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Fredrik
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(10-16-2011, 08:03 AM)
I just noticed on the specs sheet and pics of the back side of the upcoming Wii U that they neither mention or show an optical audio connector or any other audio out connector.

They NEED to fix this.

Otherwise everyone without HDMI connector on their surround sound reciever won't get digital audio at all with Wii U. On 360 and PS3 they'll get beautiful DTS and Dolby Digital 7.1 sound etc. On Wii U they'll get analog stereo sound. Most people will probably just connect the HDMI in the TV and go with the TV sound.

I think this is unacceptable. They can't release a HD console in 2012 without some kind of digital audio connector except through HDMI. We can't all buy new sound recievers just to get Wii U to sound good.

Nintendo. FIX THIS!

MOD EDIT: Some additional information.

Originally Posted by UltimateIke

This is as close to how things are as I can tell. The only thing I have left to test is to see if setting the Wii U to Stereo and playing a game with an IN-GAME OPTION for surround will allow for ProLogic II output. I am certain that all games using the original Wii's main menu surround setting DO NOT output ProLogic II.


Wii U Audio Settings


Wii U Mode

HDMI - 1.0 channel (Mono), 2.0 channel (Stereo), or 5.1* channel (Surround) LPCM
*Compressed digital formats (Dolby Digital, DTS, etc.) are not supported.

Analog - 1.0 channel (Mono) or 2.0* channel (Stereo)
*No option for a surround mix (ProLogic II, etc.).

AUDIO AND VIDEO MUST COME FROM THE SAME SOURCE. You can not use HDMI video combined with Analog audio.



Wii Mode (Uses the same setting chosen from the Wii U menu)

HDMI - 1.0 channel (Mono), 2.0 channel (Stereo), or 5.1* channel (Surround) LPCM
*All Wii games are encoded with two channels of audio. The 5.1 option will still only send audio to two channels, and will ignore surround audio cues from games with ProLogic II.

Analog - 1.0 channel (Mono) or 2.0* channel (Stereo)
*The original Wii had an option in the main menu for Surround. This allowed for playback of ProLogic II encoded audio from games. The Wii U no longer allows this option to be selected from the Wii mode's main menu.

Analog audio and HDMI video can be used simultaneously. I haven't tested this, just read it up above.

Last edited by EatChildren; 11-22-2012 at 12:31 AM.
BishopLamont
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(10-16-2011, 08:05 AM)
HD Mandatory, Nintendo's way of making up for the Wii.
ape2man
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(10-16-2011, 08:05 AM)
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that is just stupid. optical is a must
Amon37
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(10-16-2011, 08:06 AM)
This is unacceptable to be using a receiver in 2012 without hdmi inputs
JaseC
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(10-16-2011, 08:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by ape2man

that is just stupid. optical is a must

"Stupid" and "Nintendo" seem to be synonymous these days.
AbsoluteZero
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(10-16-2011, 08:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Fredrik

I just noticed on the specs sheet and pics of the back side of the upcoming Wii U that they neither mention or show an optical audio connector or any other audio out connector.

They NEED to fix this.

Otherwise everyone without HDMI connector on their surround sound reciever won't get digital audio at all with Wii U. On 360 and PS3 they'll get beautiful DTS and Dolby Digital 7.1 sound etc. On Wii U they'll get analog stereo sound. Most people will probably just connect the HDMI in the TV and go with the TV sound.

I think this is unacceptable. They can't release a HD console in 2012 without some kind of digital audio connector except through HDMI. We can't all buy new sound recievers just to get Wii U to sound good.

Nintendo. FIX THIS!

Don't freak, man, it'll be on the Wii U 2.
Smiles and Cries
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here's a worthy cause.
(10-16-2011, 08:09 AM)
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man I thought the sky was falling on the WiiU for a second there

don't scare me like that
Instro
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(10-16-2011, 08:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Fredrik

I just noticed on the specs sheet and pics of the back side of the upcoming Wii U that they neither mention or show an optical audio connector or any other audio out connector.

They NEED to fix this.

Otherwise everyone without HDMI connector on their surround sound reciever won't get digital audio at all with Wii U. On 360 and PS3 they'll get beautiful DTS and Dolby Digital 7.1 sound etc. On Wii U they'll get analog stereo sound. Most people will probably just connect the HDMI in the TV and go with the TV sound.

I think this is unacceptable. They can't release a HD console in 2012 without some kind of digital audio connector except through HDMI. We can't all buy new sound recievers just to get Wii U to sound good.

Nintendo. FIX THIS!

Don't most receivers from the last 4-5 years have a HDMI connector...?
VOOK
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(10-16-2011, 08:11 AM)
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$10 it'll have something like this. (but with HDMI).
Why would you do that?
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(10-16-2011, 08:12 AM)
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Since the hardware is very likely not final (I mean, they barely showed off the console, and I'm pretty sure they expressed the tablet wasn't final), maybe they'll add it in.

That said, I personally don't care too much, as my TV has an Optical Out on it (but I think it introduces some audio lag)...
Last edited by Why would you do that?; 10-16-2011 at 08:15 AM.
Instro
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(10-16-2011, 08:12 AM)
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Originally Posted by VOOK



$10 it'll have something like this. (but with HDMI).

