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Ricker
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(04-24-2012, 10:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lothars

If you go to skills than you will see where you can assign them to the mouse buttons or to the number keys after you've turned on Elective mode.

Originally Posted by nacire

Unfortunately elective mode doesn't unlock your entire hotbar allowing you to put skills wherever you would like. This is one of my problems with the current setup. I really want the entire hotbar available from lvl 1.

What elective mode does do, is allow you to assign multiple skills from the same category at the same time. In default mode, you can only assign one primary, one secondary, etc. etc.

Went back in the game and I still have no clue what you guys are talking about...oh well,maybe I will figure it out when I have more levels...
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(04-24-2012, 10:37 PM)
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Number45
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(04-24-2012, 10:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by chiablo

I don't see anything in the Collector's Edition that is worth the money for a digital version. Are silly wings and a WoW pet worth the extra $40 to you?

Well, now that you've detailed the extra cost and content, no.
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(04-24-2012, 11:28 PM)
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Wall of blue text coming form Bashiok.

D3sanc.com

Thoughts on customisation, WASD movement...


This is great. Thank for sharing.
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(04-25-2012, 12:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by aliencowz7

Most digital CE aren't as exspensive as physical ones, often times only being like 10 bucks more then a normal digital purchase.

I'm not sure why there are even CE digital versions of games, seeing how most of what makes a CE is the physical stuff you get with it.

EDIT: I seriously cant see people wanting WASD movement in a Diablo game.
forrest
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(04-25-2012, 01:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ricker

Went back in the game and I still have no clue what you guys are talking about...oh well,maybe I will figure it out when I have more levels...

Hmm thought I was pretty clear. Without "Elective Mode" checked or turned on, you can only assign one skill from one category at a time. So for the demon hunter, I can only assign one skill from my primary skill category. Meaning I cannot use hungering arrow at the same time as bola shot. If I were to enable "elective mode" now I can "elect" which skill I want to use in combination with other skills. If I want to choose 4 primary spells and 2 secondary spells then that is my choice. The default way Blizzard wants you to select something from each category essentially because they basically think that is an easier path to a balanced build than letting people just go all willy nilly and choose for themselves.
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(04-25-2012, 01:32 AM)
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Originally Posted by nacire

Hmm thought I was pretty clear. Without "Elective Mode" checked or turned on, you can only assign one skill from one category at a time. So for the demon hunter, I can only assign one skill from my primary skill category. Meaning I cannot use hungering arrow at the same time as bola shot. If I were to enable "elective mode" now I can "elect" which skill I want to use in combination with other skills. If I want to choose 4 primary spells and 2 secondary spells then that is my choice. The default way Blizzard wants you to select something from each category essentially because they basically think that is an easier path to a balanced build than letting people just go all willy nilly and choose for themselves.

Are there any posts from the devs regarding this decision? I understand making things easier for casuals, but come on now.

Edit: Found it myself:


Originally Posted by Bashiok;

Well I wouldn’t say it’s hidden, and we have a loading screen tip that calls it out. We honestly didn’t want to continue adding things to the skill UI, and as a more advanced option it felt right for it to be found or learned about through ‘tribal knowledge’, as it were. We intend for the game to be played at first with the current set up, and if someone wants to try a more advanced option they can turn on Elective.

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I freaking love the Diablo 3 beta! Great game, everything about is so perfect and what I am looking for in a PC game these days. It isn't too intense or dependent on reactions and environmental awareness which makes it a good game to play for long periods of time as well as quick sessions. The combat feels perfect, I love the level design, and everything about the game feels just the way a sequel to Diablo 2 should. I like the fact that the graphics aren't so over the top since that makes it an easily accessible and very enjoyable on my laptop, and considering the fact that the controls are pretty basic it is a lot of fun to play with laptop controls.

The fact that it is Mac compatible makes it an instant sale for me, I love being able to play an online game like this on both my laptop and desktop, the fact that The Old Republic isn't Mac compatible has always prevented me from playing it that often (plus, the community has been very disappointing). Not that it matters, the beta has been fantastic (been testing out different characters) and the game is almost out, so I am all over Diablo 3 these days.
forrest
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(04-25-2012, 02:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by suffah

Are there any posts from the devs regarding this decision? I understand making things easier for casuals, but come on now.

Seriously, why is elective mode hidden? It's causing a lot of unnecessary frustration, confusion and complaints.

Well I wouldn't say it's hidden, and we have a loading screen tip that calls it out. We honestly didn't want to continue adding things to the skill UI, and as a more advanced option it felt right for it to be found or learned about through 'tribal knowledge', as it were. We intend for the game to be played at first with the current set up, and if someone wants to try a more advanced option they can turn on Elective.

