[Balphon]

Best part is for those who do family law, gay marriage means gay divorce, and gay money is just as good as straight money!

A point made even better when sung, surely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_hyT7_Bx9o#t=2m02s

[LosDaddie]

Most don't hate gay people. There's no way to really explain that further without getting anecdotal ("Some of my best friends are..."), but they don't usually care one way or another about them..

Not from my experience with my conservative Christian in-laws. Outright hate of gays has actually been the norm. I've been told that the wife & I should have more kids to "stop the gay agenda" with more Christian voters. :lol

[SmokyDave]

Best part is for those who do family law, gay marriage means gay divorce, and gay money is just as good as straight money! [img]snip[/img] Come on North Carolina.

See, if you lived in the UK, you could use a much more fabulous expression: 'The Pink Pound', as in "We need to court the pink pound if this business is ever going to take off".

Edit: Thinking about it, that phrase is possibly offensive nowadays given the assumption that pink = effeminate. Oh well, I'll leave the post as is and trust that Gay-GAF know there's no malice intended.

[neorej]

Not from my experience with my conservative Christian in-laws. Outright hate of gays has actually been the norm. I've been told that the wife & I should have more kids to "stop the gay agenda" with more Christian voters. :lol

You should slap them around with statistics and say that having more kids increases the chance of more gay voters :P

[LegendofJoe]

only the eastern part.

Hey, you have to get your bacon from somewhere. Our pig-picking parties are awesome as well.

On topic however, since the vote is being held in March instead of November I think this will pass. It's shameful for several reasons, but most of all it's shameful because I'm confident the majority of NC's citizens are against this amendment. They just aren't as motivated to get out and vote as the people who support it. Honestly, it infuriates me that votes as important as this aren't mandated to be held during the general election. It's a warping of the democratic process and everyone in NC should be enraged that BS like this is allowed to happen.

[TheClimaxan]

NC born and raised and I fucking love this State, but our government here are ass backwards. I hate this amendment and will be campaigning like crazy against it. I won't stand by and let my gay homies be discriminated against.

And for those who had bad experiences in NC. I hate if for you. This state really is amazing. Stick to the cities and college towns and you'll be fine.

What I hate about this the most is how the fucksticks in our legislature are setting the vote for the primary not the general election in November. A republican primary on top of that. Oh well. It's an uphill battle that I'm ready to fight.

[JGS]

Not from my experience with my conservative Christian in-laws. Outright hate of gays has actually been the norm. I've been told that the wife & I should have more kids to "stop the gay agenda" with more Christian voters. :lol

Most Americans are not conservative Christians.

However, your in-laws' line is what the issue is among them. Many conservatives feel that there is a push to promote homosexuality- not just allow it. They feel this way about a bunch of stuff which is why they cared that Obama was a Muslim. You can tell by the language this guy is using that he feels he's on the defensive regarding this.

As an aside, NC is a great state. Anyone who visits Asheville will know just how diverse thinking is in the state. Charlotte too and I can assume the same for Raleigh/Durham. Like KY which has some open minded areas like Lexington & Louisville, having a few hundred small towns with a very distinct view of life can run over the handful of urban areas that think this law is stupid. Basically, it could go either way which is why national chages are what going to make gay marriage stick.

[LegendofJoe]

I would really like for liberal and moderate independents to be rallied to get out and vote for Romney/Huntsman and to vote down this amendment in March.

Here are the cities I would focus on (in order) if I was putting it together:

Charlotte (huge banking hub and largest city)
The Triangle (home of several universities and largest metro area)
Winston-Salem (hosts several large corps that would be negatively affected)
Greensboro (several universities and political boiling point of state)
Wilmington (liberal beach town with a university)
Highpoint (hosts several big companies same as Winston-Salem)
Greenville (fasting growing city in state and home to second largest university)
Asheville (largest city in Western NC)

[ivysaur12]

To all the gays and lesbians who stayed in during the 2010 because they felt disappointed with Obama: fuck you.

