[shadowsdarknes]

The amount of ignorance that comes out of your mouth never ceases to amaze me.

Where's the ignorance? It's a personal observation. He's not saying all blacks under 25 don't tip.

[LuchaShaq]

I take it you don't get out much/have a lot of friends.

No I just don't eat out much. Not counting the taco truck/sushi place right near my work where I usually go for lunch me and the gf go out to eat maybe once a month.

We would rather cook something for ourselves+our friends and then go out and do something less boring than a restaurant.


Edit:

The one time I ever worked a job with "tipping" (gas station attendant/garage book keeper) the best tippers were

Attractive college aged white girls, from shit cars to obviously bought by their parent's BMW's. probably because I was flirty and not creepy.

Elderly black women.

Middle aged white guys with European accents.

20s-30s Landscapers because I would bust my ass to fill their truck/mowers/gas cans fast so they didn't have to wait for 30 min in line like they would with the guy who worked the days I didn't.

Almost never did I get tipped by anyone else. Oh well make more now tips or not.

[Seep]

Nah, it's all good. There are plenty of other decent people that come in and tip what they should to make up for it. People like you deserve to get shitty service, and shouldn't ever expect to get good service with an attitude like yours.

After you've busted your ass serving me like a king for over an hour I'm just gonna get up and tip you scotch mist and walk out of that place never to return.

I work for my money do I get tips? do I fuck, it's your shitty culture not mine.

[GuitarAtomik]

I think he meant that you might as well skip out on the tab, IE not even pay the base cost of the food.

That's what I meant. Though now that I think about it, some restaurants make the waiter pay for it if they skip out, so on second thought don't do that :lol.

[See You Next Wednesday]

In Season 1 of Louie, there was a segment on this. A white waitress complains that her table is all black and therefore she will be working for free. Louis CK calls her a racist. A black waitress steps in and calls Louis CK a dumbass for his ignorance, reaffirming the white waitresses claim that blacks don't tip.

I can reaffirm all the second hand word of mouth. I had a few people I knew that worked at a restaurant & would always complain when there were a lot of black people. They told me they would NEVER get any tips that day.

[Battersea Power Station]

After you've busted your ass serving me like a king for over an hour I'm just gonna get up and tip you scotch mist and walk out of that place never to return. I work for my money do I get tips? do I fuck, it's your shitty culture not mine.

I doubt it. It seems like you stay at home and beat off, thinking about how much of a rebel you are.

[mac]

No I just don't eat out much. Not counting the taco truck/sushi place right near my work where I usually go for lunch me and the gf go out to eat maybe once a month. We would rather cook something for ourselves+our friends and then go out and do something less boring than a restaurant.

Well, I guess you are a great candidate to explain the nuances of eating at a restaurant.

[BigJonsson]

Where the fuck do you work, so I can let your manager know you are discouraging people from going to your establishment unless they are willing to pay you, an entitled lowly-ass server, 15% to 20% of the bill. What kind of attitude is this? How about you find another job if you don't like certain aspects of your current one?

Managers usually don't want people inside who aren't gonna tip

[outunderthestars]

I can reaffirm all the second hand word of mouth. I had a few people I knew that worked at a restaurant & would always complain when there were a lot of black people. They told me they would NEVER get any tips that day.

Canadians. Servers call black people Canadians.

[masud]

Normally, I'm not a huge fan of California. But this makes me smile and should be enacted in every state!

That would never work in NYC, we just wouldn't have restaurants.

[shadowsdarknes]

After you've busted your ass serving me like a king for over an hour I'm just gonna get up and tip you scotch mist and walk out of that place never to return. I work for my money do I get tips? do I fuck, it's your shitty culture not mine.

Calling other people's cultures and standards "shitty" is what is wrong with this world.
We don't need douchebags who think their way is the best way in this world.

If you're not going to tip, then fine. Don't be an asshole about it.

[Fusebox]

There's nothing busted here.

I didn't say the system was busted, although imo it is inherently busted.

I was saying the myth that tipping improves service is busted, which anyone who has travelled to Tokyo would attest to.

