[Seanspeed]

EA keeping Porsche for a few months worked out pretty sweetly for Turn 10, didn't it? A bunch of content that was originally going to be included in the price of the original game, and that forms but a very small fraction of the overall content of said game, will soon be released at a price higher than you can now buy the original game for. I guess I'd be feeling a little less violated if there were a couple of, like, new tracks included in the astronomical asking price. Seriously, it's great to have Porsche back in Forza - but if EA had been a little more gracious six months ago we'd have had them all on day one at no extra cost. Why are Turn 10 or Microsoft charging so much for them when they wanted them included in the original game? I really think we are being taken advantage of here.

Because Turn 10 still had to pay EA for the licensing deal and then had to model all the cars(Dan has said they were all remade for this pack) just like with any DLC. The event listing does suggest they wanted them in the game, but creating events for them is probably just a bit of coding while creating the cars themselves actually takes work. I mean, I'm sure Turn 10 has wanted ALL the cars we've seen in DLC so far. Does that mean that all the DLC should be free or cheaper?

Blame EA if you like, but Turn 10 are doing what they have to do to try and make back some money on the deal. The alternative was them just forgetting about Porsche and never having the option in the first place.

[Mascot]

Because Turn 10 still had to pay EA for the licensing deal and then had to model all the cars(Dan has said they were all remade for this pack) just like with any DLC. The event listing does suggest they wanted them in the game, but creating events for them is probably just a bit of coding while creating the cars themselves actually takes work. I mean, I'm sure Turn 10 has wanted ALL the cars we've seen in DLC so far. Does that mean that all the DLC should be free or cheaper? Blame EA if you like, but Turn 10 are doing what they have to do to try and make back some money on the deal. The alternative was them just forgetting about Porsche and never having the option in the first place.

But didn't Dan say that Turn 10 were fighting right up until the last minute to get Porsches into the game, but EA wouldn't let them?
This suggests:

1. The cars were already modelled and ready to be included on the disc on release day.
2. Any payments due to EA for the Porsche licence were already factored into the development costs of FM4.

The delay gave MS/T10 an opportunity to farm some extra cash from DLC, and as businesses they would be mad to pass that opportunity up. I just think it would have been nice if the loyal fans didn't have to pay quite so much for content that we were reasonably expecting (right up until the last minute) to be already included in the game.

I'd feel exactly the same if Amalfi Long or New York were released as paid-for DLC.

[twinturbo2]

1995 Porsche 911 GT2 (993)

Sweet. My Scud Race set will be complete soon.

[-Deadpool-]

IT HAS BEGUN...

Looking great, every day will be a mini Birthday for me haha.. Can't wait to take that GT2 for a spin.

[Jamesways]

Wait, what ? They've constantly added ALMS cars in car packs. They have a very good part of the field covered now thanks to DLC (I'm talking about individual cars, not duplicates obviously).

Yep, they've added some cars over some of the packs, but only having 4 out of 9 tracks (10 if you count St. Pete's last year) and advertising as "The Official Game" of the ALMS, they could utilize more of the license IMO.

But regardless, I'm very happy this Porsche is in. Any additions to their ALMS offerings or motorsport in general, I'm all for.

I foresee a lot of FIA GT3 paints a'coming from this.

[Seanspeed]

But didn't Dan say that Turn 10 were fighting right up until the last minute to get Porsches into the game, but EA wouldn't let them? This suggests: 1. The cars were already modelled and ready to be included on the disc on release day. 2. Any payments due to EA for the Porsche licence were already factored into the development costs of FM4. The delay gave MS/T10 an opportunity to farm some extra cash from DLC, and as businesses they would be mad to pass that opportunity up. I just think it would have been nice if the loyal fans didn't have to pay quite so much for content that we were reasonably expecting (right up until the last minute) to be already included in the game. I'd feel exactly the same if Amalfi Long or New York were released as paid-for DLC.

Depends on what they mean by 'last minute', obviously. For a developer, 'last minute' may have been January or March or June or who knows. These guys have deadlines to meet and it seems likely that when they say they fought til the last minute, they mean the last minute of decisions on deciding the content of the game.

In the end, we paid for a full game. If you want to argue that Forza Motorsport 4 lacked content, by all means, keep going this route of argument. But I'd say it was still a full-featured game that packs in more content than you get from 95% of games these days and that while not having Porsche was a disappointment, it sounds like pure entitlement to say we should be given stuff for free or a discount just cuz some of you still expected Porsche to be in the game, especially considering there was word quite early on that made it pretty obvious we probably wouldn't be seeing them.