Source
MrPing1000
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(04-25-2012, 04:56 AM)
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Back to being miffed that I don't have a beta key.
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Im going nutso on Diablo 3 swag in prep for the most anticipated game in ages. Gots my D3 mouse, mousepad, red backlit keyboard, Book of Cain, Collectors on preorder, Limited guide on preorder. Im gonna make a little shrine on release day and fap
FieryBalrog
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(04-25-2012, 05:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by nacire

Seriously, why is elective mode hidden? It's causing a lot of unnecessary frustration, confusion and complaints.

Well I wouldn't say it's hidden, and we have a loading screen tip that calls it out.

Yes, a loading screen tip. Where's my giant rollseyes smiley.
StickSoldier
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(04-25-2012, 05:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by nacire

Seriously, why is elective mode hidden? It's causing a lot of unnecessary frustration, confusion and complaints.

Well I wouldn't say it's hidden, and we have a loading screen tip that calls it out. We honestly didn't want to continue adding things to the skill UI, and as a more advanced option it felt right for it to be found or learned about through 'tribal knowledge', as it were. We intend for the game to be played at first with the current set up, and if someone wants to try a more advanced option they can turn on Elective.

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Why not just make it the default option? Just seems silly that Blizzard would make an option like that to begin with...
FieryBalrog
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(04-25-2012, 05:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by aliencowz7

Most digital CE aren't as exspensive as physical ones, often times only being like 10 bucks more then a normal digital purchase.

It's a shame, really, I would pay $10 for a digital CE. I don't want to pay an extra $40 for a bunch of physical stuff which will sit around my (incredibly cluttered) room. Also, I've never bought a CE before, and this would kinda be out of place.

Originally Posted by StickSoldier

Why not just make it the default option? Just seems silly that Blizzard would make an option like that to begin with...

It used to be. It's for the newbs I guess.
Loofy
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(04-25-2012, 05:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by nacire

Well I wouldn't say it's hidden, and we have a loading screen tip that calls it out.

Didnt even know there were tips. My loading screen only lasts like 3 seconds, and I have a 5400rpm harddrive.
Skirn
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(04-25-2012, 05:32 AM)
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Originally Posted by StickSoldier

Why not just make it the default option? Just seems silly that Blizzard would make an option like that to begin with...

Yeah, seriously. I've had friends telling me that they won't buy it, until I informed them of Elective Mode.
Opiate
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(04-25-2012, 05:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by MrMister

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aliencowz7
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(04-25-2012, 06:01 AM)

Originally Posted by Skirn

Yeah, seriously. I've had friends telling me that they won't buy it, until I informed them of Elective Mode.

I can't really see any benefit to having it default to off really. I think even the most casual player could figure out how to put skills on a hotbar at this point.
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(04-25-2012, 06:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by aliencowz7

I can't really see any benefit to having it default to off really. I think even the most casual player could figure out how to put skills on a hotbar at this point.

I think their main goal is to have people not be left with no generators and getting confused about why you never have any (insert mana-like-thing here).
elfinke
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(04-25-2012, 06:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by maharg

I think their main goal is to have people not be left with no generators and getting confused about why you never have any (insert mana-like-thing here).

Yep, nail-on-head.jpg

It's not immediately obvious to all how Fury/Spirit etc is generated. I merrily played through the beta once or twice without using elective mode and certainly doesn't impinge on the experience in any way (partly because there are only so many abilities to play with in 13 levels anyway).

I do agree, however, that the option needs far greater exposure than a 1/2 second tooltip on a loading screen.

Then again, this beta wasn't intended to test this aspect either, so perhaps come retail this extra feedback will have been taken into account?
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(04-25-2012, 06:27 AM)
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I think the only class where I was feeling like the automatic layout was frustrating was WD. The spider thing being a primary attack and the slowing/hurting hands from the ground thing being a secondary attack both struck me as odd choices that I'd rather have had elsewhere (and later in the game when they'd be more useful).
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(04-25-2012, 06:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by MrMister

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civilstrife
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(04-25-2012, 06:36 AM)
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As someone who is interested in actually experiencing some of the story of the game, is it advisable to play it online my first go around? I mean, I don't want people just skipping every damn story sequence. Anything I could do about that?
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(04-25-2012, 06:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by civilstrife

As someone who is interested in actually experiencing some of the story of the game, is it advisable to play it online my first go around? I mean, I don't want people just skipping every damn story sequence. Anything I could do about that?

Find people on gaf that want to take it slow too or play solo
FieryBalrog
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(04-25-2012, 06:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by civilstrife

As someone who is interested in actually experiencing some of the story of the game, is it advisable to play it online my first go around? I mean, I don't want people just skipping every damn story sequence. Anything I could do about that?

Play with friends, or people on GAF.

