[Rikkun]

I've tried wingwomen a few times... more often than not, I'm mistaken as the bf or I end up being the wingman for the girl (ie. fending off unwanted men).

This.
My only wingwoman fell for a stupid trick, didn't warn me and set me running for a girl who didn't deserve it. Now she's trying to set me on a date with a friend of her but I'm really afraid she's just not the right wingman.

[Agent Cooper]

Checking in. :3

[SRG01]

I am like the other guy and I tend to assume that a girl being flirty is just being friendly (mostly because I tend to bring that out in both sexes for some weird fucking reason) - but some of the stuff you said has me thinkin'. There is a particular girl, I've seen here or there at this gathering or that, and she's most of the time just had an interesting/friendly thing going on with me where she will be crude as fuck and say horribly mean stuff, but it was all in good fun and I would try (poorly) to reciprocate. Anyhoo, I went dancing a few nights back and she was there, and I don't know what was up but something was weird, she physically touched me for the first time ever, and it wasn't like brushing up against, she grabbed one of my dreads and started playing with it, mentioning how much longer it was than hers (she also has dreads). Then at random points at the night she would grab me and whisper in my ear something like "I am so fucking shocked at you right now, I didn't know you could dance, I am really really impressed". Which threw me the fuck off because she never compliments me. Anyway, that was basically it, I honestly had a lot going on that night so I didn't give it too much attention, but now I have a mild lingering thought in the back of my head. It doesn't matter too much, as I have plenty on my romantic plate, it just would be interesting if she was interested. Because she is really hot. Like really.

Just sayin', people are allowed to be turned on or impressed by another. It doesn't necessarily mean there's interest.

Then again, you'll never know if you don't make a move.

[Inanna]

I haven't gotten sized for bras before, but I just tend to try them on until they fit/feel comfortable. >_> My biggest peeve is how expensive bras are. Well.. maybe besides the underwiring freeing itself and stabbing me. Man, bras suck.

Don't you guys have the non-wired ones? I always go for the wired kind made of cotton mostly with non-existent lace work are so damn comfortable! Hate lacey bras.

[SRG01]

This. My only wingwoman fell for a stupid trick, didn't warn me and set me running for a girl who didn't deserve it. Now she's trying to set me on a date with a friend of her but I'm really afraid she's just not the right wingman.

The best way is to go with a mixed group. That way, it seems like less wingy and more social.

[Prax]

Don't you guys have the non-wired ones? I always go for the wired kind made of cotton mostly with non-existent lace work are so damn comfortable! Hate lacey bras.

Yes, but non-wired ones kind of don't have the same amount of support. The shape's usually blah. (Okay, this might be the problem with having larger breasts. idk).
Lacey bras are only for show--unnecessary! I like plain thinly lined bras best and am totally wowed by how much extra padding for push-up effects many bras have these days! SUCH AMAZING BRA TECHNOLOGY EXISTS NOW. Too bad I don't want any of it!

[A Human Becoming]

PS: Let me in, facebook group!

Also wtf, Fb-GAF? Someone approve me.

I second this

I'm sure Gowans will get around to it eventually. Message him about it if you want.

[thesoapster]

You just have to compare it to how she treats other guys. Unless you're her best friend, if you see a girl act that way towards you and no one else, then she definitely likes you.

Yeah, I had figured :) (and this was the case, but...it couldn't happen for a couple reasons...another story heh... *sadface)

I assume most of the girls here expect to be asked out or have the guy be the initiator. I know this is traditional. There is one woman (41 y/o I believe) who is a friend of mine and in some ways an advice giver. She has a good job, oversees a decently large group of specialists, and is pretty strong-willed. She told me a few stories from her dating years, and how on several occasions she was simply too impatient to try and get a guy to ask her out and would instead initiate (give a number, etc). She's fairly attractive (certainly good enough to be asked out), so I found this funny. Any girls get this feeling?

[Inanna]

Girls are scary. Especially when they already know who you are, who you've dated and for how long. And this is before you have even introduced yourself to them. My girlfriend knew everything about me before I even started going out with her. I will begin to understand girls by the time I'm 50.

Why would girls want to know who the guy they are interested in used to date? Most women I know don't do that, not the sane ones at least. If my friends know a guy they just tell me what they think of him and how he is as a person or if they like him or not, they don't go on and on and give me a huge list of girls he's been with. Seriously, why would anyone want to know THAT? And no I wouldn't ask them to tell me everything about the guy. I mean, the whole point of dating is getting to know each other.

