[Eternia]

Don't most big budget games sell you some kind of skin/costume nowadays? I see some in Fable, Uncharted, Resistance, Red Dead Redemption, LittleBigPlanet, etc.

People seem to die for this stuff, even the most reluctant ones just need their favourite game and the right kind of skin and they will be buying something too.

[FieryBalrog]

How is this differant than hats in TF2? It's not really. I am ok with them charging shit load of money for astetic crap that doesn't alter the game at all. You want gun skins? Pay up!

The TF2 stuff is stupid too, but at least the game is free.

[Full Recovery]

They won't even be able to see them when they're on the ground and getting ground-pounded/beaten to death with their own arm.

They will if I kill them and then pickup their pink lancer and chainsaw them with it while shouting WOO YEAH BABY IMA TAKE ON ALL YALL!

[The Xtortionist]

They will if I kill them and then pickup their pink lancer and chainsaw them with it while shouting WOO YEAH BABY IMA TAKE ON ALL YALL!

I just found my mission in Gears 3.

Thank you good sir.

[Full Recovery]

I just found my mission in Gears 3. Thank you good sir.

It's always a good strategy to piss them off. It'll be best with revenge seekers, you know the ones you kill and then they bull run right back to you. I'll have a grin ear to ear as I mow them down time and time again with their pink lancer.

[Amir0x]

They won't even be able to see them when they're on the ground and getting ground-pounded/beaten to death with their own arm.

Anti-Skin Crowd Upon Skull Crushing: "Suck it, dude who burned $45 for no reason!"
Dude whose Skull was Crushed: "You jelly?"

[StalkerUKCG]

I was all set on getting this pack before the price annoucement, However £51 for season pass and skin packs is too steep for me considering im already dropping close to £1000 on games before december.

The point which no one seems to be bring up is ALL THIS CONTENT IS ON THE DISC, Your buying the game for £40/£60/£100 and atop that they want 2400 MSP for a season pass and 3600 for Skins. Thats £51.

Ill deal with the season pass issue first, what we know this contains so far is content we have already been shown, Aurza, Rust Lung, Blood Drive, Bernie, Onyx Gaurd, Tai... The only content aluded to that hasnt been shown is Michale Barrick who could still be on this disc. By buying the seson pass Epic already have your money, so any non on disc DLC Epic can take their sweet time with and theres no promises what the dlc contains, it could be a simple gears 2 map reskin and the gears 1 kim model. Again some percentage of the paid season pass DLC we already own, and they cant hide behind the "its so everyone can see it" argument they can with skins (which is weak in itself)

Moving on to the skins, All this content like a part of the season content is on the disc. Epic incase people have been out of the loop have said this is so everyone can see the skins, for the life of me i cant understand why this content isnt simply synced into the cache of the 360 when joining a lobby. The argument falls apart relativly quickly we arnt talking about Mortal kombat esq characters here with high levels of detail, this is at most a couple of mb's of texture files.

All the leaked/annouced DLC is all on the disc, I do feel entitled to that content like it or not its content iv already bought in my initial game purchase. I would have less of a problem if this content was created after the game shipped consuming more dev/pub money and man hours but it isnt, its content created within the original dev cycle they have purposly withheld to make profit. With the annoucment of Single player DLC it makes me wonder if elements of the story where axed aswell for the sake of DLC.

Iv got no problem with True DLC even in the vain of mappacks aslong as i know the map packs where made in a seperate dev window, example Halo. This screams greed to me on every level and i cant see any other reason for it.

Edit: For all the people saying they will outright attack players who have the skin DLC you need to grow up, seriously 4.0 them buying the skin dosnt effect you in any single way and your going to grief them? smh get over it.

u mad cuz u jelly?

[Rhazer Fusion]

Costumes is one thing, but weapon skins. LOL

[Vire]

Anti-Skin Crowd Upon Skull Crushing: "Suck it, dude who burned $45 for no reason!" Dude whose Skull was Crushed: "You jelly?"

Nope.

[Snuggler]

it's still not as bad as buying clothes for your Avatar

[Sinoox]

Well... Epic has never been my favorite game developer by a long stretch.

[Full Recovery]

it's still not as bad as buying clothes for your Avatar

They're both textures for a character. Just as bad.

[MarshMellow96]

No twitter backlash yet?

[SapientWolf]

It's pretty cool to see stupid people funding AAA games.

Kind of have to agree.

[Pancakes]

Nope.

Perfect.

[MThanded]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Wut?

[mrpeabody]

Hilarious that the season pass STILL doesn't get you everything.

[WanderingWind]

It's always a good strategy to piss them off. It'll be best with revenge seekers, you know the ones you kill and then they bull run right back to you. I'll have a grin ear to ear as I mow them down time and time again with their pink lancer.

