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Ceebs
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(03-30-2012, 05:38 AM)
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Originally Posted by big ander

I dunno, to me it felt like the most "cooked" part of the episode. It's examining a facet of the Troy and Abed relationship that's been around for nearly two seasons and it sure looks like it'll end up evolving their friendship. I don't think we're supposed to actually feel threatened like a lot of people do; season 2 and the beginning of 3's purpose was to show that this group will never ever break up. They're stuck together, but they can morph. The fort plot promises that change while serving as a fair meta-commentary on how much Community, as a TV show, should compromise itself in order to be recognized. Hell, it comments on a plot in that episode: does putting a Subway plot in invalidate the show? Abed, in this ep, would argue that it does. He'd rather preserve an vision that hasn't been meddled with than risk a lower level of worthiness. But Troy would argue that greatness can still be achieved while bending over to serve the needs of external influences. It's the exact dilemma that Community and all bubble shows deal with as they try to both maintain their niche and grow. I'm excited to see what conclusion they come to.

Guinness world record for largest combination Pillow/Blanket fort.
big ander
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(03-30-2012, 05:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ceebs

Guinness world record for largest combination Pillow/Blanket fort.

Oh yeah, I'd certainly bet on this. It'll either be that or them destroying each others forts and saying "at least it was so great while it lasted." But in either scenario I'd expect the show's actual stance to be more nuanced and revealing about Dan Harmon's opinion on sacrifice in the creative process of making a TV show.
Ignis Fatuus
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(03-30-2012, 05:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by big ander

does putting a Subway plot in invalidate the show?

Have we forgotten the KFC episode from last season already? This is nothing new, and it's always incorporated in tasteful over the top self aware fashion. This time they even managed to get in some corporate personhood commentary.
big ander
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(03-30-2012, 05:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ignis Fatuus

Have we forgotten the KFC episode from last season already? This is nothing new, and it's always incorporated in tasteful over the top self aware fashion. This time they even managed to get in some corporate personhood commentary.

I think you read zero of the sentences around that one. e: I was saying that some will see that product placement as overbearing, and even some who enjoy it might find it to be Harmon compromising his vision; product placement is intrusive by definition. The episode's fort plot confront that and all other elements that could be called meddling (studio notes, shuffled episodes, etc.) and asks whether it actually ruins the brilliant episodes that make it through. That's the question that's posed by part one of this two-parter, which is what I was pointing out to show why I loved the pillow plot and didn't find it undercooked (quite the opposite). I assume, as I put just above your post, that the show will conclude that some level of wiggle room can lead to even greater things. We don't know yet, but that's where i see it going. Either way, you took my description of what actually happened in the episode as a complaint
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Canuck76
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(03-30-2012, 06:00 AM)
Great, great episode. A return to form. Jeff, Annie storyline a little flat but still some good jokes that come out of that plot thread. Garrett surprising them from around the corner, Lenoard wishing he had invested in IBM.


Funniest line of the ep "I'm sorry i grew up in the Bay area but this is too much"

This show is still amazing
The Broken Ska Record
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(03-30-2012, 06:08 AM)
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I thought it was pretty good. The Subway stuff wasn't too bad as far as corporate sponsorship. I did really, really like the Troy/Abed stuff and want to see where this goes.
gabbo
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(03-30-2012, 06:25 AM)
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I didn't really see the connection between the Subway/corporate personhood commentary and the 2Forts plots, and the jacket joke totally escaped me (fuck my headache), but the explanations here do make a lot of sense and add a subtleness I hope the show never looses, even if Troy wins, so to speak.

Britta unfiltered/Pierce drinking pen ink probably topped my favourites for the episode, but it was really good overall. And for those wanting a school connection Annie and Jeff provided.

Originally Posted by NightmareTrigger

Keith!?

That's who that was!
RatskyWatsky
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(03-30-2012, 06:40 AM)
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Great episode. Best of the year so far. Fantastic use of Subway.
Vox-Pop
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(03-30-2012, 06:49 AM)
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People still complaining about product placement in 2012?
gabbo
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(03-30-2012, 06:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by Vox-Pop

People still complaining about product placement in 2012?

Hell, this one makes a lot of sense within the setting (more so than Chuck season 2). I mean every college campus has a Subway, just not a Subway enrolled.
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Hours Left
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(03-30-2012, 07:00 AM)
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I don't understand why you don't just grab your jacket on the way out.
Buckethead
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(03-30-2012, 07:07 AM)
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What an amazing episode.

God I love Britta sometimes.

So many amazing quotes.
JDSN
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(03-30-2012, 07:10 AM)
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Now I understand why this was almost cancelled, the new episodes and this boring Troy/Abed plot really feels corny, telegraphed and a complete 180 in terms of characters just for creating what the writers consider tension, but its actually awkwardness. Reminds me of scrubs in the last seasons.
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Jay Shadow
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(03-30-2012, 07:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by ezekial45

This guy is amazing. I loved his remix of the super mario theme. It's on his YT page.