[Alucrid]

I need some help. Why is it that most of the time girls have radically different taste on good mens clothing? At least in what I've noticed. They seem to think whatever current trend is what's good fashion. I've seem enough outfits picked out by friends girlfriends and awful clothing complimented by friends to nevernot take a womens sartorial advice with a grain of salt.

Sorry bad english is due to typing on a phone.

[Kinitari]

Just sayin', people are allowed to be turned on or impressed by another. It doesn't necessarily mean there's interest. Then again, you'll never know if you don't make a move.

Eh, it's not a big deal really, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. I just wanted to play with everyone else in the thread :x.

[kisaya]

Yeah, I had figured :) (and this was the case, but...it couldn't happen for a couple reasons...another story heh... *sadface) I assume most of the girls here expect to be asked out or have the guy be the initiator. I know this is traditional. There is one woman (41 y/o I believe) who is a friend of mine and in some ways an advice giver. She has a good job, oversees a decently large group of specialists, and is pretty strong-willed. She told me a few stories from her dating years, and how on several occasions she was simply too impatient to try and get a guy to ask her out and would instead initiate (give a number, etc). She's fairly attractive (certainly good enough to be asked out), so I found this funny. Any girls get this feeling?

Most girls like guys who are really confident, which is why they wait for him to make the first move. It's pretty much the first test.
Like I said before, if there's an obvious mutual attraction and the guy doesn't ask first, I'll just jump on it. So much better than sitting around waiting with all these feelings bottled up inside.

[blame space]

so "awwwww" is vagina for "pussy kryptonite"

i'm learning

[shanshan310]

This. My only wingwoman fell for a stupid trick, didn't warn me and set me running for a girl who didn't deserve it. Now she's trying to set me on a date with a friend of her but I'm really afraid she's just not the right wingman.

Hey, I did the wing-woman thing once and it worked. My friend was trying to pick up this Korean girl, and I spoke a bit of Korean. He ended up getting her number :D Awww yeah.

Yes, but non-wired ones kind of don't have the same amount of support. The shape's usually blah. (Okay, this might be the problem with having larger breasts. idk). Lacey bras are only for show--unnecessary! I like plain thinly lined bras best and am totally wowed by how much extra padding for push-up effects many bras have these days! SUCH AMAZING BRA TECHNOLOGY EXISTS NOW. Too bad I don't want any of it!

Noooooo push-up bras are the best. But even with them I can't get the cleavage effect TT-TT
Sports bras/ bras without wire etc make me feel uncomfortable. Usually the fabrics pretty thin and I'm not cool with people seeing nipples.

[kisaya]

I need some help. Why is it that most of the time girls have radically different taste on good mens clothing? At least in what I've noticed. They seem to think whatever current trend is what's good fashion. I've seem enough outfits picked out by friends girlfriends and awful clothing complimented by friends to nevernot take a womens sartorial advice with a grain of salt. Sorry bad english is due to typing on a phone.

I don't know about bad taste, but typically a girl wants to look good next to her man. If she sees something in fashion for men then she obviously would want the guy to follow that model.
Same goes with guy friends. If she sees that they're wearing something that's "out of style" then she wants to help him out by picking up clothes that goes with whats in fashion. We do the same for our girl friends.
It's another story though if what's in fashion just doesn't look good on the guy. No one should ever wear something that doesn't go well with them even if it's in fashion.

[Jin34]

Sometimes there are guys out there who think we're being nice cause we're into them, but it's really just us being friendly. I'll admit there are girls who really do act flirty when talking to their guy friends but most of the time they don't even realize they can be leading on someone. One day I was with a guy friend of mine and I started just playing around with the palm of his hand. A week later he asked one of my friends if I liked him and used that day as an example. Maybe he's just really naiive but that's what I get most of time.

The hand thing would have made think the same thing. This is one of the problems that drives both sexes insane, the misunderstanding of signals like this. He/She says/does one thing that gets interpreted as an advance while the other person didn't mean anything by it.

Useful clues: a) if she's paying more attention to you than her friends, and the word "awww" never is uttered; b) if the physical contact she makes with you isn't incidental, but is instead lingering; c) if she is going out of her way to spend more time with you. All indicate more than just "friendly". If she does these things and then insists she's not into you, she's a tease (and one of the many reasons I often dislike my own gender.)