I don't even play Gears. But I will join a clan or group or whatever with a group of GAF folks for the sole purpose of just griefing the shit out of people who bought colorful weapons.

[dropshock]

No twitter backlash yet?

Patience....patience...

[Tom Penny]

People always complain about optional things. You don't have to buy it and someone has to pay for the the man hours to produce the content.

[dropshock]

People always complain about optional things. You don't have to buy it and someone has to pay for the the man hours to produce the content.

yeah its called $59.99 MSRP. You pay this money and get this cool plastic case and a dvd inside! except its not a movie its a game!! and the plastic has shiny paper with a picture on it and words on the back.

Buying the game is paying for the manhours, especially if the content is on the disc being purchased.

[JudgeN]

Hilarious that the season pass STILL doesn't get you everything.

I haven't kept up on Gears 3 but what does the season pass actually include? Is it known yet?

[ickingfudiot]

yeah its called $59.99 MSRP. You pay this money and get this cool plastic case and a dvd inside! except its not a movie its a game!! and the plastic has shiny paper with a picture on it and words on the back. Buying the game is paying for the manhours, especially if the content is on the disc being purchased.

Just not true, you're exchanging a set price for an experience that includes gameplay of various types set in a series of maps or campaign levels.

Your 60 bucks does not entitle you to any and all goods produced during whatever arbitrary dates they began production on Gears 3 and when the gold disc was burnt, that's preposterous.

[dropshock]

Just not true, you're exchanging a set price for an experience that includes gameplay of various types set in a series of maps or campaign levels. Your 60 bucks does not entitle you to any and all goods produced during whatever arbitrary dates they began production on Gears 3 and when the gold disc was burnt, that's preposterous.

If its on the DISC and was content that went gold along with the game, thats what I'm buying. I support DLC that gets made after they finish the original game. Not content that they intentionally took out to make more money on.

[Neuromancer]

10 pages, haha

[ickingfudiot]

If its on the DISC and was content that went gold along with the game, thats what I'm buying. I support DLC that gets made after they finish the original game. Not content that they intentionally took out to make more money on.

How do you know they intentionally took it out?

They have a budget to make the game. If the extra content was created solely for the purpose as another source of income (i.e., DLC) and the time and money to create it would never have been allotted if that was not an option.

It's particularly clear if the art was outsourced (happens a lot these days). If they paid an external art house XX dollars to generate all these weapon skins separate from production, what does it matter if that outsourcing happened before or after the disc shipped?

Fundamentally you're getting it on disc because Microsoft has draconian rules about pushing out global content updates to all users past small size patches, so it's difficult or impossible to release a big push of this kind of content post-ship and have all users have consistent content so they can play together. So on-disc DLC ends up being the only way to add another revenue stream to the title.

[Square Triangle]

Why did you make another thread for this. Keep the lulz in the OT.

Why do the guys who make the OT always whine if someone makes a thread relating to the same game?

This is hilarious.

[-PXG-]

Why do the guys who make the OT always whine if someone makes a thread relating to the same game? This is hilarious.

Well, I assumed that GAF would be annoyed that someone made a Gears 3 thread, when there is already an OT. Just thought people wouldn't like the redundancy :/

Also, I wasn't even being serious. It was more like, "Boy. Git yer ass back in there" kind of thing.

[Utako]

Unfortunately, the skins are on the disc but the user must pay to unlock them.

So does it count as piracy if you add them through a hack?

[WanderingWind]

Also, I wasn't even being serious. It was more like, "Boy. Git yer ass back in there" kind of thing.

...and how often, on average, would you say that kind of thing occurs in your life?

InB4UrMom

[dropshock]

How do you know they intentionally took it out? They have a budget to make the game. If the extra content was created solely for the purpose as another source of income (i.e., DLC) and the time and money to create it would never have been allotted if that was not an option. It's particularly clear if the art was outsourced (happens a lot these days). If they paid an external art house XX dollars to generate all these weapon skins separate from production, what does it matter if that outsourcing happened before or after the disc shipped? Fundamentally you're getting it on disc because Microsoft has draconian rules about pushing out global content updates to all users past small size patches, so it's difficult or impossible to release a big push of this kind of content post-ship and have all users have consistent content so they can play together. So on-disc DLC ends up being the only way to add another revenue stream to the title.

You make valid points. I still don't like it, and I do believe they intentionally take it out for more money, but I will bow out of this discussion with some of my dignity lol

[elektrixx]

I'm fine with it. Content is content.

In theory there won't be another Gears game for a while so we may as well have heaps of trinkets.

[Lambtron]

I'm not surprised. I was able to sell my Gold Lancer skin from the Gears 2 limited edition for $65 like a year after the game came out.