I wouldn't doubt it.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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(10-16-2011, 08:13 AM)
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I doubt Wii U will even look like what they showed at E3
JordanLMiller
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(10-16-2011, 08:14 AM)
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I'll just wait for the redesign.

this was supposed to be a joke
Last edited by JordanLMiller; 10-16-2011 at 08:25 AM.
Cipherr
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(10-16-2011, 08:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mihael Mello Keehl

I doubt Wii U will even look like what they showed at E3


Yeah man... I mean, I don't even think the specs and chassis is finalized yet. This might be a tad bit premature.
TruePrime
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(10-16-2011, 08:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by JordanLMiller

I'll just wait for the redesign.

Might be a bad idea, Nintendo's last two consoles looked the same and lost features.
ArachosiA 78
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(10-16-2011, 08:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by Amon37

This is unacceptable to be using a receiver in 2012 without hdmi inputs

I bought my receiver just before HDMI inputs were being added to them. Sorry, but it's still an awesome receiver and I don't feel like spending half a month's pay on a new one already.
Why would you do that?
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(10-16-2011, 08:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by TruePrime

Might be a bad idea, Nintendo's last two consoles looked the same and lost features.

I'm pretty sure all of Nintendo's console redesigns have lost features, even the NES and SNES.
TruePrime
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(10-16-2011, 08:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by Why would you do that?

I'm pretty sure all of Nintendo's console redesigns have lost features, even the NES and SNES.

Yes but at least the NES and SNES looked different.

Still can't help but laugh after how everyone got hyped on to see the "new" Wii.
gutabo
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(10-16-2011, 08:19 AM)
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Excuse me, where can I find the Wii U specs sheet? TIA!
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(10-16-2011, 08:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by Fredrik

Otherwise everyone without HDMI connector on their surround sound reciever won't get digital audio at all with Wii U. On 360 and PS3 they'll get beautiful DTS and Dolby Digital 7.1 sound etc. On Wii U they'll get analog stereo sound. Most people will probably just connect the HDMI in the TV and go with the TV sound.

Only PS3 supports DTS and DD 7.1 afaik, 360 is limited to DD 5.1. But yeah, I agree with you, Optical out is a must.
skullwolfgp
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(10-16-2011, 08:19 AM)
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It's lame that there's no optical out, but you can always get this:
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/1080p-4...-240v-ac-16553
Medalion
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(10-16-2011, 08:20 AM)
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Dolby Pro Logic II for life suckers
The Faceless Master
(10-16-2011, 08:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by JordanLMiller

I'll just wait for the redesign.

the redesign will probably drop all the ports except HDMI
walking fiend
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(10-16-2011, 08:23 AM)
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what's that anyway?!!
Ghost_Protocol
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(10-16-2011, 08:28 AM)
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People are surprised with this? There's no way in hell Nintendo's implementing that.
Yagharek
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(10-16-2011, 08:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by Fredrik

We can't all buy new sound recievers just to get Wii U to sound good.

Why would they support a standard that is over 10 years old? Move with the times man!
Medalion
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(10-16-2011, 08:31 AM)
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Your spec sheet is probably out of date by now

You'd be lucky to even have audio travelling through HDMI period, they probably want you to go back to regular analog audio again to cut down on costs for the console
markot
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(10-16-2011, 08:32 AM)
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>.< ive never even seen something that uses the optical audio thingy... Mabye an old minidisc player...
Johnny
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(10-16-2011, 08:34 AM)
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Don't most TVs have optical audio out?
Hobbestetrician
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(10-16-2011, 08:36 AM)
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I honestly have no idea what this is or if any other console has it either.
ape2man
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(10-16-2011, 08:38 AM)
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Originally Posted by skullwolfgp

It's lame that there's no optical out, but you can always get this:
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/1080p-4...-240v-ac-16553

that is awesome. so i can switch between devices... thx i have been searching for this for a long time.

by the way... thats pretty expensive for dealExtreme
Medalion
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(10-16-2011, 08:38 AM)
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Originally Posted by JimWood27

I honestly have no idea what this is or if any other console has it either.

PS3 it is built-in port

Xbox 360 have to get that separate dongle shown elsewhere in this thread
Woo-Fu
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(10-16-2011, 08:39 AM)
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Nintendo builds a console with duct tape and last gen hardware: People scream.
Nintendo builds a console with the latest "standard": People scream.

The purists would want digital coax, not toslink, anyhow. ;)
markot
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(10-16-2011, 08:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by JimWood27

I honestly have no idea what this is or if any other console has it either.

This one, I remember the PS2 had one.
BocoDragon
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(10-16-2011, 08:39 AM)
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HDMI supports digital audio. That's enough.

