[SenseiJinx]

I'm thinking of re-purchasing this after playing some MGS2; I seriously can't get enough of stealthin' in video games. Excluding boss battles, of course, can the entirety of the game be completed stealthily? I think one of the main things that deterred me was the sheer amount of options/avenues/decisions, which is by no means a bad thing (quite the opposite, actually), but I found it daunting; I'm not an RPG guy. Any tips in that regard? i.e. anything upgrades that I should get or paths that I should go down? Tanx.

Yes, you can play the entire game stealthily (although the last level makes that more difficult). It's the most fun way to play it, in my opinion as well. There's a ton of great silent and non lethal weapons and augs to choose from.

I would say the RPG elements aren't overwhelming or anything. In terms of upgrades, if you're going for stealth, just go mainly for hacking and other stealth related upgrades. Get the jumping and heavy lifting augs early on, as well as as much hacking capture you can afford. Later on get the other stealth related augs like cloak, silent walking, see through walls augs, Icarus landing, etc. If you're going stealth you obviously won't be worried as much about things like punch through walls, and Typhoon, and dermal armor.

Don't worry about getting too many battery upgrades, and the augs that let you see when guards go out of alarm state/see their cone of vision/see how much noise you make aren't that useful, in my opinion.

[mickcenary]

Yes, you can play the entire game stealthily (although the last level makes that more difficult). It's the most fun way to play it, in my opinion as well. There's a ton of great silent and non lethal weapons and augs to choose from. I would say the RPG elements aren't overwhelming or anything. In terms of upgrades, if you're going for stealth, just go mainly for hacking and other stealth related upgrades. Get the jumping and heavy lifting augs early on, as well as as much hacking capture you can afford. Later on get the other stealth related augs like cloak, silent walking, see through walls augs, Icarus landing, etc. If you're going stealth you obviously won't be worried as much about things like punch through walls, and Typhoon, and dermal armor. Don't worry about getting too many battery upgrades, and the augs that let you see when guards go out of alarm state/see their cone of vision/see how much noise you make aren't that useful, in my opinion.

Awesome. Thanks for the reply.

IMPORTANT QUESTION!

Can I eventually go around with a pimped-out pistol and head-shot people from the darkness, a la Snake and his trusty MK23 Socom? I love that stuff. Metro 2033 also did this really well in terms of giving you an awesome revolver - silenced, extended barrel, extended stock, scope, etc.

[1stStrike]

Awesome. Thanks for the reply. IMPORTANT QUESTION! Can I eventually go around with a pimped-out pistol and head-shot people from the darkness, a la Snake and his trusty MK23 Socom? I love that stuff. Metro 2033 also did this really well in terms of giving you an awesome revolver - silenced, extended barrel, extended stock, scope, etc.

You can put a silencer on a pistol and add some upgrades like decreased reload time, but it doesn't have extended barrel, stock, scope, etc.

But, if you're in range you can put a bullet in someone's head. If they have medium to heavy armor on, though, it may take more than a single shot to kill them. I always used a silenced pistol for the lighter guys. 1 shot, 1 kill.

[IvanI]

Excluding boss battles, of course, can the entirety of the game be completed stealthily?

yes. there's even a 100G cheevo for it: Foxiest of Hounds. Complete the game without setting of any alarms. Got it in my first playthrough so yes, it's possible.
In fact, I argue that 100% stealth is the best, and...wait for it...easiest way to play this game. why? because the only thing that works here against you is your (lack) of patience. If you manage to sneak and pay attention to the environment, you can decimate enemies with one click takedowns/kills, which, in itself is awesome since it's "difficulty-agnostic" meaning Hard+stealh=no problem.

To sum it up: play this game as it was supposed to be played: stealthy. It's the most fun and the most "deus ex" experience. Stealth mechanics are amazing (shooting not so much).

