[Dark Knyght]

No it is not broken at all. You pay more for a meal, you should expect nicer service. Just like when you pay more for a car, you expect a nicer car. Based on your mentality, you should receive the SAME EXACT SERVICE no matter where you eat or how much it costs? So I guess you expect the same level of quality, attention, and service for your 2 for 20 dollar meal at chili's as opposed to your 200 dollar meal at Bob's Chophouse and Steak? Are you seriously trying to make that argument?

I'm talking about spending different amounts of money in the same establishment. Obviously I'm not comparing Mcdonalds, to some upscale restaurant on a rooftop with a view of the city, with a live opera playing in the background where wearing anything less than I three piece suit is underdressed. If two people are in the same restaurant they should receive the same quality of service regardless if I'm spending $20 or $100.

[Jonm1010]

Then why not extend this to all services and not just wait staff?

I think it is in certain areas.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

It may be better for workers who prefer a stable income instead of relying on inconsistent tips, something they constantly complain about. And it could help reduce instances where workers are taken advantage of. If you simply pay a proper wage, then the business can not withhold or divide up tips in inconsistent or arbitrary ways.

Those are fair and interesting arguments but I will eat three hats if that is why people are against tipping in this thread.

[LuchaShaq]

Then this whole argument is academic? What are you arguing against tipping for if you don't mind a 20% hike in the price of food? Do you just really really really hate simple math?

I'd rather pay 100$ for a meal with a higher percentage going towards the chef, than pay 80 and having an "optional" tip to the waiter

[Fusebox]

There are so many different situations that I see as blatantly unfair to a customer and a server when it comes to tipping. I've seen situations where I waited on a family of 6 people, with 1 kid in a highchair, 1 in a booster seat and they all ordered sandwiches. Their bill came to $50 and I got a $5 tip, but I worked my fucking ass off for those people and had one helluva mess to clean up when they left. I certainly did a lot more than $5 worth of work for those people. Then I also had a situation where a couple comes in and only orders a $100 bottle of Dom. All I did was take them the bottle, walk by and fill their wine glass up twice and exchange pleasantries, yet they were expected to leave me a $10-$20 tip. I did nowhere near $10-$20 worth of work for those people.

The family of 6 probably has a lot less disposable income than the couple drinking the Dom, so it all seems to even out fine so far as I'm concerned. You still got tipped didn't you?

[tino]

LOL nobody can make me pay 20%. Waitering is not a skill job, don't pretend your job is hard. 15% is all you are going to get from me.

[perfectnight]

Tough times. Black unemployment is at 16%+.

[entrement]

For those who are saying the restaurant industry is underpaying servers, most servers prefer the tip system over a higher, yet steady wage.

[Count Dookkake]

The family of 6 probably has a lot less disposable income than the couple drinking the Dom, so it all seems to even out fine so far as I'm concerned. You still got tipped didn't you?

Boo-hoo. Kids are optional.

[Jonm1010]

I prefer the other system and unlike your hypothetical assertion, some of the best service I've gotten have come from restaurants in countries where there isn't tipping. Tipping doesn't encourage better service. It just deflects the issue of poor wages onto the customer instead of the employers.

Its anecdotal evidence, just like yours. Neither of our anecdotal evidence is any more valid than the others.

Its certainly the most cynical way to look at it. Fact is though, if you paid them a decent wage then food prices go up and more than likely the number on staff would also drop. That would mean that you'd be asking servers to do more than they currently do and stretch them to the point that service would probably suffer. Furthermore, as already stated, the system now allows a reward/punishment system that incentivizes good service. The choice is a system that pays servers a flat wage and lowers the incentive, or a system that has a fluctuating rate that incentivizes good service. My anecdotal evidence has liked the latter better.

I would say a lot of the courtesies also have to do with culture. Japan for example is very proper and polite. Just because that has been instilled so hard and that you get courteous service regardless doesnt also mean that it is due to the fact that people arent required to tip. They might do it in spite of that fact. And no one has presented evidence to prove that not tipping is the reason the service is supposedly better. Or that it wouldnt be better if that system was implemented in those countries.