This is what we get with Republican-dominated legislatures. Same with a super-majority of Republicans in both chambers of the New Hampshire congress.

[magicstop]

I would really like for liberal and moderate independents to be rallied to get out and vote for Romney/Huntsman and to vote down this amendment in March. Here are the cities I would focus on (in order) if I was putting it together: Charlotte (huge banking hub and largest city) The Triangle (home of several universities and largest metro area) Winston-Salem (hosts several large corps that would be negatively affected) Greensboro (several universities and political boiling point of state) Wilmington (liberal beach town with a university) Highpoint (hosts several big companies same as Winston-Salem) Greenville (fasting growing city in state and home to second largest university) Asheville (largest city in Western NC)

I'm guessing Asheville is on the bottom of the list because it is already likely to vote against this? I've lived in Asheville for 3 or 4 years, and feel like the city will definitely vote against it, but that the county (Buncombe County) and the surrounding counties are a lost cause. There's just no way it will do well, as those areas get really conservative, really quickly. They may be less aggressive about it than in some places I've lived (Mississippi), but if you put a ballot in front of them, they'll vote in favor of it.
The triangle area (where I just moved to, Chapel Hill) seems a little more conservative than Asheville, for sure (but Asheville is a weird liberal bastion), but I have hopes that it will oppose this by a decent margin. That being said, Raleigh (and NC State) isn't known for it's forward social thinking, and I'm not sure what we'll see there.

[LegendofJoe]

I'm guessing Asheville is on the bottom of the list because it is already likely to vote against this? I've lived in Asheville for 3 or 4 years, and feel like the city will definitely vote against it, but that the county (Buncombe County) and the surrounding counties are a lost cause. There's just no way it will do well, as those areas get really conservative, really quickly. They may be less aggressive about it than in some places I've lived (Mississippi), but if you put a ballot in front of them, they'll vote in favor of it. The triangle area (where I just moved to, Chapel Hill) seems a little more conservative than Asheville, for sure (but Asheville is a weird liberal bastion), but I have hopes that it will oppose this by a decent margin. That being said, Raleigh (and NC State) isn't known for it's forward social thinking, and I'm not sure what we'll see there.

I put Asheville last because it is already highly likely to vote this down, and it's also the smallest city in the list. As for the Triangle yeah I agree that focusing on Durham and Chapel Hill is the best bet. However, I wouldn't lump Raleigh directly in with your view of how NC State's students feel about social policy. It's an educated and increasingly diverse city so there's a lot to work with. As for NCSU, yeah it's a heavily male dominated university with a small focus on liberal arts programs, that's probably why it has that reputation. But regardless you can't ignore the state's largest university when you're campaigning for liberal causes.

[alstein]

I put Asheville last because it is already highly likely to vote this down, and it's also the smallest city in the list. As for the Triangle yeah I agree that focusing on Durham and Chapel Hill is the best bet. However, I wouldn't lump Raleigh directly in with your view of how NC State's students feel about social policy. It's an educated and increasingly diverse city so there's a lot to work with. As for NCSU, yeah it's a heavily male dominated university with a small focus on liberal arts programs, that's probably why it has that reputation. But regardless you can't ignore the state's largest university when you're campaigning for liberal causes.

Most NCSU students aren't social conservatives either. It's more conservative then most universities, but it's not like they're Texas A&M, let alone true whackjob places like Liberty.

I suspect you'd still see 75% of the campus voting for Obama in 2012, just not 90% like say, Chapel Hill.

[magicstop]

Most NCSU students aren't social conservatives either. It's more conservative then most universities, but it's not like they're Texas A&M, let alone true whackjob places like Liberty. I suspect you'd still see 75% of the campus voting for Obama in 2012, just not 90% like say, Chapel Hill.

Maybe so, but this is the campus that got the huge graffiti written over a bridge after Obama got elected that read "Hang the n****r" . . . I tend to be less hopeful about it, but you guys are certainly right in that a fight for voting against this amendment should be made there and everywhere possible.