If you need any more tips, I'm here. ;)

I think one of the main things that deterred me was the sheer amount of options/avenues/decisions, which is by no means a bad thing (quite the opposite, actually), but I found it daunting; I'm not an RPG guy. Any tips in that regard? i.e. anything upgrades that I should get or paths that I should go down?

Don't worry about it. This is NOT an open-world game so there's only much you can do in terms of "getting from A to B".
Be sure to explore everything you can (moving boxes, going into ducts and exploring), but don't become OCD-like because it'll ruin your experience. Just enjoy the game.

[SenseiJinx]

Awesome. Thanks for the reply. IMPORTANT QUESTION! Can I eventually go around with a pimped-out pistol and head-shot people from the darkness, a la Snake and his trusty MK23 Socom? I love that stuff. Metro 2033 also did this really well in terms of giving you an awesome revolver - silenced, extended barrel, extended stock, scope, etc.

Your pistol can get pretty dang awesome, once you spec it out with a silencer, damage, clip size, laser sight, and reload speed upgrades. It can honestly be kind of overpowered.

[mickcenary]

yes. there's even a 100G cheevo for it: Foxiest of Hounds. Complete the game without setting of any alarms. Got it in my first playthrough so yes, it's possible. In fact, I argue that 100% stealth is the best, and...wait for it...easiest way to play this game. why? because the only thing that works here against you is your (lack) of patience. If you manage to sneak and pay attention to the environment, you can decimate enemies with one click takedowns/kills, which, in itself is awesome since it's "difficulty-agnostic" meaning Hard+stealh=no problem. To sum it up: play this game as it was supposed to be played: stealthy. It's the most fun and the most "deus ex" experience. Stealth mechanics are amazing (shooting not so much). If you need any more tips, I'm here. ;) Don't worry about it. This is NOT an open-world game so there's only much you can do in terms of "getting from A to B". Be sure to explore everything you can (moving boxes, going into ducts and exploring), but don't become OCD-like because it'll ruin your experience. Just enjoy the game.

Cheers for the reply, mang. And believe me, I'm all for the stealth approach; that stuff really resonates with me and is the exact reason why I plan to pick this game up again. I think I just ran out of patience the first time, but I'm willing to give this game another decent shot.

[NEO0MJ]

I need some help finding a sidequest. According to my friend there is
There is a sidequest you can do before leaving Detroit that explains a lot about Adam's past by talking to an old lady in the same apartment building that's guarded by an ex-cop. But in order to find her we need to talk to that ex-cop before he leave and unfortunately I did the sidequest where we interrogate him and get info about that corrupt cop. Any other way to start it?

[IvanI]

I need some help finding a sidequest. According to my friend there is There is a sidequest you can do before leaving Detroit that explains a lot about Adam's past by talking to an old lady in the same apartment building that's guarded by an ex-cop. But in order to find her we need to talk to that ex-cop before he leave and unfortunately I did the sidequest where we interrogate him and get info about that corrupt cop. Any other way to start it?

try to read through this:
http://www.gamebanshee.com/deusexhum...entsreturn.php
hope it helps.

[SenseiJinx]

I need some help finding a sidequest. According to my friend there is There is a sidequest you can do before leaving Detroit that explains a lot about Adam's past by talking to an old lady in the same apartment building that's guarded by an ex-cop. But in order to find her we need to talk to that ex-cop before he leave and unfortunately I did the sidequest where we interrogate him and get info about that corrupt cop. Any other way to start it?

Wait, it sounds like you're still in Detroit for the first time. It was the Blood Money sidequest you just finished, right? You don't get the sidequest where you meet the old lady until you come back to Detroit later in the game (probably some 15-20 hours later in the game).

[Cimarron]

Any word on more Deus Ex DLC? I want mOAR! :)

[PowerK]

Hmm.. this game is hard.
I remember that I bought original Duex Ex back in 2000 (if my memory serves correctly) based on good reviews (I played it on P3 833 Coppermine with GeForce 2 GTS), couldn't get into it. This time, what the hell, 75% sales from gamersgate, good reviews again.. spent about 2 hours last night, couldn't get into it. Perhaps, I'm playing it in a wrong way. Is this supposed to be first person Metal Gear Solid/Splinter Cell in that I should take time and play stealthy ?