[x-Lundz-x]

I'd rather pay 100$ for a meal with a higher percentage going towards the chef, than pay 80 and having an "optional" tip to the waiter

The chef makes a salary, and also takes a cut of the tips most places. The server makes 2.13 an hour, and has to pay out tips. Try working in a restaurant and come back when you have some knowledge.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

I'd rather pay 100$ for a meal with a higher percentage going towards the chef, than pay 80 and having an "optional" tip to the waiter

Why would a higher percentage be going towards the chef? The restaurant can't pay $2.33 an hour anymore to the wait staff. It probably can't just pay minimum wage, either, as the job seems to support greater than minimum wage now. The increased cost would largely go to the wait staff.

[sly2thefox]

Then this whole argument is academic? What are you arguing against tipping for if you don't mind a 20% hike in the price of food? Do you just really really really hate simple math?

Because there is always discrepancy between customers. Many in Gaf including myself didn't know 20% was the new norm. Why not just increase the prices so waiters are happy, customers aren't judged based on their age, ethnicity etc. I believe waiters deserve a starting minimum salary. Hell if they are excellent then be obliged to tip them as something extra but IMO they shouldn't have to expect 20% tips just to make around the minimum age. Thats ridiculous. Plus with all these preconceived notions that ex.black ppl don't tip and drunk 25-30 ppl tip bullshit only causes stereotypes and racism. Also, as a customer I don't want to be threatened that if I didn't tip enough my food will be vandalized.

[lightless_shado]

Tough times. Black unemployment is at 16%+.

Which is precisely why you shouldn't be going out to eat.

[Dark FaZe]

Barber: 15% to 20%, minimum $1, for a haircut. For other services (shampoo, shave or manicure) tip $1 to $2 to service provider.

I know it sounds bad..but I hate leaving tips for the barber.

[mac]

sorry man but the dishwashers are usually the ones busting their ass the hardest and get no tips at all.

I've worked as a dishwasher and it's not hard. It's downright leisurely compared to being a cook. And as a cook I can't count the number of times daily that I remarked, thank god I don't have to deal with the ass hats being fed.


So what constitutes bad service for you all? A distant and cold waiter? A forgotten ice-tea? For me it's being treated coldly. But then again I don't make burdening requests or demands in a condescending way. A forgotten drink or a late check is just something that may come up and can be easily handled. It's the people think the staff is there to act as your personal butler that offend me. There are always hysterical types who need something to complain about. I expect most of you aren't like that.

There are two roles, the customer and the server. Both should know how to properly act. A server expecting 20% all the time is a dick but expecting it for exemplary service isn't crazy.

I'd rather pay 100$ for a meal with a higher percentage going towards the chef, than pay 80 and having an "optional" tip to the waiter

Well it does. Didn't your 3 months as a dishwasher teach you that?

[Replicant]

And it would be even more expensive if the restaurant had to pay the staff their current real wages.

I don't see the problem with that. It's better for the waiters. And customers will know upfront the price of the foods they are going to purchase. It's not going to suddenly cause a lot of people to stop eating out. The practice obviously works for the rest of the world.

[tino]

I have worked as a waiter for 4 years in 3 different restaurants and I think the business of tipping is bullshit. Its so arbitrary. Restaurants owners should do a draw vs. commission like some sales organizations do. Set a mandatory tip included in the bill. Then set a number, say $16/hr for a server. All tips are given to the house under a server number for whoever waited on which table. If you averaged less than $16/hr for your shift, then the house pays you the difference up to your $16/hr. If you average over $16 hour, you keep whatever is over. There are so many different situations that I see as blatantly unfair to a customer and a server when it comes to tipping. I've seen situations where I waited on a family of 6 people, with 1 kid in a highchair, 1 in a booster seat and they all ordered sandwiches. Their bill came to $50 and I got a $5 tip, but I worked my fucking ass off for those people and had one helluva mess to clean up when they left. I certainly did a lot more than $5 worth of work for those people. Then I also had a situation where a couple comes in and only orders a $100 bottle of Dom. All I did was take them the bottle, walk by and fill their wine glass up twice and exchange pleasantries, yet they were expected to leave me a $10-$20 tip. I did nowhere near $10-$20 worth of work for those people.