I have an older receiver with only optical/coaxial digital inputs too... and while it would be nice if Nintendo supported them, I think those days are past. I think it's fair to support HDMI-only in 2012.
The Faceless Master
(10-16-2011, 08:41 AM)
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Originally Posted by Medalion

PS3 it is built-in port

Xbox 360 have to get that separate dongle shown elsewhere in this thread

Xbox 360 S has it built in now too!
Medalion
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(10-16-2011, 08:41 AM)
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Digital coaxial would be better than TOSLINK cuz you could use an analog video cable to substitute for the same cable essentially
Fredrik
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(10-16-2011, 08:42 AM)

Originally Posted by Instro

Don't most receivers from the last 4-5 years have a HDMI connector...?

Probably, but most people don't change their recievers every 4-5 years. Many did when digital audio came along but there hasn't been any revolutionary tech since then so unless you're a hifi nerd you're probably still using your trusty old non-HDMI DTS/DD/5.1 capable reciever, just like me. And that's why basically every other digital audio capable unit still have optical or coax audio connectors too. But apparently Wii U don't.
walking fiend
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(10-16-2011, 08:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by markot

This one, I remember the PS2 had one.

does more than 1 in 100 of people use that?! if the answer is no, Nintendo will NEVER even bother with answering why they didn't include that.
Medalion
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(10-16-2011, 08:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by Fredrik

Probably, but most people don't change their recievers every 4-5 years. Many did when digital audio came along but there hasn't been any revolutionary tech since then so unless you're a hifi nerd you're probably still using your trusty old non-HDMI DTS/DD/5.1 capable reciever, just like me. And that's why basically every other digital audio capable unit still have optical or coax audio connectors too. But apparently Wii U don't.

We don't know that for sure, a lot could have changed since that E3 unveiling of a work still in progress.
Ghost_Protocol
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(10-16-2011, 08:44 AM)
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Originally Posted by walking fiend

does more than 1 in 100 of people use that?! if the answer is no, Nintendo will NEVER even bother with answering why they didn't include that.

Hell no. And less than 1% of gamecube owners used the component video output, which is why they discontinued it in the later models.
Emitan
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(10-16-2011, 08:45 AM)
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it doesnt even have ethernet dude

who cares about audio

it doesnt have ETHERNET
Medalion
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(10-16-2011, 08:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by Billychu

it doesnt even have ethernet dude

who cares about audio

it doesnt have ETHERNET

Why would it? It uses WI-FI like the Wii did, and maybe a separate accessory to use Ethernet later to again, cut down on costs
The Faceless Master
(10-16-2011, 08:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by Billychu

it doesnt even have ethernet dude

who cares about audio

it doesnt have ETHERNET

that boat sailed with the Wii

i still remember my adventure to THREE GAMESTOPS one evening in Brooklyn trying to get a damn USB -> Ethernet adapter for Wii.
BocoDragon
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(10-16-2011, 08:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by walking fiend

does more than 1 in 100 of people use that?! if the answer is no, Nintendo will NEVER even bother with answering why they didn't include that.

Well, everyone with a home theater system between 1997 and 2006 (roughly) used that.

It WAS a big omission on the Cube and the Wii.

But now that HDMI audio receivers have been around for a few years, I don't consider it a must-have connector port.
FyreWulff
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(10-16-2011, 08:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by walking fiend

does more than 1 in 100 of people use that?! if the answer is no, Nintendo will NEVER even bother with answering why they didn't include that.

Microsoft didn't include it either. Microsoft and Sony also no longer include HD cabling as of about a year ago, they only ship composite in the box.

Everyone's moving on to HDMI.

As a personal anecdote, I never really saw optical audio catch on around here, but about 80% of the people with HD sets and surround sound are using HDMI. One cable to rule them all.
Woo-Fu
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(10-16-2011, 08:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by Medalion

Digital coaxial would be better than TOSLINK cuz you could use an analog video cable to substitute for the same cable essentially

A differing opinion would be that toslink is better because it electrically isolates the two components which means no ground loop hums.

A 3rd opinion would say that if you have a ground loop hum you should fix your house wiring so you could use digital coax and not have to worry about the jitter from optical.

A 4th opinion would say that jitter is only potentially an issue with PCM. DD and DTS have their own timing and there is enough wiggle room in there that jitter doesn't affect either of them.

A 5th opinio... screw it, just use HDMI.
ape2man
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(10-16-2011, 08:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by Billychu

it doesnt even have ethernet dude

who cares about audio

it doesnt have ETHERNET

HA :D... WHAT!!!11!!!!!

Wait Wii only has wifi? But wifi lags as hell, and is bad for your health
MisterAnderson
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(10-16-2011, 08:48 AM)
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Lol Nintendo.
The Faceless Master
(10-16-2011, 08:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by FyreWulff

Microsoft didn't include it either. Microsoft and Sony also no longer include HD cabling as of about a year ago, they only ship composite in the box.

Everyone's moving on to HDMI.

As a personal anecdote, I never really saw optical audio catch on around here, but about 80% of the people with HD sets and surround sound are using HDMI. One cable to rule them all.

it comes on every new Xbox 360 console currently sold in stores.

yes, Microsoft has been steadily ADDING ports!

they're up to 5 USB, AV-Multi, Toslink, Ethernet, Kinect and HDMI after starting with just 3 USB, AV-Multi and Ethernet.

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