[jamesinclair]

Same applies in Canada, though they have their own minimum wage of 8.90. If they could only find a job in retail their minimum wage goes up to 10.25.

Nope, in California minimum means minimum.

So the people behind the scenes, washing dishes and actually making the damn food, are actually get less money than the 18 year old barbie that has to write down "#12, no tomato, #14, extra sauce"

Ever been in a kitchen? Its hell back there. Back breaking work.


That shits not right.

[Spokker]

is 20% the new 15% and if so, when did it change?

Also, why did it change? Did service get better or something?

[HiroProtagonist]

Have you gone out with him again?

Burn. Really? wtf?

[tokkun]

is 20% the new 15% and if so, when did it change?

It has been changing over the past 5 years. The first I remember it was when advice columnists started quoting 17.5% instead of 15%. At most restaurants you will notice that the automatic gratuity they add for large tables is now 18%.

[Exclamation-One]

The stereotype is true. It's unfortunate.

[masud]

Why do black people refer to other black people as "my people". I sure as shit don't feel any kinship with other white people.

Well a culture developed in forced isolation will do that...

I always tip 15%, had no idea that some think that's paltry.

[Dude Abides]

I read somewhere (may have been GAF) that people in the service industry refer to blacks as "Canadians" because they are viewed as bad tippers but saying "you have the table of black people" in a pejorative way might raise eyebrows.

[Sanjay]

is 20% the new 15% and if so, when did it change? i'm going to need citations btw.

Inflation, few years time its going to rise too.

[Zefah]

I hate tipping. I usually just got with 10-15% depending on service level (less if it's exceptionally poor), and may go up to 20% if the service is amazing.

[Cubsfan23]

I think most of it is being uninformed about customs.


For example, servers hate working on mothers day because a lot of people who aren't used to eating out, go out, and on top of it, pay for their mother too. You're lucky to make 10% that day, and you work your ass off since there are usually 2 hour waits out the door.

[smokeymicpot]

If you refill my drink when it is empty and are nice. I tip good if you do you're job shitty no tip. Tip is my gift to the waiter for doing an awesome job I should not be forced to tip.

[glaringradio]

I hate tipping. I usually just got with 10-15% depending on service level (less if it's exceptionally poor), and may go up to 20% if the service is amazing.

This is something that seems extremely consistent... Why the hell do you even tip anyone if the service is poor? Let alone exceptionally poor?

[thesoapster]

I always tip more to those who serve alcohol. I generally will tip around 20% for good service. Excellent service gets more. Poor service gets less. I've had some absolutely shitty service. One time so bad I left him a nickel.

[MasterShotgun]

I had only heard that 20% was the "standard" less than a month ago. Unless I'm making good money where I can afford to tip 20% all the time, a waiter better do a damn good job if they want that much. Otherwise, it's 15% unless I felt they were just flat-out lazy. The only way I'll let bad service slide a little is if I feel someone is having a genuinely bad day.

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Inflation, few years time its going to rise too.

If the price of the food rises, so does the tips, proportionally. It's a percentage. That doesn't explain why the percentage is increasing.

[mac]

Lol, I'd like to think I was a fantastic one. 70% of customers I'd ever deal with would know me by name and talk to me on a personal level after just one visit. Maybe it's different in the UK as food prices are much higher and wages of waiters are better too (unless you go to cheap shitty places). And lol at threads on GAF being exclusive to set nationalities. Go fuck yourself. Also, you sound bitter...real bitter. Do you have a history of waiting tables and was it a sour experience or something?

You even admit it's different. It's hard to find what the standard should be already, we don't need to add the confusion of other cultures which don't tip at all.

I was a cook but I'm just amazed by the rude, classless people I see eating in restaurants all the time. Is it too much to expect some manners and etiquette?! I'm gonna burn this place to the ground.

[Yo Gotti]

Typically,

Black people with surplus money = very generous tips
Black people with no money = "fuck that, I've got other shit to worry about"

[Zefah]

I guess I just don't understand tips. Why does it fall on the customer to take on the burden of paying the server to do his or her job?

[The Faceless Master]

Inflation, few years time its going to rise too.

that makes no sense!

wouldn't the price of the meal go up, making the tip bigger anyway?

[Spokker]

Inflation, few years time its going to rise too.

We are not talking about something like an per unit tax here that doesn't rise with inflation (i.e. gas tax). A tip is a percentage of the price of the meal, and if the price of the meal goes up due to inflation, so does the tip.