You should work for a restaurant in Asia. They don't do "tips" over there. You get paid for fixed amount.

[leadbelly]

I know it sounds bad..but I hate leaving tips for the barber.

I'm kind of glad really we don't really have this tipping culture in the UK. Decent restaurants are really the only place where you're obliged to tip. Even in a pub restaurant you don't need to tip.

I mean, tipping a barber who you're paying to cut your hair in the first place. It doesn't make any sense.

[Count Dookkake]

How about those scumbags who only tip on the post-coupon bill?




I'd love to see a restaurant that had the guts to make fun of pooorly behaved patrons. Maybe have a siren go off and a spotlight aimed at the offender.

[SlipperySlope]

I'd rather pay 100$ for a meal with a higher percentage going towards the chef, than pay 80 and having an "optional" tip to the waiter

At most restaurants, the head chef either owns the place or has a very large stake. They get paid well.

[Replicant]

I'm kind of glad really we don't really have this tipping culture in the UK. Decent restaurants are really the only place where you're obliged to tip. Even in a pub restaurant you don't need to tip. I mean, tipping a barber who you're paying to cut your hair in the first place. It doesn't make any sense.

I was stressed out when I stayed at a hotel in SF because I wasn't sure if I should tip the guy who brings me newspaper and fresh towel and the lady who tidy up the bed. Because they always had this hopeful look that I'd give them something (which I eventually did). But it's not like I asked them to do that and moreover, in hotels everywhere else in the world, it's expected that cleaners clean your room.

[masud]

The solution to the whole system would be to pay servers minimum wage or above and let tips be simply extra on top for exceptional service.

The solution to what? You being a cheapskate? The system works, most people in America have no issue with it.

[GDGF]

I hate the norm of tipping $1 for a beer. All you did was uncap it or pour it from a tap... that deserves an entire freakin' dollar???

I always tip after my second beer. It usually gets me the third one free.

[Fusebox]

How about those scumbags who only tip on the post-coupon bill? I'd love to see a restaurant that had the guts to make fun of pooorly behaved patrons. Maybe have a siren go off and a spotlight aimed at the offender.

I tip, but I don't think people who don't tip properly are scumbags or poorly behaved, we all have difference circumstances.

As if anyone would return to a restaurant that obsessed over tips so much that they'd make a public spectacle about it anyway, now that's some real scumbag behaviour right there.

The system works, most people in America have no issue with it.

Judging by this thread that isn't the case.

[Blackace]

I know it sounds bad..but I hate leaving tips for the barber.

Tips for bartenders and barbers should be natural..... Waiters don't actually make your food, while I don't mind tipping them and do.. These people can hook you up or do you wrong..

[Blackace]

Not insulted, just confused. "Sir, you forgot your money!"

That too. But people forget that Japn is a wear one face but mean something else culture... Some of these college kids working these jobs really do want that money but can't just take outright and have to make a show out of it...

But I can promise none of them are cussing dirty gaijin for insulting them with extra money

[Count Dookkake]

I tip, but I don't think people who don't tip properly are scumbags or poorly behaved, we all have difference circumstances. As if anyone would return to a restaurant that obsessed over tips so much that they'd make a public spectacle about it anyway, now that's some real scumbag behaviour right there.

That would be the point, for them not to return. If they do return, maybe they will behave better.

See also: MAGNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

[leadbelly]

I was stressed out when I stayed at a hotel in SF because I wasn't sure if I should tip the guy who brings me newspaper and fresh towel and the lady who tidy up the bed. Because they always had this hopeful look that I'd give them something (which I eventually did). But it's not like I asked them to do that and moreover, in hotels everywhere else in the world, it's expected that cleaners clean your room.

Yeah. It confuses me as well. I have no idea what the hell I'm supposed to pay. That's part of the reason of why I hate it.

The solution to what? You being a cheapskate? The system works, most people in America have no issue with it.

