[CleverGirl]

Aw Devolution, your post made me sad. I think my mom actually may feel that way to a degree (especially the abortion part). Its scary, the older I get the more right-wing she becomes. She still loves me and my sisters, but she's kind of anti-women. Like the other day, she said she doesn't like women sportscasters or preachers. Does anybody else have experience with anti-women women?
I guess I'll just have to watch the new Jane Eyre to make me feel better. Seriously Michael Fassbender as Mr. Rochester, le swoon.

[Devolution]

Aw Devolution, your post made me sad. I think my mom actually may feel that way to a degree (especially the abortion part). Its scary, the older I get the more right-wing she becomes. She still loves me and my sisters, but she's kind of anti-women. Like the other day, she said she doesn't like women sportscasters or preachers. Does anybody else have experience with anti-women women? I guess I'll just have to watch the new Jane Eyre to make me feel better. Seriously Michael Fassbender as Mr. Rochester, le swoon.

My mom is like the pro-woman woman so no, that must kind of suck =(. The only anti-women women I have exposure to are conservatives on TV.

[SteveWinwood]

My mom is like the pro-woman woman so no, that must kind of suck =(. The only anti-women women I have exposure to are conservatives on TV.

How do you not meet these people around just in life?

Edit: San fran right? Explains it.

[Devolution]

How do you not meet these people around just in life? Edit: San fran right? Explains it.

Bay Area. Even my friends who grew up in conservative households kind of realized how conservatism, at least the American brand of it, hinders their lifestyle and what they want to do.

[SteveWinwood]

Bay Area. Even my friends who grew up in conservative households kind of realized how conservatism, at least the American brand of it, hinders their lifestyle and what they want to do.

I went to college in missouri and it was filled to brim with women who literally hated themselves because they were women and would just say the craziest shit and it astounded me. I don't know what the sex equivalent of an uncle tom type is but, there were just tons. One girl on my dorm floor never wanted to go to college because she said she already knew how to cook and women weren't supposed to be educated, but her dad made her. I was literally dumbfounded. I had no clue what to say to that.

[Devolution]

I went to college in missouri and it was filled to brim with women who would just say the craziest shit and it astounded me. I don't know what the sex equivalent of an uncle tom type is but, there were just tons. One girl on my dorm floor never wanted to go to college because she said she already knew how to cook and women weren't supposed to be educated, but her dad made her. I was literally dumbfounded. I had no clue what to say to that.

Aunt Tammy.

[H.Protagonist]

*sigh* So true. It's a war out there right now, ladies.

Also, happy belated, Dev. Missed the party on your birthday thread it seems. Missing a lot of interesting threads lately... :P

[Platy]

I went to college in missouri and it was filled to brim with women who literally hated themselves because they were women and would just say the craziest shit and it astounded me. I don't know what the sex equivalent of an uncle tom type is but, there were just tons. One girl on my dorm floor never wanted to go to college because she said she already knew how to cook and women weren't supposed to be educated, but her dad made her. I was literally dumbfounded. I had no clue what to say to that.

O.º

[Emitan]

I went to college in missouri and it was filled to brim with women who literally hated themselves because they were women and would just say the craziest shit and it astounded me. I don't know what the sex equivalent of an uncle tom type is but, there were just tons. One girl on my dorm floor never wanted to go to college because she said she already knew how to cook and women weren't supposed to be educated, but her dad made her. I was literally dumbfounded. I had no clue what to say to that.

What.

What.

Is she at least majoring in something food related?

[Professor Beef]

Wait, it was Devo's birthday recently? Happy belated!

[SteveWinwood]

I don't remember what she majored in, she said she was getting a mommy degree or something (it had some joke acronym). She got pregnant and dropped out second semester freshman year and tried to take her roommates laptop (the drama was insane) when she moved out. Shes posted two pictures of her kid on facebook since then, 20 or so of her 5 since then boyfriends, and literally around a hundred of all her new tattoos.

She was a real winner all around.

[Emitan]

I don't remember what she majored in, she said she was getting a mommy degree or something (it had some joke acronym). She got pregnant and dropped out second semester freshman year and tried to take her roommates laptop (the drama was insane) when she moved out. Shes posted two pictures of her kid on facebook since then, 20 or so of her 5 since then boyfriends, and literally around a hundred of all her new tattoos. She was a real winner all around.

Sounds like a classy lady.

I mean, not everyone needs to go to college, but have some fucking ambition. It your life.

