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Wheeljack539 · (11-13-2011, 03:41 AM)

Good episode, but I am kinda disappointed in how they handled the scene with Kiritsugu's battle plan before Caster showed up. In the novel, Iri see's for the first time her husband's Magus Killer personality, to which the Einzbern's hired him for, and it caught her completely off guard, shaking her a bit, wondering about her husband's identity. This does make their scene together outside much stronger, as Iri see's his breakdown and realizes that he truly is no longer the man he used to be, that its more of a mask now than it was then.

From what I remember, the scene with Father Kotomine suspending the Grail War to go after Caster and his master happens after the scene with Rider getting his mail order package.

Also very minor nitpick in the tech being used such as the laptops being more modern than the way they used to look back in 1994.

Originally Posted by Grzi:

Currently rushing through Fate Stay Night just so I can watch this.
Can't wait, really, it looks so good.

You are technically spoiling yourself, as Fate Zero is a prequel to that series/visual novel and the wars consequences are being felt in the 5th Grail War.

Quote:

I don't know much about FSN at all except the two episodes I watched way back really, really sucked and I voided everything else related to it for a long time! ^^

IMO you really did yourself a disservice duck, it was a good series that did get me into Typemoon, and the last battle's climax was one where I did find myself cheering.

To give you and Grzi a bit of background, the anime combines elements of the three routes from the VN, Fate, Unlimited Bladeworks, and Heaven's Feel, though the overall story background is the Fate route(though that route is my sentimental favorite, most fans will tell you Fate is the weakest of the three routes, as its main purpose was to expose you and get you to know the characters before going into the bigger stuff in Unlimited Bladeworks and Heaven's Feel and the changes Shirou goes through in those, as he and his worldview alters more with each route). Studio DEEN did drop the ball on more than a few things (the hardcore FSN fans will tell you EVERYTHING was bad, but...::shrugs::) but it was still a good story all on its own, however I do agree that the VN are much better.

duckroll · (11-13-2011, 07:00 AM)

Originally Posted by Wheeljack539:

IMO you really did yourself a disservice duck, it was a good series that did get me into Typemoon, and the last battle's climax was one where I did find myself cheering.

No. Stop. Stop right now. Please. I don't want to know any background about Type-Moon shit. I don't care. I don't want this thread to be about any other Type-Moon crap other than Fate/Zero. If you people insist on wanting to discuss Type-Moon stuff outside of Fate/Zero, I will leave the thread and desubscribe it. I am only interested in watching Fate/Zero because I like the characters and the story in it. I've hated every other Type-Moon written product I've seen, and I hate all their characters. I'm sorry but if you cannot respect that, then maybe I'll just excuse myself from this thread from now on.

Clevinger · (11-13-2011, 07:08 AM)

Originally Posted by duckroll:

If you people insist on wanting to discuss Type-Moon stuff outside of Fate/Zero, I will leave the thread and desubscribe it.

Originally Posted by duckroll:

I'm sorry but if you cannot respect that, then maybe I'll just excuse myself from this thread from now on.

Oh, no!

Geneijin · (11-13-2011, 08:09 AM)

Originally Posted by Wheeljack539:

Studio DEEN did drop the ball on more than a few things (the hardcore FSN fans will tell you EVERYTHING was bad, but...::shrugs::) but it was still a good story all on its own, however I do agree that the VN are much better.

He didn't miss nothing by skipping the F/SN anime.

Nice ideas but a bad show overall.

Instro · (11-13-2011, 08:10 AM)

Originally Posted by duckroll:

No. Stop. Stop right now. Please. I don't want to know any background about Type-Moon shit. I don't care. I don't want this thread to be about any other Type-Moon crap other than Fate/Zero. If you people insist on wanting to discuss Type-Moon stuff outside of Fate/Zero, I will leave the thread and desubscribe it. I am only interested in watching Fate/Zero because I like the characters and the story in it. I've hated every other Type-Moon written product I've seen, and I hate all their characters. I'm sorry but if you cannot respect that, then maybe I'll just excuse myself from this thread from now on.

:( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYsKDaQIX54

Reknoc · (11-13-2011, 08:23 AM)

Originally Posted by Instro:

:( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYsKDaQIX54

Or for more my era:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSywtiAirKE

Dedication Through Light · (11-13-2011, 02:10 PM)

Episode 7

Waver and Rider are the best. I love how he gets so worked up, though in the end is always willing to do for Rider. That is how I imagine ones relationship with their servant should be. However I greatly dislike how they treat Saber. Kiritsugu seems to not even care about her and ignores all but Maiya at times, and even worst, only irisviel cares about Saber. I will be mad if their downfall is because of Kiritsugu's incompetence. Though his fight with the mage was pretty cool. I was hoping Waver would defeat the mage though, which doesnt seem likely based on the title for the next episode, if a mage will truly be killed.