Some people outside of America are sort of bemused by it. If I buy a beer I don't understand why I should be tipping him for giving me that beer. I just bought it. What am I paying for now? lol

[kswiston]

My tip depends on the price of my meal. If I am buying a $6 meal from a mom and pop diner, I'll give a $2 tip. Sure it is 25% but leaving a dollar feels really cheap.

If the meal is $30-50, they get 15% unless the service was amazing.

[Zefah]

Again clearly, painfully obvious who has never been a server.

Ok, so what other kind of work have you done to think that being a server can be considered "busting one's ass"?

[JakkuFurosu]

If I by a beer I don't understand why I should be tipping him for giving me that beer. I just bought it. What am I paying for now? lol

lol thats really a good point and I had to ponder that for a second being I dont know what bartenders make...This a "instilled in me since I can remember" deal. I guess for me the tip will keep me not waiting for a drink (it can suck trying to wait for a drink in a crowded bar) but as for a not crowded bar.....i honestly have no answer....I just do

[Arthrus]

Tips for bartenders and barbers should be natural..... Waiters don't actually make your food, while I don't mind tipping them and do.. These people can hook you up or do you wrong..

I agree with this. I'm a Mr. Pink kind of guy most of the time (in attitude - I do tip 15% like everyone else), but when it comes to things like this I genuinely feel compelled to tip well for a job well done. A quality haircut makes me feel extra good for weeks.

[leadbelly]

lol thats really a good point and I had to ponder that for a second being I dont know what bartenders make...This a "instilled in me since I can remember" deal. I guess for me the tip will keep me not waiting for a drink (it can suck trying to wait for a drink in a crowded bar) but as for a not crowded bar.....i honestly have no answer....I just do

Yeah.

United Kingdom All British people know this: you do not tip cash at the bar in a pub. If you are impressed with the barkeep's service, you can offer to buy them a drink. Such an offer will be genuinely appreciated, even though it may not be accepted. If it is, the barkeep might take the tip in the form of cash to 'have one [a drink] later'. This will generally be for half a pint of beer, or a small measure of spirits - you would not expect them to take for a larger drink unless you specifically asked them to. It seems to be a grey area whether to tip for meals served in a pub. Generally, you have to decide whether a particular establishment is a pub that serves food (don't tip) or a restaurant with a bar (do tip).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A640018

[Dark FaZe]

Tips for bartenders and barbers should be natural..... Waiters don't actually make your food, while I don't mind tipping them and do.. These people can hook you up or do you wrong..

Yeah but when I pay 16 bucks for a cut, hand him a 20 with 4 dudes waiting for his chair I get annoyed when I get asked " do you want your change?"

Yes I want it motherfucker.

With that said you're probably right cuz dude pushed my hairline back last time i went.

[Bay Maximus]

This is really interesting. Didn't know there was a racial tipping disparity. I've always tipped between between 15%-25% but I've never heard of this new 'standard' of 20%. Would like to see some stats on this (I'm sure they don't exist) and I need to see the food servers congressional hearing where the standard gratuity was raised from 15% to 20%

SN: My parents would tip 15% or slightly more but if the service was especially terrible, they would leave a penny to let the server know that their service sucked and that we aren't just cheap bastards

[captmorgan]

That would be the point, for them not to return. If they do return, maybe they will behave better. See also: MAGNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Lets say for a minute that such a restaurant had a policy, and the people that were embarrassed did not return. What percentage of the customers do you think that would be 15, 20, 25 maybe?

Now lets say because of the drop in customers the place goes out of business and fires everyone. Would that be better than 1 out of 5 people not tipping the waiter just dealing with it knowing that even though they didn`t tip they are keeping the doors open.

And the dirty dirty secret at least when I was a waiter at boston pizza Is that we made a great deal above min wage off of tips. I averaged about 20-23 dollars an hour. If I had a huge rack I would have made a great deal more.

[mcrae]

ive been a server for 5 years, at a private golfclub, an upscale tourist destination restaurant, a perkins, and a kelseys. across the board average tip is about 14%. 20% for good service/from nice people, 10% from cranky folks, less than 10% from foreigners and anti-social fucks who dont even respond whne you say 'how are you today?'

ive been tipped 20% when i fuck up peoples orders. its all about the people in my experience.