As for Amalfi Long or New York being paid-for-DLC, the fact that they aren't tends to tell me that they weren't included for genuine reasons and not because they are out to jip us. There were probably legitimate issues with the lighting or time constraints or whatever that meant these tracks didn't get included. And if they did bring out these tracks later on as DLC, you wouldn't have anything but a conspiratorial hunch that they did it to take advantage of us and not because they had to spend time after the deadlined game was finished which requires extra time and effort that they need to be compensated for.

By all means, though, vote with your wallet if you're that unhappy. Just realize that the only thing you'll be telling them is that they shouldn't bother doing this sort of DLC at all.

[H3rTz DoNuT]

2010 Porsche 911 Sport Classic



2010 Porsche Boxster S

[Seanspeed]

2010 Porsche 911 Sport Classic

Ridiculously over-priced, but one of the best looking Porsches ever.

[saladine1]

But didn't Dan say that Turn 10 were fighting right up until the last minute to get Porsches into the game, but EA wouldn't let them? This suggests: 1. The cars were already modelled and ready to be included on the disc on release day. 2. Any payments due to EA for the Porsche licence were already factored into the development costs of FM4. The delay gave MS/T10 an opportunity to farm some extra cash from DLC, and as businesses they would be mad to pass that opportunity up. I just think it would have been nice if the loyal fans didn't have to pay quite so much for content that we were reasonably expecting (right up until the last minute) to be already included in the game. I'd feel exactly the same if Amalfi Long or New York were released as paid-for DLC.

Apparently, there's over 40 different Porsche folders included on the disc according to the modders. Now, I don't know if that includes any new cars but they are there nevertheless..

[Mascot]

Apparently, there's over 40 different Porsche folders included on the disc according to the modders. Now, I don't know if that includes any new cars but they are there nevertheless..

The plot thickens!
(j/k)

Any track folders on there..?

[Xanadu]

porsche pack should be free, fuck t10

[Gor@n]

Dat Sport Classic...fav car from FM3. Porsche pack should get me back into FM4.

[saladine1]

The plot thickens! (j/k) Any track folders on there..?

I don't think so otherwise they would've mentioned it.

[Mascot]

I have a query: I know that with normal car DLC packs, when you download the 'free' car you can see the rest of the pack (instead of a generic grey box) if other people are using them in multiplayer. Does doing this also populate the AI cars in normal career races? Assuming there's a free Porsche, would downloading it mean I will occasionally race against all the other Porsches in singleplayer?

[BADNED]

Apparently, there's over 40 different Porsche folders included on the disc according to the modders. Now, I don't know if that includes any new cars but they are there nevertheless..

Would like to know what they smoke!

[G Rom]

Pre-order cars were populating races when I only had one so I guess that it would be the same with Porsche.

BTW, I don't get this sudden backlash for the price. It has been known since they announced the thing two months ago...
Also, you can see it that way, if Porsche had been in the game from the start, we may have lost 30 other cars that we would have ended up buying as DLC. You also seem to forget that some DLC cars have been known to be completed for FM3 DLC but only ended up in FM4 DLC, should those cars have been free as well ?
Beside, it's very unlikely that Porsche would let their cars be released at a reduced price, don't think they would see it as a good thing for their brand.

So yeah, I do think the price is a bit high (1200 MSPoints/15$ would have been better) but I also think that Turn 10 are genuinely trying to do their best with all this licensing mess that EA created.

[Xanadu]

Pre-order cars were populating races when I only had one so I guess that it would be the same with Porsche. BTW, I don't get this sudden backlash for the price. It has been known since they announced the thing two months ago... Also, you can see it that way, if Porsche had been in the game from the start, we may have lost 30 other cars that we would have ended up buying as DLC. You also seem to forget that some DLC cars have been known to be completed for FM3 DLC but only ended up in FM4 DLC, should those cars have been free as well ? Beside, it's very unlikely that Porsche would let their cars be released at a reduced price, don't think they would see it as a good thing for their brand. So yeah, I do think the price is a bit high (1200 MSPoints/15$ would have been better) but I also think that Turn 10 are genuinely trying to do their best with all this licensing mess that EA created.

all DLC should be free, ask valve ;)

[Mascot]

You also seem to forget that some DLC cars have been known to be completed for FM3 DLC but only ended up in FM4 DLC, should those cars have been free as well ?

I never said the Porsche pack should be free, but you can buy the full game for £19 in the UK now. I think 1600 MS points is around £15-£16? To me it does seem a lot by comparison for 30 cars and some new events.

I dunno, maybe I'm still smarting from the 'value' I got from buying the FM4 LE and the last season pass.