[AndyMoogle]

How do you know they intentionally took it out? They have a budget to make the game. If the extra content was created solely for the purpose as another source of income (i.e., DLC) and the time and money to create it would never have been allotted if that was not an option. It's particularly clear if the art was outsourced (happens a lot these days). If they paid an external art house XX dollars to generate all these weapon skins separate from production, what does it matter if that outsourcing happened before or after the disc shipped? Fundamentally you're getting it on disc because Microsoft has draconian rules about pushing out global content updates to all users past small size patches, so it's difficult or impossible to release a big push of this kind of content post-ship and have all users have consistent content so they can play together. So on-disc DLC ends up being the only way to add another revenue stream to the title.

Rod Fergusson admitted in the Q&A that all of these skins are on the disc. His reasoning as to why this was ok was that if they weren't on the disc, no one but the people who bought the skin would be able to see it.

[Full Recovery]

When you purchase Gears of War 3 you're only getting 57% of the total value of code on the disc.

[animlboogy]

Cosmetic bullshit. I honestly could not give a fuck if they charge or not. Whoever buys it... that's up to them.

[Class_A_Ninja]

My Live just ran out. So I'll need to pay $60 to have any use for my $45 collection of rainbow guns after purchasing a game for $60.

I'm playing $9.00 copy of BulletStorm on PC and enjoying it, so I don't mind EPIC. Probably just Microsoft.

[ickingfudiot]

You make valid points. I still don't like it, and I do believe they intentionally take it out for more money, but I will bow out of this discussion with some of my dignity lol

Polite discourse in an Internet discussion, is this real life?

I actually tend to side with you as a gamer, but just putting on my dev hat for a bit, here.

[nomis]

The Reventón Cliff is eyeballin' isn't gonna fucking pay for itself.

[dropshock]

Polite discourse in an Internet discussion, is this real life? I actually tend to side with you as a gamer, but just putting on my dev hat for a bit, here.

Or is this just fantasy? (had to)

Actually I'm usually more dev-friendly and don't particularly comment on stuff like this, but for some reason this got to me. Perhaps the price, or just general lack of patience lately. Who knows

[Emitan]

... And some idiots out there will still buy it

A lot of idiots out there will still buy it.

[malfcn]

What happened to Epic?

Epic Games president Mike Capps was asked about how the company was going to keep Gears a top seller. He quickly replied, "We always take care of our customers, we always give them stuff for free, and we're going to keep doing that forever. That's how we do it. This is Epic."

Granted that was many years ago, but..times change?

[ickingfudiot]

Rod Fergusson admitted in the Q&A that all of these skins are on the disc. His reasoning as to why this was ok was that if they weren't on the disc, no one but the people who bought the skin would be able to see it.

Yeah, this is a function of how UE3 and most game engines work. They could have sent these skins out as off disc Dlc but non purchasers wouldn't have the content. At that point you either just show the default skin on consoles without the content, or disallow connections
between haves and have not. Both solutions suck.

I'm arguing on disc Dlc is the same as post ship as it is often budgeted and created in the same way. It's just included to solve these tech hurdles.

All that said, there is still a valid argument to be made that there is not enough base content that you can unlock without $$$.

[AndyMoogle]

What happened to Epic? Epic Games president Mike Capps was asked about how the company was going to keep Gears a top seller. He quickly replied, "We always take care of our customers, we always give them stuff for free, and we're going to keep doing that forever. That's how we do it. This is Epic." Granted that was many years ago, but..times change?

They tried to get MS to let them release stuff for free, but they realized that it was a lost cause. Now they don't even care anymore.

[Neuromancer]

What happened to Epic? Epic Games president Mike Capps was asked about how the company was going to keep Gears a top seller. He quickly replied, "We always take care of our customers, we always give them stuff for free, and we're going to keep doing that forever. That's how we do it. This is Epic." Granted that was many years ago, but..times change?

Times changed when they wanted to give away that one map pack for free (I think it was Gears 1) and Microsoft was all, "lol no."

[AndyMoogle]

Times changed when they wanted to give away that one map pack for free (I think it was Gears 1) and Microsoft was all, "lol no."

Yup, it was the second map pack for Gears 1. The first map pack was free because it was sponsored by... something.

[dropshock]

The Reventón Cliff is eyeballin' isn't gonna fucking pay for itself.

I'll do his paint job for $45,000

[Hey You]

Rod Fergusson admitted in the Q&A that all of these skins are on the disc. His reasoning as to why this was ok was that if they weren't on the disc, no one but the people who bought the skin would be able to see it.

Rockstar released a patch for this exact problem for RDR.

[Proc]

Greed is an ugly headline.

[bigboss370]

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