I hope Ryuunosuke gets more screentime. ..and the conditions for losing in this war need to spelled out, is it elimination if master is killed?

KO Traveling Hobo · (11-16-2011, 01:14 AM)

Am I alone in being kinda okay with the Caster/Ryu censorship? I mean, the pillar-shots felt really awkward(even before I knew they were censoring something), but at the same time I think that the show benefited from not shoving child-torture/mutilation in the viewer's face.

I feel like the show is walking a very narrow line between generic anime and "SO DARK AND EDGY, MAN," and it'll lose a lot of the magic if it strays too far in either direction.

A good example was Caster's introductory scene. They didn't show anything, but it was still both chilling and brutal.

duckroll · (11-16-2011, 01:18 AM)

Originally Posted by KO Traveling Hobo:

Am I alone in being kinda okay with the Caster/Ryu censorship? I mean, the pillar-shots felt really awkward(even before I knew they were censoring something), but at the same time I think that the show benefited from not shoving child-torture/mutilation in the viewer's face.

I feel like the show is walking a very narrow line between generic anime and "SO DARK AND EDGY, MAN," and it'll lose a lot of the magic if it strays too far in either direction.

A good example was Caster's introductory scene. They didn't show anything, but it was still both chilling and brutal.

Even when uncensored on Blu-ray, I do not expect that the show will be particularly gratuitous. The direction is relatively classy in general, so there's no reason they'll be extremely gross for no reason. Will there be more visual gore? Yes, for sure. But the main issue of censorship is not so much censoring pure violence, but also not specifically depicting the harm of minors. The TV station doesn't want to get into trouble, so they're cutting down on what they already have.

Cwarrior · (11-16-2011, 05:32 AM)

Fate Zero 7

Absolutely fab episode can't wait for next week

-Rider & waver are a great duo, love
-Really well done intenese action scene

Am going to have to rewatch this show once the uncut version comes out.

HisshouBuraiKen · (11-16-2011, 06:02 PM)

The lack of angsty child/teenage Masters makes F/Z so much better, doesn't it? And no, Waver doesn't count, he's awesome and finally gowing a spine.

Loved the last scene in 7 Kayneth! RATATATATATATATA, can't wait for 8.

Dedication Through Light · (11-16-2011, 09:50 PM)

Originally Posted by HisshouBuraiKen:

The lack of angsty child/teenage Masters makes F/Z so much better, doesn't it? And no, Waver doesn't count, he's awesome and finally gowing a spine.

Loved the last scene in 7 Kayneth! RATATATATATATATA, can't wait for 8.

I was afraid the cast would be a bit too aged for me to enjoy it but it has really surprised me to have found some favorites among them and their interactions, I guess the benefit is since they are older the conversations between character feel more enriched and deeper.

Dedication Through Light · (11-19-2011, 10:52 PM)

Episode 8

That was hot. I think Irisviel is definitely up there now as one of my favorite characters in this first half of the anime. Sure she ended up being defeated but that falcon bird was hot and she even bound Kirie The first half of the episode was cool. Kayneth v Kiritsugu will remain a memorable part of the series.

kayos90 · (11-20-2011, 07:17 AM)

Kiritsugu was awesome in this episode. I'm still very confused on his ability though.

InsaneZero · (11-21-2011, 01:40 AM)

Originally Posted by kayos90:

Kiritsugu was awesome in this episode. I'm still very confused on his ability though.

Basically, it tears down the opponent's Magic Circuits, then connects it back together incorrectly so that it can't be repaired. The more mana the opponent uses against the bullet, the further the damage goes.

TheVampire · (11-21-2011, 01:52 AM)

When she bound that guy to the tree why didnt the other girl shoot him?

I was there yelling at the tv "WHAT ARE YOU DOING ATTACK HIM NOW!!!"

ElectricThunder · (11-21-2011, 02:33 AM)

Originally Posted by TheVampire:

When she bound that guy to the tree why didnt the other girl shoot him?

I was there yelling at the tv "WHAT ARE YOU DOING ATTACK HIM NOW!!!"

Said gal was already pretty messed up, and probably shocked that said dude had just been handled, however temporarily, by Irisviel.

Loved the episode though, even if I was hoping Rider would pop out and start randomly running over Cthuluoids like driving around a freaking racetrack.

And just like every other episode, maybe even moreso, I can't help but wonder what the uncensored cut of this ep will contain considering this one was fairly graphic compared to prior.

duckroll · (11-21-2011, 02:39 AM)

Originally Posted by TheVampire:

When she bound that guy to the tree why didnt the other girl shoot him?