[2San]

IMO the vast majority of Americans are cheap. Actually that's a lie(since I think not tipping should be standard), they are just hypocrites. They only tip out of obligation. I like the hypocrisy of black people saying don't tip, but when they themselves go on vacation to Europe they don't tip for fucking shit.

[krypt0nian]

20% rain or shine.

[B!TCH]

Tipping isn't something that's a given. If you get decent service, 15% is good. If you get great service, 20% or more is good. If you get bad service, tipping shouldn't be expected. And 15% is the standard here in NA, but it changes with other nations and cultures. I haven't noticed a difference between races where I live, but I've definitely noticed a difference between cultures.

If you don't get a tip, how do you know if it's because the person thinks you suck at your job or if it's because the person doesn't want to tip you regardless of your performance?

It seems to me that the system is fundamentally flawed.

[Zefah]

This is something that seems extremely consistent... Why the hell do you even tip anyone if the service is poor? Let alone exceptionally poor?

0% is less than 10%!

[glaringradio]

I always tip more to those who serve alcohol. I generally will tip around 20% for good service. Excellent service gets more. Poor service gets less. I've had some absolutely shitty service. One time so bad I left him a nickel.

In a rational world, poor service gets absolutely no money whatsoever. Are you actually saying that you're giving someone money for providing poor service? But at a very base level of poor service, you're still giving them money?

[makingmusic476]

Waiters/waitresses must love me. I usually estimate a rough 20% then round up to the nearest dollar.

I'd probably tip less if the service was really bad, but we usually go to local restaurants where we've gotten to know the staff, so we don't really have that problem.

[Dude Abides]

I had only heard that 20% was the "standard" less than a month ago. Unless I'm making good money where I can afford to tip 20% all the time, a waiter better do a damn good job if they want that much. Otherwise, it's 15% unless I felt they were just flat-out lazy. The only way I'll let bad service slide a little is if I feel someone is having a genuinely bad day.

I'm sure that extra 5% will cause you to miss the rent.

[brianjones]

Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did, however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

[agrajag]

wtf, 15% is the standard tip, 20 is a generous tip. I always tip 20% but that's because I'm being generous.

[Ducky_McGee]

I wonder if the guy who wrote the article is circumcised.

[crimzonflame]

Same applies in Canada, though they have their own minimum wage of 8.90. If they could only find a job in retail their minimum wage goes up to 10.25.

Thats why generally stopped tipping well (~20%). I used to tip generously then I found out that they still earning a wage. I think its American culture influencing us into thinking servers survive on tips. I dont tip at major chains but I do tip at family owned/ethnic restaurants cause I know they arent guaranteed a wage.

[Bel Marduk]

How thoughtful and original. You are the first person ever to use a Steve Buscemi picture on a tipping thread.

[TheNiX]

Nope, in California minimum means minimum. So the people behind the scenes, washing dishes and actually making the damn food, are actually get less money than the 18 year old barbie that has to write down "#12, no tomato, #14, extra sauce" Ever been in a kitchen? Its hell back there. Back breaking work. That shits not right.

Servers get 8.90. Cooks get 10.25 because they don't fall under the category of servers.

The closest I've been to working a kitchen is McDonalds back in highschool. I never understood why people thought that place was good work experience until I worked there. It just motivates you to get an education so you don't have to work in those conditions for shitty pay.

[Lunchbox]

20%!!!??

mcdonalds drive in for me brah

[mm04]

18% to 22% on average here, depending. Middling service will get you 15%. You REALLY have to be bad for me to tip you less than that. If it matters, I live in SoCal.

[Spokker]

In a rational world, poor service gets absolutely no money whatsoever. Are you actually saying that you're giving someone money for providing poor service? But at a very base level of poor service, you're still giving them money?

The nickel shows that you thought about it and just didn't forget to leave a tip or don't tip at all. If you leave without leaving that nickel or penny, then the waiter may not get the message that they provided bad service.

[gutter_trash]

[I NEED SCISSORS]

Maybe black people just know what's up - servers already get paid, why give them more money.