[Spokker]

Case study on tipping from a graduate level Iowa State course on data mining.

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~dicoo...5/cs-tips2.pdf

Using a real data set from a chain restaurant in 1990, they attempt to explore which factors affect tipping the most.

While none of their models fit the data very well, the size of the party appeared to be the only real significant factor. As the size of the party increases the tip percentage goes down. In this data set, for each additional member of the party, the tip goes down by .7%.

Again, they don't get great models from this data set but if we were to explore this further size would be something to consider. They did not include race as a factor.

[Blackace]

Yeah but when I pay 16 bucks for a cut, hand him a 20 with 4 dudes waiting for his chair I get annoyed when I get asked " do you want your change?" Yes I want it motherfucker. With that said you're probably right cuz dude pushed my hairline back last time i went.

A quality haircut is a matter of cms yo... I used to tip out my barber and got great treatment from him. It was a good relationship .

[Count Dookkake]

Lets say for a minute that such a restaurant had a policy, and the people that were embarrassed did not return. What percentage of the customers do you think that would be 15, 20, 25 maybe? Now lets say because of the drop in customers the place goes out of business and fires everyone. Would that be better than 1 out of 5 people not tipping the waiter just dealing with it knowing that even though they didn`t tip they are keeping the doors open. And the dirty dirty secret at least when I was a waiter at boston pizza Is that we made a great deal above min wage off of tips. I averaged about 20-23 dollars an hour. If I had a huge rack I would have made a great deal more.

There are businesses who punish or exclude bad patrons and still manage to make a nice profit.

[Eight Diagram Bat Fighter]

So they calling me black because I don't tip? That is soooo racist.

[perfectnight]

Which is precisely why you shouldn't be going out to eat.

Tru that :p I don't go out to eat if I can't tip/if I don't have more than enough.

[Ladyboy101]

i worked as a server through out high school and college. my experience is that indians, people from india, they never tip, even if they are rich.

[effingvic]

for mixed drinks i guess it makes sense since not all bartenders are made equal, but it just occurred to me why i tip for a bottle of beer. they just take the bottle out, and remove the cap. why am i paying additional for that?

ive just been doing that for the longest time i never thought about it or questioned it

[Fusebox]

A quality haircut is a matter of cms yo... I used to tip out my barber and got great treatment from him. It was a good relationship .

My hairdresser charges $45, he doesn't need a tip. :P

[TxdoHawk]

I don't get you people who are like "Man I'll tip 15% but 20%?? NO WAY BRO."

Let's say you spend $18 on a meal. 15% is $2.70. 20% is $3.60. Round up, because I hope you motherfuckers aren't leaving change. That one extra dollar is seriously the dealbreaker?

Now, maybe you guys are out getting $50 a person meals at fancy restaurants all the time, but if you can afford that shit it makes the argument even sillier.

for mixed drinks i guess it makes sense since not all bartenders are made equal, but it just occurred to me why i tip for a bottle of beer. they just take the bottle out, and remove the cap. why am i paying additional for that?

Tipping for beers isn't about effort, it's about being on good terms with the bartender. Enough people don't do it that you will usually get preferential treatment and/or faster service, especially at a packed bar.

[FStop7]

This is a western myth...

God, I love it so much when "BUT BUT IN JAPAN" shit spouters get smacked down. Thank you, sir.

[Valhalla]

Holy shit race and tipping in one thread? Just sticky this bitch. Its like neogafs two favorite worlds colliding..


BTW black people dont tip a lot, white people tip more. There will be exceptions but in general its just how it is.. I also notice a lot of rich people dont tip a lot either, best tips usually come from lower middle class/poor white people. I assume its about greed and/or ignorance.

[Ultima_5]

I always give 2 bucks and change for a tip. Regardless of what I ordered. If there's a group of people I'm eating with, they chip in too. I see no point in giving them more for handing me food and refilling my iced tea once.