Funny about the aww one, I've used that on girls and I didn't mean I wasn't attracted, was just joking around if they do something silly. What are some things that guys do that confuse you girls?

I also hate the putting you in a box from the first time they meet you since I take a while to open up but by then I'm screwed already.

What things do guys do that confuse you girls

[ikkemenx]

so "awwwww" is vagina for "pussy kryptonite" i'm learning

Awwww

[shanshan310]

I need some help. Why is it that most of the time girls have radically different taste on good mens clothing? At least in what I've noticed. They seem to think whatever current trend is what's good fashion. I've seem enough outfits picked out by friends girlfriends and awful clothing complimented by friends to nevernot take a womens sartorial advice with a grain of salt. Sorry bad english is due to typing on a phone.

Men's fashion never really changes though. At least, that's what I feel. You can never go wrong with a nice shirt.

[Inanna]

Yes, but non-wired ones kind of don't have the same amount of support. The shape's usually blah. (Okay, this might be the problem with having larger breasts. idk). Lacey bras are only for show--unnecessary! I like plain thinly lined bras best and am totally wowed by how much extra padding for push-up effects many bras have these days! SUCH AMAZING BRA TECHNOLOGY EXISTS NOW. Too bad I don't want any of it!

Heh, I'm the complete opposite. I don't like the shape of wired ones. Yeah, maybe you're right. I don't have extremely big ones, so I guess maybe that's why. The only thing I have had trouble with is finding D's in 34 and bellow.

[kisaya]

The hand thing would have made think the same thing. This is one of the problems that drives both sexes insane, the misunderstanding of signals like this. He/She says/does one thing that gets interpreted as an advance while the other person didn't mean anything by it.

Let me explain the hand thing haha. Usually I always have something to play with in my hands. I'm known for having conversations where I take a straw wrapper and just breaking it into little pieces while we're talking. In this case, me, him, and a few other friends were chilling and at one point we high fived. Then it just led to me playing around with his hand for maybe 10 seconds. It really wasn't anything flirty at all, and it was funny he assumed that I liked him since he knows about my dumb gestures.

[Jin34]

Let me explain the hand thing haha. Usually I always have something to play with in my hands. I'm known for having conversations where I take a straw wrapper and just breaking it into little pieces while we're talking. In this case, me, him, and a few other friends were chilling and at one point we high fived. Then it just led to me playing around with his hand for maybe 10 seconds. It really wasn't anything flirty at all, and it was funny he assumed that I liked him since he knows about my dumb gestures.

Ah well that's a little different then.

[Inanna]

My best friend had a close guy friend confess to her. She really thinks he's a great guy and someone who would treat her right, but she just isn't attracted to him. She's one of those girls who can be perceived as flirty around guys she hangs around with (ex. excessive hugging, sitting on their laps, long conversations at night, etc etc), so he pretty much jumped at a chance he thought he had. At the time she was looking into a relationship with a friend of his so it really killed her turning him down. The good thing though is that they're still really close so it didn't damage their friendship, who knows what will happen later. Sometimes I try to be careful with my guy friends so I don't have something like that happen to me. At the same time though it sucks to stop doing something you're really accustomed to doing with everyone.

I don't understand girls like your friend. Why be flirty with a friend that you are not attracted to? Why not treat all your friends the same? I treat my male friends exactly like I treat my female friends so there is no confusion.

[computers putin']

That "awwww" thing is weird

I need an example of when this a bad thing. Is it bad all the time or does it depend on the context?

[Prax]

Heh, I'm the complete opposite. I don't like the shape of wired ones. Yeah, maybe you're right. I don't have extremely big ones, so I guess maybe that's why. The only thing I have had trouble with is finding D's in 34 and bellow.

I consider D's big! But maybe they don't work the same because your band size is pretty small!

I don't understand girls like your friend. Why be flirty with a friend that you are not attractive to? Why not treat all your friends the same? I treat my male friends exactly like I treat my female friends so there is no confusion.

Yeah, I have one girl friend in particular that's pretty flirty with guys. She is kind of oblivious to the whole. "guys generally take all signs of physical attention as attraction" rule, so it lands her into trouble. And then she gets all creeped out by the guy wanting to make moves on her. Haha. Some girls just like teasing guys. Mind games and power games, yo. >_>

[kisaya]

I don't understand girls like your friend. Why be flirty with a friend that you are not attractive to? Why not treat all your friends the same? I treat my male friends exactly like I treat my female friends so there is no confusion.

