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Gaborn
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(10-31-2011, 06:39 PM)
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(RNS) In his new book, "God, No!" atheist magician Penn Jillette tells how he was challenged by conservative radio host Glenn Beck to come up with an atheist's version of The Ten Commandments.

"I wanted to see how many of the ideas that many people think are handed down from (G)od really make sense to someone who says, 'I don't know.'"
Here's his list:


1. The highest ideals are human intelligence, creativity and love. Respect these above all.

2. Do not put things or even ideas above other human beings. (Let's scream at each other about Kindle versus iPad, solar versus nuclear, Republican versus Libertarian, Garth Brooks versus Sun Ra— but when your house is on fire, I'll be there to help.)

3. Say what you mean, even when talking to yourself. (What used to be an oath to (G)od is now quite simply respecting yourself.)

4. Put aside some time to rest and think. (If you're religious, that might be the Sabbath; if you're a Vegas magician, that'll be the day with the lowest grosses.)

5. Be there for your family. Love your parents, your partner, and your children. (Love is deeper than honor, and parents matter, but so do spouse and children.)

6. Respect and protect all human life. (Many believe that "Thou shalt not kill" only refers to people in the same tribe. I say it's all human life.)

7. Keep your promises. (If you can't be sexually exclusive to your spouse, don't make that deal.)

8. Don't steal. (This includes magic tricks and jokes — you know who you are!)

9. Don't lie. (You know, unless you're doing magic tricks and it's part of your job. Does that make it OK for politicians, too?)

10. Don't waste too much time wishing, hoping, and being envious; it'll make you bugnutty.

Story Here
ReBurn
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(10-31-2011, 06:41 PM)
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How long before someone wants this posted in a courtroom?
Jenga
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(10-31-2011, 06:41 PM)
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i didn't know the creator of gillete razors is an atheist

guess i have to use alternative christian razors
MrHicks
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(10-31-2011, 06:42 PM)
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whos pen jilette
Spokker
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(10-31-2011, 06:42 PM)
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Adam Corolla is the best atheist in that he doesn't give a shit about being an atheist. That's the kind of atheist I can roll with.

Penn Jillette is far too militant.
CiSTM
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(10-31-2011, 06:43 PM)
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Kill the heretic! Dawkins commandments are the truth.

(1) Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you.

(2) In all things, strive to cause no harm.

(3) Treat your fellow human beings, your fellow living things, and the world in general with love, honesty, faithfulness and respect.

(4) Do not overlook evil or shrink from administering justice, but always be ready to forgive wrongdoing freely admitted and honestly regretted.

(5) Live life with a sense of joy and wonder.

(6) Always seek to be learning something new.

(7) Test all things; always check your ideas against the facts, and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them.

(8) Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you.

(9) Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others.

(10) Question everything.
Gaborn
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(10-31-2011, 06:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by MrHicks

whos pen jilette

He's the Penn in Penn and Teller.
Kalnos
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(10-31-2011, 06:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spokker

Adam Corolla is the best atheist in that he doesn't give a shit about being an atheist. That's the kind of atheist I can roll with.

Penn Jillette is far too militant.

Didn't seem bad at all here.
BruiserBear
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(10-31-2011, 06:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spokker

Adam Corolla is the best atheist in that he doesn't give a shit about being an atheist. That's the kind of atheist I can roll with.

Penn Jillette is far too militant.

I actually have a little disdain for militant atheists and I've never once felt Penn Jillette came off that way. Did a miss a particular incident or something?
Zaptruder
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(10-31-2011, 06:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spokker

Adam Corolla is the best atheist in that he doesn't give a shit about being an atheist. That's the kind of atheist I can roll with.

Penn Jillette is far too militant.

Are you an atheist?
Spokker
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(10-31-2011, 06:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kalnos

Didn't seem bad at all here.

He phoned Trey Parker and Matt Stone and was offended that they weren't atheists. I think it was the Go God Go episodes that did it.

Originally Posted by Zaptruder

Are you an atheist?

Shrug.
Atramental
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(10-31-2011, 06:46 PM)
nvm
ReBurn
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(10-31-2011, 06:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zaptruder

Originally Posted by Spokker

Adam Corolla is the best atheist in that he doesn't give a shit about being an atheist. That's the kind of atheist I can roll with.

Penn Jillette is far too militant.

Are you an atheist?

How about a wizard?
Stumpokapow
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(10-31-2011, 06:47 PM)
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These aren't really for atheists, they're for humanists, and I've never understood why prominent humanists have been so preoccupied by the God question when they're clearly intelligent thinkers and good writers when it comes to the far more important human question.