[LegendofJoe]

Most NCSU students aren't social conservatives either. It's more conservative then most universities, but it's not like they're Texas A&M, let alone true whackjob places like Liberty. I suspect you'd still see 75% of the campus voting for Obama in 2012, just not 90% like say, Chapel Hill.

Agreed. With the exception of a few people I know who went there for the Ag program I don't know any NCSU graduates that are social conservatives.

[Captain Sparrow]

It boggles my mind that we "are in the day and age that we should accept this".

But we CANNOT figure out that we are in the day and age to amend constitutions for stuff such as internet taxation.

Good ol' America, putting your sex and your feelings in front of running a sustainable country.

[alstein]

Maybe so, but this is the campus that got the huge graffiti written over a bridge after Obama got elected that read "Hang the n****r" . . . I tend to be less hopeful about it, but you guys are certainly right in that a fight for voting against this amendment should be made there and everywhere possible.

You have a few trogs everywhere- it's easier to express themselves at State due to the Free Expression tunnel.

I'm sure there are people like that at UNC also, they just don't have a place to put it out where everyone can see it easily.

[Talamius]

Just a minor update, maybe NC citizens aren't as stupid as first assumed:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/10206010/

It pisses me off that government is even wasting time in this when our state has much bigger problems to worry about.

[littleworm]

Sorry to necro bump this but, I felt it was apt since this goes to vote today. I went out and voted earlier for the first time, it was an experience.

[Dax01]

It's going to pass. :(

[alstein]

The key is to get it overturned as soon as possible. I think courts might, but the best way is to just go all the way and get it legalized, in about 10 years you'll be able to get half for that.

[ThLunarian]

I woke up this morning and checked Facebook, and literally every single post was someone telling everyone to vote against Amendment One. It was even more ubiquitous than when a celebrity dies.

Anyway, time to head out and vote!

[Tideas]

The key is to get it overturned as soon as possible. I think courts might, but the best way is to just go all the way and get it legalized, in about 10 years you'll be able to get half for that.

how does a court overturn a constitutional amendment if the court is only suppposed to judge a law against the constitution?

[KHarvey16]

how does a court overturn a constitutional amendment if the court is only suppposed to judge a law against the constitution?

Don't mix up your constitutions. One of them is much more important!

[Mercury Fred]

how does a court overturn a constitutional amendment if the court is only suppposed to judge a law against the constitution?

State bans on marriage equality are unconstitutional and they'll continue to be struck down in higher courts.

Read the history of Prop 8 being struck down for more info on the hows of it.

[Gallbaro]

Don't mix up your constitutions. One of them is much more important!

Unless it is the second amendment.

[alstein]

I woke up this morning and checked Facebook, and literally every single post was someone telling everyone to vote against Amendment One. It was even more ubiquitous than when a celebrity dies. Anyway, time to head out and vote!

Even the FGC facebooks were full of anti-Amendment 1. The thing is, there's enough folks out there who believe otherwise, that without 100% voting on the part of rational people, this could pass.

[Talon]

40 years from now, kids are going to ask their grandparents why gay marriage was illegal.

how does a court overturn a constitutional amendment if the court is only suppposed to judge a law against the constitution?

? North Carolina State Constitution /= THE CONSTITUTION

[789shadow]

State bans on marriage equality are unconstitutional and they'll continue to be struck down in higher courts. Read the history of Prop 8 being struck down for more info on the hows of it.

I thought Prop 8 was only struck down because California had allowed gay marriage before, and that the case had no real bearing on whether banning gay marriage was constitutional or not?

[DominoKid]

yeah its probably getting passed.

[TAJ]

You should slap them around with statistics and say that having more kids increases the chance of more gay voters :P

More than most people know...
http://www.canada.com/topics/bodyand...8-360f7aecdb5d

[swoon]

So awful. The twitter silence after the polls closed is so sad.