[1stStrike]

Hmm.. this game is hard. I remember that I bought original Duex Ex back in 2000 (if my memory serves correctly) based on good reviews (I played it on P3 833 Coppermine with GeForce 2 GTS), couldn't get into it. This time, what the hell, 75% sales from gamersgate, good reviews again.. spent about 2 hours last night, couldn't get into it. Perhaps, I'm playing it in a wrong way. Is this supposed to be first person Metal Gear Solid/Splinter Cell in that I should take time and play stealthy ?

It's hard regardless of how you play the game. A lot of trial and error, for sure. Even on normal difficulty I was still consistently challenged throughout the game, and died/got spotted quite a few times.

You can go rambo, but I think playing stealthy is the way it was meant to really be played. Just stick it out a bit longer and unlock some more powers. It gets better, especially once you get to China. That whole area is just awesome.

[sixghost]

Just finished it, what a good game.

I'm pretty bummed out that I didn't get the pacifism achievement, I can't remember a single person that I killed. Unless I accidentally held B instead of tapped it once, I was pretty sure that I was non-lethal the whole game, oh well.

People really weren't kidding about the bosses in this game, oh my god were those fights completely incongruous with the rest of the game. The first boss was easy enough once you figured out you needed to use the barrels and stuff around the room, but #2 and #3 on Give Me Deus Ex were ridiculous. I didn't have typhoon or EMP shielding, so the second fight took me about 25 tries before I basically figured out a way to cheese the shit out of the boss. It took upwards of 45 shotgun shots fired point blank to kill her, and she just glitched out and stopped moving for the last 12. I just gave up on #3 since I got tricked and lost use of all my augs, so I was basically screwed.

[PowerK]

Got to China last night. Is there no daylight in this game ?

[Roscoe]

lost use of all my augs, so I was basically screwed.

That is your fault for trusting LIMB

Just finished the game tonight, and it was awesome albeit bittersweet. Deus Ex was one of the first games I played on PC back in junior high, and I have some major great memories of that game. Although I played on 360 for HR, a lot of those feelings came back. Finishing BR was bittersweet though because I want more of this universe. The characters, the locations, and the gameplay were top notch.

I want more hubs to explore and more people to talk to. More emails to hack and read, and more Lazarus to overhear.

So much of an improvement over Invisible War. I wish we could erase that game from continuity and pick up this universe up again.

[Onion_Relish]

When are these scumbags going to drop the price on the dlc? I've been waiting patiently for a long time now. This is the worst thing about dlc this gen, I'm running out of patience I want more dlc as well while we are at it.

[KorrZ]

Got to China last night. Is there no daylight in this game ?

Look up.

[BolognaOni]

When are these scumbags going to drop the price on the dlc? I've been waiting patiently for a long time now. This is the worst thing about dlc this gen, I'm running out of patience I want more dlc as well while we are at it.

You just missed a steam sale a couple weeks ago. I finally pulled the trigger on the game at that time, and sort of wished I had grabbed the DLC then too. Oh well, there's always the summer sale...

Publishers are obviously still figuring out the market for DLC. A lot of them are not addressing my personal needs very well.

[Nelo Ice]

When are these scumbags going to drop the price on the dlc? I've been waiting patiently for a long time now. This is the worst thing about dlc this gen, I'm running out of patience I want more dlc as well while we are at it.

http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-DD-DEHR...e-missing-link

It's steamworks so u have to use steam to play it.

edit:unless ur talking about the console versions in which case the 360 DLC was on sale a month or 2 ago.

[Onion_Relish]

I'm looking for the pstriple version. I should havd just gotten it whem it erroneously priced at 9.99 at ots launch...