[Tideas]

When I delivered pizza back in college, I used to hate going into the mostly black neighborhoods for this exact reason. Drive across town, wasting expensive gas money and then get bitched at about half the time when I didn't give people their coin change back. lol. There were times when, desperate to get SOMETHING out of the whole thing, I would reach into my pockets and pretend I was out of change. I got into a shouting match over 6 cents once, because of that. I also remember driving through an ice storm (in North Carolina, this was, so the roads were an absolute nightmare even for me, who hailed from the north) delivering some black dude his pizza and then being demanded exact change. My boss called the dude up and yelled at him after I got back. Haha. You know, the worst part though was feeling like a racist for not wanting to ever go to those parts of town or houses where you knew black families lived. I suppose, in retrospect, it kind of was/is racist of me, but damnit... when someone drives across town to give you some friggin' food, the least you can do is give him a dollar or two for gas. 'eh... This might have been more appropriate for the pizza delivery thread. oh well.

if u do'nt like your job...don't work it?

[The Faceless Master]

The amount of ignorance that comes out of your mouth never ceases to amaze me.

yeah.

i've never seen a black person not tip.

everyone saying 'black people don't tip' is fucking crazy or something.

everyone black i've gone to restaurants with has tipped around 15%

friends, family, acquaintances, etc...



there was this one time when there was a dispute about how much to tip at an all-you-can-eat buffet, i said it was 15% is fine since it's not that expensive anyway, and my cousin agreed, but my aunt insisted that it was too much, since it wasn't a real full service restaurant, and the waitress had a "holy shit" look on her face when she got the tip..

[AndresON777]

Managers usually don't want people inside who aren't gonna tip

false. managers only care about food sales they could care less about you.

[zlatko]

Here's a tip: GET A REAL JOB YA BUM!

[Zaptruder]

It all depends. There's nothing busted here. If in Tokyo they don't do tipping, they are obviously being payed a wage. That's great that you've gotten good service in Tokyo, but the system is just different. If in NYC a waiter is making 2.13 an hour, tip size is going to affect morale. No matter what, the server should do his/her best job. Tipping might not improve service in Japan, but it certainly is going to have an effect when you make 2.13 an hour and you have to tip a percentage to the bartenders, foodrunners, bussers, etc. Lack of tipping doesn't just hurt the waiter, it affects a lot more people around you than you may think. A few rogue shitty tippers aren't going to get the system changed so the house is paying real wages.

You might want to jump back up to my rant about tipping cultures to follow the proper context of the conversation (or at least Jonm's reply to it).

[Xyrmellon]

Normally, I'm not a huge fan of California. But this makes me smile and should be enacted in every state!

That's because in California everything is 3X more expensive than anywhere else!

[LuchaShaq]

Well, I guess you are a great candidate to explain the nuances of eating at a restaurant.

I worked as a prep cook/dishwasher for a summer in the pretty nice restaurant first year of college. Unless you are a waiter at fucking Hell's Kitchen, service isn't that nauanced.

Edit

Pizza Deliveries: Have maybe 1-2 times a year. If your company charges a delivery fee and they don't pay you any of that, not my fault you let them screw you. If no delivery fee I'll tip about 10$ depending on what my change is/the price of gas. Driving a pizza somewhere doesn't take skill, but it takes gas and much more time/effort than walking 20 feet to the kitchen.

[outunderthestars]

I didn't say the system was busted, although imo it is inherently busted. I was saying the myth that tipping improves service is busted, which anyone who has travelled to Tokyo would attest to.

Really? Compare the average attitude of a waiter or bartender to that of a fast food worker.

I find that the vast majority of waitstaff I encounter are incredibly friendly and helpful.

I worked as a prep cook/dishwasher for a summer in the pretty nice restaurant first year of college. Unless you are a waiter at fucking Hell's Kitchen, service isn't that nauanced.

Yea, three months of washing dishes totally makes you an expert.....

[Seep]

I doubt it. It seems like you stay at home and beat off, thinking about how much of a rebel you are.

It's not the norm here so how can it be rebellious?

[Big Baybee]

yeah. i've never seen a black person not tip. everyone saying 'black people don't tip' is fucking crazy or something. everyone black i've gone to restaurants with has tipped around 15% friends, family, acquaintances, etc...

Pretty much.

[ghostofsparta]

20% you waiters say....



20 percent for asking me if everything is fine minutes after I order something and disappearing for the rest of the time? Fuck off. You get max 10% from me and be grateful for that.

[Saadster]

Ha all the people who denounce tipping, if you guys were to be waiters some day you would be eating your words.

[Dark Knyght]

Okay Server-Gaf, question. I just finished eating a meal that costs $100 in which you guys suggest that I should leave a $20 tip. Now if I order a $100 bottle of wine, you saying I should leave an extra $20 making it $40?

[FStop7]

My friends and I tip heavily, in the 50% range, if the service is good. Especially if we're regulars. Once the staff gets to know us we never have to wait for a table (bypassing a 90 minute wait on Father's Day for example), are given extra attention, freebies, etc.