[Lissar]

Sounds like a classy lady. I mean, not everyone needs to go to college, but have some fucking ambition. It your life.

I don't have any problem with people who want to be a parent/homemaker (not... that this girl sounds like she actually made a home for herself...) But what I DO have a problem with is people like her who say women shouldn't be educated and should stay at home where they belong! Fuck that.

Now, I've never met anyone who actually held such sentiments in seriousness (to my knowledge.) It's more of a read about them/seen them on TV sort of thing. I don't know what I'd do if I met such a person in real life.

[Devolution]

I don't have any problem with people who want to be a parent/homemaker (not... that this girl sounds like she actually made a home for herself...) But what I DO have a problem with is people like her who say women shouldn't be educated and should stay at home where they belong! Fuck that. Now, I've never met anyone who actually held such sentiments in seriousness (to my knowledge.) It's more of a read about them/seen them on TV sort of thing. I don't know what I'd do if I met such a person in real life.

My feminism can be trimmed down to two words really: choice and equality. I don't care if a woman chooses to be a homemaker but it should be an option, not the only role she's allowed to fill.

[Lissar]

My feminism can be trimmed down to two words really: choice and equality. I don't care if a woman chooses to be a homemaker but it should be an option, not the only role she's allowed to fill.

That's exactly it. People shouldn't be putting these limitations on others because people just aren't the same across the board. What works for one might not work for another. And probably WON'T. Even among people who want to do similar things there are all sorts of degrees. People, all people, should be allowed to choose the path that fits them best, whatever that might be.

[Leeness]

Happy belated, Devo. :)

Choice and equality sounds about right. If a woman wants to be a mom/wife, that's fine! Awesome!

And if a woman wants no kids, no husband, and to run a company, that's fine! Awesome!

And if a woman wants a kid, a job, a hubby, anything, that's fine! Awesome!

As long as she has all options and isn't forced into it or anything.

[Inanna]

Man, I didn't know some American women were this backward. :\

Oh and, happy belated Dev. :D Sorry I have been MIA in the OT so I didn't know it was your birthday.

Leeness, I LOVE your avatar. Journey is the most amazing game EVER!

[RawPower]

I'll field this question to you all.

How do you feel about the man staying at home and being the housekeeper while the wife is the "breadwinner" so to speak? Personally, I feel they should have the option, at the very least.

[The Anti-Monitor]

Man, I didn't know some American women were this backward. :\

Not just american ones, my mother is the same and we're Spanish.

Same reason I actually never told her I'm bi. Doesn't stop her from declaring how sick and depraved "they" are.

[shanshan310]

Never met any really anti-women women, but I have met a few who were incredibly... naive when it came to women and relationships nowadays, and these were girls around my age. One girl, 20, after asking how long my partner "had been courting" me for, (answer at the time was 2 years) she asked if we'd kissed yet. Kind of adorable, in a way.

I'll field this question to you all. How do you feel about the man staying at home and being the housekeeper while the wife is the "breadwinner" so to speak? Personally, I feel they should have the option, at the very least.

It really depends on the household, but if it works well for them, great! I know our government changed maternity leave to paid parental leave recently. Though based on recent trends you'd be lucky to be living on a single income.


Half the people who say "women belong in the kitchen" shit are trolling, but it still bugs me =/

[clearacell]

Half the people who say "women belong in the kitchen" shit are trolling, but it still bugs me =/

I find that with stereotypes like this it's better to just take it upon yourself to troll with them, because you can sooner realize just how absurd those things are and it'll bother you less.

For example, as a Mexican I've had the stuff thrown at me that I'm a lazy, dirty, truck driving, lawn mower pushing, smelly, poor, drunk, dropout that hangs out with the homeboys on the street.

That....is definitely not an accurate description of me (though some apply :( ). But because I know these are absurd, I don't let them bother me one bit. Hell, I even end up thinking stuff like this is ridiculously funny, even though it's incredibly racist.

How do you feel about the man staying at home and being the housekeeper while the wife is the "breadwinner" so to speak? Personally, I feel they should have the option, at the very least.

There was the cover of a recent Time magazine about this very subject if you want to give it a read. I didn't go beyond what I could read at the supermarket line, but apparently in lower end jobs (which is still a huge percentage of people) women are finally out earning men, and there are a greater number of men being homemakers (my dad is an example of this!). In higher end jobs I can't remember the exact amount but women are still making less than men (88 cents to the dollar? Someone's gotta know) so the glass ceiling still exists, but times, they are a changing.