[McLovin]

Just finished dehr, I know I'm lttp. So.... What the hell is up with those boss battles? I fumbled through that last boss fight and I'm still not sure what the hell was going on. Everything else was great though, except maybe the ai could have been better.

[PowerK]

It's hard regardless of how you play the game. A lot of trial and error, for sure. Even on normal difficulty I was still consistently challenged throughout the game, and died/got spotted quite a few times. You can go rambo, but I think playing stealthy is the way it was meant to really be played. Just stick it out a bit longer and unlock some more powers. It gets better, especially once you get to China. That whole area is just awesome.

Thanks for the advice. I enjoyed this game immensely over the weekend. Played stealthy (like Sam Fisher).

[CloakedPuppet]

I've been finally finishing this up after purchasing the Missing Link content a few weeks back. I really love this game and it easily ranks among my favorites from 2011. Just a great experience all around (almost).!

I know it's very old news and probably beyond a dead horse around here but I can't believe that the boss fights made it past play testing. Truly horrible. Good thing you are able to switch difficulties on the fly otherwise I can't say that I would have bothered to continue. Talk about almost spoiling a great experience - hopefully SE Montreal has taken note.

[Montresor]

I looove this game. I wish there was a timer that counted all the hours I've poured into this game. It feels like I've played 40+ hours and I just entered the Tai Young Medical building. I accidentally read that you re-visit China later in the game... That blew me away, because that means there's still so much more goodness left to play.

I know the 40-hour estimate is probably way off. But I've enjoyed taking my sweet time, reading lots of e-mails and pocket secretaries, listening to NPCs' troubles and doing side quests.

The pocket secretaries at the Alice Garden Pods were really sad... those guys have crappy digs and a crappy life overall. Those are some tiny apartments. =(

[SenseiJinx]

I looove this game. I wish there was a timer that counted all the hours I've poured into this game. It feels like I've played 40+ hours and I just entered the Tai Young Medical building. I accidentally read that you re-visit China later in the game... That blew me away, because that means there's still so much more goodness left to play. I know the 40-hour estimate is probably way off. But I've enjoyed taking my sweet time, reading lots of e-mails and pocket secretaries, listening to NPCs' troubles and doing side quests. The pocket secretaries at the Alice Garden Pods were really sad... those guys have crappy digs and a crappy life overall. Those are some tiny apartments. =(

I played it on PC, so I did have a timer. Took me about 45 hours to beat the entire game...

Also, you have a lot more of the game to play. You're nowhere close to the end. =)

[sn00zer]

having some trouble in what I assume is one of the last side missions
the doctor in the china limb clinic talks about finding some super soldier, I go to the room with the blinking lights and the dead soldier, I pick up the pocket secretary the dead soldier has and I read it, but the mission wont update, it just says to read the pocket secretary, Ive been all over the sewers like it says but havent found anything help?....also I found dead Malik in the gang hideout but there wasnt any dialogue or anything....weird considering they are good friends, i this a glitch or are you just supposed to find the body like an easter egg?

[SenseiJinx]

having some trouble in what I assume is one of the last side missions the doctor in the china limb clinic talks about finding some super soldier, I go to the room with the blinking lights and the dead soldier, I pick up the pocket secretary the dead soldier has and I read it, but the mission wont update, it just says to read the pocket secretary, Ive been all over the sewers like it says but havent found anything help?....also I found dead Malik in the gang hideout but there wasnt any dialogue or anything....weird considering they are good friends, i this a glitch or are you just supposed to find the body like an easter egg?

Yeah, that's a bug. The mission doesn't update for some reason when you pick up the pocket secretary. You can still finish the mission, though, you just have to find the guys. They're in the sewers near the Alice Pod Gardens.

Also, did you know that you can save Malik?

[sn00zer]

Also, did you know that you can save Malik?