(this is not directed at Gaborn's title, but rather Penn's self-identification as atheist first and foremost)
MrHicks
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(10-31-2011, 06:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gaborn

He's the Penn in Penn and Teller.

aaaaaaaaaah lol
i watched a few penn and teller shows recently

the one where you try to fool them
totally didn't make the connection
Jasoco
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(10-31-2011, 06:48 PM)
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But most importantly, wear sunscreen.
teruterubozu
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(10-31-2011, 06:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Stumpokapow

These aren't really for atheists, they're for humanists, and I've never understood why prominent humanists have been so preoccupied by the God question when they're clearly intelligent thinkers and good writers when it comes to the far more important human question.

(this is not directed at Gaborn's title, but rather Penn's self-identification as atheist first and foremost)

Was going to post something along the same lines. It's very human-centric/anthropomorphic and not quite atheist.
MrHicks
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(10-31-2011, 06:57 PM)
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most epic commandments imo
LuchaShaq
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(10-31-2011, 06:59 PM)
I'm an atheist and no thanks to 1/2/6. I have no respect for the average person. At this point life is much better/easier when assuming anyone I don't personally know has the mental capacity of a golden retriever/toddler at best.

Also unless we love 80/90% of the population in the next few years I don't see much value in most human life. Not that I would randomly murder someone but I really only feel bad when kids suffer because they never had a chance to change their situation. Some adult idiot kills/maims themselves with fire works, or drunk drives into a concrete barrier? Couldn't care less than they died.
notsol337
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(10-31-2011, 07:00 PM)
As a "filthy atheist" myself, I agree that militant atheists are annoying. Live and let live, brahs.
Cyan
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(10-31-2011, 07:01 PM)
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Is he trying to make them match up with the original Commandments? Because otherwise some of them seem a little odd.
commedieu
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(10-31-2011, 07:03 PM)

Originally Posted by Cyan

Is he trying to make them match up with the original Commandments? Because otherwise some of them seem a little odd.

which ones...
Riposte
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(10-31-2011, 07:03 PM)
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What good is being atheist if you are going try and lay Christian-flavored morality onto each other(or even yourself)?
Enco
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(10-31-2011, 07:06 PM)
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This is more sappy than the Christian version.
Cyan
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(10-31-2011, 07:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by commedieu

which ones...

4, 5 & 10 are good advice, but seem odd to elevate to the level of "Commandments." 2 & 6 kind of overlap, and so do 3 & 9.
distrbnce
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(10-31-2011, 07:07 PM)

Originally Posted by teruterubozu

Was going to post something along the same lines. It's very human-centric/anthropomorphic and not quite atheist.

Er, well what else can atheism be?

And isn't actual humanism something from the united nations?
dsp
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(10-31-2011, 07:09 PM)
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As an atheist I'd like to say that I am really starting to hate atheists. Quit trying to be like theists. It's annoying. Take that fucking evolution bumper sticker off of your car while you're at it.
Dude Abides
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(10-31-2011, 07:09 PM)
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This is dumb. I don't need commandments to know how to behave, especially not from a wanker like Penn Jillette.
Snaku
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(10-31-2011, 07:10 PM)
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10. Don't waste too much time wishing, hoping, and being envious; it'll make you bugnutty.

This came a bit too late for me I think.
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(10-31-2011, 07:12 PM)
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Machine
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(10-31-2011, 07:13 PM)
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Obligatory Mel Brooks 15 commandments joke
effingvic
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(10-31-2011, 07:18 PM)
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i kept reading the thread title as "condiments"
Angry Fork
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(10-31-2011, 07:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dude Abides

This is dumb. I don't need commandments to know how to behave, especially not from a wanker like Penn Jillette.

He was challenged to make them up, he's not professing them as some Atheist doctrine...
Bit-Bit
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(10-31-2011, 07:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by LuchaShaq

I'm an atheist and no thanks to 1/2/6. I have no respect for the average person. At this point life is much better/easier when assuming anyone I don't personally know has the mental capacity of a golden retriever/toddler at best.

Also unless we love 80/90% of the population in the next few years I don't see much value in most human life. Not that I would randomly murder someone but I really only feel bad when kids suffer because they never had a chance to change their situation. Some adult idiot kills/maims themselves with fire works, or drunk drives into a concrete barrier? Couldn't care less than they died.

Yeah...well...that's like your opinion, man.

But seriously, relax man. Learn to love. Life in general is valuable. You don't care for others yet you wouldn't be where you are today if not for the lives of many before you. Civilization is a wonderful thing. If you don't like your fellow humans, then go live in the woods or something. Go chill with some bears and beavers, live off the land and shit.