That said, I do not care for the default expectation of tipping. I think they're earned. It's not like I have a secret score card, but there are things I expect from the wait staff. Refills, checking on us regularly, getting the orders right the first time, etc.

My biggest pet peeve though are built-in gratuities. I hate them. What motivation is there for good service if the reward is mandatory? If you're going to tack an 18% gratuity onto my bill then I'm not giving a penny more. And it lowers my general opinion of the establishment.

If you suggesting the person who picks up the money for tip, goes to back and splits it with his co-workers, then I need to find this fantasy island in which you live on.

Uhh, this is a standard practice at most restaurants. Tips are divided among the entire staff at the end of the day.

[x-Lundz-x]

false. managers only care about food sales they could care less about you.

You are wrong.

Okay Server-Gaf, question. I just finished eating a meal that costs $100 in which you guys suggest that I should leave a $20 tip. Now if I order a $100 bottle of wine, you saying I should leave an extra $20 making it $40?

Damn straight, I'm still serving your ass and if you can afford a $100 bottle of wine you can afford to tip 20 bucks more for that extra hour long experience it's going to take you to drink it and it taking up my table from someone else. Is that hard to understand?

[ChocolateCupcakes]

15% and no more unless they were really good servers/I'm feeling generous.

[LuchaShaq]

Really? Compare the average attitude of a waiter or bartender to that of a fast food worker. I find that the vast majority of waitstaff I encounter are incredibly friendly and helpful. Yea, three months of washing dishes totally makes you an expert.....

Never claimed to be an expert, but besides a few rare occurrences never been in a restaurant where the job couldn't be done by a damn roomba with a voice recorder duct tapped to it.

Want to be paid like a skilled worker? Work on some skills...or be super hot and flirty.

[Eggman]

1% if you're lucky.

[Fusebox]

Really? Compare the average attitude of a waiter or bartender to that of a fast food worker.

Irrelevant.

With regards to the example I was discussing, you would need to compare the average attitude of a waiter or bartender who receives tips (NYC) to the average attitude of a waiter or bartender who doesn't receive tips (Tokyo).

[jmdajr]

My friends and I tip heavily, in the 50% range, if the service is good. Especially if we're regulars. Once the staff gets to know us we never have to wait for a table (bypassing a 90 minute wait on Father's Day for example), are given extra attention, freebies, etc. That said, I do not care for the default expectation of tipping. I think they're earned. It's not like I have a secret score card, but there are things I expect from the wait staff. Refills, checking on us regularly, getting the orders right the first time, etc. My biggest pet peeve though are built-in gratuities. I hate them. What motivation is there for good service if the reward is mandatory? If you're going to tack an 18% gratuity onto my bill then I'm not giving a penny more. And it lowers my general opinion of the establishment.

I never give more when tip is included

[JakkuFurosu]

Never claimed to be an expert, but besides a few rare occurrences never been in a restaurant where the job couldn't be done by a damn roomba with a voice recorder duct tapped to it. Want to be paid like a skilled worker? Work on some skills...or be super hot and flirty.

just with your general attitude in this thread i wouldnt think youd make any money...A big part of the job is being personable and dealing with bullshit which are skillsets you seem to be lacking.

[outunderthestars]

Irrelevant. With regards to the example I was discussing, you would need to compare the average attitude of a waiter or bartender who receives tips (NYC) to the average attitude of a waiter or bartender who doesn't receive tips (Tokyo).

Compare the average worker in any field in Tokyo to NYC..... There is a cultural difference at play that goes beyond tipping.

Okay Server-Gaf, question. I just finished eating a meal that costs $100 in which you guys suggest that I should leave a $20 tip. Now if I order a $100 bottle of wine, you saying I should leave an extra $20 making it $40?

Yes.

Never claimed to be an expert, but besides a few rare occurrences never been in a restaurant where the job couldn't be done by a damn roomba with a voice recorder duct tapped to it. Want to be paid like a skilled worker? Work on some skills...or be super hot and flirty.

You truly are a class act all around.

[Asuma01]

If you cant afford a 20% tip then dont eat at that restaurant, find a less expensive place or eat fast food? ... seems pretty simple...

[Dreams-Visions]

yeah. i've never seen a black person not tip. everyone saying 'black people don't tip' is fucking crazy or something. everyone black i've gone to restaurants with has tipped around 15% friends, family, acquaintances, etc...

same.

[Death Dealer]

Grocery loader: Check with store policy if tips are accepted. If so, $1 for bringing bags to car; $1.50 to $3 if you have more than 3 bags.