I did not to late now I guess
EDIT: Thanks for the tip btw
DBL EDIT: Probably going to play the Detroit and China part 2again....looks like those are the big choices

[1stStrike]

I did not to late now I guess EDIT: Thanks for the tip btw

I wish I knew that too. It was heart wrenching after that where I found Malik's body on a table ready to be harvested by these dudes after she died. I was just like "I SHOULD'VE SAVED YOU! ;_;

[sn00zer]

I wish I knew that too. It was heart wrenching after that where I found Malik's body on a table ready to be harvested by these dudes after she died. I was just like "I SHOULD'VE SAVED YOU! ;_;

Feel like he should have said something...also a similar experience let eye patch guy go free, becomes a one off generic bad guy 10 hours later with no dialogue

[Thagomizer]

Feel like he should have said something...also a similar experience let eye patch guy go free, becomes a one off generic bad guy 10 hours later with no dialogue

I think most player's reactions really speak for themselves, and Adam's.

RAMAPAGE OF REVENGE.

[Melhisedek]

This is how you make multiple endings game. Well thought out and easy to see them all. Also that little movie that plays after the credits, what it is about? I guess something to do with original Deus Ex right?

All in all I'm mighty impressed and providing DLC is good I might bite on that one as well :)

[1stStrike]

This is how you make multiple endings game. Well thought out and easy to see them all. Also that little movie that plays after the credits, what it is about? I guess something to do with original Deus Ex right? All in all I'm mighty impressed and providing DLC is good I might bite on that one as well :)

The after credits part features Bob, the main bad guy in the original Deus Ex. It's basically the beginning of what really changes everything.

[SenseiJinx]

This is how you make multiple endings game. Well thought out and easy to see them all. Also that little movie that plays after the credits, what it is about? I guess something to do with original Deus Ex right? All in all I'm mighty impressed and providing DLC is good I might bite on that one as well :)

The Missing Link DLC is awesome! I highly recommend it.

[SenseiJinx]

Great interview with Warren Spector.

Of particular interest to followers of this thread, turns out he really liked Human Revolution. Good to hear! I actually wondered if he had even played it, but apparently he played through the whole thing. Pretty cool stuff.

Q: You mentioned playing through Human Revolution and obviously since you were intimately involved with Deus Ex a while back, what are your thoughts on Human Revolution and how they've handled it? Warren Spector: You know I've tried to stay out of that discussion since the game came out. I mean every person I have met at this show had asked me that. And so I'm "just forget it, I'm just going to start talking about it." It was one of the few games I finished, and I know the guys on the team and I know how dedicated they were and how respectful of the original they were; their hearts were in the right place and they did a wonderful job. And I'm not just saying that. It really captured the spirit of Deus Ex; I mean the moment I booted the game up it sounded like Deus Ex, and they understood the importance of how the game sounded. It had a lot of the sort of gray of the original game where nothing is right and wrong - I really like that a lot. It made me feel like I was making decisions that revealed more about me than it did about my character, which I loved. The interesting thing was - and we don't have time to get into this right now, even if even if I were ready to get into it - my wife will tell you, I screamed at the television as I played this game. I loved the game, at the end of the day, but I screamed constantly because there were two, three, four things they did where I just said "Nooooo, why did you this? Noooo!" and, and it wasn't that it was right or wrong, it was different than what I [expected]. When I got the end of the game and realized that, overall, the experience had been a Deus Ex experience, I sort of sat back and reflected and said, "Ok, they made different design decisions to achieve the same end goals that I had." And some day, either I'm going to write an article about that, or somebody who is getting their master's degree at MIT or someplace, is going to write a master's thesis about the systemic differences, the game system differences between Deus Ex and Deus Ex: Human Revolution. And it's so cool to see philosophical ideas, game-designed philosophy, explored by two different groups to achieve the same goals in completely different ways, in ways that drove me crazy. So it was really cool. I really enjoyed that. Just on an intellectual level, I thought it was fascinating that they did some stuff that just drove me nuts.

[Tess3ract]

Did you guys ever see this?