She wasn't purposely being flirty, that's just how she acts with people who she's close with. He wasn't the only guy that she acted this way around, she does this with girls too.
Not really justifying her though, but she didn't really realize at that time she was leading him on, especially since she was telling him that she was looking for a relationship with his friend.

[blame space]

Awwww

-_-

[shanshan310]

Lol, someone's fishing around for girl-gaf on the facebook page. I'm not falling for that one!

[kisaya]

Some girls just like teasing guys. Mind games and power games, yo. >_>

To be honest I'm one of those girls who tend to tease guys who I'm not interested in. On the other hand I'm more careful and a little intimidated by guys I have feelings for, aka awkwardness.

[blame space]

to be honest you're about to get a lot of attention in this thread

[Rikkun]

To be honest I'm one of those girls who tend to tease guys who I'm not interested in. On the other hand I'm more careful and a little intimidated by guys I have feelings for, aka awkwardness.

And I'm done here, this thread is making me totally nervous :(

[Epic Tales of Penis]

So I don't have much sexual experience and the guy I'm with is of average length but has a lot of girth. Whenever we have sex I find that he's really stretching me. What are the best positions or other advice to help minimize this?

[ikkemenx]

And I'm done here, this thread is making me totally nervous :(

Wait, why are you nervous?

[Tkawsome]

Useful clues: a) if she's paying more attention to you than her friends, and the word "awww" never is uttered;

What is this "Awww" stuff? Like the sound people make when they see a puppy?

[shanshan310]

So I don't have much sexual experience and the guy I'm with is of average length but has a lot of girth. Whenever we have sex I find that he's really stretching me. What are the best positions or other advice to help minimize this?

I'm actually not sure, but of all the gaffers your name and avatar combined make you look like the least likely candidate for a girl.

[Prax]

What is this "Awww" stuff? Like the sound people make when they see a puppy?

Yes. It is the sound of condescension and pity in a "you're so cute, you try so hard" kind of way! At least, that's my interpretation.

Excited "AaAW~!" = you're amazing! -- neutral to interested.
Sympathetic "aaaww....~" = you poor cute thing... haaaaahaaaa.. I am not interested in you.

Well, if that's how I were writing characters in a comic, that is how I would portray it!

I am probably confusing you though~! I don't actually know anything! Hahaaha~!

[ajf009]

So I don't have much sexual experience and the guy I'm with is of average length but has a lot of girth. Whenever we have sex I find that he's really stretching me. What are the best positions or other advice to help minimize this?

try positions called 'Cross' or 'Intersextion' Sorry Google!

[Rikkun]

Wait, why are you nervous?

I just want to ask a girl out. Probably it won't end as I hope but I won't be friend-zoned again in this life if that's not what I want.

What is this "Awww" stuff? Like the sound people make when they see a puppy?

I guess so.

So I don't have much sexual experience and the guy I'm with is of average length but has a lot of girth. Whenever we have sex I find that he's really stretching me. What are the best positions or other advice to help minimize this?

I'll leave the answer to the girl but.. that nickname.




bonus: I need a multiquote something for chrome, brb.

[computers putin']

So I don't have much sexual experience and the guy I'm with is of average length but has a lot of girth. Whenever we have sex I find that he's really stretching me. What are the best positions or other advice to help minimize this?

I doubt you're a girl

[Alucrid]

Yes. It is the sound of condescension and pity in a "you're so cute, you try so hard" kind of way! At least, that's my interpretation. Excited "AaAW~!" = you're amazing! -- neutral to interested. Sympathetic "aaaww....~" = you poor cute thing... haaaaahaaaa.. I am not interested in you. Well, if that's how I were writing characters in a comic, that is how I would portray it! I am probably confusing you though~! I don't actually know anything! Hahaaha~!

I strain to think of a conversation with girlfriendof people I know where awww didn't make its way in there somewhere. I should try doing it to them. Also more on clothes when multiquoting isn't impossible

[Inanna]

Yeah, I have one girl friend in particular that's pretty flirty with guys. She is kind of oblivious to the whole. "guys generally take all signs of physical attention as attraction" rule, so it lands her into trouble. And then she gets all creeped out by the guy wanting to make moves on her. Haha. Some girls just like teasing guys. Mind games and power games, yo. >_>

Ah, mind games suck imo. You are knowingly playing with a person's feelings, that's just not right. Unless the other person is also into it which quite a few guys are. Guys like that like the chase and girls that play hard to get. I think straightforward women must be a huge turn off to guys like that.