I was there yelling at the tv "WHAT ARE YOU DOING ATTACK HIM NOW!!!"

Same reason why Kiritsugu meticulously planned out how to surprise Kayneth last week, but decided to shout out his name before he even attacked. Lol.

Dedication Through Light · (11-26-2011, 08:46 PM)

For episode 9, I must say that this anime continues to be one where little to no action still makes for an interesting and watchable show.

Rider and Waver continue to make the show utterly worthwhile. I did think it odd that they were the only ones actually focused on taking down Caster, who, by the way, is never around Ryuunusuke apparently? Is he going to forever be hidden behind the scenes? This is my favorite team as I love their bond and one must admit, it would be great if Waver rose to the occasion and enhances his mage skills to actually continue to survive in this.

Is a Kayneth, Sola-Ui, Lancer love complex forming? Hopefully Lancer has learned from his past with getting involved in a relationship with a married woman and will avoid any action with Sola-Ui. Kayneth is just uninteresting and made me wonder how he got involved with Sola-Ui who seems like she has ulterior motives not in line with her husband. It seemed that she lied to Lancer’s face about what she wants to with the Holy Grail though, but I think she is actually falling for Lancer…

duckroll · (11-26-2011, 11:51 PM)

Man, ep9 is my favorite episode yet. I really like the show when it focuses on the character drama, and this episode really takes advantage to that much more effectively than ever before. Oh and the art was GREAT this week too. Mmmmmm.

Dedication Through Light · (12-03-2011, 05:17 PM)

Decent episode 10. They make it easy to be disappointed to be a Ryuunosuke fan. Really, just standing there doing nothing as Rin fights back? Seriously. .

The best song in the OST was during the climax of this episode though.

Swag · (12-07-2011, 01:53 AM)

Episode 10 was kinda boring, actually it was really boring. If not for the last 4 minutes would probably rate it the worst so far.

Song during the climax was pretty good though.

Wheeljack539 · (12-07-2011, 02:08 AM)

Originally Posted by Sebulon3k:

Episode 10 was kinda boring, actually it was really boring. If not for the last 4 minutes would probably rate it the worst so far.

Song during the climax was pretty good though.

The parts with Rin in the alleyway, being saved by Kariya and picked up by Aoi (with Aoi's conversation with Kariya) were pretty much canon to the novel. She did go out, and she did go looking for Kotone, however all the stuff at the beginning with her classmates and the end with that was anime only.

Also, sadly, Rin never found Kotone in the novel nor encountered Ryuunosuke.

Dedication Through Light · (12-07-2011, 02:15 AM)

Originally Posted by Wheeljack539:

The parts with Rin in the alleyway, being saved by Kariya and picked up by Aoi (with Aoi's conversation with Kariya) were pretty much canon to the novel. She did go out, and she did go looking for Kotone, however all the stuff at the beginning with her classmates and the end with that was anime only.

Also, sadly, Rin never found Kotone in the novel nor encountered Ryuunosuke.

I couldnt even tell it was filler. It was still pretty decent though.

duckroll · (12-07-2011, 07:26 AM)

Ugh. Can we please stop talking about the novels here. Ffff.

Wheeljack539 · (12-07-2011, 07:28 AM)

Originally Posted by duckroll:

Ugh. Can we please stop talking about the novels here. Ffff.

I'm referring to the Fate/Zero novels, which this series is based off of.

It is not the Fate/Stay Night visual novel.

duckroll · (12-07-2011, 07:30 AM)

Originally Posted by Wheeljack539:

I'm referring to the Fate/Zero novels, which this series is based off of.

It is not the Fate/Stay Night visual novel.

I don't want to know anything! I don't care! I ignore all source material because everything takes away from the perfection of the anime! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Edit: It's like how people who never read A Song of Ice and Fire don't want to discuss the novels in the Game of Thrones HBO threads. :P

Cwarrior · (12-08-2011, 06:19 PM)

Fate zero 10

Goofy and contrived, the scene with twin tails girl and chid killer guy was so stupid.

Well not ep1 bad but it felt like dumb filler making it the 2nd worst fate/zero episode.

kayos90 · (12-11-2011, 12:08 AM)

Episode 11
Oh man, that speech from Rider. Wow.

duckroll · (12-11-2011, 12:10 AM)

Rider rocks. He is truly the king of kings.

Dedication Through Light · (12-11-2011, 03:32 AM)

Im going to assume that all the real action will just take place in the Spring half of the show. I liked how the discussion was handled, though I wish the masters would actually do it too.

Waver has had no interaction with no one else.

Basileus777 · (12-11-2011, 03:36 AM)

Originally Posted by Dedication Through Light:

Im going to assume that all the real action will just take place in the Spring half of the show.