But if you're going to be apart of this society, then learn to love and help your fellow man. Cause when you get sick, it's gonna be another human that will take care of you. Whether it's a doctor or your love ones, you won't last long without us.
Tideas
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(10-31-2011, 07:23 PM)

Originally Posted by Gaborn

Story Here

what happens when intelligence, creativity, and love conflicts?

What should be held higher?
Kano on the Phone
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(10-31-2011, 07:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spokker

Adam Corolla is the best atheist in that he doesn't give a shit about being an atheist. That's the kind of atheist I can roll with.

Penn Jillette is far too militant.

I don't think you know what militant means.
Bit-Bit
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(10-31-2011, 07:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tideas

what happens when intelligence, creativity, and love conflicts?

What should be held higher?

That's the best part about being human. We get to make those tough decisions.

As a logical person, I sometimes let love make the decisions for me. Mostly because I don't want to be a dick.
Stumpokapow
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(10-31-2011, 07:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tideas

what happens when intelligence, creativity, and love conflicts?

Seems pretty easy to me. Love wins, because it's important to avoid violence and coercion to begin with (2, 5, 6). Both sides to a dispute should be willing to give up things for the other side. It should be more important to solve the problem then to get your way. Once a tone of mutual respect and compromise or consensus has been adopted, you rely on rational evidence to proceed and if a win-lose solution is needed to a problem, intelligence / rational evidence should dictate who wins (2, 7, 8, 9, 10). Within those bounds, creativity should be encouraged flourish as much as possible, and win/win outcomes should be preferable to win/lose outcomes to provide for that.
Dude Abides
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(10-31-2011, 07:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Angry Fork

He was challenged to make them up, he's not professing them as some Atheist doctrine...

He should have said "No thanks, lists of vague commands are for theists."
Zaptruder
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(10-31-2011, 07:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tideas

what happens when intelligence, creativity, and love conflicts?

What should be held higher?

In a fully realized person, the vertical integration of these traits allow them to be one and the same thing.

Conflict avoided.

That is to say, to be intelligent is to respect the virtue of love, or rather an understanding and acceptance, while giving sufficient freedom for us to explore the boundaries of creativity from a safe base that sufficiently tethers our creativity in a manner that is applicable to the real world.
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(10-31-2011, 07:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dude Abides

He should have said "No thanks, lists of vague commands are for theists."

Why, what difference does it make if he makes up a list of ten good ideas for the way you live your life? Does this harm his argument somehow?
Enosh
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(10-31-2011, 07:37 PM)
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why the fuck should I listen to him any more than I should listen to god?
this whole "we need "prophets" too" drive among atheist is making no sense...
Agnostic
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(10-31-2011, 07:37 PM)
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I read his book a few weeks ago. He has some fantastic stories and I want to hang out with him.
Mammoth Jones
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(10-31-2011, 07:39 PM)
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Am I the only person that thinks religion is annoying and atheists talking about religion is annoying?
Ushojax
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(10-31-2011, 07:39 PM)
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Yuck. There's only one rule you always need to follow and that's the Golden Rule. Anything else is a bunch of sentimental crap.
DeathIsTheEnd
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(10-31-2011, 07:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Enosh

why the fuck should I listen to him any more than I should listen to god?
this whole "we need "prophets" too" drive among atheist is making no sense...

God doesn't exist and he does? He can provide reasons for his thoughts and God often doesn't?

Your idea that atheists apparently have some sought of want for prophets is something I've never encountered. All the atheists I've seen with an opinion on this issue think we ourselves are perfectly capable of being reasonable and kind human beings without any help.
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(10-31-2011, 07:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Enosh

why the fuck should I listen to him any more than I should listen to god?
this whole "we need "prophets" too" drive among atheist is making no sense...

He answered a challenge, he isn't saying you should listen to him.

What the fuck are you talking about with the prophets thing? Who has ever said that?
JGS
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(10-31-2011, 08:02 PM)
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Yeah, like an atheist is going to follow anything that unified...

Glenn Beck...was....right?
rdrr gnr
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(10-31-2011, 08:05 PM)

Originally Posted by DeathIsTheEnd

God doesn't exist and he does? He can provide reasons for his thoughts and God often doesn't?

Your idea that atheists apparently have some sought of want for prophets is something I've never encountered. All the atheists I've seen with an opinion on this issue think we ourselves are perfectly capable of being reasonable and kind human beings without any help.

But what about Pope Dawkins?

Praise be to Science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-63cTYJDCA
The Technomancer
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(10-31-2011, 08:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by MuseManMike

But what about Pope Dawkins?

Praise be to Science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-63cTYJDCA

Praise science!

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