Yeah, looking back at it I'm actually the person ahead of you on the Audiosurf scoreboard for that song :)
big ander
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(03-30-2012, 07:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by JDSN

Now I understand why this was almost cancelled, the new episodes and this boring Troy/Abed plot really feels corny, telegraphed and a complete 180 in terms of characters just for creating what the writers consider tension, but its actually awkwardness. Reminds me of scrubs in the last seasons.

What makes it telegraphed? Abed's tendency to completely overtake situations and make them about him has been a problem present since early season 2.
EDIT: Also, Troy's desire to take more responsibility has been a running theme since season 2. Is it a reversal of his character at the beginning of season 1? Yes, but "a complete 180" makes it sound immediate; this has been a gradually occurring transformation since Mixology, if not before.

Again, people seem to be thinking that we're supposed to be worried their friendship will end. The battle is for their friendship to change, not dissolve. Season 2 existed to show us, through Pierce, that the group is firmly stuck together.
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Sketch_Turntable
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(03-30-2012, 07:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by RatskyWatsky

Great episode. Best of the year so far. Fantastic use of Subway.

Really? People were loving this episode? I thought it was OK with the Britta/Subway part being the only funny part. The Troy/Abed was just a setup to the showdown next week and the Jeff/Annie part wasnt funny at all, but it was nice they mentioned their past making out.

Oh and the jacket part was good too. Funny how some people didnt get the boner joke.

Not trying to be a downer or hate on anyone/anything. Episode just wasnt that great overall for me.
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big ander
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(03-30-2012, 07:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Sketch_Turntable

Really? People were loving this episode? I thought it was OK with the Britta/Subway part being the only funny part. The Troy/Abed was just a setup to the showdown next week and the Jeff/Annie part wasnt funny at all, but it was nice they mentioned their past making out.

Oh and the jacket part was good too. Funny how some people didnt get the boner joke.

Not trying to be a downer or hate on anyone/anything. Episode just wasnt that great overall for me.

You use setup like it's a bad thing. The creation of tension can be even more compelling than the climax.

The Jeff/Annie thing is more subjective; I liked the contrast it showed. Season 1 Jeff was an unrepentant asshole and while there's still some of that left ("I didn't sneeze") he's evolved far enough to apologize for past transgressions. Even when they were towards needy guys named Kim.
Bruiserk
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(03-30-2012, 07:47 AM)
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What was the point of the joke in the beginning where Jeff and Pierce have the short conversation right before Shirley reads from the book? It was something along the lines of:

J: "It's 10 am"
P: "Your welcome"
J: "...Oh"

I'm confused.
Lijik
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(03-30-2012, 07:57 AM)
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Thought this was the strongest ep since the return and definitely washed the taste of last week's episode (which I still consider to be the weakest of the entire series) out of my mouth

Pierce drinking the ink had me dying
Canuck76
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(03-30-2012, 08:00 AM)

Originally Posted by Gunloc

I don't understand why you don't just grab your jacket on the way out.

I've had that situation a couple times. Your thinking about walking up to a girl and talking after class, the possibilities and then...... once class ends you have to walk around a little bit.


I have to admit i also didn't get the 10 am joke at the start
big ander
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(03-30-2012, 08:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by Bruiserk

What was the point of the joke in the beginning where Jeff and Pierce have the short conversation right before Shirley reads from the book? It was something along the lines of:

J: "It's 10 am"
P: "Your welcome"
J: "...Oh"

I'm confused.

Pierce had just said something about it being evening, and "your welcome" was such a nonsensical response that it showed how Pierce was particularly out of it that day. That continued through the episode.
Hours Left
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(03-30-2012, 08:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Bruiserk

What was the point of the joke in the beginning where Jeff and Pierce have the short conversation right before Shirley reads from the book? It was something along the lines of:

J: "It's 10 am"
P: "Your welcome"
J: "...Oh"

I'm confused.

Pierce's brain is going.
Bruiserk
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(03-30-2012, 08:05 AM)
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Ah, well I got thought. I was thinking it was going to be a bit deeper I guess.
Krogan
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(03-30-2012, 08:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by JDSN

Now I understand why this was almost cancelled, the new episodes and this boring Troy/Abed plot really feels corny, telegraphed and a complete 180 in terms of characters just for creating what the writers consider tension, but its actually awkwardness. Reminds me of scrubs in the last seasons.

Every character having kids ruined Scrubs for me. Troy desperately needed to grow a little less dependent on Abed, for a lot of episodes he feels like a sidekick.
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(03-30-2012, 08:35 AM)
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Really enjoyed that episode. I actually thought it was running a bit too slow for a half hour episode, until I realized "part one" is on the title name.

The whole Subway thing was funny as hell. Reminds me of Chuck, and it was a bit more realistic. Chuck fans know how blatant and self-aware their Subway pimping was. I can get behind it. And there was the more subtle (vs. this Subway one) KFC episode last season.
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(03-30-2012, 08:35 AM)
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Pop Pop, Captain.




