Asparagus · (07-20-2011, 02:02 PM)

It's great that you can download it for free if you recently purchased a Mac, got it downloading now :)

DoctorWho · (07-20-2011, 02:03 PM)

Originally Posted by dc89:

Confusion is accruing here:

http://att.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1191032

Wait, so the issue won't even let people download it? You just need to find the initial install file from the GM and delete it. Someone else mentioned that earlier. Then it will allow you to download the retail.

sn1pes · (07-20-2011, 02:04 PM)

Those of you on the GM, are you going to install the retail version? - Nevermind, the answer is yes.

Also, what's the consensus on in-place update vs clean install?

scorcho · (07-20-2011, 02:05 PM)

Originally Posted by DoctorWho:

Will it allow OS Software Updates? Past GMs had to upgraded, did they not?

AFAIK only if the release build was changed from the GM. that the MAS install gives the same build as the GM gives reason to think it's the same.

that said, someone could run an MD5 checksum on the DMG in the install app and compare it to the GM release to make certain.

Originally Posted by edgefusion:

No it's not, the build numbers are different. The GM build won't be seeded any future updates like 10.7.1, although you'll still get individual app updates (like iLife).

once MAS Lion is installed it gives the same build as the GM version.

Blu_LED · (07-20-2011, 02:06 PM)

Originally Posted by sn1pes:

Those of you on the GM, are you going to install the retail version? - Nevermind, the answer is yes.

Also, what's the consensus on in-place update vs clean install?

I'd like to know this as well. I'm installing this on a brand new computer, so there is really no reason not to do a clean install, right?

dc89 · (07-20-2011, 02:08 PM)

Where would the install file be saved to? Surely you don't actually mean the installer icon I saved to my desktop to install the GM From.

I'd only say clean install if your mac is over a year old tbh.

sn1pes · (07-20-2011, 02:09 PM)

Assuming you can get the retail downloaded, will the retail install over the GM?

My machine is a 2011 MBP, so it's new enough that I may not wipe assuming my question above can happen.

infiniteloop · (07-20-2011, 02:11 PM)

Originally Posted by dc89:

http://mobile.twitter.com/veeence/st...71381878849536

GM build number is 11A511, the on available in the App Store apparently carries build no. 11A494. So it's not the same.
42 minutes ago from Twitter for Mac

Don't know where this guy is getting that from, the build numbers are the same.

DoctorWho · 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by infiniteloop:

Don't know where this guy is getting that from, the build numbers are the same.

I assume there is something that tells the software update system that you're running retail and not GM. OS Updates only come to the retail version.

Actually, I wonder if OS Updates will be handled through the App Store now instead of Software Update?

This is starting to make sense.

For those who can't install retail because they have GM, backup (in case I'm wrong) and delete the installer file from your desktop. This should allow you to download and install the retail.

Blu_LED · (07-20-2011, 02:16 PM)

So, the problem is with people trying to upgrade from the beta? If I'm running just regular Snow Leopard, there's nothing to worry about?

DoctorWho · (07-20-2011, 02:17 PM)

Originally Posted by Blu_LED:

So, the problem is with people trying to upgrade from the beta? If I'm running just regular Snow Leopard, there's nothing to worry about?

Don't worry.

Solideliquid · (07-20-2011, 02:17 PM)

I'm upgrading to Lion on my 2010 iMac. Does Lion come with the FaceTime app or will I still have to buy it?

scorcho · (07-20-2011, 02:19 PM)

BTW, just verified on the GM release - the plist file in the GM installer also claims the same previous build as on twitter -

Code:

<key>BuildMachineOSBuild</key>
	<string>11A494</string>

it's the same folks. move on.

Jasoco · (07-20-2011, 02:21 PM)

Downloading now! Can't wait!

Also, the GM was not a Disk Image. At least not the one we got. It was an Application with Disk Images inside like I presume the full version that is downloading now will be.

Also, $70 for a fucking USB version? You might as well buy Snow Leopard because the only people who will need this are people without Snow Leopard. A USB stick is cheaper itself. So hopefully my instructions on how to make one yourself will be popular enough to get Apple to change something about that price.

celebi23 · (07-20-2011, 02:23 PM)

Originally Posted by scorcho:

BTW, just verified on the GM release - the plist file in the GM installer also claims the same previous build as on twitter -

Code:

<key>BuildMachineOSBuild</key>
	<string>11A494</string>

it's the same folks. move on.

Alright, thanks. I'll add the build info to the OP

DoctorWho · 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by scorcho:

BTW, just verified on the GM release - the plist file in the GM installer also claims the same previous build as on twitter -

Code:

<key>BuildMachineOSBuild</key>
	<string>11A494</string>

it's the same folks. move on.