Why not just offer a tip anyway and they'll reject it if they want ? Do you really need someone''s permission ?

When I was 16-17, I bagged groceries. One year I worked an 8 hour shift on Christmas day. At the time it was a big deal. It was the only grocery store chain open on that Christmas. We were slammed all day. Every checkout stand open and lines 7-8 carts deep.

I must have helped at least a dozen people out to their car, loaded an entire cart's worth of groceries etc, the entire day I didn't get a single tip. Not one dollar, On Christmas day. All because the store said, no that's ok, be a cheapskate, you don't need to tip them. That's why we pay them $5 an hour.

[LuchaShaq]

If you cant afford a 20% tip then dont eat at that restaurant, find a less expensive place or eat fast food? ... seems pretty simple...

If you can't afford to make minimum wage don't work as a server and beg for money like the guy under the bridge because you can walk 20 feet and parrot back an order......seems pretty simple.....

[velvet_nitemare]

Wait, i thought 15% was standard?

[Fusebox]

Compare the average worker in any field in Tokyo to NYC..... There is a cultural difference at play that goes beyond tipping.

Right, the average quality of wait staff in the NYC was much lower than in Tokyo. So as a visitor, why should I feel obliged to join the American socialist movement and give 20% of the bill to a NYC waiter for bog-stock service when I didn't pay it to a Tokyo waiter for first-class, bow-when-I-enter-and-take-my-jacket-even-though-its-just-a-cafe service?

[soundahfekz]

I tip 20% or more and I'm black so fuck that guy/gal in the OP

[jmdajr]

Wait, i thought 15% was standard?

it is.

20% is bullshit. Someone is sneaking that in to confuse you.

That's not to say I've never done it, but the norm is 15.

[Dark Knyght]

You are wrong. Damn straight, I'm still serving your ass and if you can afford a $100 bottle of wine you can afford to tip 20 bucks more for that extra hour long experience it's going to take you to drink it and it taking up my table from someone else. Is that hard to understand?

Yes it is, because your assuming that I'm going to stay for an extra hour. Would it be different if I took the wine to go?

[Asuma01]

If you can't afford to make minimum wage don't work as a server and beg for money like the guy under the bridge because you can walk 20 feet and parrot back an order......seems pretty simple.....

If you dont want to tip then dont go to places where you are being served. See? simple :)

[jmdajr]

Better question. Do you tip on pick up orders?

[mac]

So as a visitor, why should I feel obliged to join the American socialist movement and give 20% of the bill to a NYC waiter for bog-stock service when I wouldn't pay it to a Tokyo waiter for first-class, bow-when-I-enter-and-take-my-jacket-even-though-its-just-a-cafe service?

Sometimes it's fun to acclimate to the host culture and adopt it's customs and norms.

If you dont want to tip then dont go to places where you are being served. See? simple :)

I don't know why that is so hard. Some people at the airport go the the Sky Lounge and some people go to the McDonald's. People just feel entitled to services without paying.

[outunderthestars]

So as a visitor, why should I feel obliged to join the American socialist movement and give 20% of the bill to a NYC waiter for bog-stock service when I wouldn't pay it to a Tokyo waiter for first-class, bow-when-I-enter-and-take-my-jacket-even-though-its-just-a-cafe service?

Oh god. tipping is socialism now? Do you even understand what that word means?

And the difference is that tipping is expected in the US. The business plan and pay structure is based on it.

[soundscream]

Tattoo/Body Piercing: 20%. More for custom or difficult work. Tattoo touch-ups min. $10, Jewelry insertions min. $5.00. Related Article

Why?

I am usually a 20% tipper, but never for tattoos.

My tip is my repeat business. I am not tipping $60 on a $300 tattoo, for a couple dollars of ink that was used.

[Gully State]

Compare the average worker in any field in Tokyo to NYC..... There is a cultural difference at play that goes beyond tipping. Yes. You truly are a class act all around.

So Americans are inherently lazy whiny assholes unless properly incentivized...that sure speaks well of us..

[Fusebox]

Sometimes it's fun to acclimate to the host culture and adopt it's customs and norms.

Don't get me wrong, I tip. I'm specifically referring to the suggestion earlier that waiters who receive tips provide better service, when everything I've seen points to the exact opposite.

Oh god. tipping is socialism now? Do you even understand what that word means?

How is mandatory tipping not wealth-redistribution? I'm not talking about tipping for great service, I'm talking about the idea of mandatory 15-20% tipping regardless of the quality of service.