Originally Posted by Canuck76

Funniest line of the ep "I'm sorry i grew up in the Bay area but this is too much"

This show is still amazing

Yep. I was dying when he couldn't stand up.
Sketch_Turntable
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(03-30-2012, 09:35 AM)
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Watched the episode again. Enjoyed it a bit more overall, but I still didnt think it was very funny. I think it will play better when watching Part 1 and Part 2 consecutively.

Also, Gillian looked amazing in this episode.

"I Love You, Subway!"
HolyCheck
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(03-30-2012, 10:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by roosters93

Lol :)

just got it after reading this lmao
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(03-30-2012, 01:04 PM)
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JOHN FUCKING GOODMAN!
Finally seeing him return; so good, man.

ANyway, liked this one, felt like a bit of a return to form except for the start which I dunno, felt a bit like they've slipped into that "new simpsons" issue of explaining things straight up without just letting the story explain itself.
roosters93
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Originally Posted by HolyCheck

just got it after reading this lmao

I didn't pick up on it till he was like "Well I'm just going sit here being outraged" or whatever.
dragonelite
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(03-30-2012, 01:20 PM)
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Just had 2 days free from school and was bored saw season 1 and 2 and up to date with season 3.

Have to say season 3 is not really on par with season 1 and 2.
petethepanda
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(03-30-2012, 05:20 PM)
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According to this dude on twitter it got a 1.7 again (against a new BBT) and was again NBC's highest rated show of the night.
Hot Coldman
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(03-30-2012, 05:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by petethepanda

According to this dude on twitter it got a 1.7 again (against a new BBT) and was again NBC's highest rated show of the night.

Get the fuck in.
gabbo
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(03-30-2012, 05:39 PM)
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Consistency is good to see, but I can never tell if the ratings are good for an NBC show, the bell-curve is so weird (like, New York wierd).
XeroSauce
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(03-30-2012, 06:02 PM)
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I don't get how people still value ratings when they can be so lopsided based on location, time etc.
MNC
(03-30-2012, 06:22 PM)
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Decent episode. It did nothing wrong, but it was just good. It didn't do anything in particular to tickle my fancy.

Originally Posted by XeroSauce

I don't get how people still value ratings when they can be so lopsided based on location, time etc.

Aren't networks basing decisions mostly on ratings?
big ander
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(03-30-2012, 06:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by MNC

Aren't networks basing decisions mostly on ratings?

Almost entirely. People care about ratings because they directly determine whether a show will have more episodes.
Hot Coldman
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(03-30-2012, 08:42 PM)
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Not many people seem to be mentioning my favourite line last night- Annie's bit about sneaking in more than one stuffed animal. So good.
snesfreak
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(03-30-2012, 08:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Green Scar

Not many people seem to be mentioning my favourite line last night- Annie's bit about sneaking in more than one stuffed animal. So good.

Nappuccino
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(03-30-2012, 08:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Green Scar

Not many people seem to be mentioning my favourite line last night- Annie's bit about sneaking in more than one stuffed animal. So good.

She's drastically throwing off the research study's results!
Quick
(03-30-2012, 08:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by roosters93

I didn't pick up on it till he was like "Well I'm just going sit here being outraged" or whatever.

I still don't get it! >:(
Nappuccino
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(03-30-2012, 08:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Quick

I still don't get it! >:(

He got a boner from listening to the audio sex recordings and didn't want to stand up and reveal it.
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Originally Posted by Nappuccino

He got a boner from listening to the audio sex recordings and didn't want to stand up and reveal it.

OH. OHHHH. Ohhhhh.

Now I'm just going to sit for a while and focus on how unacceptable today was.
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(03-30-2012, 09:18 PM)
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I can't believe so many of you didn't get the boner joke. That's nuts.
AlphaTwo00
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(03-30-2012, 09:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by squidhands

I can't believe so many of you didn't get the boner joke. That's nuts.

And this is why we can't have nice things.

Other shows would have straight up said "I have a boner", and then cue the laugh track.
snesfreak
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(03-30-2012, 09:23 PM)
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Damn there's a lot of gifs in this one, 5 minutes in and I've made 10 gifs already.
ipitydatfu
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(03-30-2012, 09:51 PM)
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“Digital Exploration Of Interior Design” i see what you did there Mr. Harmon


teehee
gabbo
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(03-30-2012, 09:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nappuccino

She's drastically throwing off the research study's results!

This isn't the first time she's Britta'd the results of a study.
Sketch_Turntable
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(03-30-2012, 10:09 PM)
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I know this will never happen, but could Harmon (or maybe Sony, but iunno) start a Kickstarter fund to help fund Season 4?

They wouldnt come close to raising anything significant overall, and it might come off as desperate, but it could create some good buzz for the show. They could pull it off as "hey, pay for the Season 3 DVD now and we will take that money to fund Season 4."

I would pledge $50 if it got me a copy of Season 3 on DVD as well.
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(03-30-2012, 10:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by ipitydatfu

“Digital Exploration Of Interior Design” i see what you did there Mr. Harmon


teehee

Did I miss something on that one?

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