[IvanI]

Did you guys ever see this?

dafuq did I just see? O_o

[Tess3ract]

Someone's making an email app :)

[cilonen]

I picked this up as the first game for my new rig when it was offer on Steam (it was on my list to check out) and boy am I glad I did.

Freaking awesome game.

Now to go and revisit the thread!

[Montresor]

I just beat the game. Loved it - awesome experience.

I can't wait to re-do everything playing stealthily the whole way through. <3 I'm starting up my hard / don't-kill-anyone / don't-set-off-alarms run, and I have a question:

Is it possible to (major character spoiler) save Malik without mucking up the don't-set-off-alarms achievement?

[SenseiJinx]

I just beat the game. Loved it - awesome experience. I can't wait to re-do everything playing stealthily the whole way through. <3 I'm starting up my hard / don't-kill-anyone / don't-set-off-alarms run, and I have a question: Is it possible to (major character spoiler) save Malik without mucking up the don't-set-off-alarms achievement?

Yes. I don't think there's any alarms to set off in that area anyway.

[cilonen]

So, Megan.

At the end, when you find her in Omega Ranch after killing Namir; she's totally boning Darrow, right? I mean - he owns the place, she's all on board with his plan and you find her in that white room, one double bed in there and it's obviously his room - the computer in there has his logon on it. After getting the codes from Darrow in Panchaea I straight up iced the asshole with a single bullet to the head for getting in my ex's pants.

[1stStrike]

So, Megan. At the end, when you find her in Omega Ranch after killing Namir; she's totally boning Darrow, right? I mean - he owns the place, she's all on board with his plan and you find her in that white room, one double bed in there and it's obviously his room - the computer in there has his logon on it. After getting the codes from Darrow in Panchaea I straight up iced the asshole with a single bullet to the head for getting in my ex's pants.

It seems pretty obvious, either way, that she wants nothing to do with you at this point. She values science above all, and she seems like she'll go to any length to achieve her goals.

[cilonen]

It seems pretty obvious, either way, that she wants nothing to do with you at this point. She values science above all, and she seems like she'll go to any length to achieve her goals.

Yeah, I thought Adam and Malik actually had more of a future, well, assuming you saved her (I did). I felt like most of the way through the game Adam's main driving force with Megan was something less corny than 'true love'; somewhere between loyalty (to his company) and to that of a close friendship albeit more poignant because of the history. I did kind of get the feeling he was moving on in that first elevator conversation they had.

Well, that's my take on what is quite cleverly left reasonably open to interpretation.

[SenseiJinx]

Yeah, I thought Adam and Malik actually had more of a future, well, assuming you saved her (I did). I felt like most of the way through the game Adam's main driving force with Megan was something less corny than 'true love'; somewhere between loyalty (to his company) and to that of a close friendship albeit more poignant because of the history. I did kind of get the feeling he was moving on in that first elevator conversation they had. Well, that's my take on what is quite cleverly left reasonably open to interpretation.

Good point.

While Megan and Adam seemed close (at least from Adam's perspective) they weren't actually "together" before the game started. I felt he cared about her as a person, and felt a huge responsibility to the mess that happened at Sarif Industries. There are a fair number of times when people in the game point out that Adam was the chief of security at SI and that what happened was partly because of his failure.

I think it was a huge driving force for him, in an effort to redeem himself. Even more than just wanting to rescue Megan (although that was certainly a part of it). He said as much in the confrontation with Taggart, when he said something along the lines of the way he overcame depression after the SI incident was that driving force behind wanting to help those that had been hurt.

[Tess3ract]

Just entered Upper Hengsha, aww yeah.

edit: Now I'm in montreal.

[valentine71]

Got a question, do i get a chance to complate side missions later? Or should i finish them before i leave the first hub?

[Tess3ract]

Got a question, do i get a chance to complate side missions later? Or should i finish them before i leave the first hub?

Finish them as soon as you get them.

[valentine71]

Finish them as soon as you get them.

Gotcha, thanks.

[Tess3ract]

Back in Detroit, Game feels like it's wrapping up now