[computers putin']

next time I hear "awww" in a conversation with a girl I'm just walking away

[ikkemenx]

So I don't have much sexual experience and the guy I'm with is of average length but has a lot of girth. Whenever we have sex I find that he's really stretching me. What are the best positions or other advice to help minimize this?

Some added lube might make things more comfortable for you.

What is this "Awww" stuff? Like the sound people make when they see a puppy?

Yeah, it sounds random but I can actually admit to doing this. Something you can say when you take pity on a guy or if someone (who likes you but you don't really like back) is just talking about something unfortunate and you awkwardly try to sympathize "aww, haha..." as it's a good silence-filler. Just really works when you don't have anything else to say to the person.

But yeah, like Prax mentioned if it's a really sincere/excited "AWW" it can be totally different. I can also remember doing this around guys I REALLY liked.

[Prax]

next time I hear "awww" in a conversation with a girl I'm just walking away

Aaaaw c'mon! We just be teasin'! Why ain't you havin' fun like we are?!

[shanshan310]

next time I hear "awww" in a conversation with a girl I'm just walking away

But like Prax said, it really depends on the "aww". Sometimes its kinda condescending, other times it suggests genuine excitement/ overload of cutness. I'm guilty of doing both.

Also more on clothes when multiquoting isn't impossible

You can rarely go wrong with a leather jacket and/ or a button up shirt. I guess it depends on your body shape though...

[kisaya]

I just want to ask a girl out. Probably it won't end as I hope but I won't be friend-zoned again in this life if that's not what I want.

I'm not sure what I can tell you cause every girl is different (plus I don't really know your situation), only that you just have to be observant on how she acts around you and her friends. I hope everything works out though!

[computers putin']

Aaaaw c'mon! We just be teasin'! Why ain't you havin' fun like we are?!

*walks away*

[Devolution]

I need some help. Why is it that most of the time girls have radically different taste on good mens clothing? At least in what I've noticed. They seem to think whatever current trend is what's good fashion. I've seem enough outfits picked out by friends girlfriends and awful clothing complimented by friends to nevernot take a womens sartorial advice with a grain of salt. Sorry bad english is due to typing on a phone.

Pfft I'm good at picking out men's fashion. About a year or two ago I spotted a cool jacket that one of my guy pal's still wears. I think it helps though that I'm more into harder edge fashion to begin with.

[Typographenia]

At the risk of sounding horribly ignorant or generalizing...

I'm curious, Girls of Gaf, what's with the big appeal of changing hair color?
Most of the time it's that thing where girls bleach their hair blonde or just the tips or something, but why? Is it that you just want to wear it differently, don't like the original color, or some other reason?

It's always perplexed me, as I think dyed hair tends to look tacky more often than not. Natural hair color just looks so much nicer, in my opinion.

[Rikkun]

I'm not sure what I can tell you cause every girl is different (plus I don't really know your situation), only that you just have to be observant on how she acts around you and her friends. I hope everything works out though!

I know, I made a long post in the dating-age thread some days ago and a guy told me "Just ask her out, geez" so here I am.
She's a semi-coworker, 4y younger than me, don't wanna ruin the mood at workplace, we both work way too much, hopefully tomorrow I'll have time to ask her.

Ah, the guy also said to don't rape her, so I'll be careful if I'll get the date.

[ikkemenx]

At the risk of sounding horribly ignorant or generalizing... I'm curious, Girls of Gaf, what's with the big appeal of changing hair color? Most of the time it's that thing where girls bleach their hair blonde or just the tips or something, but why? Is it that you just want to wear it differently, don't like the original color, or some other reason? It's always perplexed me, as I think dyed hair tends to look tacky more often than not. Natural hair color just looks so much nicer, in my opinion.

It's possible you might not be noticing a lot of the more subtle dye jobs. Often it's more than for aesthetic reasons. A fresh cut/dye or both can feel rejuvenating. Like at the start of a new school year where you want things to be different. For some people it's just for fun/experimentation and for some people it can be a pretty personal decision. Some people just get sick of a colour and want to get bold, and some might be deciding to go for a whole new look altogether. Personally I'm not a fan of big/wacky dyejobs and unnatural colours (neons, blues, greens and pinks) but sometimes just tinting to a shade that complements your skintone/eyes etc can do a whole lot of good!