You are never going to have a particularly good experience playing with complete random strangers. It might be alright, but it'll be way better the other way.
Gez
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(04-25-2012, 06:55 AM)
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Does Diablo 3 have a clan system? Me and afew of my friends are getting the game.
Kalnos
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(04-25-2012, 06:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by Gez

Does Diablo 3 have a clan system? Me and afew of my friends are getting the game.

Not at launch I don't think. They still aren't in SC2 and that's also on BNET 2.0.
kirblar
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(04-25-2012, 07:11 AM)
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Elective mode is hidden in order to keep new players from making disastrously bad skill choices because they don't understand how the systems work yet.
Themacabre
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(04-25-2012, 07:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by civilstrife

As someone who is interested in actually experiencing some of the story of the game, is it advisable to play it online my first go around? I mean, I don't want people just skipping every damn story sequence. Anything I could do about that?

Play the game through solo first. That way you can be all immersed and whatnot.

Do your farming runs co-op (if you want).

Honestly, I don't think you will be missing out on any fun playing without friends in normal difficulty anyway.
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Originally Posted by civilstrife

As someone who is interested in actually experiencing some of the story of the game, is it advisable to play it online my first go around? I mean, I don't want people just skipping every damn story sequence. Anything I could do about that?

I plan to play on solo on normal to get the mechanics and the game itself down pat first. Just do the same. Unless you really want to co-op it first.
Valnen
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(04-25-2012, 07:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by kirblar

Elective mode is hidden in order to keep new players from making disastrously bad skill choices because they don't understand how the systems work yet.

Yup. Before elective mode there were probably a lot of people making god awful builds in their official calculator and posting them to their forums.
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I really dislike the tendency blizzard is showing to distrust the ingenuity of their players. Fun as the game is, it really does feel like you're being treated like an idiot a lot of the time.
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(04-25-2012, 07:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by maharg

I really dislike the tendency blizzard is showing to distrust the ingenuity of their players. Fun as the game is, it really does feel like you're being treated like an idiot a lot of the time.

Interesting, it did not feel like that for me, outside of the elective mode bullshit. Based on the area that was leaked and playable, it is perfectly fine if one treats a new Diablo III player as someone new to the genre, as it ramps up in difficulty immediately after you kill SK.
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Originally Posted by maharg

I really dislike the tendency blizzard is showing to distrust the ingenuity of their players. Fun as the game is, it really does feel like you're being treated like an idiot a lot of the time.

Come on son. The usability of D2 is a thing of the past. We live in different times now and it's important for these mega franchises to not lose a single customer trying the game out.
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(04-25-2012, 08:32 AM)
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Originally Posted by maharg

I really dislike the tendency blizzard is showing to distrust the ingenuity of their players. Fun as the game is, it really does feel like you're being treated like an idiot a lot of the time.

I'm still getting the game... But I can relate. The thought investment into creating a character seems lackluster now... I'm hoping that more content will be added later. If I recall runes weren't added to Diablo 2 until lod
Kalnos
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(04-25-2012, 08:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by Scalemail Ted

I'm still getting the game... But I can relate. The thought investment into creating a character seems lackluster now... I'm hoping that more content will be added later. If I recall runes weren't added to Diablo 2 until lod

Correct. Honestly the vanilla game is terrible compared to LoD.
valeo
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(04-25-2012, 08:53 AM)

Originally Posted by Scalemail Ted

I'm still getting the game... But I can relate. The thought investment into creating a character seems lackluster now... I'm hoping that more content will be added later. If I recall runes weren't added to Diablo 2 until lod

Seems like most people don't understand the skill/gem stat system so I think the 'thought investment' must be quite high.
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Originally Posted by ~Kinggi~

Im going nutso on Diablo 3 swag in prep for the most anticipated game in ages. Gots my D3 mouse, mousepad, red backlit keyboard, Book of Cain, Collectors on preorder, Limited guide on preorder. Im gonna make a little shrine on release day and fap

That would be the Steelseries mouse? I'm trying to decide between that and a cheaper logitech mouse. Any impressions?
SSJChar
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(04-25-2012, 09:01 AM)
I think now theres actually going to be much more time invested in trying out different skill builds and there will be a wider variety of builds. why? because people won't be as scared to have a less optimal build now that they're not stuck with it with no consiquences. Because seriously, in d2 how many skills did you even TRY for each class? or did you follow someone elses tree 99% of the way? How many points did you pump into a skill that no one else used just to see how good the boost would be after plugging 5 points into it? Some people did, but i highly doubt many people did.
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Originally Posted by SSJChar

I think now theres actually going to be much more time invested in trying out different skill builds and there will be a wider variety of builds. why? because people won't be as scared to have a less optimal build now that they're not stuck with it with no consiquences. Because seriously, in d2 how many skills did you even TRY for each class? or did you follow someone elses tree 99% of the way? How many points did you pump into a skill that no one else used just to see how good the boost would be after plugging 5 points into it? Some people did, but i highly doubt many people did.