[BADNED]

I never said the Porsche pack should be free, but you can buy the full game for £19 in the UK now. I think 1600 MS points is around £15-£16? To me it does seem a lot by comparison for 30 cars and some new events. I dunno, maybe I'm still smarting from the 'value' I got from buying the FM4 LE and the last season pass.

Well it offers more content and still costs less then three car packs!

[saladine1]

Well it offers more content and still costs less then three car packs!

Hey BADNED, are you really bad?
Thanks.

[SarBear]

porsche pack should be free, fuck t10

all DLC should be free, ask valve ;)

You never cease to remain the same dickhead even years later. Bro, with all due respect, shut the fuck up.

[Jamesways]

Hey BADNED, are you really bad? Thanks.

It's not just a clever name...

[-MikePriester-]

You never cease to remain the same dickhead even years later. Bro, with all due respect, shut the fuck up.

He's feeding you, just ignore him ;)

I've been on search for Forza Horizon tid bits about, but can't find anything worth anything, maybe I'm not looking hard enough. :(

[op_ivy]

He's feeding you, just ignore him ;) I've been on search for Forza Horizon tid bits about, but can't find anything worth anything, maybe I'm not looking hard enough. :(

leave it to the professionals, game journalists. its their job to put their nose to the grind stone, hit up sources, fact-check, and bring us inside scoops on things publishers dont want you to know.

[Shortt Sirket]

Dude who does mods created an anti-lag system for the Scooby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcMq2...eature=g-all-u

I would seriously kill to have options like this in the next Forza. I want more engine management stuff!

[saladine1]

Dude who does mods created an anti-lag system for the Scooby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcMq2...eature=g-all-u I would seriously kill to have options like this in the next Forza. I want more engine management stuff!

They will. I hope they will. I think they will. Won't they?

Imo, the anti lag isn't needed until Turn 10 actually simulates lag better then it currently does now. As it stands now,whacking a monster turbo on a 1.2 L vehicle doesn't generate the same affect of it's real life counterpart.
I mean, my old R31 Skyline had a massive turbo installed onto a 3.0 motor. That thing had monstrous lag. Nothing,nothing,nothing,boost..change gear...it was ridiculous.
And we are talking about a 3.0 here with heaps more torque than this pissy little 1.2 used in my example yet the FM4 equivalent drives off like it has an anti lag system already fitted!

[Shortt Sirket]

They will. I hope they will. I think they will. Won't they? Imo, the anti lag isn't needed until Turn 10 actually simulates lag better then it currently does now. As it stands now,whacking a monster turbo on a 1.2 L vehicle doesn't generate the same affect of it's real life counterpart. I mean, my old R31 Skyline had a massive turbo installed onto a 3.0 motor. That thing had monstrous lag. Nothing,nothing,nothing,boost..change gear...it was ridiculous. And we are talking about a 3.0 here with heaps more torque than this pissy little 1.2 used in my example yet the FM4 equivalent drives off like it has an anti lag system already fitted!

Yeah, I would love for us to be able to pick more realistic options with the turbos. I am tired of all this "Stage X" shit. Give me compressor sizes or at least the names of the turbos I am using. Let me mix and match compressors/turbines so I can get something like the Disco Potato. I want to see an actual difference between one massive honkin turbo and a twin turbo set up. I want to feel the crazy lag and then the rush of power when it finally spools up.

I really am tired of all the Stage 1, Stage 2, etc stuff. Give me real information. Give me REAL specs and car terminology. Stop dumbing it down.

[U n i o n 0015]

Anyone trying to do Landin's Community Bounty over at the official forums? Man, I am turrible at drifting. The best I can do--with a custom tune from the storefront--is 34K points or so. No Top Secret S15 for me. Waaaaaah.

[saladine1]

Actually, NVM.

[Shortt Sirket]

Actually, NVM.

What?? Why man? I was just about to respond! Seriously man! I had a bunch of shit I was going to post as ideas. What made you change your mind?

[zorbsie]

Has it been confirmed that the 20 new events aren't on a new track? Is it new race types on old tracks? Or just "80s Porsche Event" on old tracks. I've got the points card ready to redeem either way.

[BADNED]

1987 959

[Xanadu]

You never cease to remain the same dickhead even years later. Bro, with all due respect, shut the fuck up.

someones a lil mad ;)

sweet 959, its a shame the wheels are still inaccurate, still the same model since the first game sadly

[Mascot]

Has it been confirmed that the 20 new events aren't on a new track? Is it new race types on old tracks? Or just "80s Porsche Event" on old tracks. I've got the points card ready to redeem either way.

No new tracks. Not yet.

[Shortt Sirket]

someones a lil mad ;) sweet 959, its a shame the wheels are still inaccurate, still the same model since the first game sadly

Yeah, you are right. Those rims look WAAY off!