[friskykillface]

Heh still stupid to hear those jokes about women and staying in the kitchen still but what can you do.

If anything I'll be in the kitchen whipping up my awesome steak and spagetti :D

Happy belated Birthday Dev, did you get a halo themed cake? D:


Honestly if I were asked to be a stay at home dad while my wife wanted to work and be the one making most of the money it wouldn't matter , I'd do it. Mr mom style

Although if me and my wife were kid free I'd assume we would both work.

[Dax01]

Man, I didn't know some American women were this backward. :

I'll bet you anything you can find women like that everywhere. It's not something unique to the States.

[The Anti-Monitor]

Half the people who say "women belong in the kitchen" shit are trolling, but it still bugs me =/

Depending on how close you are to them, you can reply back with just about every stereotype you can think of. And if you can't think of any, then they're a bunch of commies.

How do you feel about the man staying at home and being the housekeeper while the wife is the "breadwinner" so to speak? Personally, I feel they should have the option, at the very least.

I don't know why anyone would think this is a bad thing.

[Brian Griffin]

My feminism can be trimmed down to two words really: choice and equality. I don't care if a woman chooses to be a homemaker but it should be an option, not the only role she's allowed to fill.

Same here.

I was born in the early 80s and even though being a career oriented woman was becoming more common, my mom decided she was done working and was going to be a homemaker full time. She was fantastic at it but was looked down on by other women, even friends, for not charging into the workforce like the empowered woman she was supposed to be. Too often it seems women are in no-win situations like this.

Pro tip: Making your own choices for your life is true empowerment.

[Lissar]

I'll field this question to you all. How do you feel about the man staying at home and being the housekeeper while the wife is the "breadwinner" so to speak? Personally, I feel they should have the option, at the very least.

I think it's awesome, and see no reason why this can't be a normal thing (it is technically an option, but it's not exactly socially accepted.) Especially with young children, if a guy isn't as career oriented as his partner, I don't see why he shouldn't stay home and take care of them.

[Emitan]

I don't see a problem with it. I don't personally want to do it, but then again, I don't even want kids.

[theignoramus]

if you smile at a guy and he doesnt respond with a smile or a "hey" does he come off as a jerk?

[Inanna]

Honestly if I were asked to be a stay at home dad while my wife wanted to work and be the one making most of the money it wouldn't matter , I'd do it. Mr mom style Although if me and my wife were kid free I'd assume we would both work.

Heh, reminds me of Up All Night show, been watching it religiously lately because of Will Arnett.

I'll bet you anything you can find women like that everywhere. It's not something unique to the States.

I guess, but I don't know of any women where I live that think like the ones SteveWinwood mentioned. Its surprising to me that in this day and age there are still women like that, especially in a country like US that still think women should stay at home.

[Red Scarlet]

I made awesome-o Abaddon in FemC mode.

/me flex

http://redscarlet.paragonsigma.com/g.../abaabaaba.png

[Inanna]

I have no idea what game that is Scarlet.

I feel bad that I never played all these old school games when I was younger.

[Red Scarlet]

It's Persona 3 Portable, not tooo old. The game on the right is Castlevania 2 for the NES.

[Lissar]

Why would you put a lot of effort into Abaddon D:

[RawPower]

I'd have no problem being a stay at home dad. I'm sure I'd get a lot of 'you're a faggot' and 'queer' accusations thrown my way, but I'm already kind of used to that by now.

[Red Scarlet]

Why would you put a lot of effort into Abaddon D:

He's invincible! Mostly. I just plop Spirit Drain on him and he gets MP no problemo. Plus I love fusing.

[Emitan]

I made awesome-o Abaddon in FemC mode. /me flex http://redscarlet.paragonsigma.com/g.../abaabaaba.png

Are you running P3P on your PC?!

[Red Scarlet]

Some audio/video output thing. It's only composite so doesn't look that great. ;(

[Emitan]

Some audio/video output thing. It's only composite so doesn't look that great. ;(

Darn.

I should really buy P3 FES one of these days and just emulate it.

[Professor Beef]

I'll field this question to you all. How do you feel about the man staying at home and being the housekeeper while the wife is the "breadwinner" so to speak? Personally, I feel they should have the option, at the very least.

If it works for them, then why should it matter to anyone else?