This is starting to make sense. Instead of the build determining whether or not you will get OS Software Updates, it will be the Mac App Store that is tied to your account. If you purchased it through their store, you will get the updates, if not, you're screwed. It's a smart way to ensure people are actually buying it.

Devs with the GM probably don't need to update as their Apple ID accounts are already recognized as Dev accounts and they will be granted the updates.

Greyface · (07-20-2011, 02:25 PM)

Do the new Airs and Minis come with the Lion usb drive or is that supposed to be purchased separately?

scorcho · (07-20-2011, 02:27 PM)

Originally Posted by DoctorWho:

This is starting to make sense. Instead of the build determining wether or not you will get OS Software Updates, it will be the Mac App Store that is tied to your account. If you purchased it through their store, you will get the updates, if not, you're screwed. It's a smart way to ensure people are actually buying it.

not sure about screwed. MAS is the delivery mechanism for purchasing Lion; it stands to reason that all future software updates will still occur through, well, the software update mechanism (it's still there in Lion, after all). if you're on the DP or GM you can still 'buy' Lion by holding onto the option key and clicking the button. that'll negate the system check.

the big test will be whether the GM builds can be updated through that or the large standalone combo updates. i'm assuming they will since the builds are the same.

dc89 · (07-20-2011, 02:27 PM)

So to summarise if you have the GM and want to update to retail how do you do it?

Blu_LED · (07-20-2011, 02:27 PM)

Originally Posted by Greyface:

Do the new Airs and Minis come with the Lion usb drive or is that supposed to be purchased separately?

I would assume that the OS would just be installed on the computer, right out of the box.

scorcho · (07-20-2011, 02:28 PM)

Originally Posted by dc89:

So to summarise if you have the GM and want to update to retail how do you do it?

hold onto the option key and buy Lion from MAS. then follow the many guides online showing how to install a fresh Lion.

DoctorWho · (07-20-2011, 02:29 PM)

Originally Posted by scorcho:

not sure about screwed. MAS is the delivery mechanism for purchasing Lion; it stands to reason that all future software updates will still occur through, well, the software update mechanism (it's still there in Lion, after all). if you're on the DP or GM you can still 'buy' Lion by holding onto the option key and clicking the button. that'll negate the system check.

the big test will be whether the GM builds can be updated through that or the large standalone combo updates. i'm assuming they will since the builds are the same.

I think future updates will ONLY be handled through the MAS. That's my theory anyways. Combo Updates may require a MAS/Apple ID account check. The latter doesn't quite sound like Apple though.

dc89 · (07-20-2011, 02:31 PM)

Success!

Hold down Option key when you click the Lion App in the App Store.

This bypasses any version check.

Edit: beaten.

quadriplegicjon · (07-20-2011, 02:31 PM)

This thread is pretty large, so I don't know if this was answered, but how does this run on Core 2 Duos?

I have a 2009 2.66 GHz C2D, will it run like shit on my machine?

scorcho · (07-20-2011, 02:32 PM)

Originally Posted by DoctorWho:

I think future updates will ONLY be handled through the MAS. That's my theory anyways. Combo Updates may require a MAS/Apple ID account check. The latter doesn't quite sound like Apple though.

pinky bet ;)

DP updates went through Software Update even though devs 'purchased' Lion on MAS.

Originally Posted by quadriplegicjon:

This thread is pretty large, so I don't know if this was answered, but how does this run on Core 2 Duos?

I have a 2008 2.66 GHz C2D, will it run like shit on my machine?

it's more RAM and GPU-constrained than processor. you should be fine.

criesofthepast · (07-20-2011, 02:32 PM)

Originally Posted by DoctorWho:

I think future updates will ONLY be handled through the MAS. That's my theory anyways. Combo Updates may require a MAS/Apple ID account check. The latter doesn't quite sound like Apple though.

I hope not. I never open the MAS. Does it have a push setting that im missing? I had a twitter for Mac update waiting there for weeks and would have never known about it if I didnt accidentally click on the MAS icon on my dock.

DoctorWho · (07-20-2011, 02:33 PM)

Originally Posted by quadriplegicjon:

This thread is pretty large, so I don't know if this was answered, but how does this run on Core 2 Duos?

I have a 2009 2.66 GHz C2D, will it run like shit on my machine?

I have a 2008 iMac with similar specs and the GM ran great for me. I did a clean install though.

POWERSPHERE · (07-20-2011, 02:33 PM)

So does anyone know if this borks and programs or plug ins in Logic Pro, Final Cut or After Effects?

sn1pes · (07-20-2011, 02:34 PM)

So I like the new scrolling on the trackpad, but want the old style back when I'm using an external mouse.