[timetokill]

Yeah, waiters have been pushing the % higher and higher whenever they can. Now it's "15% minimum, 20% normal, 25% great". Soon enough they'll push for "25% normal"

[WinoMcCougarstein]

20%? Not gonna happen unless you provide me with outstanding service. I'm sorry, but restaurant workers in my area make $8.50/hr plus tips. 15% is plenty and I feel like that is too much to give someone that is working their job. I don't top store workers, I don't tip factory workers who make my things... why the hell should I tip someone for taking my order and walking my food 100 feet? I understand tipping in parts of the counrty where they are paid federal minimum wage or with tip credits. But that doesn't apply where I live. If you don't like it, get a better job.

[dojokun]

Pfft lol get out of here. We run a chain of restaurants, and I worked at a restaurant from aged 14, so I know how things are on the receiving end. I didn't do any more of a service than someone at a retail store, so why should I expect a guaranteed tip full stop let alone 20%? Most restaurants in the UK charge 10% to 12.5% service charge and are on average £15-£25 per head (that's $25 to $41). 20% is not only unreasonable, it's stupid. Now I've never not tipped unless it's been a terrible service, but 10% is decent (unless the service was excellent or food was cheap).

I'm guessing you work at an expensive place. 10% is fine for the workers if the meals are expensive.

[RustyNails]

How thoughtful and original. You are the first person ever to use a Steve Buscemi picture on a tipping thread.

Someone feels very strongly about tipping...

[Ark]

Best part about living in the UK?

We don't tip regular service.

[Keru_Shiri]

Granted, it was a long time ago and in a different part of the world, but no way in hell anyone who worked in a bar or a club would've done that. Even if the employers would've paid the same amount (and they never do, oh they promise they will, but they never ever do) there's still the issue of taxation. I know all the tax forms say "...and tips", but in practice, no one pay taxes on tips.

From what I understand, workers in bars/clubs tend to take more home in tips? When I first started delivering pizzas, I would've agreed with you, but as time went on, I knew I needed something a lot more stable, especially as the tips became more and more meager. There were entire days, weeks even, when I would take home less than $2 a delivery at the end of the shift ($3 being average, and $5 being awesome).

But I agree with you otherwise.

[speculawyer]

"servers complain black people do not tip"

I stared at that for a couple seconds wondering how black people could tip computer servers. Such a geek.

[MPW]

haha

first thing i thought of is his show when i saw this thread

[KingDizzi]

I give the Pizza delivery guy a 1p tip because that fuckers not doing his job for free and getting 1p change back makes me feel cheap. In restaurants I give a tip depending on how crispy my fried chicken is, never good enough. Tipping is not something I see very often when I eat out in classy places here in the UK, it does not seen to common but meh, not a large sample for me to go on. By classy I mean not a bucket of KFC.

[darkside31337]

The nickel shows that you thought about it and just didn't forget to leave a tip or don't tip at all. If you leave without leaving that nickel or penny, then the waiter may not get the message that they provided bad service.

Leave two pennies instead of a nickel. It'll get your two cents across about how awful you thought their service was.

Like others have said waiters in certain states have it ridiculously easy. They are not working as hard as the people in the back, but will make the same pay and then get tips on top of that. And then they whine about getting stiffed from this 20% tip standard?

[nib95]

You even admit it's different. It's hard to find what the standard should be already, we don't need to add the confusion of other cultures which don't tip at all. I was a cook but I'm just amazed by the rude, classless people I see eating in restaurants all the time. Is it too much to expect some manners and etiquette?! I'm gonna burn this place to the ground.

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[Death Dealer]

is 20% the new 15% and if so, when did it change?

When did 15% even become the minimum ?

I remember a standard tip used to be 10-15%.

Unless you're well off, 20% as an expected tip, is ridiculous. Now I frequently tip that or more on small bills. If I'm in Denny's and the waitress refills my coffee more than twice, I'll leave $2-3 on a $10 meal, but jesus christ if everyone tipped 20%, waiting tables would not be a bad job at all.

How many tables would someone handle in an hour ? At least 3 right, maybe 4-5 or more when a place is busy. A restaurant doesn't have to be fancy for two people to rack up a $50 bill. So if everyone tips 20%, that's $30-50 in tips alone per hour ? Even if they only keep half and distribute the rest, waiting tables would pay $40,000 + a year.

I remember an old girlfriend had a friend that waited tables at a nicer steak restaurant. She'd brag about making a couple hundred a night off tips. Must be nice. So waiters discriminate against blacks because they supposedly don't tip generously, well I discriminate against waiters. I definitely tip women more, and attractive women even more so.