[SteveWinwood]

I'd have no problem being a stay at home dad. I'm sure I'd get a lot of 'you're a faggot' and 'queer' accusations thrown my way, but I'm already kind of used to that by now.

You surround yourself with these people?

[RawPower]

You surround yourself with these people?

Not willingly, no.

[BladeWorker]

if you smile at a guy and he doesnt respond with a smile or a "hey" does he come off as a jerk?

Assuming this is someone I don't already know. And that this is an "across the room" sort of thing.

He comes off as uninterested, which is his prerogative.

If I walk up to a guy, make eye contact, and say hi, I expect a "hi" back, with returned eye contact. If at that point you walk away, again, uninterested.

If someone takes the time to close distance between you and engage you somehow, acknowledge before you brush off.

Otherwise, yeah, you're a jerk.

[RawPower]

Here's another question.

Why are so many girls unwilling to even make eye contact when I pass them in the hallway, on the street, in the store, or wherever else? They always just seem to tilt their heads downward or pretend I'm not there. Am I doing something wrong?

[Zoe]

Here's another question. Why are so many girls unwilling to even make eye contact when I pass them in the hallway, on the street, in the store, or wherever else? They always just seem to tilt their heads downward or pretend I'm not there. Am I doing something wrong?

Are you sure they're making eye contact with everyone else? Doing that takes a lot of confidence, especially towards strangers.

[Professor Beef]

Thinking about RawPower's earlier question again while I was making dinner for my family just now...it actually reinforced the notion that I am perfectly ok with being a stay-at-home dad.

Besides, I make a bitchin' oven-baked mac and cheese.

[RawPower]

Are you sure they're making eye contact with everyone else? Doing that takes a lot of confidence, especially towards strangers.

I don't really pay attention. But as far as I can tell, they're not making 'eye contact' but they're not exactly turning their heads away either. I know I shouldn't care about this stuff, but this shit fucking hurts. D:

[icarus-daedelus]

Aw Devolution, your post made me sad. I think my mom actually may feel that way to a degree (especially the abortion part). Its scary, the older I get the more right-wing she becomes. She still loves me and my sisters, but she's kind of anti-women. Like the other day, she said she doesn't like women sportscasters or preachers. Does anybody else have experience with anti-women women? I guess I'll just have to watch the new Jane Eyre to make me feel better. Seriously Michael Fassbender as Mr. Rochester, le swoon.

My best friend pretty much dislikes women other than her mother, her sister, me, and her one other female friend. It's weird, but I think it's because her social circle was largely comprised of men throughout her school years.

I feel reaaally uncomfortable when the subject comes up, but I never say anything, preferring to keep my feelings pent up inside where they can fester quietly as a mental illness.

And yes, Fassbender is teh hotness. Have you seen Shame? It's, uh, pretty good.

[Devolution]

My best friend pretty much dislikes women other than her mother, her sister, me, and her one other female friend. It's weird, but I think it's because her social circle was largely comprised of men throughout her school years. I feel reaaally uncomfortable when the subject comes up, but I never say anything, preferring to keep my feelings pent up inside where they can fester quietly as a mental illness. And yes, Fassbender is teh hotness. Have you seen Shame? It's, uh, pretty good.

I was hostile towards girls in highschool despite having many as friends due to the ones in elementary/middle school giving me shit for being a tomboy.

[shanshan310]

My best friend pretty much dislikes women other than her mother, her sister, me, and her one other female friend. It's weird, but I think it's because her social circle was largely comprised of men throughout her school years. I feel reaaally uncomfortable when the subject comes up, but I never say anything, preferring to keep my feelings pent up inside where they can fester quietly as a mental illness. And yes, Fassbender is teh hotness. Have you seen Shame? It's, uh, pretty good.

My social group in high school and now mostly comprises of guys. I have no idea why though, I have no issue with girls. It just kinda happened that way... It really depends on the people, but I guess most of the people I share common interests with are guys. Its slowly evening out though, but for a while I got really nervous around girls ("aah, I want to have female friends, need to impress them to become friends with them. What do we talk about?!" Type crap).


Also Fassbender is at his sexiest when he's not speaking English.

[BladeWorker]

I was hostile towards girls in highschool despite having many as friends due to the ones in elementary/middle school giving me shit for being a tomboy.

On most occasions, I'm not much of a fan of my own gender. But that's generally because of what comes out of our mouths and/or what we put on our bodies.

I expect more of women, and I very rarely see my gender - as a collective - live up to my expectations.