You can't kill off too many characters too early, especially when master/servants can't just be replaced by different characters. And assassin did get offed this week.

Wheeljack539 · 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by duckroll:

Rider rocks. He is truly the king of kings.

Don't let Gilgamesh hear you say that.

Originally Posted by Dedication Through Light:

Im going to assume that all the real action will just take place in the Spring half of the show. I liked how the discussion was handled, though I wish the masters would actually do it too.

And how!

Not to mention two certain Masters that have been alluded to be on a collision course that I'm hoping will be done well.

Dedication Through Light · (12-18-2011, 04:09 PM)

Nothing much to say for episode 12 as it was once again just an intriguing discussion. I can only hope that the point of a break this winter season is that every episode in the second half of this series will be straight up fighting.

Confused how Kirei got a seal

zazrx · (12-19-2011, 03:51 PM)

Originally Posted by duckroll:

Rider rocks. He is truly the king of kings.

Fuck yeah. I just watched that episode and he is easily the best character.

duckroll · (12-22-2011, 12:44 PM)

Sup guys? ONE MORE EPISODE TO GO THIS SEASON! I hope they go out with a BANG. The screens for Rider and Caster look REALLY detailed. FUCK YEAH!

Preview images:

darkside31337 · (12-22-2011, 01:52 PM)

Damn Waver is so cute.

Gonna cry after Saturday. Split cour is just so evil, this season is obviously going to end on some cliffhanger which will make me bash my head against a wall for a couple months.

Dedication Through Light · (12-22-2011, 02:40 PM)

Ryuunosuke finally may get screentime again, please dont be useless this time. Waver, lol.

SonicX_Zero · (12-22-2011, 02:45 PM)

So like I hope Ryu does something this time... I mean like ep. 10. Come on yeessh. =/

duckroll · (12-23-2011, 02:38 AM)

Hmmmmm... the preview pics on the official site are different this time.

PataHikari · (12-23-2011, 02:59 AM)

Originally Posted by duckroll:

No. Stop. Stop right now. Please. I don't want to know any background about Type-Moon shit. I don't care. I don't want this thread to be about any other Type-Moon crap other than Fate/Zero. If you people insist on wanting to discuss Type-Moon stuff outside of Fate/Zero, I will leave the thread and desubscribe it. I am only interested in watching Fate/Zero because I like the characters and the story in it. I've hated every other Type-Moon written product I've seen, and I hate all their characters. I'm sorry but if you cannot respect that, then maybe I'll just excuse myself from this thread from now on.

Oh no whatever will we do without your masterful posts.

Don't forget to shut the door on your way out.

InsaneZero · (12-23-2011, 06:00 AM)

This is going to be the first BD set that I buy!

March is so far away, but it's definitely worth it.

Dedication Through Light · (12-23-2011, 03:25 PM)

So many things I dont understand about the set, why so many Blu-Ray discs for 13 episodes (like 5 discs)? Why is the set not in HD sound quality?

Grzi · (12-24-2011, 03:43 PM)

Oh, I marathoned this show this past week, now I'm just waiting on the final episode of the season.
It's really a marvelous series, a 10/10 for sure, waiting on season 2 is going to be a bitch.

duckroll · (12-24-2011, 04:09 PM)

No more Fate/Zero until April. :(

Not a particular good set of episodes to end a "season" on either. Ep12-13 were basically just build up episodes which lead to the next major action set piece. They should have ended it at ep11 for the season imo. The pacing is going to seem really weird having to wait over 3 months, and suddenly getting a huge action episode opening the next season. Although, I guess there's a chance that they probably plan on doing a quick re-run of the entire season some time in March.

Dedication Through Light · (12-24-2011, 04:58 PM)

Darn, Im going to miss hearing Oath Sign for awhile. I wonder if they will use a different opening and ending for the next set or keep the same.

SonicX_Zero · (12-24-2011, 05:40 PM)

Bah!? damn cliffhanger ending, the wait for season is going to very painful. <_< Ending with foreplay so they can start season 2 with some big bang action.

jump_button · (12-24-2011, 06:01 PM)

well we know S2 going to start of better then the boring one this started with but still hate endings like that

Dedication Through Light · (12-24-2011, 06:07 PM)

Episode 13

Well I liked it, then again when your two favorite masters are there its hard to not like the episode. I enjoyed how they made up for all the lost time with Ryuunosuke and developed Waver and Rider.

Terrible cliffhanger though, Fate Zero 2nd cant come fast enough.

Relix · (01-10-2012, 02:55 AM)

Just watched this all the way to Ep 13...

Hot damn this shit was good :D! The last 2 episodes felt kinda slow though the ending for 13th was awesome. Tohsaka episode was also... shitty. Not needed at all.

Very pumped for the next season. First truly decent anime in a LONG while