Yeah, it was all about searching up guides and YOU BETTER NOT VEER OFF for me.
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Originally Posted by maharg

I really dislike the tendency blizzard is showing to distrust the ingenuity of their players. Fun as the game is, it really does feel like you're being treated like an idiot a lot of the time.

QUEST COMPLETE! NEW QUEST: TALK TO GUY. -> ARROW

Well, they know dat WoW playerbase is incoming.

But like WoW, I'm hoping there will be many layers to this onion. Trying to get into hardmode raiding now, and it is almost like going to math class.

Originally Posted by Kalnos

Correct. Honestly the vanilla game is terrible compared to LoD.

Every Blizzard game at launch you think is pretty good, then the expansion comes out and you realize it was terrible after all.

BW, LoD, FT, BC+, more to come.
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Originally Posted by maharg

I really dislike the tendency blizzard is showing to distrust the ingenuity of their players. Fun as the game is, it really does feel like you're being treated like an idiot a lot of the time.


It really is incredible. And I don't really understand why either. WoW was fairly complicated to get into (understanding rotations and such) and that had over 10 million players for the longest time.

Just let people figure stuff out, and if they want to fuck around with dumb shit, let them. As it is now, you can't even swing a sword as a wizard. It would add to the flavor, but you just can't.


Originally Posted by FieryBalrog

QUEST COMPLETE! NEW QUEST: TALK TO GUY. -> ARROW

Well, they know dat WoW playerbase is incoming.

It wasn't always like that.


Every Blizzard game at launch you think is pretty good, then the expansion comes out and you realize it was terrible after all.


People say I'm hating, then they turn around and say DII was terrible without LoD. You guys really have no clue :P.
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Winnie the Pimp
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Originally Posted by V_Arnold

Interesting, it did not feel like that for me, outside of the elective mode bullshit. Based on the area that was leaked and playable, it is perfectly fine if one treats a new Diablo III player as someone new to the genre, as it ramps up in difficulty immediately after you kill SK.



how do you know that?
Scalemail Ted
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(04-25-2012, 09:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by Fallout-NL

It really is incredible. And I don't really understand why either. WoW was fairly complicated to get into (understanding rotations and such) and that had over 10 million players for the longest time.

Just let people figure stuff out, and if they want to fuck around with dumb shit, let them. As it is now, you can't even swing a sword as a wizard. It would add to the flavor, but you just can't.




It wasn't always like that.





People say I'm hating, then they turn around and say DII was terrible without LoD. You guys really have no clue :P.

No ones saying Diablo 2 vanilla was terrible... Just that lod was much better.
Castor Krieg
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(04-25-2012, 09:49 AM)

Originally Posted by Winnie the Pimp

how do you know that?

Check his responses to difficulty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=3RZ2pRgT5O4#!


"Can I clear Normal without dying a single time? YES."

"Real game starts at Nightmare? YES."

"Can I clear Inferno dying less than 10 times? NO"


The game will be easy for someone who just wants to see the story. It will be hard for hardcore gamers. I find it hard to disagree with this approach.
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Winnie the Pimp
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Originally Posted by Castor Krieg

Check his responses to difficulty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=3RZ2pRgT5O4#!


"Can I clear Normal without dying a single time? YES."

"Real game starts at Nightmare? YES."

"Can I clear Inferno dying less than 10 times? NO"


The game will be easy for someone who just wants to see the story. It will be hard for hardcore gamers. I find it hard to disagree with this approach.


yeah i am aware that in the other modes it will be harder but concerning NORMAL mode specifically, i was wondering why he said that RIGHT after SK it would pick up considerably... If that is true then that's good enough for me i guess, as i just want at least SOME challenge even on Normal
Thrakier
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(04-25-2012, 10:59 AM)
I liked the old approach more where you basically had to have a finished "normal" character to tackle "hard".
valeo
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(04-25-2012, 11:24 AM)

Originally Posted by Thrakier

I liked the old approach more where you basically had to have a finished "normal" character to tackle "hard".

...

No you didn't.
Unknown Soldier
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(04-25-2012, 11:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by Thrakier

I liked the old approach more where you basically had to have a finished "normal" character to tackle "hard".

"Normal" in D2 you could actually die in. It's different now, that's why they changed it.
Winnie the Pimp
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Originally Posted by Thrakier

I liked the old approach more where you basically had to have a finished "normal" character to tackle "hard".


wait i thought it was STILL like this in D3?

I thought in order to play Nightmare mode(hard) you HAD to have finished Normal or else you wouldn't even get access? Or do you mean you had to have a MAXED out Normal char like level 99 or whatever to tackle hard?

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