Is there a setting or app that will let me have both automatically?

IonicSnake · (07-20-2011, 02:34 PM)

The up to date program only works if you live in US? :/

scorcho · (07-20-2011, 02:35 PM)

Originally Posted by POWERSPHERE:

So does anyone know if this borks and programs or plug ins in Logic Pro, Final Cut or After Effects?

don't know about the first two, but plain AE 5.5 runs fine on Lion.

Mailenstein · (07-20-2011, 02:36 PM)

Did anybody with rEFIt installed update already? Any problems?

infiniteloop · (07-20-2011, 02:37 PM)

Originally Posted by IonicSnake:

The up to date program only works if you live in US? :/

No. You need to go to the Apple site of your country.

jts · (07-20-2011, 02:37 PM)

Welp, bought and downloaded. Will install later. My penis is ready.

Shalashaska161 · (07-20-2011, 02:38 PM)

Wait so they're not doing a CD release but instead a USB one? That's kinda weird...

TacticalFox88 · (07-20-2011, 02:38 PM)

Lion is the King of the Jungle, indeed. Godly OS this is.

upandaway · (07-20-2011, 02:40 PM)

I am so ready. Think I'll do a fresh install.

Do they give you the option to choose? I remember with Snow Leopard it just defaulted to "upgrade" and I had to reformat the HD manually.

Liquid_015 · (07-20-2011, 02:40 PM)

I currently own an Unibody Macbook 5,1: 2.4Ghz C2D, 2GB Ram, GPU: 9400M. I was wondering if I should update to Lion given my current computer specs? I bought the laptop when it was first introduced by apple sometime in 2008, so is it time to upgrade?

DrEvil · (07-20-2011, 02:43 PM)

Originally Posted by DoctorWho:

But GM builds don't give you software updates. No one wants to be stuck on the GM.

I installed the GM build for SL when it came out, and it upgraded throughout the year with no issue.

Zombie James · (07-20-2011, 02:43 PM)

Is the only way to buy this individually? I work in an office with only 3 or 4 Macs and it'd be nice to have a group option.

ZZMitch · (07-20-2011, 02:43 PM)

I bought a Mac in late June, am I eligible to get it for free?

edit - Also, this shouldn't effect my Windows bootcamp partition should it?

JAVK · 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by infiniteloop:

No. You need to go to the Apple site of your country.

That won't work. If you read the terms and conditions for the Up To Date program, it says:

This offer is good only in the United States (50 states and the District of Columbia) and Canada, and valid only in accordance with the terms set forth in this document.

This sucks because the guy at the apple store in AUS told me I would get a free update for my iMac.

EDIT: I was wrong, Aussie's use this link to claim your up to date program:

http://www.apple.com/au/macosx/uptodate/

Jasoco · (07-20-2011, 02:45 PM)

I just hope when 10.7.1 comes out, it doesn't require the App Store because I will not be keeping my entire Lion Installer app in there. Please let the normal Software Update work like it should!

Killthee · (07-20-2011, 02:47 PM)

Originally Posted by ZZMitch:

I bought a Mac in late June, am I eligible to get it for free?

edit - Also, this shouldn't effect my Windows bootcamp partition should it?

http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/

IonicSnake · (07-20-2011, 02:47 PM)

Downloading now!

Originally Posted by JAVK:

That won't work. If you read the terms and conditions for the Up To Date program, it says:

This offer is good only in the United States (50 states and the District of Columbia) and Canada, and valid only in accordance with the terms set forth in this document.

This sucks because the guy at the apple store in AUS told me I would get a free update for my iMac.

I had to google Lion up to date SE to get to the swedish site. Apple couldn't have made this any harder to find.

Awesome Animals · 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Asparagus:

It's great that you can download it for free if you recently purchased a Mac, got it downloading now :)

How recent is recently? Source?

Edit::
Aww...looks like I missed out. Although, it isnt that expensive.

DoctorWho · (07-20-2011, 02:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Jasoco:

I just hope when 10.7.1 comes out, it doesn't require the App Store because I will not be keeping my entire Lion Installer app in there. Please let the normal Software Update work like it should!

You don't need to keep the installer after it is installed. Just delete it or store it on USB. The App Store will simply run the update.

So now that we're confident that the GM and Retail are the same build number, is there any reason for me to install the version I'm downloading from the MAS right now?

Wallach · (07-20-2011, 02:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Awesome Animals:

How recent is recently? Source?

Two posts above yours.

Flek · (07-20-2011, 02:48 PM)

on lion now and i love how you can basically do every "gesture" with the mighty mouse :D

also WOW at system spell checking it just corrected my gesture in a second …sweet!
+ i love love the "page back" effect in safari