[DasRaven]

Wake County making me proud tonight, 57-43 against!
Good job RTP, Wolfpack, Devils and Tarheels.

Even my high school home, Davidson County is keeping it close.

[Nesotenso]

Guess this is stated here often enough but I 'll say it anyway. No way, the rights of a minority should be voted on by the majority.

[littleworm]

Wake County making me proud tonight, 57-43 against! Good job RTP, Wolfpack, Devils and Tarheels. Even my high school home, Davidson County is keeping it close.

Could you link me, what your looking at? I'd like to see a county by county breakdown.

[SteveWinwood]

Guess this is stated here often enough but I 'll say it anyway. No way, the rights of a minority should be voted on by the majority.

Oh, no it's okay 'cause it's at the state level. All the gay people can just move. Free market and whatnot.

[bistromathics]

Dang, I'm an NC resident but am traveling for work this week. I seen enough "say no to amendment" blah blah blah signs to know I should probably say no...I've never voted before (27 years old), but I was totally ready to this time. Oh well...guess its too late now.

[The Big Rig]

Well I did my part and voted today.

[bistromathics]

Big Rig, you in NC? I've recognized your avatar since the GFW days. We should have an NC gaf meetup sometime...I know hitokage is a North Cackalackian.

[DasRaven]

Could you link me, what your looking at? I'd like to see a county by county breakdown.

http://core.talkingpointsmemo.com/el...lina-amendment

[DiscoShark]

I did my part as well, preliminary results are looking like the amendment passed however. Stay laughably predictable North Carolina.
http://results.enr.clarityelections....n/summary.html *scroll down*

For 60.88% 739,286
Against 39.12% 475,010
Total : 1,214,296

Not even close.

My county seems to have voted against though, so that's something? Sigh.

[Mumei]

I thought Prop 8 was only struck down because California had allowed gay marriage before, and that the case had no real bearing on whether banning gay marriage was constitutional or not?

Watch the whole trial!

(Really, you should. The trial was pretty damn comprehensive.)

[LegendofJoe]

Dang, I'm an NC resident but am traveling for work this week. I seen enough "say no to amendment" blah blah blah signs to know I should probably say no...I've never voted before (27 years old), but I was totally ready to this time. Oh well...guess its too late now.

Damn dude, get out and vote. It isn't that hard.

[WeAreStarStuff]

The civil rights movement of our time. I long for the day when we see a reflection of ourselves in others instead of petty differences.

[swoon]

I did my part as well, preliminary results are looking like the amendment passed however. Stay laughably predictable North Carolina. My county seems to have voted against though, so that's something? http://results.enr.clarityelections....n/summary.html For 60.88% 739,286 Against 39.12% 475,010 Total : 1,214,296 Not even close.

talking points has more counties covered, but it's still not very close. i guess at least durham county did its part, but i mean it lost mecklenburg

[Baconsammy]

I did my part as well, preliminary results are looking like the amendment passed however. Stay laughably predictable North Carolina.

Except NC isn't all that predictable anymore. For the first time in a long time they voted Democrat (Obama), elected a democrat for Gov, and the same year they voted for Obama, they ousted a republican Senator and voted in a dem. The more northerners that move to NC (in the RTP/Triad area), the more liberal they're getting. The days of shithead Jesse Helms are gone. Considering the number of classically liberal states that have also voted against gay marriage, I'll cut the NCers some slack.

[bistromathics]

Damn dude, get out and vote it isn't that hard.

It's more a matter of not being involved enough to care. I'm not down with voting Dem just cuz my parents do. As I've gotten older though, I've formed more coherent opinions and am more willing to spend my time representing them.

[swoon]

i really doubt that.

[bistromathics]

i really doubt that.

You talkin to me?

[TheWesker]

How long until this gets overturned by the courts?

[littleworm]

talking points has more counties covered, but it's still not very close. i guess at least durham county did its part, but i mean it lost mecklenburg

I'm surprised New Hanover did worse than my home county Guilford county.