[Xanadu]

Yeah, you are right. Those rims look WAAY off!

they are, the hub caps have no depth to them, the wheels dont bend out enough and the colours off and i didnt mention the side bumper grill ;), its one of the better forza 1 models but still off

[Mascot]

Yeah, you are right. Those rims look WAAY off!

Never mind the rims - the FRONT of the 959 in the top picture looks like the BACK of the 959 in the bottom picture!!!111

Oh wait, hang on a sec...

[op_ivy]

same model from the first huh? welcome back to the forza thread

[Xanadu]

same model from the first huh? welcome back to the forza thread

this is new to you? of course there are much more polys but the actual design of the car is inaccurate, the most obvious case is the ferrari f40 which i have spoken about before

[G Rom]

The 959 seems to look much better. It was probably the worst looking Porsche in FM3 as it had polygonal bugs around the rear wheel arches inherited from the FM/FM2 days...
I think what gets me the most hyped for the Porsche pack is the sound. I can't wait to hear Nick's work on the famous flat 6 note or the amazing high pitched V10 note of the Carrera GT. :)

[Xanadu]

The 959 seems to look much better. It was probably the worst looking Porsche in FM3 as it had polygonal bugs around the rear wheel arches inherited from the FM/FM2 days... I think what gets me the most hyped for the Porsche pack is the sound. I can't wait to hear Nick's work on the famous flat 6 note or the amazing high pitched V10 note of the Carrera GT. :)

i do agree it looks better, the rear arches in forza 2 were terrible but this is just down to lower polys, the actual design of the car is still a bit off, pretty much every single forza 1 and 2 car is innacurate, cars introduced in 3 and 4 are next to perfect, the trouble is they dont update the old designs so you have models like the 458 which look perfect and the f40 which looks shit

[enzo_gt]

porsche pack should be free, fuck t10

I mean, I know it's the most expensive DLC car you'll ever buy but c'mon son.

[Xanadu]

I mean, I know it's the most expensive DLC car you'll ever buy but c'mon son.

i wont be buying it dad, i will not give in to greedy buggers!

[Shortt Sirket]

i wont be buying it dad, i will not give in to greedy buggers!

I am totally buying it! Can't wait to check out all the Porsches, but I am still holding out hope that the 917 is going to be in the pack.

[op_ivy]

havent bought a single piece of car DLC yet and a 20 dollar one certainly wont change that. i would, however, pay upwards of $15 for a single good track.

[U n i o n 0015]

I think we're so late into the game's cycle that we won't see any track DLC. :\

I would've gladly given up Spa if we got Bathurst in Forza 4.

[Xanadu]

havent bought a single piece of car DLC yet and a 20 dollar one certainly wont change that. i would, however, pay upwards of $15 for a single good track.

i'd probably pay a fiver for spa but thats about it, but you know they'd charge 20 dollars for it

[G Rom]

i'd probably pay a fiver for spa but thats about it, but you know they'd charge 20 dollars for it

Yeah because it's a well known fact that Motegi and Road America for FM2 and the Nürburgring GP for FM3 were priced 20 dollars each.... smh
Even following the FM4 price inflation, it would still be 560 MSPoints/7$ tops...

[Mascot]

I think we're so late into the game's cycle that we won't see any track DLC. : I would've gladly given up Spa if we got Bathurst in Forza 4.

I booted up Shift 2 the other day purely to put a few hours in on Bathurst. I was fucking exhausted afterwards, but wearing a massive shit-eating grin and a pounding heart, especially after the night races.

Our campaign to get Mt Panorama into Forza has almost passed into mythology now. We want it. Dan knows we want it. Yet not a peep from Turn 10 about it. I kind of think we'll never get it.

I can load up Shift 2 for Spa and Bathurst, and GT5 for Spa on its own. But I'd much rather play them in Forza.

[op_ivy]

Yeah because it's a well known fact that Motegi and Road America for FM2 and the Nürburgring GP for FM3 were priced 20 dollars each.... smh Even following the FM4 price inflation, it would still be 560 MSPoints/7$ tops...

i would jump all over that.

i guess we got a few from fm3 to fm4 as the games were on the same system, and it wasnt necesary to reinvent thoe fm3 dlc tracks completely when putting them into fm4. now though, with fm5 hitting next gen, it would seem a lot of work would obviously go into making the track for fm4, then, aside from the tracks "data" and "resource materials" they'd have to start almost from scratch to put it into fm5. so, in this sense, they arent getting the band for the buck for track DLC that they did with the last step - nevermind the fact that they said it wasnt all that attractive to consumers (hello, add it into career next-time dummies!)